So what makes it load in after a while, and why does it have to load in in the first place? Did it have to do this pre 1.8 as well and it just did it quicker and more efficiently or is it something new for 1.8?

It's actually really not. China makes your precious iPhones, and everyone seems to think they're the most quality thing since machine-sliced bread.

But they probably spent millions on R&D as well as copious hours of internal bug testing/screening, no?

Or maybe CCP thought they'd save money by keeping a bunch of children in a warehouse doing nothing but manually entering in stats with applied skills

Until a blue tag comes here to disprove your theory this is the currently accepted hypothesis!

Reverse Psychology and threats do not work on CCP. Otherwise I'd be mailing letters to Iceland and Shanghai from false addresses with confectioners sugar in them.

In the end our best bet is posting emotionally calm and focused ideas repeatedly. Eventually it will sink in. Sustained ranting only works for getting things nerfed or giving CCP pause over a critical decision.



Drama, oh how I am entertained by thee. Threads with discussions like this one are good to.

It's actually really not. China makes your precious iPhones, and everyone seems to think they're the most quality thing since machine-sliced bread.

Actually Shanghai is part of China so it is.

Odds are everyone's posts in this thread are from electronic devices made in China. Singling out Apple makes you look petty Awry.

I don't think you completely understood his point bud

There is a high chance he supports Ted Cruz

lol

It's actually really not. China makes your precious iPhones, and everyone seems to think they're the most quality thing since machine-sliced bread.

Of course, silly. Non-Cruz supporters can't read or write.

Back to the OP, my fear is the problem is hard coded into the client and can't be hotfixed. CCP really should do a better job communicating on this though beyond "we're working on a fix." They get very loud when there is good news, but they suck at communicating when it involves bad news.

Forge gun charge time reduction bonus not applying, meaning you'll end up shooting blanks.

It's actually really not. China makes your precious iPhones, and everyone seems to think they're the most quality thing since machine-sliced bread.

I don't own an I anything because I think Apple sucks, however, that is besides the point. They are manufactured in China, not designed there.

The capacity to develop a hypothesis based on a priori amazes me, you have outdone yourself

I know zilch about coding but I expect someone to be able to do something they are trained in. A lot of the problems are clearly simple mistakes, the bonuses not applying upon spawn for example.

Nonetheless, my point is that being created or designed in China does not make something inherently bad, and it's incredibly offensive to me that you think that's the case. The problem is money, since this is a F2P game. Underfunded software development anywhere in the world is going to produce a poorly-coded product. If anything, being made in China is helping the game by allowing CCP to hire more developers on their very limited Dust budget.

My theory is that it got screwed up somewhere along the way when CCP incorporated racial suit skill bonuses into the efficacy of the 1.8 logi equipment. So instead of reapplying just the racial skills with regard to equipment whenever you change suits, it now reapplies all core skills, accompanied by an annoying delay in which no core skills are applied.

The real question is how CCP didn't notice this in their testing of 1.8; you'd figure the glaring lack of full armor/shields just as you spawn/change suits would be a dead giveaway.

That causes us to spawn in without or bonuses and skills applying?
Can someone explain this to me? Because frankly this is quite a game breaking bug/glitch, at least for me.

When you spawn in a Min Scout only to take 3 or 4 seconds longer to hack a point and you die with 1 one bar left on the hack

When you spawn in an Amarr Assault and have your ScR pop on you after ONE charge volley

When you spawn in on an EWAR fit Cal Scout and a TANK SNEAKS UP ON YOU

When you spawn in with a Forge Gun to kill a pesky tank and watch as they nonchalantly roll away while you shoot blanks at them

When you spawn in with a Combat fit Commando only to realize that you don't hit harder or Reload faster despite being a squishy fat suit with 2 light weapons

When you spawn in with a Regen tanked Cal Sentinel only to get out DPSed for not having all your Shields load in

When you spawn in a fancy Gunslinger suit to find out, not only do you have less ROF, but you're missing 1/3 of your clip size

So, CCP, hotfix? Explanation?
Please feel free to enlighten me as to why this issue exists or give more examples of how this glitch can royally **** you over

o7

From a code perspective there are things we will refer to as "Procedures". All of your character data to include skills and passives are stored in a database of some sort. We'll call it the "database". The Database is in the backend and is independent of the application server. The application server is the server we connect to in order to play Dust. When we load into a match a lot of Procedures" are executed...ALOT. These procedures connect to the Database and pull all sorts of things. This would include Installations, spawn points, some graphics, a checksum (something that checks that everything is correct), and character builds/fits and passives.

So they made a change to the process of checking passives. They made a change on some level in these "Procedures" (that contain complex functions, custom functions, math, code, etc.) that has created a loading delay that wasn't there before. The best way to imagine it is that 32 players have different configurations of different things and different passives. The server processes all of this and then has to propagate it to all of the clients (PS3) or just yours. Whatever the change they made was has created delay.

Changes that can be made (based on my personal experience) would be things such as:

-Code "optimizations". Sometimes Optimizations are actually not really optimized because they weren't tested in production. You'll find that you can have a really strong theory but then in production there were elements that weren't calculated

-Version Changes. Let's say that Unreal Engine released a patch to the dev software. That patch may have updated in a way that uses more resources for loop logic which is really common. Loop logic is something like this (note: I'm not using real code for many reasons)

1) X = character that hasn't had passives processed
2) Check Character "X"
3) Check Passive skills
4) Apply passive skills and propagate to clients
5) Go back to step 1

In programming, patches often can take a very good code and make it bad code because of new features.

-Operating System changes and updates. Sometimes a simple BSD or Unix or MS update for security holes can jack up a whole lot of backend stuff.

I hope that sheds a little light. BTW this isn't theory, this is personal experience and I have a lot of it on the backend sides of things. I maybe wrong but whatever it is would be in line with what I posted.

Although there are other things I hope this gives you an idea of where things can be an issue.

EDIT: You can apply this logic to a lot of the bugs we are seeing. To include misfires of forge guns, etc.

You are correct. When you spawn in with less displayed armor/shield, NONE of your skill bonuses are applying. IF you are an Amarr logi, and you see your shield/armor lower, then your uplinks do not spawn with the logi bonuses.

*snip* I cannot see how a QA tester didn't see this. *snip*

>implying there are QA testers

If they give us a test server I will gladly slave away hours on end trying to screen for bugs and perform rigorous testing

If they give us a test server I will gladly slave away hours on end trying to screen for bugs and perform rigorous testing