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RedPencil wrote:

Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:

TL;DR: The other scouts give the equivalent of at least 2 modules one of which is complex, while the Amarr Scout give less than one

Ignoring the issue of de-cloaking animation, or whatever is causing the shooting while invisible bug, and armor stackign (both of which have already been mentioned and discussed at great length). I think one of the issues surrounding scouts is in the bonus equivalency to modules. Assuming Racial Scout suit to V they get

Caldari Scout 25% Scan Radius 25% Scan Precision
The equivalent of fitting 1 Basic Range Amplifier and the effectiveness of beyond 1 complex precision enhancer, and to my knowledge, no stacking penalties on dropsuit bonuses

Gallente Scout 25% Scan Radius -25% Signature Radius
Again, the equivalent of 1 Basic Range Amplifier but this time the same effectiveness of a Complex Profile Dampener.

Minmatar Scout 25% Hacking Speed and 25% Nova Knife Damage
The equivalent of 1 Complex Codebreaker, in addition to a base higher base hack speed (if I remember the SDE correctly) and 5 Non-Stacking penalized Complex Sidearm Damage mods (but only for nova knives..an actually reasonable trade in my opinion)

Amarr Scout Suit 25% Stamina and 25 % Stamina Regeneration
This bonus does not even give the same Stamina Regeneration as a basic Cardiac Regulator (although it does give the same Stamina Bonus).

In my opinions, Amarr Scout Suit Bonuses need to be increased to at least 20% per level (to give a 100% bonus to both at level V or a single complex Cardiac Regulator...personally I'd like to see it be 25% per level) in addition to another bonus of some kind (either Hacking Speed or Nova Knife damage to have all scout suits share a bonus with at least 1 other scout suit, in addition to their role bonus...or just a completely new one such as the ferroscale plate bonus mentioned earlier in the thread)...if the bonus isn't changed completely

As much as I like the Minmatar Scout's Nova Knife damage...I think it would be more generally useful to diversify the bonus and tone it down a ton...or keep it as the silent assassin...

Could we change the bonus to

Caldari Scout 25% Scan Precision and 25% (their faction sidearm) Damage

Gallente Scout -25% Signature Radius and 25% (their faction sidearm) Damage

Minmatar Scout 25% Hacking Speed 25% Nova Knife Damage

Amarr Scout Suit 25% Scan Radius and 25% (their faction sidearm) Damage

So now every scout have an equal 1 complex module.
I wish we have all 4 faction knife, so all scout will have bonus to their faction knife Cry


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Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3927	Posted - 2014.05.20 23:27:00 - [1] - Quote RedPencil wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: TL;DR: The other scouts give the equivalent of at least 2 modules one of which is complex, while the Amarr Scout give less than one Ignoring the issue of de-cloaking animation, or whatever is causing the shooting while invisible bug, and armor stackign (both of which have already been mentioned and discussed at great length). I think one of the issues surrounding scouts is in the bonus equivalency to modules. Assuming Racial Scout suit to V they get Caldari Scout 25% Scan Radius 25% Scan Precision The equivalent of fitting 1 Basic Range Amplifier and the effectiveness of beyond 1 complex precision enhancer, and to my knowledge, no stacking penalties on dropsuit bonuses Gallente Scout 25% Scan Radius -25% Signature Radius Again, the equivalent of 1 Basic Range Amplifier but this time the same effectiveness of a Complex Profile Dampener. Minmatar Scout 25% Hacking Speed and 25% Nova Knife Damage The equivalent of 1 Complex Codebreaker, in addition to a base higher base hack speed (if I remember the SDE correctly) and 5 Non-Stacking penalized Complex Sidearm Damage mods (but only for nova knives..an actually reasonable trade in my opinion) Amarr Scout Suit 25% Stamina and 25 % Stamina Regeneration This bonus does not even give the same Stamina Regeneration as a basic Cardiac Regulator (although it does give the same Stamina Bonus). In my opinions, Amarr Scout Suit Bonuses need to be increased to at least 20% per level (to give a 100% bonus to both at level V or a single complex Cardiac Regulator...personally I'd like to see it be 25% per level) in addition to another bonus of some kind (either Hacking Speed or Nova Knife damage to have all scout suits share a bonus with at least 1 other scout suit, in addition to their role bonus...or just a completely new one such as the ferroscale plate bonus mentioned earlier in the thread)...if the bonus isn't changed completely As much as I like the Minmatar Scout's Nova Knife damage...I think it would be more generally useful to diversify the bonus and tone it down a ton...or keep it as the silent assassin... Could we change the bonus to Caldari Scout 25% Scan Precision and 25% (their faction sidearm) Damage Gallente Scout -25% Signature Radius and 25% (their faction sidearm) Damage Minmatar Scout 25% Hacking Speed 25% Nova Knife Damage Amarr Scout Suit 25% Scan Radius and 25% (their faction sidearm) Damage So now every scout have an equal 1 complex module. I wish we have all 4 faction knife, so all scout will have bonus to their faction knife Even if every faction had a knife, the fastest suit gets the most mileage out of being able to close the distance to use it. Dren&Templar Tragedy.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3928	Posted - 2014.05.21 21:57:00 - [2] - Quote On the subject of balancing all scouts, I like the idea of larger penalties to tanking modules on the scout. It makes logical sense, sort of like compact car not being able to tow massive amounts of cargo or an 18-wheeler not being massively encumbered by transporting a compact car. Similarly, if shields extenders had a signature increasing quality (similar to EVE) that was magnified on scouts, it could discourage their use on the suits by removing a large portion of the stealth benefit that scouts enjoy. A scout that dual-tanks with regular plates would effectively wind-up slower than an assault and be just as visible on radar. For the Amarr scout in particular. There's a fair amount of I-told-you-so in this particular issue since I know was hardly alone in harping about the bonus, and I personally ranted about the speed vs. tank issue as well (the Amarr scout is slower than a Minnie Assault). I still think the core of the issue is the Amarr not being allotted an actual scout role to a large degree. People have proven scouts can thrive as assault players, and there's a combination of factors at play here. I don't think you can discount the fact the slot/fitting balance wasn't finished on medium frames either (which was hurting them in comparison) as well as the various issues related to suits not getting their bonuses on spawn. I'd still just like the Amarr Scout to be faster - more scout-like. This is even more-so true if an adjustment is going to take place that reduces the tanking ability of scouts. There's a number of ways to reach that former goal, and I'm not sure about locking them all to module (kincat, etc.) performance. There would still be a latent issue in that case where Gallente, Caldari, and Minmatar all get bonuses without slotting any modules while the Amarr only get bonuses when using them (Nova Knives aside). It's unclear to me if people would have issues with an Amarr bonus to sprint/move speed that was just a straight bonus, if your "bonus" for leveling up was being faster than X Scout... but only if you're rank 5. Dren&Templar Tragedy.