That would be the simplest way, but I am not sure that the system currently allows for the suit size to dictate module bonuses. I will ask Wolfman tomorrow.

I don't think we can fix reactives, I just don't see the sense in them.

Rattati, while I appreciate that the best use of what limited resources CCP has given you is to fix small things that have larger impacts, I think that GÇ£fixingGÇ¥ the Amarr scout is not a single process. (IGÇÖm about to make another thread to expand on this, so IGÇÖll cut to the chase)

As one of the few hardcore Amarr loyalists left on the forums, IGÇÖm honor bound to take a moment to harp on what has been noted already, we damn well told CCP months ago that this would happen. There were literally hundreds of posts on dozens of threads about this.

My favorite: Aero had a thread where he basically challenged all comers to build an Amarr scout suit fitting that he couldnGÇÖt make better by using the Gallente scout. Nobody could!

Anyway, my main point: You canGÇÖt (or at least shouldnGÇÖt) fix the Amarr scout just in the context of your analysis that itGÇÖs the least used. ThatGÇÖs not news to anyone, and would not have been surprising if you told us that 3 months ago. We all know it sucks. The slots are OK but the bonus is crap and like a lot of the Amarr suits, the improved base stats donGÇÖt always compensate for the bonuses or slot counts.

So fix the Amarr scout while fixing GÇ£allGÇ¥ scouts. Shooting while cloaked is obviously a bug, IGÇÖll ignore that. So the main problem: Brick tanked scouts. A simple way this could potentially be done is a variation of something already mentioned.



I actually propose the opposite. While I think making this a feature of, say, the Amarr Commando (or even assault) would actually be a brilliant idea, I donGÇÖt think itGÇÖs right for any scout, even the Amarr. It would only make the issue of brick tanked scouts worse.

Instead, give all scout suits a penalty to armor modules. Instead of HP, IGÇÖd suggest a larger movement penalty.

It makes sense from a physics standpoint: If you put 130 pts of armor on a sentinel frame, itGÇÖs gonna shrug it off, but have you seen the Gallente stripper scout suit? It should be heavily weighed down by that much plating. (Another alternative would be to simply make it so that scouts canGÇÖt fit standard plates at all, only reactive/ferroscale but that opens up a whole other discussion. ..)

You could play with the numbers, but just to spitball, letGÇÖs say the movement penalty for armor plates is 50% higher when placed on a scout suit. Now, a complex plate gives you a 7.5% movement penalty. You could also make a stacking penalty on top of it to discourage straight up max tanking.

How does this fix the Amarr scout? Everyone sort of agreed that it was supposed to be the light assault suit, but the Gallente is just better at it. So, to bring it in line with the other scouts and give it itGÇÖs intended role, you make the aforementioned penalties to armor either not apply to the Amarr scout, or perhaps a better way would be to make it a second bonus, such that at level 5 the penalties are pretty much gone.

Now, the other scouts go back to being GÇ£lightGÇ¥ suits, Caldari as ewar, Gallente as stealth hunters, and Minmatar as speedy hackers/flankers. The Amarr becomes the light assault, a hybrid suit that is faster than the assault but not as durable and lacks the DPS bonus.

Thanks for that. I actually didn't read all feedback from months ago, so all the told you so's in the world can't help me now. We didn't react to that feedback and that's that. We will try to do better. And agree, we can't "fix" Amarr scouts, let's fix scouts in general first.

Now, does it boil down to something simple like this?

Armor plate scouts - higher speed penalty on normal plates. Ferroscale should be the go to plate option (given that we improve them a bit) or just rep modules. I don't think we can fix reactives, I just don't see the sense in them.
Shield tanked scouts - extender stacking increases scan profile - again, encourage use of rechargers and energizers over stacking.

Let me know if I am way off base

I don't think we can fix reactives, I just don't see the sense in them.

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TL;DR: The other scouts give the equivalent of at least 2 modules one of which is complex, while the Amarr Scout give less than one

Ignoring the issue of de-cloaking animation, or whatever is causing the shooting while invisible bug, and armor stackign (both of which have already been mentioned and discussed at great length). I think one of the issues surrounding scouts is in the bonus equivalency to modules. Assuming Racial Scout suit to V they get

Caldari Scout 25% Scan Radius 25% Scan Precision
The equivalent of fitting 1 Basic Range Amplifier and the effectiveness of beyond 1 complex precision enhancer, and to my knowledge, no stacking penalties on dropsuit bonuses

Gallente Scout 25% Scan Radius -25% Signature Radius
Again, the equivalent of 1 Basic Range Amplifier but this time the same effectiveness of a Complex Profile Dampener.

Minmatar Scout 25% Hacking Speed and 25% Nova Knife Damage
The equivalent of 1 Complex Codebreaker, in addition to a base higher base hack speed (if I remember the SDE correctly) and 5 Non-Stacking penalized Complex Sidearm Damage mods (but only for nova knives..an actually reasonable trade in my opinion)

Amarr Scout Suit 25% Stamina and 25 % Stamina Regeneration
This bonus does not even give the same Stamina Regeneration as a basic Cardiac Regulator (although it does give the same Stamina Bonus).

In my opinions, Amarr Scout Suit Bonuses need to be increased to at least 20% per level (to give a 100% bonus to both at level V or a single complex Cardiac Regulator...personally I'd like to see it be 25% per level) in addition to another bonus of some kind (either Hacking Speed or Nova Knife damage to have all scout suits share a bonus with at least 1 other scout suit, in addition to their role bonus...or just a completely new one such as the ferroscale plate bonus mentioned earlier in the thread)...if the bonus isn't changed completely

As much as I like the Minmatar Scout's Nova Knife damage...I think it would be more generally useful to diversify the bonus and tone it down a ton...or keep it as the silent assassin...

Two things give bonus to Sniper Rifle.
New idea make the amarr scout scan like a vehicle with a ring of circles coming out of it like a stone dropped in water to x amount of feet. A boosted Passive scan that makes them glow gold like a glorious angelic being. Long Live the Empress!