Tis' true. Right now the gallente scout is slightly OP due to the fact it can just about evade anything and everything. But running in a group is a fact of life now I suppose.

This is a ridiculous statement made by some people. Let me show you why:

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The above bar graph shows how precision enhancers are mostly underpowered because of the added dampening of the cloak.

Oh and for all of you guys saying fit precision enhancers on medium/heavy suits(logi for the graph):

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Stop saying that, it is not a good idea.

TLDR:
First link shows how scouts precision lines up with dampening. Cloaks make dampening to strong
Second link shows why precision enhancers on mediums or above is stupid.

either run 2 complex precision mods or run a cal scout, a cal scout is meant to detect gal scouts since Cal and Gal kinda fight each other. (EVE wise)

gal and gal = one scans like crazy but one hides amazing = balanced
minmatar and amarr = one sprints like an athlete and one can run forever at a slow pace = balanced

sure the gal scout is unscannable but a cal scout can scan the gal out out hiding.

Nothing should be unscannable. A strongly dampening fitted scout should be scannable by a strongly scanning fitted gallente logi (as 1.8 wanted to settle classes).

But the problem isn't there. The problem is that you need to use two PRO precision modules (hoping you have the slots) to counter a single STD cloaked scout. If the cloak scout is a Gallente scout, the passive bonus must be compensate by a third precision enhancer.
So if I summarize :
- first side : a Gallente scout with a STD cloak
---------> low meta level, low cost
- second side : at least three precision enhancer (if you put 2 PRO modules) on a suit with enough slots (depending on races and suits but you may need to go to AVC or PRO)
---------> pretty high meta level and cost
Do you see the imbalance ?

the counter 1.8 suggest is to use Gallente logi. Again, to scan a STD dampened cloak scout, you'll need 3 AVC or PRO active scanner to be able to always "scan" around. Anyway, I don't think the actual active scanners design allows Gallente logi to efficiently have the ability to counter scouts (slow scanners vs fast scoutsGǪ). That last statement is made from my small experience in scan Gallente logi, comment are welcome as always.


The solution I presented is to reduce cloak dampening according to meta level, along with buffing precision enhancers to reach same level as dampeners. Well fitted scouts will still have the advantage on common people (with little to none precision enhancer) while well fitted scan suits will be able to detect low or non dampened scouts.

I know this is not exactly on topic but
You make a fine chart/graph
Would it be a bother for you to put together an Active Scanner vs Dampening chart?

Kind of on topic portion of post.
The Dampeners vs Precision looks fairly reasonable until you factor in the Active Dampener bonus from the cloak. Scanner could be viewed as the Cloak counter. Though it does not depend on the Precision of the user so much as the cloak depends on the Profile of the userGǪ this is why I am curious about the effectiveness of the Active Scanner vs Cloak. They seem to be direct counters to each other, and I think your graphing would help display any benefits or shortcomings of the numbers. Knowing as well that it would not take into account some factor like the scan field.

You could always just level up eyesight.

Once you get it to level 3 you can start skilling situational awareness too.

Umm, no, a damped scout should be un scan able, balance

Wow putting all of that data in one chart is not entirely easy, and I could make the colors better, but I think this is readable.

EDIT: Wow I didn't really look at it, you can get a fat suit underneath a non gal logi focused scanner.... that's either hilarious or sad, or both.

Thank you very much for doing that.
I find it very readable.
Your numbers reflect having Damp at lv 5 correct? (just for reference sake)
And yeah the Heavy being able to get under Focused is surprising actually. They do have to give up a lot to do it though I doubt it is worthwhileGǪ but still

Going to put some thought into what I am seeing here before commenting much, but it is an eye opener.

Thanks again.

If you look above, you can see that balance would be perfectly obtained without the bonus the cloaks give. 1 dampner scout will always beat out a 1 precision enhancer scout. 1 dampner gal scout will always beat out a 1 precision enhancer cal scout.

Witht he cloak bonus though any hope for ewar balance is thrown out of the window.

And so what, a double damoed scout should be un scannable

Did you even look at the graphs... be honest now.

Yes, but im saying a scout should be fully invisible to scans.

Nothing should be unscannable. A strongly dampening fitted scout should be scannable by a strongly scanning fitted gallente logi (as 1.8 wanted to settle classes).

Tis' true. Right now the gallente scout is slightly OP due to the fact it can just about evade anything and everything. But running in a group is a fact of life now I suppose.

Don't forget that a Cal scout " SHOULD " be able to see that scout and not the counter of that scout being from the same race , how is that balanced ???

A Cal scout that is enhanced and has ranger's or just enhanced " SHOULD " be a counter of that scout should be able to see that scout depending on the role bonus plus the personal bonus from the skill tree and the applied mods .

I shouldn't have to skill into Gal Logi , while being Caldari .. to see a highly dampened Gal scout .

A few people who had done some incredible work on that topic , pointed out that flaw .. and CCP " SHOULD " fix that .

I run precision mods on a CalScout.
Not much gets by.

Would I mind if Precision Enhancers got buffed or cloak dampening bonus were downgraded?
Nah. I wouldn't mind at all.

PS: GalScout and CalScout are very well balanced against one another. They keep each other in check. F*cking around with things should be done delicately if at all, else the scale will be tipped one way or another. Promise.

Isn't it supposed to be that way?

I get gunned down all the time by you damn gangs!

Another guy who didn't look at the charts. Cal scout's ewar is perfectly balanced against gal scout, when you take away the free non-stacking-penalty complex damping module on the cloak.

Why do my post attract all of the idiots? Seriously why? I mean do you just look at a well written argument with facts and figures, then decide;

"Durr.. I guess the only thing left for me to do is pull down my pants and sh-t in the thread... dur...."

Seriously, please be an idiot somewhere else.

Why would I look at your chart when I can look at your Amarr Head?

PS: My CalScout super vision is shared with my squad. Does that play a part in your chart?