How? I've seen several people make this claim but not a single argument to support it.

Simple. Removing suit options greatly reduces variety.

The power dynamic that comes with choosing your suit, choosing the modules to fit it with, how much the final product costs, how the cost impacts your wallet, how the costs of different loadouts affect the economy of the game (when it is finally introduced)...these things are what separate DUST 514 from just another lobby shooter. I would very much like to keeo it that way.

Like I said, just my opinion.

But you see, it also comes with the rebalancing of MLT, Basic frames and specialized suits.
The mechanic will still be there, just transformed.

I suppose, but then I think the skill tree would have to be revamped to create larger bonuses for players that have invested tens of millions of SP into passively improving their suits.

My version of tiercide involves the removal of STD/ADV suits (Weapons and modules stay as is), making Basic suits cost a lot less while making specialized suits cost a lot more.

You will still have progression with core skills, weapons, modules and suit bonuses.
The only thing that is removed is the power gap that suits create, which IMO is too much.

Open question for anyone who opposes a deeply unlevel playing field: why do you think it's bad?

Edit: Had to add this quote from Kovinis Sparagas in another thread:

"If you just download this game from store not knowing anything about it - you will delete it in10 minutes.
Because this isn't your ordinary Call of Battlefield. New Eden will welcome him, and then kick directly in his nuts and spit on him with proto-stomping and HAV, and when after 10 deaths will show the bill, because you have to pay money (ISK) every time you die.

And then he will be lying defenceless on the ground with his own fluids from his pants all around him, from fear - when the game will ask him:
- Want to be like them? Then you have to work your way up son, because no one is helping you here. Your on your own kid.

After this conversation 90% of them will delete this game as fast as they can.
Other 10% are real men.


In other words - only we can advertise this game to our friends, and help them to become real men, like we are."

As I understand it (I googled it when I started hearing it thrown around a lot), it means the elimination of tiers (basic/enhance/complex, STD/ADV/PRO).

No thank you.

Imho, tiericide may improve the game experience in the short term, but it will damage it in the long term. If CCP can get its act together and introduce a new, revamped NPE, PvE, and a player market...the game will be very strongly positively impacted in both the short and long term.

It's a bit more involved than that. Based on how it worked in EVE, here's roughly how I see it working in DUST.
It should be noted that I personally only advocate for Dropsuit tiericide.

Instead of having basic frames and specialized frames each split up into a tiers you have "Rookie" Dropsuits, Faction Dropsuits, Tech I Dropsuits, and Tech II Dropsuits.

Rookie
Free newbie suits with racial or role specific bonuses
Has stats and layout of current Militia basic frames

Faction
Bought with LP
Gets racial bonus
Has stats and layout of current Standard basic frames

Tech I
Cheap basic Medium, Light, and Heavy suits
Gets racial bonuses, but no role bonuses
Stats and layout of current Advanced basic frames

Tech II
Specialized role suits (Assault, Logi, Scout, Pilot, Sentinel, Commando, whatever else they come up with in the future)
Gets racial bonuses as well as role bonuses
More expensive than Tech I, but not so much as to be prohibitive to newer players
Gets stats and layout of current Prototype specialized frames

That's the basic idea, anyway. I'm sure everything would get a balancing pass in the process as well like they did with the EVE ships.
This would actually make future additions easier as they wouldn't have to design and balance several different tiers for every new suit they decide to make, so in the long run it promotes more variety and customization.

Actually, Factional < T1

Factional Gear can often surpass T2 too.

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If you believe Tiercide will remove the 'unfair/New Eden' element of Dust, I assume you must think EVE is just a montage of people cuddling pink fluffy bunnies, flying past each other in their spaceships tipping their hat and saying 'have a wonderful day!' to everyone on their way to a duall bouncy castle/teddy bear exhibit.

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I dunno, I've been fighting in nullsec since 2005. I'm thinking i grok it.

Were you against tiercide in EVE too?

Cause Ironically, with the ability to actually outnumber your opponents, having Tiers in EVE wouldn't cause half the amount it does in the 'tournament' set up that is DUST.

That's why you play and compete , this should not be easy and cater to those who just do not want to work for what is needed to succeed .

These people are trying to kill this game like they dummied down the vehicles .

Wonder how that's working with a large percentage of post about vehicles and how they are ruining the game .

Tiercide would ruin the ground game. The vehicle game was pretty good besides the unbalance and now there is only a handful of fits, tiercide would really make the ground game dull, not improve it.

You sound like one of those economist who spoke during the 80's about tying the world's economy into one world economy ," No let's not let people decide for themselves when we can do it for them , we know better than they do anyway ... what " they " want ."

Wonder how that's going now for those who had jobs and now don't because the company that they worked for took the plant that provided for their town or city and placed it somewhere else so they can turn a larger profit and flood the economy with crappy , cheep goods for less pay and more labor .

That's how Dust will be with tiericide .

In b4 someone asks for respec.

You should actually get informed about NAFTA and how it affected not just the US economy but affected the economies south of our border detrimentally. People wonder where illegal immigrants come from, the answer was NAFTA. Free trade and an unregulated economy isn't good either, there has to be some regulation, or you end up like the Caldari.

What you say is true re match structure.

It's your solution i disagree with: My preferred playing field is strongly imbalanced, although it seems that smart, tough new players can handle things just as they are and some even say DUST isn't hard at all.

Your solution is tilted more towards fairness.

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I believe that what is driving new players away from the game is shabby core mechanics, especially the core FPS mechanics. Here's the thing: DUST is very much like Demon's Souls/Dark Souls in that it is brutally tough and is guaranteed to beat most new players into a bloody pulp. This is ok, it's a viable way to design a game, but there is a BIG necessary condition that comes with a game like this.

If a game designer wants to succeed with a brutally difficult game, especially a game that centers on skillful user-based input, then it is absolutely imperative that the designer provide flawless controls to the player. There is no way around this, and no other game content will compensate for poor/unreliable controls, ever.

Imo, this is the primary reason DUST is failing - it's a brutally hard FPS with poor controls.

If you believe Tiercide will remove the 'unfair/New Eden' element of Dust, I assume you must think EVE is just a montage of people cuddling pink fluffy bunnies, flying past each other in their spaceships tipping their hat and saying 'have a wonderful day!' to everyone on their way to a duall bouncy castle/teddy bear exhibit.

Open question for anyone who opposes tiericide: What exactly do you think tiericide is?

**** Tiericide, just give us a suit at levels 2 and 4 and more slots. The difficulty gap is partialy because of the sp needed between levels 3 and 5, but my core skills matter more really, got nearly 20mil sp just in upgrades.

On a side note ... tiericide can not help the new player experience and I just get tired of players using fear and propaganda to drive the direction of the game , they do it with the process of nerfs and buffs and now they just want to flat out ruin the game .

NPE suffers because of the poor set up that currently is in the Academy and the lack of a true matchmaking system .

It's not the prototype gear , it's the lack of knowledge and experience that those who begin to play have and the fact that this game changes direction more than someone driving in a downtown of a major city for the first time .

Teach newer players what's important in the game , how to invest their SP's wisely , strategy and how to create a functional load out . Figure out a better and true matchmaking system .

There are so many real reasons of and in why this game suffer and incorporation of tiericide has nothing to do with helping the new player experience , it only truly helps those who play in EVE and don't like the flexibility that Dust has and the fact that it's part of the EVE universe , I.E. : the discussion of SP refunds even show that because most who are the most vocal play EVE and that's the first thing that they always bring up in their rebuttal .

I really believe that a lot of players who play in EVE and Dust , resent the fact that Dust is not totally like EVE and there's a greater reign of flexibility in Dust .

The game's should be similar but not the same .

Dust should have some traits but not be EVE in a since .

Two totally different games .

Similar but not the same , thank GOD .

You want EVE then go and play it and stop trying to make Dust , EVE .

What will probably be revealed at fanfest:
-Graphics update like always
-Plans for more EVE connections (most likely how they will "fix" PC)
-Redesign of the way we play the game (better map design, revamped game modes, redefining the vehicle dimension)
-Another "great" idea of theirs for changing the NPE that won't actually do much at all.

What I want them to reveal at fanfest:
-New game modes and/or PVE alpha gameplay
-NPE being their MAIN priority and focus
-To tell us that they're going to shift their focus away from content
-A heavy weapon

What they won't reveal at fanfest:
-How they're scrapping everything so far and are going to do tiercide
-Dust on PS4, PC, or Xbone
-Tons of new content