Sorry, I think you may have failed to notice my point. Which is really no point at all because what I am trying to say is 100% unprovable and hence a non-point really. I actually sound just like tankers, saying "get gud" because I am terribly afraid that loosing my crutch will make me horrible at dust again.

Why would I care to reply to your post with an answer when you can't actually read mine?

You could always just level up eyesight.

Once you get it to level 3 you can start skilling situational awareness too.

Your chart over-simplifies combat dynamics.
Your position presumes that cloak being difficult to detect by MedFrames is a bad thing. Which it isn't.

If you want to harp on something being OP -- which is actually OP -- then why aren't we talking about tanks?

Fixed your post for you.

Have fun talking to yourself douchebag.

/ignore

What are shared passive scans?
Oh wait, you're probably one of those people who run solo all the time all while complaining about one thing or another.

Go get your eyesight leveled up, you'll need it for when you have no one covering your back

This is a ridiculous statement made by some people. Let me show you why:

Hover zoom or clicky

The above bar graph shows how precision enhancers are mostly underpowered because of the added dampening of the cloak.

Oh and for all of you guys saying fit precision enhancers on medium/heavy suits(logi for the graph):

Hover zoom or clicky

Stop saying that, it is not a good idea.

TLDR:
First link shows how scouts precision lines up with dampening. Cloaks make dampening too strong
Second link shows why precision enhancers on mediums or above is stupid.

EDIT: Here is the point of it all. If you look at that graph, there is no bonus to cloaks. All of the sudden, Ewar is balanced once again between the scouts (although balance between scouts and other suits in the ewar department is still wonky)

Not every scout uses dampeners. Another scout who loads precision enhancers can see most other scouts, except of course for those countering with dampeners. Just because there is a fitting that counters precision doesn't mean that fitting each number of mods is UP. It just means you have to be a step or two ahead of them, and if they choose to dampen as well then you're out of luck. You shouldn't see cloaked scouts easily, thought I do think the bonus from cloaks is too much.

it also looks like a logi with 2 precision mods can see a cloaked non-gallente scout with no dampeners. Does this really need to be easier? Sacrificing one module to counter 75% of scouts is way too easy, so they require 2 to counter them. The scout can choose to beat this counter by sacrificing 1 module for a dampener. If people are still complaining about how hard it is to spot a dampened/cloaked scout then they clearly picked the wrong suit.

It's actually funny how no one seemed to care about passive scans and didn't pick their suits accordingly. Now there are threads all over the place "my medium suit can't see scouts = scouts are OP". It's like if a scout said "I can't take on a heavy in a gunfight = heavies are OP".

Nothing should be unscannable.

well the alternative is to have something that can scan everything
and nothing should be able to scan everything

A gal scout with 2 damps and a cloak is seriously gimped on slots, and spare CPU.

If the Gal scout has 2 damps, 2 precisions, and a Range amp, then he has 1 slot for actual tank/speed.

Just carry a Fused locus, Mass driver, or Plasma Cannon, or :o SLEEK LOCUSES!?

Also if you have Eyesight Operation level 1, you can SEE the invisible scout.
I ran heavy yesterday, minmatar nonetheless(even max tanked, takes 2 shotty rounds to kill me) and i can kill 95% of the scouts that think they can kill me.

Kinda the point of the Gal Scout. You know, hides from everything.

Come one guys, we went over this.

CCP has already established an ewar system where by everything else being equal 1 suit + 1 damp beats 1 suit + 1 enhancer. I mean it is quite balanced without the free complex damp on the cloak:

suit (base damp) > suit (base enhancement)
suit (base damp) < suit+ enhancer
suit + damp > suit + enhancer
Suit + damp < suit + 2 enhancers
suit + 2damps > suit + 2 enhancers

That is balanced. Now it is

suit (base damp) > suit (base enhancement)
suit + cloak > suit + enhancer
suit + cloak +damp > suit + 3 enhancers

Since the cloak already has it's own POWERFUL function, adding on this extra ewar just serves to unbalance ewar.

So I guess this means that you 100% agree with what I have said.I mean what you have written is so entirely vague, and doesn't conflict with what I have said so I assume you mean to agree.

I'm fine with that going away. it wasn't needed tbh. it just makes it to where any scout can hide as good as a Gal scout.

Also, a lot of EWAR **** needs to come in. I would like to see jamming, as well as tackling come in. And a second suit for it to be bonused for.

Cloaks make dampening too strong
Second link shows why precision enhancers on mediums or above is stupid.

Come one guys, we went over this.

CCP has already established an ewar system where by everything else being equal 1 suit + 1 damp beats 1 suit + 1 enhancer. I mean it is quite balanced without the free complex damp on the cloak:

suit (base damp) > suit (base enhancement)
suit (base damp) < suit+ enhancer
suit + damp > suit + enhancer
Suit + damp < suit + 2 enhancers
suit + 2damps > suit + 2 enhancers

That is balanced. Now it is

suit (base damp) > suit (base enhancement)
suit + cloak > suit + enhancer
suit + cloak +damp > suit + 3 enhancers

Since the cloak already has it's own POWERFUL function, adding on this extra ewar just serves to unbalance ewar.

Factor in the Active scanner, which does effectively counter most of the cloak bonus and it comes closer to balanced in it's current incarnation. The fact that one piece of equipment can be used to counter the cloak without the need for precision enhancers (which is actually what should be used on the Medium and Commandos, rather than the "add precision enhancers" argument you point out in the OP) works to counter the cloak.
Should all tiers of cloak add a Complex DampenerGǪ probably not changing the bonus by tier would help.

Personally I thought that they would introduce the cloak as a visual EWAR, and add an Active Dampener to counter the Active scanner, but that was a long time ago that I had that thought, when scanners were ubiquitous.
I still think an Active Dampener would create a more interesting EWAR interplay, and hope that CCP separates the Cloak from the Damp bonus to create a Signal Scrambler piece of equipment.

Precision mods are for scouts; instead, use your eye-holes and keep track of your teammates.

If a blue dot mysteriously vanishes from the radar, look out.

I am purely concerned with the electronic scanning/concealment interplay in this thread, and how the cloak has completely screwed it up.

This is a ridiculous statement made by some people. Let me show you why:

Hover zoom or clicky

The above bar graph shows how precision enhancers are mostly underpowered because of the added dampening of the cloak.

Oh and for all of you guys saying fit precision enhancers on medium/heavy suits(logi for the graph):

Hover zoom or clicky

Stop saying that, it is not a good idea.

TLDR:
First link shows how scouts precision lines up with dampening. Cloaks make dampening too strong
Second link shows why precision enhancers on mediums or above is stupid.

EDIT: Here is the point of it all. If you look at that graph, there is no bonus to cloaks. All of the sudden, Ewar is balanced once again between the scouts (although balance between scouts and other suits in the ewar department is still wonky)

What kind of horsesh-t argument is this?

If a suit has a cloak + 2 dampners it is invisible to a suit that sacrifices 4 modules. That is not balanced. There is no interplay between ewar there, just damp >>>>>>>>>>> scanning.

We weren't even talking about the invisibilty of cloaks here, we were PURELY talking about ewar interplay.

Cloaks should not have a free dampener attached to them. This completely upsets a PREVIOUSLY BALANCED SYSTEM. I mean it would be like throwing a free non-stacking-penalized precision enhancer on top of a active scanner, oh and make the scanner last for between 30-90 seconds. Not only would it make absolutely no sense, but it would seriously damage ewar balance.

Take your eyes argument somewhere else where some idiot might actually lend credence to it (you know, like people soloing tanks with militia AV consistently and stuff.)

I agree with you here in one sense, however completely removing the dampening bonus from cloaks will leave many a suit vulnerable to caldari scouts given their precision bonus and copious high slots. I would be ok with this if we didn't have shared squad vision, which essentially gives that bonus to everyone in squad....

Take for instance the Cal scout with 3 PEs + inherent bonus v.s. a Min scout with 3 damps.... Cal (and their squad) wins. Same for all except the Gal with their damp bonus if they are stacking 3 damps. Medium and Heavy frames wouldn't stand a chance.

I like the tiered dampening bonus to cloak idea that I think I read earlier back.

Initially I didn't like the fact that cloaks added a free dampening function, when engaged, but given how powerful the Caldari precision is and the shared squad sight I really think CCP needs to think hard about altering it too drastically.

Otherwise, once that Cal scout is in the city and immobile, with their 70m scan radius covering 2 objectives.... game over for the most part, unless you bring in the an entire squad of uber dampened Gallente scouts.... which I'm sure would get decimated pretty fast if the rest of the players on the Cal squad had any situational awareness - as unlike the gallente infiltration horde, they wouldn't be sacrificing any slots for EWAR since they would be piggybacking on the one Caldari scout.