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Roy Ventus
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:49:00 -
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Whatever. You're just clumping the CPM together because you're pissed at CCP.
I wouldn't have been pissed at the CPM for stepping down the same way I'm not pissed at them for staying. Stop with the bullshit and act reasonable instead of like an idiot with a keyboard. Even in the end, the community is still ****...
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:10:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:At the very least, if nothing else, resigning would have shown the community that you had some integrity. its debatable. Integredity is doing the right thing when nobody is looking. In analogy the cpm is holding on the rope between the community and a bottomless pit and I can never forgive myself if I let go of that rope of my own voilation. As ex military I have seen far too many folks ways of life ending because the lack of integredity; sometimes a job, sometimes a limb, somtimes a life all because they or somone else did not do that one extra step; not standing that post; and not seeing something through to completion. Skipping steps; quitting post, and abandoning supervision is simply not my style. "Integrity is doing the right thing when nobody is looking." (corrected spelling) When we didn't know about the MASSIVE change in direction that Legion is going to be, and you did, we "weren't looking" at what you were doing. When CCP knowingly encouraged players to help fund the vision we had previously been told about WHILE KNOWING IT WAS NO LONGER PART OF THE PLAN, we "weren't looking" for you to step forward with your information. We, the people you were supposed to be representing, NEEDED YOU TO "DO THE RIGHT THING" AND TELL US WE WERE BEING DECEIVED. You did NOTHING. By your own definition, you DID NOT act with integrity in this case. Clear, unambiguous statement: "If you don't either cancel/reverse the sale or go public with Legion IMMEDIATELY, I'm breaking NDA" Follow through if change doesn't happen. CPM failed us. It's that simple.
So. You would break legal contract over that? I'm sorry but that's not legit. People aren't dying. The government isn't issuing some conspiracy. There's no schools burning. They had other ways to try to get them to listen. They could've just resigned like someone else said. If it was as simple as the NDA that they gave us back in closed beta, then sure, but I'm more than sure there's some actual heavy penalties here.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:12:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mojo XXXIII wrote:At the very least, if nothing else, resigning would have shown the community that you had some integrity. its debatable. Integredity is doing the right thing when nobody is looking. In analogy the cpm is holding on the rope between the community and a bottomless pit and I can never forgive myself if I let go of that rope of my own voilation. As ex military I have seen far too many folks ways of life ending because the lack of integredity; sometimes a job, sometimes a limb, somtimes a life all because they or somone else did not do that one extra step; not standing that post; and not seeing something through to completion. Skipping steps; quitting post, and abandoning supervision is simply not my style. "Integrity is doing the right thing when nobody is looking." (corrected spelling) When we didn't know about the MASSIVE change in direction that Legion is going to be, and you did, we "weren't looking" at what you were doing. When CCP knowingly encouraged players to help fund the vision we had previously been told about WHILE KNOWING IT WAS NO LONGER PART OF THE PLAN, we "weren't looking" for you to step forward with your information. We, the people you were supposed to be representing, NEEDED YOU TO "DO THE RIGHT THING" AND TELL US WE WERE BEING DECEIVED. You did NOTHING. By your own definition, you DID NOT act with integrity in this case. Clear, unambiguous statement: "If you don't either cancel/reverse the sale or go public with Legion IMMEDIATELY, I'm breaking NDA" Follow through if change doesn't happen. CPM failed us. It's that simple. So. You would break legal contract over that? I'm sorry but that's not legit. People aren't dying. The government isn't issuing some conspiracy. There's no schools burning. They had other ways to try to get them to listen. They could've just resigned like someone else said. If it was as simple as the NDA that they gave us back in closed beta, then sure, but I'm more than sure there's some actual heavy penalties here. Are you dumb? Breaking NDA isn't the end of the world - it's a player to gaming company agreement. He's not going to federal prison, he'll be removed from a ******* game for standing up to a piece of **** company.
It's a ******* contract between them. It most likely has legal **** to it. Stop being dumb. A simple ban from the game means jack **** and isn't enough to hold people from saying or showing anything, evidence being all of the bans at the closed beta. A lot of the CPM care, but there's some of them that probably wouldn't give a damn about a lifetime ban.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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Roy Ventus
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2014.05.05 00:15:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:So. You would break legal contract over that? I'm sorry but that's not legit. People aren't dying. The government isn't issuing some conspiracy. There's no schools burning. They had other ways to try to get them to listen. They could've just resigned like someone else said. If it was as simple as the NDA that they gave us back in closed beta, then sure, but I'm more than sure there's some actual heavy penalties here. I'd break NDA over someone directly and willfully ripping people off when I'm meant to be representing those people, yes. And I'd have solid legal grounds to argue against any penalties they tried to enforce too. The recent Aurum sales were using false advertising because they were still promoting the game as having new content coming to PS3, and they were still maintaining the promises made at E3 for DUST to be coming to PS4 through lies of omission. They told us what was going to happen, went back on their plans and started work on something different, and actively avoided telling us so they could gouge people for more money. The fact that Sony have been refunding people for purchases made in those sales supports this argument as well. That fact makes any enforcement of the NDA on those intentional lies of omission illegal. You can't enforce a contract which requires a person to break other laws to satisfy its conditions. The contract is null and void at that point, unless it includes a clause that maintains the contract EXCEPT THE PART WHICH WOULD BE ILLEGAL. So even if they included such a clause, the NDA would only apply to things which aren't required in order to reveal that CCP were trying to gouge us for money. So yes, I would have absolutely no reservations in "breaking" a no-longer-legally-binding contract. None at all.
Would you be able to actually argue that in court? I'm actually in belief of what you say but I HIGHLY doubt that a team of lawyers wouldn't be able to get them out of it and put the blame on you.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
http://royventus.tumblr.com
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