There's a FotM every patch that "ruins" the game. It's just how CCP's balance philosophy works.

They have no idea how to do things in baby steps. People whine about tanks being nerfed, they make them OP. People whine about Scouts being nerfed, they make them OP. They make these sweeping changes without really taking the warning signs from the players.

All signs pointed to Scouts, Heavies, and Tanks being the only relevant things prior to 1.8. Lo and behold, here we are and there's not an Assault or Logi suit in sight save for the masochists who still cling to some sense of false hope. I gave up on that long ago.

"When game is going full r-tard, you can only go with it.
If you start going against it, if you start going half r-tard, you-¦re f-cking done for."
-n0tail 2014

Tanks are nerfed.

They're pretty balanced at the moment; I think a small nerf to armour repairers and a large nerf to damage mods would sort us out
EDIT: also blasters are fucken ridiculous.

I've been using an MLT one on a soma and ripping up everything.

Tanks are nerfed.

They're pretty balanced at the moment; I think a small nerf to armour repairers and a large nerf to damage mods would sort us out
EDIT: also blasters are fucken ridiculous.

I've been using an MLT one on a soma and ripping up everything.

Thanks to tanks and cloaked scouts, it blows to play Dust now. It's a shame because this game felt really good around build 1.6. and remained tolerable until 1.8. Seriously, how is anyone that's not a scout or tanker enjoying the game in its current state? I just don't see how it's possible, especially for support logis. I went from being a force multiplier who regularly got my squad 3,000+ WP from reps, uplinks, and other support actions to becoming lunch meat for 70K ISK tanks and invisible scouts with shottys. I'm legitimately sad, bros; I love Dust but I hate going into matches now.

Tanks are nerfed.

They're pretty balanced at the moment; I think a small nerf to armour repairers and a large nerf to damage mods would sort us out
EDIT: also blasters are fucken ridiculous.

I've been using an MLT one on a soma and ripping up everything.

I would say that 1.8 has brought about the greatest change and diversity in DUST and it will continue to do so.

Thinking that the game is being broken by CCP by making changes is too simple of a viewpoint. If you make a adjustments things will change, and we all know that DUST is far from static. CCP could easily leave everything set on stone from day 1, but they listen to our feedback (and that's everyone's on either side of an argument) then make alterations that they feel will help drive the game towards their overall vision.

Try no to be narrow minded and looking at DUST as another game with DLC packs to give you another mode, maps or weapons to keep things fresh. DUST will grow ad change and as Mercs it's our job to learn how the battlefield is changing and adapt. Never saw jihad jeeps as an option to kill HAV's and then *poof* they show up because of a need. It's like the changing face of contemporary warfare.

I don't want DUST to be a game that requires things like COD Ghosts Predator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLYUdzpGYX4

OR Titanfall Optimus Prime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX2qCpRxilM

That would be the day we jump the shark IMO

Tanks were nerfed at the same time all infantry were nerfed.

Infantry lost 50% to damage modifiers

Infantry lost 50% to proficiency

Infantry lost 33% AV grenade capacity

Tankers lost ~30% to hardners.

Relatively, tanks weren't really nerfed, and non-hardner tanks (like 3 repper tanks) were actually boosted.

...War changes...

Seems that everything is viable except assaults and logis to a degree
Seems obvious what needs to be done
#mediumbuff

Tanks were nerfed at the same time all infantry were nerfed.

Infantry lost 50% to damage modifiers

Infantry lost 50% to proficiency

Infantry lost 33% AV grenade capacity

Tankers lost ~30% to hardners.

Relatively, tanks weren't really nerfed, and non-hardner tanks (like 3 repper tanks) were actually boosted.

Not a proportionate nerf. That's 15% damage from my forge, which does not conpensate for the lost EHP. Especially since now everything breaks my regeneration.

Definitely passive tanks got a buff, which makes them actually useful now.

But the tank nerf was more significant, generally speaking, than the AV nerf was.

There's a FotM every patch that "ruins" the game. It's just how CCP's balance philosophy works.

Everything AV should have always broke your regeneration. That was an obvious f-up (it was put in so that infantry weapons wouldn't break your regeneration, not AV).

I actually did make some charts and graphs about it, but I feel like that would be overkill. Lets just say that the differences aren't that major in any way shape of form. Sure, tanks were definitely nerfed versus tank weaponry, but hte nerf versus our current AV wasn't nearly as bad, especially if you are an armor tanker.

For example:
Dual hardned madruger vs triple dmg mod lvl 5 proficiency swarms
Pre 1.8 427 dmg
Post 1.8 482 damage.

Of course the nerf is harsher the more hardners you would have normally fit, meaning a 3 hardner gunnlogi/madruger got nerfed way harder than a 1 hardner boat did. Oddly enough, this also means that max hardner sica/somas didn't get nerfed as hard as max hardner gunnlogis/madrugars.

Also upon further review, shield hardners were nerfed WAY hard than armor hardners. It is actually pretty insane the difference in the nerfs.

For instance:

Damage let through armor/(shield)
3 hardner pre 1.8
30%/(12.5%)

3 hardner post 1.8
50.3%/(30.2%)

This means that the armor hardner setup is letting though 1.66 times more damage while the shield hardner setup is letting through 2.4 times more damage.

Wow, man if you guys ever want a more detailed anaylysis of how shield tankers got screwed compared to armor tankers, let me know.

Not even close. I take on 50% more damage, and all of those damnable swarms break my hardened regen, not just the really dedicated and invested ones.

Your damage nerf is almost cute next to my EHP nerf. You have no reason to complain. AV vs tanks is perfectly balanced. It's just that tank vs tank got f***ed up the ass while making it perfect.

Thanks to tanks and cloaked scouts, it blows to play Dust now. It's a shame because this game felt really good around build 1.6. and remained tolerable until 1.8. Seriously, how is anyone that's not a scout or tanker enjoying the game in its current state? I just don't see how it's possible, especially for support logis. I went from being a force multiplier who regularly got my squad 3,000+ WP from reps, uplinks, and other support actions to becoming lunch meat for 70K ISK tanks and invisible scouts with shottys. I'm legitimately sad, bros; I love Dust but I hate going into matches now.

Actually in regeneration tanking traditionally regen never stops..... its constantly on going. Which is what makes the Drake such a powerful passive shield tanker.