Reducing the Scan Profile on Uplinks deployed by an Amarr Scout would be an amazing ability.

A buff to its ability to armor tank (Possibly alongside a nerf to all other Scout's ability to armor tank.)

If you:

Increase amarr scouts uplink capability - you marginalize the amarr logi, a suit with one use

Increase the armor tanking capabilities - you marginalize the all assault suits

Solutin: Give it a better bonus. A bonus like "+10% biotic module efficacy per level" might make it more attractive.

I give this post the Alldin Kan seal of approval.

I give this post the Alldin Kan seal of approval.

[Paraphrased] Current dropsuit top speeds at around 11 m/s represent the absolute maximum we can support on the current engine. Anything faster breaks hit detection.

The Amarr should have a less speed penalty while equipping armor.Like the more armor the faster they get,that or they should not have their speed affected by armor at all.

Sniper rifle is Caldari, doesn't really make sense. Passive scan precision is already taken by Caldari. The scan ring thing gave me an idea though; what if it emanated a ring like you describe, but the ring was to buff nearby friendlies, and to debuff enemies? would make a great squad asset. The buffs to friendlies could be a decrease in signature profile, and fire rate increase, and the opposite for eneimes.

All amarr suits should have zero movement penalty from armor honestly

Rattati, while I appreciate that the best use of what limited resources CCP has given you is to fix small things that have larger impacts, I think that GÇ£fixingGÇ¥ the Amarr scout is not a single process. (IGÇÖm about to make another thread to expand on this, so IGÇÖll cut to the chase)

As one of the few hardcore Amarr loyalists left on the forums, IGÇÖm honor bound to take a moment to harp on what has been noted already, we damn well told CCP months ago that this would happen. There were literally hundreds of posts on dozens of threads about this.

My favorite: Aero had a thread where he basically challenged all comers to build an Amarr scout suit fitting that he couldnGÇÖt make better by using the Gallente scout. Nobody could!

Anyway, my main point: You canGÇÖt (or at least shouldnGÇÖt) fix the Amarr scout just in the context of your analysis that itGÇÖs the least used. ThatGÇÖs not news to anyone, and would not have been surprising if you told us that 3 months ago. We all know it sucks. The slots are OK but the bonus is crap and like a lot of the Amarr suits, the improved base stats donGÇÖt always compensate for the bonuses or slot counts.

So fix the Amarr scout while fixing GÇ£allGÇ¥ scouts. Shooting while cloaked is obviously a bug, IGÇÖll ignore that. So the main problem: Brick tanked scouts. A simple way this could potentially be done is a variation of something already mentioned.



I actually propose the opposite. While I think making this a feature of, say, the Amarr Commando (or even assault) would actually be a brilliant idea, I donGÇÖt think itGÇÖs right for any scout, even the Amarr. It would only make the issue of brick tanked scouts worse.

Instead, give all scout suits a penalty to armor modules. Instead of HP, IGÇÖd suggest a larger movement penalty.

It makes sense from a physics standpoint: If you put 130 pts of armor on a sentinel frame, itGÇÖs gonna shrug it off, but have you seen the Gallente stripper scout suit? It should be heavily weighed down by that much plating. (Another alternative would be to simply make it so that scouts canGÇÖt fit standard plates at all, only reactive/ferroscale but that opens up a whole other discussion. ..)

You could play with the numbers, but just to spitball, letGÇÖs say the movement penalty for armor plates is 50% higher when placed on a scout suit. Now, a complex plate gives you a 7.5% movement penalty. You could also make a stacking penalty on top of it to discourage straight up max tanking.

How does this fix the Amarr scout? Everyone sort of agreed that it was supposed to be the light assault suit, but the Gallente is just better at it. So, to bring it in line with the other scouts and give it itGÇÖs intended role, you make the aforementioned penalties to armor either not apply to the Amarr scout, or perhaps a better way would be to make it a second bonus, such that at level 5 the penalties are pretty much gone.

Now, the other scouts go back to being GÇ£lightGÇ¥ suits, Caldari as ewar, Gallente as stealth hunters, and Minmatar as speedy hackers/flankers. The Amarr becomes the light assault, a hybrid suit that is faster than the assault but not as durable and lacks the DPS bonus.

Rattati, while I appreciate that the best use of what limited resources CCP has given you is to fix small things that have larger impacts, I think that GÇ£fixingGÇ¥ the Amarr scout is not a single process. (IGÇÖm about to make another thread to expand on this, so IGÇÖll cut to the chase)

As one of the few hardcore Amarr loyalists left on the forums, IGÇÖm honor bound to take a moment to harp on what has been noted already, we damn well told CCP months ago that this would happen. There were literally hundreds of posts on dozens of threads about this.

My favorite: Aero had a thread where he basically challenged all comers to build an Amarr scout suit fitting that he couldnGÇÖt make better by using the Gallente scout. Nobody could!

Anyway, my main point: You canGÇÖt (or at least shouldnGÇÖt) fix the Amarr scout just in the context of your analysis that itGÇÖs the least used. ThatGÇÖs not news to anyone, and would not have been surprising if you told us that 3 months ago. We all know it sucks. The slots are OK but the bonus is crap and like a lot of the Amarr suits, the improved base stats donGÇÖt always compensate for the bonuses or slot counts.

So fix the Amarr scout while fixing GÇ£allGÇ¥ scouts. Shooting while cloaked is obviously a bug, IGÇÖll ignore that. So the main problem: Brick tanked scouts. A simple way this could potentially be done is a variation of something already mentioned.



I actually propose the opposite. While I think making this a feature of, say, the Amarr Commando (or even assault) would actually be a brilliant idea, I donGÇÖt think itGÇÖs right for any scout, even the Amarr. It would only make the issue of brick tanked scouts worse.

Instead, give all scout suits a penalty to armor modules. Instead of HP, IGÇÖd suggest a larger movement penalty.

It makes sense from a physics standpoint: If you put 130 pts of armor on a sentinel frame, itGÇÖs gonna shrug it off, but have you seen the Gallente stripper scout suit? It should be heavily weighed down by that much plating. (Another alternative would be to simply make it so that scouts canGÇÖt fit standard plates at all, only reactive/ferroscale but that opens up a whole other discussion. ..)

You could play with the numbers, but just to spitball, letGÇÖs say the movement penalty for armor plates is 50% higher when placed on a scout suit. Now, a complex plate gives you a 7.5% movement penalty. You could also make a stacking penalty on top of it to discourage straight up max tanking.

How does this fix the Amarr scout? Everyone sort of agreed that it was supposed to be the light assault suit, but the Gallente is just better at it. So, to bring it in line with the other scouts and give it itGÇÖs intended role, you make the aforementioned penalties to armor either not apply to the Amarr scout, or perhaps a better way would be to make it a second bonus, such that at level 5 the penalties are pretty much gone.

Now, the other scouts go back to being GÇ£lightGÇ¥ suits, Caldari as ewar, Gallente as stealth hunters, and Minmatar as speedy hackers/flankers. The Amarr becomes the light assault, a hybrid suit that is faster than the assault but not as durable and lacks the DPS bonus.

Armor plate scouts - higher speed penalty on normal plates.

Now, does it boil down to something simple like this?

Armor plate scouts - higher speed penalty on normal plates. Ferroscale should be the go to plate option (given that we improve them a bit) or just rep modules. I don't think we can fix reactives, I just don't see the sense in them.
Shield tanked scouts - extender stacking increases scan profile - again, encourage use of rechargers and energizers over stacking.

Let me know if I am way off base

That would be the simplest way, but I am not sure that the system currently allows for the suit size to dictate module bonuses. I will ask Wolfman tomorrow.

Thanks for that. I actually didn't read all feedback from months ago, so all the told you so's in the world can't help me now. We didn't react to that feedback and that's that. We will try to do better. And agree, we can't "fix" Amarr scouts, let's fix scouts in general first.

Now, does it boil down to something simple like this?

Armor plate scouts - higher speed penalty on normal plates. Ferroscale should be the go to plate option (given that we improve them a bit) or just rep modules. I don't think we can fix reactives, I just don't see the sense in them.
Shield tanked scouts - extender stacking increases scan profile - again, encourage use of rechargers and energizers over stacking.

Let me know if I am way off base

I don't think we can fix reactives, I just don't see the sense in them.

Reactive plates are actually really good. The only problem is that the enhanced is garbage, not enough bonus to use over the basic, the complex it too much better. Same problem as the enhanced shield extender. If the enhanced was 2hp/s and the complex was 3 it woukd make the whole line more attractive.

That would be the simplest way, but I am not sure that the system currently allows for the suit size to dictate module bonuses. I will ask Wolfman tomorrow.

I believe before 1.8 Amarr logis got a bonus to repair modules. This is an example of the suit you wear affecting the modules attached to it. So I would be surprised if this can't be done. Though you never know about the internal workings of these things.

That would be the simplest way, but I am not sure that the system currently allows for the suit size to dictate module bonuses. I will ask Wolfman tomorrow.