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Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 753	Posted - 2014.04.15 22:56:00 - [1] - Quote Hate this. With max skills and equal number of enhancers / damps for the Caldari and Gallente scout respectively, the Gallente scout will always hide from a Caldari scout. It should be the other way around, with the cloak throwing the balance to the Gallente's favor to hide. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 757	Posted - 2014.04.15 23:21:00 - [2] - Quote Aszazel wrote: If you take the base suits of each, the Gal gets under the Cal, it's been advertised this way before the suits even came out. Why should a specific number of enhancers or dampeners change this? Every person in this post that has b!tched has done so because they want to be able to see ALL suits if they equip all precisions. I don't see any of them stating that they would be ok with the fact that if they ran 4 precisions and gal ran 4 dampeners and they couldn't see them it would be fair. It's not about the number of modules, its about the fact that you can't see them. If you can't see them at base, you shouldn't be able to see them at max if they are both at max. QQ'ers, Gal can't run more than 2 precisions and doing so, can't see other scouts with 1 complex dampeners + cloak. Stop whining that your suit isn't OP enough. You've completely missed the point. The Caldari suit is designed to see. The Gallente suit is designed to not be seen. One of them will have to trump the other. It turns out the the Gallente suit beats out the Caldari suit. If skills are equal, the Caldari fits an enhancer and can see the Gallente (unless the Gallente is cloaked). If the Gallente fits a damp, it's invisible again. The cloak tips the balance extremely to the Gallente, so the above pattern should be changed. The way is should be is that with max skills (using this as a baseline, not because I don't understand if you take the base suits of each, the Gal gets under the Cal), the Gallente should have to fit a damp to hide from the Caldari. If the Caldari fits an enhancer, he should see the Gallente. If the Gallente cloaks, with max skills and equal number of damps/enhancers, the Gallente should be hidden from the Caldari. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 758	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:13:00 - [3] - Quote Aszazel wrote: Get off your soapbox, the cloak counts as a dampener, its that way for al suits, its doesn't have a 100% up time and every other scout suit (+ some logis and commandos) gets to wear one. They are by no means cheap to equip even if you have suit level 5. The "problem" you keep coming too is that you have to add more precision mods to counter my dampeners + cloak and you top out before me. You want to be able to see every suit, there is NOTHING wrong with EWAR, there SHOULD be a hard counter to CAL. But fine, take away cloak bonus for all, cause its not fair that I can only hold two precision enhancers and still can't see a cloaked scout. See I can QQ about the state of the EWAR too. See, this is a totally subjective thing. Watch this. You want to be able to hide from every suit, there is NOTHING wrong with EWAR, there SHOULD be a hard counter to GAL. I can QQ about subjective BS without a well thought out argument, too. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 759	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:29:00 - [4] - Quote Actually, I looked over numbers again in protofits. For some reason I thought enhancers and dampeners gave the same bonus. I thought without mods, the Gallente would be hidden and the Caldari scout would need to fit one mod (1 enhancer) to see the Gallente. The Gallente would need to fit one mod (1 dampener) to hide again, and the Caldari would need to fit one more (2 enhancers). I thought it would continue like that 1 for 1. I was wrong. Assume max skills for all the examples below. A Caldari scout with four complex precision enhancers CANNOT see a Gallente scout with two complex profile dampeners. The Caldari scout has a scan precision of 14.91. The Gallente scout has a scan profile of 13.87. The lower number wins. That's bullshit. Actually, if the Gallente scout has just one complex profile dampener, the Caldari scout needs three complex precision enhancers to see him. That's even more bullshit. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 760	Posted - 2014.04.16 01:02:00 - [5] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: gallente cannot see a caldari if the caldari is wearing 2 comp damps and the gal is wearing two comp precisions This specific argument has no basis in this discussion. The Gal scout's role isn't to see, it's to not be seen. Aszazel wrote: Are you kidding? A Gal can't see a Cal with two comp precisions even if the cal only has ONE dampener + cloak, the CAL is the only suit that gets this bonus and its awesome. That's why I keep arguing with everyone, your suit is awesome, stop complaining that its not awesome. Are you dense? It's not my suit. I'm not arguing this because I run a CalScout. I'm arguing it because it's bullshit. This specific argument has no basis in this discussion. The Gal scout's role isn't to see, it's to not be seen. Also, you're wrong and act like active scanners don't exist anymore. With a single complex dampener and cloak the CalScout cannot hide from a Duvolle Focused. With two complex dampeners and a cloak the CalScout can only hide from a Duvolle Focused while cloaked. I don't ***** about it though because every other scout can do that, and their role isn't to hide. At this point you're arguing to argue. A fix is needed and would be as simple as switching the CalScout base profile and precision, or any other number of methods. Deal with it. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 763	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:43:00 - [6] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: By default suits have lower dampening values than precision, meaning they are hidden by default. I'm not sure if you're just talking about scouts here or all suits. But just in case. Base stats - By default, Sentinels can see other Sentinels, Commandos can see other Commandos, and Logistics can see other Logistics. Assaults have equal profile and precision and I'm not sure what wins out if the values are equal. Do Assaults see other Assaults, or are they hidden from other Assaults? The ONLY suit is hidden from the same suit by default is the Scout suit, and that's only been since 1.8. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.

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