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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:22:00 -
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Cross posting this here.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153939&find=unread
You may not like me. I may have burned down you home in Molden Heath, but that doesn't mean we can't take a step back and look at some simple ways to make Planetary Conquest better. Please take a look at the linked thread and discuss the proposals and make some suggestions. Just note this is geared towards low bandwidth (developer time and resources) suggestions that can primarily be done in a hot fix. Thank you again for your thoughts and your time.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
996
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:34:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Cross posting this here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153939&find=unreadYou may not like me. I may have burned down you home in Molden Heath, but that doesn't mean we can't take a step back and look at some simple ways to make Planetary Conquest better. Please take a look at the linked thread and discuss the proposals and make some suggestions. Just note this is geared towards low bandwidth (developer time and resources) suggestions that can primarily be done in a hot fix. Thank you again for your thoughts and your time.
htf are you still a CPM?
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3181
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:39:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Cross posting this here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153939&find=unreadYou may not like me. I may have burned down you home in Molden Heath, but that doesn't mean we can't take a step back and look at some simple ways to make Planetary Conquest better. Please take a look at the linked thread and discuss the proposals and make some suggestions. Just note this is geared towards low bandwidth (developer time and resources) suggestions that can primarily be done in a hot fix. Thank you again for your thoughts and your time. htf are you still a CPM?
What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. It seems there are some players that have trouble making that distinction still.
As Kain Spero the player I will crush your corporation until there is nothing left.
As David the CPM I will do everything in my power to make sure this game works as well as it can for the health of the community and the longevity of the game.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1467
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:40:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things.
And yet you are the same person. I don't see this as a justification.
You're telling me that Kain Spero the war monger has no help from David the CPM? Tell me how this is possible
The Sinwarden
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3185
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:41:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. And yet you are the same person. I don't see this as a justification.
I understand that some players will always remain too ignorant to understand it.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1855
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:45:00 -
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The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game?
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:58:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. And yet you are the same person. I don't see this as a justification. I understand that some players will always remain too ignorant to understand it.
Ignorant? On the contrary my friend.
Please explain to me how you can possibly keep your professionalism under the NDA rule and yet perform as an active player in the game, explain to me how this is not an issue and/or an unfair advantage.
Please, I am not insulting or attacking you I'm just pointing out my opinion, do not insult my intelligence by calling me ignorant.
The Sinwarden
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1856
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:00:00 -
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So, you suggest Spero should have to do tireless effort on your behalf to make the game better, and also not play it himself?
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:04:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win.
I have no problem with that.
But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player?
Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM.
I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other.
The Sinwarden
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1326
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:11:00 -
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It is a unique predicament. Unlike any other FPS in the history of console gaming.. this ducking game changes drastically every few months. Major changes, because it is in a perpetual beta. Can't say that doesn't throw a monkey wrench into the machine when you make the correlation between CPM/Player, there is the possibility of a conflict of interest, correct?
When I used to play battlefield, it was fun when the Dev's came in and played a few rounds with us.. some were beasts, others really sucked... but there was absolutely no way they had any advantage over the rest of the players. If there was such a thing as CPM in that game, and lets say a nerf to a weapon was on the horizon, it didn't mean ****. Why? Because the nerf affected everyone equally, nobody had to invest anything to unlock that weapon, nobody had to spend skill points, or purchase 1,000 copies that then became useless. Dust 514 is completely different.
Assuming big changes are on the horizon for PC, and knowledge is power, can you really blame anyone for raising an eyebrow at this juncture?
I gave up caring about PC (again).. just figured I would share the opinion of an outsider looking in the dunkin donuts window. lulz.
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3192
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:13:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win. I have no problem with that. But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player? Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM. I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other.
Using my position as CPM for an in-game advantage goes against the core principles of the CPM, and if you feel that is the case submit a ticket to CCP and Internal Affairs can have a look at it.
Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter or run faster or make the troops sent into battle perform any better. My goal as a player is to win but not at the cost of my real life integrity. I'm bound to the CPM as a real person not a character in a game, which is what Kain is.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:13:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Assuming big changes are on the horizon for PC, and knowledge is power, can you really blame anyone for raising an eyebrow at this juncture?
Couldn't have said it better myself my friend.
The Sinwarden
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1326
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:19:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:
Using my position as CPM for an in-game advantage goes against the core principles of the CPM, and if you feel that is the case submit a ticket to CCP and Internal Affairs can have a look at it.
Quoted for truth.
And while I am guilty of participating in the derailment of this thread, and this conspiracy theory is kinda fun to toss around, Kane is still a human, another gamer, and I hope people can avoid trying to toss this idea around on the public forums. Submit a ticket about it already, post some evidence, or leave it be. For decency sake.
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3193
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:20:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Assuming big changes are on the horizon for PC, and knowledge is power, can you really blame anyone for raising an eyebrow at this juncture? Couldn't have said it better myself my friend.
I can understand the concern. In all honestly most of the PC and Balance changes that are stuff like in this proposal should be openly discussed . I often push CCP to release information such as stat changes, PC changes, etc. as quickly as possible and actually engage the community. In all honestly almost none of the balancing in either Planetary Conquest or in match needs to be hidden in a black box of development. Big long term stuff makes sense for what is under NDA but not all the minutia of balance that in my opinion doesn't get revealed to the community until far too long in the process.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:21:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter or run faster or make the troops sent into battle perform any better.
I never said that, I never said that being CPM suddenly gives you gungame. But being CPM does give you access to information, valuable information. Now please answer me this, and hopefully as CPM you will answer this question that was put forward by an avid member of the community as truthfully as a member of CPM should;
Can you say that you have never divulged any sort of information, not available to anyone besides CCP and the members of CPM, to anyone in any way, shape or form, be that hints, clues, drunken blurts, whispers or anything of the sort?
Information is power Kain, you know that, I know you do. The information is in David the CPM's head, you're telling me is unavailable to Dust Player Kain Spero?
Dust is a long term game, all the battles are fought on the horizon and only a small amount of urgency is placed into every singular PC battle. I believe that your access to information allows you to be 2 steps ahead of the community and regardless of how much you try to convince us that CPM David and Kain Spero are separate and have no conflict of interest, I still find that hard to believe.
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:25:00 -
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I too apologize for derailing the thread.
Read the linked post, those are good ideas +1
I'll make sure to bump that thread for visibility as well.
The Sinwarden
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3193
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:26:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter or run faster or make the troops sent into battle perform any better. Can you say that you have never divulged any sort of information, not available to anyone besides CCP and the members of CPM, to anyone in any way, shape or form, be that hints, clues, drunken blurts, whispers or anything of the sort?
I sign my real life name on the NDA. That is my real life word and bond and you would have to kill me in real life before I broke that bond. That is not something I mess around with.
I would hope that anyone that is a CPM or considers being on CPM1 would feel the same way.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:28:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter or run faster or make the troops sent into battle perform any better. Can you say that you have never divulged any sort of information, not available to anyone besides CCP and the members of CPM, to anyone in any way, shape or form, be that hints, clues, drunken blurts, whispers or anything of the sort? I sign my real life name on the NDA. That is my real life word and bond and you would have to kill me in real life before I broke that bond. That is not something I mess around with. I would hope that anyone that is a CPM or considers being on CPM1 would feel the same way.
Alright then, I'm glad I have your public word on this matter. I look forward to the upcoming good fights and hope CCP implements your ideas for hot-fixing PC o7
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1857
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:28:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius: Using NDA info to determine game choices is strictly against the rules. For instance, if he knows something is getting buffed, and stocks up on that in order to take advantage of the player market, or something, he'd be violating his CPM arrangement. He's not allowed to act in advance of it being public knowledge.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers
969
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:35:00 -
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If Kain was exploiting some kinda code for being CPM he'd be a good player. He has many flaws like any other average joe. It just so happens he is in a corp with killers and not wasting his time elsewhere. If he had some kinda CPM advantage he would be going 100-0 every match. |
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1469
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:38:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius: Using NDA info to determine game choices is strictly against the rules. For instance, if he knows something is getting buffed, and stocks up on that in order to take advantage of the player market, or something, he'd be violating his CPM arrangement. He's not allowed to act in advance of it being public knowledge.
What I am suggesting is less that of using information in a blatantly obvious way as you described. But rather I see it as being able to stay one step ahead of the paradigm shift, which Dust is frankly all about. I have yet to hear someone explain to me how it is a person who has access to information, in a general sense, will not have his/her actions affected by the possession of said information? Do you see the distinction?
I am not suggesting Kain is violating NDA by blatantly taking advantage of his acquired information, rather the existence of said information and knowledge in his person has in itself affected his choices and course of actions, and it is something that is unavailable to every other player in the game.
I have yet to see someone explain to me how the information present in David the CPMs mind is inaccessible to Kain Spero the player, or rather; has no effect on choices Kain Spero makes as a member of the community who competes at the highest level in this game.
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1469
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:40:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:If Kain was exploiting some kinda code for being CPM he'd be a good player. He has many flaws like any other average joe. It just so happens he is in a corp with killers and not wasting his time elsewhere. If he had some kinda CPM advantage he would be going 100-0 every match.
This is a naive comprehension of my point and not what I'm talking about at all. But yes I will agree he is surrounded by some top notch players such as yourself, that is definitely a factor.
The Sinwarden
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers
969
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:48:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:If Kain was exploiting some kinda code for being CPM he'd be a good player. He has many flaws like any other average joe. It just so happens he is in a corp with killers and not wasting his time elsewhere. If he had some kinda CPM advantage he would be going 100-0 every match. This is a naive comprehension of my point and not what I'm talking about at all. But yes I will agree he is surrounded by some top notch players such as yourself, that is definitely a factor.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1857
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:50:00 -
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So, what you're saying is, you have no concrete evidence of any kind to suggest he's doing anything wrong, but since you aren't a CPM, you're going to try to define what essentially means "all CPM are inherently cheating" then instead?
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2967
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:17:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win. I have no problem with that. But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player? Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM. I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other.
Around my nan I am an angel.
Anywhere else I am me, an horrible **** who will fk you up and abuse my martial arts to do it quickly if you annoy me while I'm out. two different people in one mate.
Yes, I will use martial arts rain or shine, no fks ever given, ever. I am a really nice guy though.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
Dust for over a year, gaming for over 18 and counting.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1470
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:30:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win. I have no problem with that. But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player? Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM. I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other. Around my nan I am an angel. Anywhere else I am me, an horrible **** who will fk you up and abuse my martial arts to do it quickly if you annoy me while I'm out. two different people in one mate. Yes, I will use martial arts rain or shine, no fks ever given, ever. I am a really nice guy though.
Doesn't change the fact that your apparent martial arts ability is innately in your head, only you yourself have the ability to decide when or when not to use it, that knowledge is inside of you and it has an effect on your choices.
A man who knows martial arts will approach a situation differently than a man who knows not how to defend themselves. Information, abundance or lack thereof, is the deciding factor.
And @ Soraya. The evidence, as you so call it, is out there but I have little intention to try and "legally" so to speak approach this, rather I am merely putting it out there for the community to read and decide for themselves. I feel like I'm discussing this with a bunch of lawyers, tbh.
The Sinwarden
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2968
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:41:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win. I have no problem with that. But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player? Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM. I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other. Around my nan I am an angel. Anywhere else I am me, an horrible **** who will fk you up and abuse my martial arts to do it quickly if you annoy me while I'm out. two different people in one mate. Yes, I will use martial arts rain or shine, no fks ever given, ever. I am a really nice guy though. Doesn't change the fact that your apparent martial arts ability is innately in your head, only you yourself have the ability to decide when or when not to use it, that knowledge is inside of you and it has an effect on your choices. A man who knows martial arts will approach a situation differently than a man who knows not how to defend themselves. Information, abundance or lack thereof, is the deciding factor. And @ Soraya. The evidence, as you so call it, is out there but I have little intention to try and "legally" so to speak approach this, rather I am merely putting it out there for the community to read and decide for themselves. I feel like I'm discussing this with a bunch of lawyers, tbh.
In films yeah, in RL though when someone wants a fight, words won't stop a fist. You have to remember the level of stupidity one must be filled with to go starting trouble anyway, there's no reasoning with an idiot.
I don't agree with a lot that goes on but there's a lot CCP could do so we are not trapped in the grind system. I remember them saying how other fps are like prisons in a way, well that's exactly how dust feels. Its grind or gfto and if we had quicker and reasonable ways to make isk then there'd be less problems. Just a dust only market would solve a lot, instead of grinding for about a year just to lose it all anyway, you could play the market. There'd be no real problem with losing because you'd be able to sustain your cops upkeep rather than grinding away at what your have.
Obviously corps that have been around since beta have most of the talent and isk, so the problems they face are just sprinkles when the real issues are quite fundamental.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
Dust for over a year, gaming for over 18 and counting.
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2968
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:42:00 -
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I'd also like to apologise if that went off topic at all, iv just smoked a joint Hahaha.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
Dust for over a year, gaming for over 18 and counting.
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Maleficent Crabster
6
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game?
Soraya Xel wrote:So, you suggest Spero should have to do tireless effort on your behalf to make the game better, and also not play it himself?
Soraya Xel wrote:So, what you're saying is, you have no concrete evidence of any kind to suggest he's doing anything wrong, but since you aren't a CPM, you're going to try to define what essentially means "all CPM are inherently cheating" then instead?
Does Kain Spero pay you to suck his **** so hard or is this something you do voluntarily? |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1858
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:50:00 -
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Maleficent Crabster wrote:Does Kain Spero pay you to suck his **** so hard or is this something you do voluntarily?
I merely have a far better understanding of the game, and am attempting to educate.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1654
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:17:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game?
Would you please remove your lips from his azzzz?
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
You will never break my will...
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Free Beers
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2220
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:25:00 -
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More player entitlement is seems. Lets see what we have today
"My corps isn't good enough to compete in PC so I am going to blame kane and say he is corrupt" That will show him
These are they same people in real life that say "My gf has the biggest vag ever" no dude you just have a small ****"
Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3201
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:26:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game? Would you please remove your lips from his azzzz?
You probably need remove your head from yours. 
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
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noob cavman
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
1125
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:33:00 -
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Solid changes 
I want to be a caveman!
Ccp: DENIED YOU DRUNK
Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
FFX and X2 in hd GÖí
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Maleficent Crabster
10
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Posted - 2014.04.05 23:53:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Maleficent Crabster wrote:Does Kain Spero pay you to suck his **** so hard or is this something you do voluntarily? I merely have a far better understanding of the game, and am attempting to educate.
If only you had an understanding of how to run an alliance. |
Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
1516
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Posted - 2014.04.06 00:35:00 -
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I'll be honest kain, I didn't read that. But my personal suggestion for the whole making PC better is this, Git gud!! Or become a complete oddball like me.
The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs.
Amarrican to the core.
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Free Beers
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2222
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Posted - 2014.04.06 00:42:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:I'll be honest kain, I didn't read that. But my personal suggestion for the whole making PC better is this, Git gud!! Or become a complete oddball like me.
Jeez you are such the corp hoping *****. Must get paid by the hour 
Every mercs life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and died that distinguishes one from another
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
1517
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Posted - 2014.04.06 00:55:00 -
[38] - Quote
Free Beers wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:I'll be honest kain, I didn't read that. But my personal suggestion for the whole making PC better is this, Git gud!! Or become a complete oddball like me. Jeez you are such the corp hoping *****. Must get paid by the hour
They guilt tripped into returning, and besides, I've only been in four corps. Honestly, Scions of Athra I wouldn't count as they encouraged me to return to my old one, and I didn't spend too long there anyway.
The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs.
Amarrican to the core.
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Salviatino Maiano
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
138
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Posted - 2014.04.06 02:18:00 -
[39] - Quote
Fanfest and beyond will determine CPM Kane Spero's integrity, I am not convinced and may remain so until hindsight proves me wrong. If DNS or Escrow are in such a great advantage for whatever is to come my skepticism will only grow. I am not ignorant and will not cry out that Kane Spero is a dishonest man. I will however not turn my eye from the possibilities that still remain.
Thank you for what you do Kane Spero i hope as much as the rest that you do not use private information to your advantage and in time i may learn that you are who you say you are. Until then good luck and I hope to see you on the battle field again.
I'm right behind you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=29eS4dXgT58#t=36
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NobIesse Oblige
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
204
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Posted - 2014.04.06 02:56:00 -
[40] - Quote
The problem with any insinuation that a CPM used position to bolster his in game activities, for example, knowledge of 1.8's end to locking influencing a decision to not be a major land holder and sell land at incredibly high prices to maximize profits influenced by that knowledge while the rest of PC were under the impression locking would not end...is impossible to prove without parties involved implicating themselves.
Did he stock up on duvolle's before the price skyrocketed...no.
Did he happen to know 1.8 would end locking sooner than you did and it influenced his decision to sell land at 200 mill a district because of an awareness that the profit margin was higher by selling as opposed to holding onto them until locking ends...where things were unclear what could happen.
Impossible to prove even if true.
*Note
It's devil's advocate **** like this that TP used to call me carebear n **** for :3
I don't personally believe Kane has ever abused the position of CPM and the above example.
This is a fictional example I just created out of thin air to demonstrate how being CPM could allow one an advantage aside from the dumb idea that any advantage gained would be as quantifiable and easily investigated as Soraya insinuated.
TL;DR
CCP going to boot a CPM member because insider information influenced in game activity?
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NobIesse Oblige
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
205
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Posted - 2014.04.06 02:58:00 -
[41] - Quote
Soraya Xel wrote:Maleficent Crabster wrote:Does Kain Spero pay you to suck his **** so hard or is this something you do voluntarily? I merely have a far better understanding of the game, and am attempting to educate.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
996
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Posted - 2014.04.06 03:38:00 -
[42] - Quote
Kain Spero wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Cross posting this here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153939&find=unreadYou may not like me. I may have burned down you home in Molden Heath, but that doesn't mean we can't take a step back and look at some simple ways to make Planetary Conquest better. Please take a look at the linked thread and discuss the proposals and make some suggestions. Just note this is geared towards low bandwidth (developer time and resources) suggestions that can primarily be done in a hot fix. Thank you again for your thoughts and your time. htf are you still a CPM? What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. It seems there are some players that have trouble making that distinction still. As Kain Spero the player I will crush your corporation until there is nothing left. As David the CPM I will do everything in my power to make sure this game works as well as it can for the health of the community and the longevity of the game.
We know it s bs on the account of both statements. Keep beating ur own drum bud.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
996
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Posted - 2014.04.06 03:54:00 -
[43] - Quote
Kain Spero wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win. I have no problem with that. But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player? Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM. I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other. Using my position as CPM for an in-game advantage goes against the core principles of the CPM, and if you feel that is the case submit a ticket to CCP and Internal Affairs can have a look at it. Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter or run faster or make the troops sent into battle perform any better. My goal as a player is to win but not at the cost of my real life integrity. I'm bound to the CPM as a real person not a character in a game, which is what Kain is.
You pushed for voting initiatives from players leveraging your position as CPM to further your ends. Nuff said. I rest my case.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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Spartacus Dust
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
273
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Posted - 2014.04.06 08:47:00 -
[44] - Quote
What a bunch of cry babies, my alliance just assaulted an entire planet, every district, fighting against Kain's forces, on the ground and in space, We lost, but we had fun. He conquered districts on planets, the name of the game is planetary conquest. What does him AND SEVERAL OTHERS, talking to CCP have to do with any of that?
As an alliance leader, "Matthew Dust" I hate KAIN SPERO. My alliance will fight him tooth and nail any chance we get, you can message me on EVE and I will show up to fight his forces in space I don't care. KAIN SPERO IS A TYRANT, and a mastermind evil manipulator on par with Professor Moriarty
NOW, as a player, me Matt, the Chef who comes on to play a game, Kain Spero is a ******* god send for proposing the things he is to CCP, more clones for me to attack him with, fighting passive income, endorses one universe//one war, he is easily approached, considers your opinions, talks to you in a professional manner, gives you great responses.
I would re-elect him, especially if DNSBLACK also got elected, that would be a direct line of communications GUARENTEED TO GROW THE GAME IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION...
I understand some of you are angry because you lost your districts, my guys are, people make bad moves, Kane made good moves, get over it.
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1655
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:09:00 -
[45] - Quote
NobIesse Oblige wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Maleficent Crabster wrote:Does Kain Spero pay you to suck his **** so hard or is this something you do voluntarily? I merely have a far better understanding of the game, and am attempting to educate. This oozes arrogance.
But the truth hurts...
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
You will never break my will...
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SoLJae
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Dirt Nap Squad.
563
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:18:00 -
[46] - Quote
Spartacus Dust wrote:What a bunch of cry babies, my alliance just assaulted an entire planet, every district, fighting against Kain's forces, on the ground and in space, We lost, but we had fun. He conquered districts on planets, the name of the game is planetary conquest. What does him AND SEVERAL OTHERS, talking to CCP have to do with any of that?
As an alliance leader, "Matthew Dust" I hate KAIN SPERO. My alliance will fight him tooth and nail any chance we get, you can message me on EVE and I will show up to fight his forces in space I don't care. KAIN SPERO IS A TYRANT, and a mastermind evil manipulator on par with Professor Moriarty
NOW, as a player, me Matt, the Chef who comes on to play a game, Kain Spero is a ******* god send for proposing the things he is to CCP, more clones for me to attack him with, fighting passive income, endorses one universe//one war, he is easily approached, considers your opinions, talks to you in a professional manner, gives you great responses.
I would re-elect him, especially if DNSBLACK also got elected, that would be a direct line of communications GUARENTEED TO GROW THE GAME IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION...
I understand some of you are angry because you lost your districts, my guys are, people make bad moves, Kane made good moves, get over it.
+1
I love your chutzpah, Spartacus!
You and your corp are true fighters and have the appropriate attitude needed in order to enjoy this little game of ours, especially the aspect of PC.
More corps should follow the example that Necro and WTF operate by, and learn the art of adaptive strategy!
Give up? This is New Eden, HTFU!
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Traky78
What The French
Red Whines.
840
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Posted - 2014.04.06 15:45:00 -
[47] - Quote
Can confirm Kain hasn't any advantages !
Seriously, he goes 0/5 in our last CB
In a serious note, your ideas for PC are good but i think 80 millions is too much. I know its nothing for the old corps engaged in PC, but too much for new corps.
What The French CEO
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
1521
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Posted - 2014.04.06 16:02:00 -
[48] - Quote
So, what does HTFU mean?
The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs.
Amarrican to the core.
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SoLJae
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Dirt Nap Squad.
563
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Posted - 2014.04.06 16:15:00 -
[49] - Quote
Derrith Erador wrote:So, what does HTFU mean?
Who knows???
I just like acronyms and it looks bada$$ |
Eugene Killmore
Red Star.
EoN.
400
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:07:00 -
[50] - Quote
Red Star fully supports kain speros proposed changes to PC mechanics. Even if you dont like his alliance or his plans for PC these changes would give the smaller guys a fighting chance and make the game much more exciting. Everyone should support this thread if you want to ever truely experience PC.
The 2 most important in my mind are
* Increasing clone packs to 200 clones
* Opening up additional regions
EoN. #1 alliance of ALL TIME undefeated in bloc warfare ;)
Forever repping that Red*Star 666 illuminati thug mafia.
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Emperor1349
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
88
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:07:00 -
[51] - Quote
Kain Spero wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Cross posting this here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153939&find=unreadYou may not like me. I may have burned down you home in Molden Heath, but that doesn't mean we can't take a step back and look at some simple ways to make Planetary Conquest better. Please take a look at the linked thread and discuss the proposals and make some suggestions. Just note this is geared towards low bandwidth (developer time and resources) suggestions that can primarily be done in a hot fix. Thank you again for your thoughts and your time. htf are you still a CPM? What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. It seems there are some players that have trouble making that distinction still. As Kain Spero the player I will crush your corporation until there is nothing left. As David the CPM I will do everything in my power to make sure this game works as well as it can for the health of the community and the longevity of the game.
This guy is a joke, how full of yourself can you get.
If you have a poor gun game no proto suit can help you.
If you have a good gun game no proto suit is needed.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3254
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:31:00 -
[52] - Quote
Eugene Killmore wrote:Red Star fully supports kain speros proposed changes to PC mechanics. Even if you dont like his alliance or his plans for PC these changes would give the smaller guys a fighting chance and make the game much more exciting. Everyone should support this thread if you want to ever truely experience PC.
The 2 most important in my mind are
* Increasing clone packs to 200 clones
* Opening up additional regions
I'm not sure if opening up more regions is necessary. I think they should liquidate the clones on districts plus the cost of a clone pack and wipe ownership in MH.
In my opinion the #1 reason why a 100% takeover of MH was possible is the lack of participation in PC. Over the last 11 months the poor mechanics and game performance dwindled the numbers down. This isn't to take away from the skill and dominance of Those on top, just a realization that is easy to see if one is being honest with his/herself.
This way owners don't get screwed out of what they earned, but we get to start anew. I think for the opening weeks of PC 2.0 that clone packs should only be available to non district holders and they should be cheaper than normal. Call it an event, but the Dust community as a whole has to get more involved for PC to grow into something great.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Level 3 Forum Warrior
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Eugene Killmore
Red Star.
EoN.
401
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:41:00 -
[53] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:Eugene Killmore wrote:Red Star fully supports kain speros proposed changes to PC mechanics. Even if you dont like his alliance or his plans for PC these changes would give the smaller guys a fighting chance and make the game much more exciting. Everyone should support this thread if you want to ever truely experience PC.
The 2 most important in my mind are
* Increasing clone packs to 200 clones
* Opening up additional regions I'm not sure if opening up more regions is necessary. I think they should liquidate the clones on districts plus the cost of a clone pack and wipe ownership in MH. In my opinion the #1 reason why a 100% takeover of MH was possible is the lack of participation in PC. Over the last 11 months the poor mechanics and game performance dwindled the numbers down. This isn't to take away from the skill and dominance of Those on top, just a realization that is easy to see if one is being honest with his/herself. This way owners don't get screwed out of what they earned, but we get to start anew. I think for the opening weeks of PC 2.0 that clone packs should only be available to non district holders and they should be cheaper than normal. Call it an event, but the Dust community as a whole has to get more involved for PC to grow into something great.
I think additional regions are in order. DNS proved a couple hundred dedicated players can easily hold 200+ districts. I even figured out after a while I was able to hold 15-20 myself. Theres just way to many corps for 1 region.
EoN. #1 alliance of ALL TIME undefeated in bloc warfare ;)
Forever repping that Red*Star 666 illuminati thug mafia.
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Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
1734
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:44:00 -
[54] - Quote
PC needs to be entirely re-envisioned, not just suffer arbitrary fumbling with numbers like clone counts and ISK. The fact is PC is boring as hell and far too large an investment for people with lives outside of DUST.
What does this in turn promote? Well, exactly what we have right now. Massive blue donuts and conglomeration of all competent PC-worthy players into these megacorps.
It only makes sense, though. You can't possibly hope to own any territory as a corp unless you have at least 20-30+ competent players who are online A LOT and are willing to play at any given time. The circumstances revolving around deploying attacks/defending districts require a strict schedule of being online at certain times to take part in battles. If you happen to have a job or what have you and can't make it to that battle, your corp loses its territory and you're now stuck in Clone Pack land. There's no room for little guys in this game, and so you get blue donuts.
It's not like EVE where even if you're just a handful of guys you can go logon whenever and wreak some havoc in nullsec and still profit. No, in this game, you need 16 GOOD players at a SPECIFIC time on a CERTAIN day, and sometimes consecutively . It's not feasible nor rewarding for the majority of players whatsoever. Increasing clone counts and reducing profits doesn't give incentive for the new guys.
PC is this: repetitive, laggy Skirmishes on pre-determined maps at pre-determined times vying for colored squares on a starmap that will ultimately function as ISK drills for your corp. There's no sense of consistency to it at all. No reward beyond ISK which can be easily made in other ventures. Nothing PC provides really shines and gives people that hope of "Yeah! I really need to train to get into PC so I can reap these rewards!" Dealing in petty politics and the frustration of getting people online to defend districts is not worth getting grey hairs over.
Like I said, PC needs to be re-envisioned to be made fun, not just have some numbers tweaked and declare "fixed!".
Let me play you the song of my people!
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Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers
700
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:49:00 -
[55] - Quote
Traky78 wrote:Can confirm Kain hasn't any advantages !
Seriously, he goes 0/5 in our last CB
In a serious note, your ideas for PC are good but i think 80 millions is too much. I know its nothing for the old corps engaged in PC, but too much for new corps.
I disagree. 80 Million is a perfectly reasonable amount for a 200 clone pack. Lots of 1 man corps waste 36 million nearly every day on clone packs. |
Eugene Killmore
Red Star.
EoN.
401
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:50:00 -
[56] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:PC needs to be entirely re-envisioned, not just suffer arbitrary fumbling with numbers like clone counts and ISK. The fact is PC is boring as hell and far too large an investment for people with lives outside of DUST.
What does this in turn promote? Well, exactly what we have right now. Massive blue donuts and conglomeration of all competent PC-worthy players into these megacorps.
It only makes sense, though. You can't possibly hope to own any territory as a corp unless you have at least 20-30+ competent players who are online A LOT and are willing to play at any given time. The circumstances revolving around deploying attacks/defending districts require a strict schedule of being online at certain times to take part in battles. If you happen to have a job or what have you and can't make it to that battle, your corp loses its territory and you're now stuck in Clone Pack land. There's no room for little guys in this game, and so you get blue donuts.
It's not like EVE where even if you're just a handful of guys you can go logon whenever and wreak some havoc in nullsec and still profit. No, in this game, you need 16 GOOD players at a SPECIFIC time on a CERTAIN day, and sometimes consecutively . It's not feasible nor rewarding for the majority of players whatsoever. Increasing clone counts and reducing profits doesn't give incentive for the new guys.
PC is this: repetitive, laggy Skirmishes on pre-determined maps at pre-determined times vying for colored squares on a starmap that will ultimately function as ISK drills for your corp. There's no sense of consistency to it at all. No reward beyond ISK which can be easily made in other ventures. Nothing PC provides really shines and gives people that hope of "Yeah! I really need to train to get into PC so I can reap these rewards!" Dealing in petty politics and the frustration of getting people online to defend districts is not worth getting grey hairs over.
Like I said, PC needs to be re-envisioned to be made fun, not just have some numbers tweaked and declare "fixed!".
Idc if a vet finds it boring or stressful to defend there massive amount of districts. These changes are for the lil guys wondering what pc is like. 120 clones isnt enough for a competitive match. 200 clones is enough so people actually have a chance to experience PC. Let them decide for themselves whats fun and worth there time.
EoN. #1 alliance of ALL TIME undefeated in bloc warfare ;)
Forever repping that Red*Star 666 illuminati thug mafia.
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Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
1735
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:55:00 -
[57] - Quote
Fiddlestaxp wrote:Traky78 wrote:Can confirm Kain hasn't any advantages !
Seriously, he goes 0/5 in our last CB
In a serious note, your ideas for PC are good but i think 80 millions is too much. I know its nothing for the old corps engaged in PC, but too much for new corps. I disagree. 80 Million is a perfectly reasonable amount for a 200 clone pack. Lots of 1 man corps waste 36 million nearly every day on clone packs.
Can you name a few?
Let me play you the song of my people!
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Funkmaster Whale
Ancient Exiles.
1735
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Posted - 2014.04.06 17:57:00 -
[58] - Quote
Eugene Killmore wrote:Idc if a vet finds it boring or stressful to defend there massive amount of districts. These changes are for the lil guys wondering what pc is like. 120 clones isnt enough for a competitive match. 200 clones is enough so people actually have a chance to experience PC. Let them decide for themselves whats fun and worth there time.
Sure. Go ahead. Go experience PC and see how much a blast it is. 
Let me play you the song of my people!
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Eugene Killmore
Red Star.
EoN.
401
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Posted - 2014.04.06 18:00:00 -
[59] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:Eugene Killmore wrote:Idc if a vet finds it boring or stressful to defend there massive amount of districts. These changes are for the lil guys wondering what pc is like. 120 clones isnt enough for a competitive match. 200 clones is enough so people actually have a chance to experience PC. Let them decide for themselves whats fun and worth there time. Sure. Go ahead. Go experience PC and see how much a blast it is.
Are you telling me I should experience it? Or in general? Believe it or not some people actually enjoy competition on first person shooters.
EoN. #1 alliance of ALL TIME undefeated in bloc warfare ;)
Forever repping that Red*Star 666 illuminati thug mafia.
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Spartacus Dust
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
278
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Posted - 2014.04.06 18:03:00 -
[60] - Quote
Derrith Erador wrote:So, what does HTFU mean?
Harden The **** Up
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
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Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers
702
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Posted - 2014.04.06 19:01:00 -
[61] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:Traky78 wrote:Can confirm Kain hasn't any advantages !
Seriously, he goes 0/5 in our last CB
In a serious note, your ideas for PC are good but i think 80 millions is too much. I know its nothing for the old corps engaged in PC, but too much for new corps. I disagree. 80 Million is a perfectly reasonable amount for a 200 clone pack. Lots of 1 man corps waste 36 million nearly every day on clone packs. Can you name a few?
I don't recall names for most? But in my experience being a member of TP/ERA people have consistently launched clone packs against us who either have no idea what they are doing, or just like wasting money.
I would also point out that clone packs saw a good deal of use even when it was 80 million for 150. 200 clones offers you the ability to take a production facility/research lab from a low experience corp. It also gives you an advantage against a low clone district. It is BETTER than the old clone packs. |
CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1657
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Posted - 2014.04.06 19:07:00 -
[62] - Quote
Funkmaster Whale wrote:PC needs to be entirely re-envisioned, not just suffer arbitrary fumbling with numbers like clone counts and ISK. The fact is PC is boring as hell and far too large an investment for people with lives outside of DUST.
What does this in turn promote? Well, exactly what we have right now. Massive blue donuts and conglomeration of all competent PC-worthy players into these megacorps.
It only makes sense, though. You can't possibly hope to own any territory as a corp unless you have at least 20-30+ competent players who are online A LOT and are willing to play at any given time. The circumstances revolving around deploying attacks/defending districts require a strict schedule of being online at certain times to take part in battles. If you happen to have a job or what have you and can't make it to that battle, your corp loses its territory and you're now stuck in Clone Pack land. There's no room for little guys in this game, and so you get blue donuts.
It's not like EVE where even if you're just a handful of guys you can go logon whenever and wreak some havoc in nullsec and still profit. No, in this game, you need 16 GOOD players at a SPECIFIC time on a CERTAIN day, and sometimes consecutively. Then you have cases like Nyain San's districts which are effectively unattackable due to their timers being set right after downtime. It's not feasible nor rewarding for the majority of players whatsoever. Increasing clone counts and reducing profits doesn't give incentive for the new guys.
PC is this: repetitive, laggy Skirmishes on pre-determined maps at pre-determined times vying for colored squares on a starmap that will ultimately function as ISK drills for your corp. There's no sense of consistency to it at all. No reward beyond ISK which can be easily made in other ventures. Nothing PC provides really shines and gives people that hope of "Yeah! I really need to train to get into PC so I can reap these rewards!" Dealing in petty politics and the frustration of getting people online to defend districts is not worth getting grey hairs over.
Like I said, PC needs to be re-envisioned to be made fun, not just have some numbers tweaked and declare "fixed!".
This is true, very true...
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
You will never break my will...
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Radar R4D-47
0uter.Heaven
588
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Posted - 2014.04.06 19:30:00 -
[63] - Quote
The quickhotfix for no 100% |
bigolenuts
Dirt Nap Squad.
535
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Posted - 2014.04.06 21:58:00 -
[64] - Quote
Emperor1349 wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Cross posting this here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153939&find=unreadYou may not like me. I may have burned down you home in Molden Heath, but that doesn't mean we can't take a step back and look at some simple ways to make Planetary Conquest better. Please take a look at the linked thread and discuss the proposals and make some suggestions. Just note this is geared towards low bandwidth (developer time and resources) suggestions that can primarily be done in a hot fix. Thank you again for your thoughts and your time. htf are you still a CPM? What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. It seems there are some players that have trouble making that distinction still. As Kain Spero the player I will crush your corporation until there is nothing left. As David the CPM I will do everything in my power to make sure this game works as well as it can for the health of the community and the longevity of the game. This guy is a joke, how full of yourself can you get.
Says the guy who names himself Emperor.
"I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3218
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Posted - 2014.04.06 23:36:00 -
[65] - Quote
Traky78 wrote:Can confirm Kain hasn't any advantages !
Seriously, he goes 0/5 in our last CB
In a serious note, your ideas for PC are good but i think 80 millions is too much. I know its nothing for the old corps engaged in PC, but too much for new corps.
I'm worried 60 might be so low that you end up with clone packs being spammed everywhere on both sides of the front. It's something to consider though.
One of the other goals of the 80m price is to ensure that locking by self attack with a clone pack is extremely expensive.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
367
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Posted - 2014.04.06 23:50:00 -
[66] - Quote
If someone can explain the purpose of PC to me, then I can give suggestions. At this point, I don't understand the purpose. I have assumptions, like it's to create true competition.
I'm interested to hear everyone's opinion on the purpose.
Happy Gaming!!! |
J0LLY R0G3R
Dirt Nap Squad.
711
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Posted - 2014.04.06 23:55:00 -
[67] - Quote
Kain Spero wrote:
Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter.
Or drop obs any better XD
++++Gimme Back my SG RoF++++
XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
603
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Posted - 2014.04.07 00:06:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Traky78 wrote:Can confirm Kain hasn't any advantages !
Seriously, he goes 0/5 in our last CB
In a serious note, your ideas for PC are good but i think 80 millions is too much. I know its nothing for the old corps engaged in PC, but too much for new corps. I'm worried 60 might be so low that you end up with clone packs being spammed everywhere on both sides of the front. It's something to consider though. One of the other goals of the 80m price is to ensure that locking by self attack with a clone pack is extremely expensive.
How is more accessibility. more fights, and more district flipping bad?
What I see happening;
Kane (Kain) Spero lobbies for the price hike. This further advances his own interest where only the wealthiest of corps have any staying power. Seems legit.
We can pickle that.
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Moorian Flav
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Posted - 2014.04.07 16:50:00 -
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This would of been a good discussion several months ago. Seems a little late now.
I don't troll; I tell the truth.
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Cubs Secretary
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:10:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win. I have no problem with that. But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player? Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM. I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other.
from the desk of Cubs:
good question, with a ridiculously simple answer that even now no one believes.
Kain the CPM is just that and everyone sees what he and the other CPM have done and continue to do, just without much acknowledgement that they had a hand in such things.
Kain the player is poster boy, the ultimate Patsy for everything we as an organization do. He makes for a great pinup doll, and doesn't mind the constant negativity you all throw at him, cause behind the curtain, it is rather comical to see the collective lack of any form of brain power in the community at large.
Keep up the good work Kane! Let the meta-nerds continue their poorly thought and even worse executed attempts at being even somewhat meaningful in this game.
the only REAL difference is Kain the CPM has better people skills
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3289
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:16:00 -
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Eugene Killmore wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Eugene Killmore wrote:Idc if a vet finds it boring or stressful to defend there massive amount of districts. These changes are for the lil guys wondering what pc is like. 120 clones isnt enough for a competitive match. 200 clones is enough so people actually have a chance to experience PC. Let them decide for themselves whats fun and worth there time. Sure. Go ahead. Go experience PC and see how much a blast it is. Are you telling me I should experience it? Or in general? Believe it or not some people actually enjoy competition on first person shooters.
So enjoyable that you guys quit doing it for months
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Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3289
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:20:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:PC needs to be entirely re-envisioned, not just suffer arbitrary fumbling with numbers like clone counts and ISK. The fact is PC is boring as hell and far too large an investment for people with lives outside of DUST.
What does this in turn promote? Well, exactly what we have right now. Massive blue donuts and conglomeration of all competent PC-worthy players into these megacorps.
It only makes sense, though. You can't possibly hope to own any territory as a corp unless you have at least 20-30+ competent players who are online A LOT and are willing to play at any given time. The circumstances revolving around deploying attacks/defending districts require a strict schedule of being online at certain times to take part in battles. If you happen to have a job or what have you and can't make it to that battle, your corp loses its territory and you're now stuck in Clone Pack land. There's no room for little guys in this game, and so you get blue donuts.
It's not like EVE where even if you're just a handful of guys you can go logon whenever and wreak some havoc in nullsec and still profit. No, in this game, you need 16 GOOD players at a SPECIFIC time on a CERTAIN day, and sometimes consecutively. Then you have cases like Nyain San's districts which are effectively unattackable due to their timers being set right after downtime. It's not feasible nor rewarding for the majority of players whatsoever. Increasing clone counts and reducing profits doesn't give incentive for the new guys.
PC is this: repetitive, laggy Skirmishes on pre-determined maps at pre-determined times vying for colored squares on a starmap that will ultimately function as ISK drills for your corp. There's no sense of consistency to it at all. No reward beyond ISK which can be easily made in other ventures. Nothing PC provides really shines and gives people that hope of "Yeah! I really need to train to get into PC so I can reap these rewards!" Dealing in petty politics and the frustration of getting people online to defend districts is not worth getting grey hairs over.
Like I said, PC needs to be re-envisioned to be made fun, not just have some numbers tweaked and declare "fixed!".
Pokey's Dream
In that link you'll find an original idea that brings forth some of what you are talking about.
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Cubs Secretary
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:21:00 -
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150 clones, the same as what the REST of this game is based on, should be returned as an option at the VERY least.
200 clone 'packs'? that is pretty much against the entire setup of Dust.
plus, with the exception of Radar and maybe 1 or 2 other corps, seriously who is gonna roll the dice on 80 million isk? for a single battle?
and in 99% of potential cases of the attacker actually winning, the auto-reup would ensure a loss.
150 clone packs need to return, and if your corp continues to use the excuse that you don't have enough clones with 150, then you better go back to the drawing board and rethink your strategy
120 is not enough, better than the 100 clone packs, but still not enough. 200 now places the advantage to the attacker, which should never be the case in the scenario of attacking vs defending...
I know I know... #logic has no place 'round here
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1493
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:29:00 -
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Cubs Secretary wrote:Kain the CPM, Kain the player
They're still the same Kain. All I read are people trying to distinguish between these apparently different people and yet they are the same person, who have access to the same behaviors, emotions, personality traits and knowledge. The same brain.
You all say that, despite they are in fact the same person, there is absolutely no way the knowledge gained by Kain as CPM cannot be used by Kain the pin up doll. This is your word against mine, his word agains the communities. In the end this gets us nowhere because if you want to get all "legal environment' on me lets face it my pretty secretary lady; you are biased, and ergo so am I.
I am simply dealing with issues of the cognitive variety; they are the same person and they share the same "knowledge bank", no one else has equal advantage to what he knows, because it is impossible for me to know what he does, simple fact. Frankly, I see this as a fault of CCP tbh, if only everything the CPM gets to know gets immediately divulged to the community, but that is not the case.
Maybe all CEO's and poster boys who are actively playing Dust's top level competitive environment; Planetary Conquest, should be a CPM
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3290
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:37:00 -
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Cubs Secretary wrote:150 clones, the same as what the REST of this game is based on, should be returned as an option at the VERY least.
200 clone 'packs'? that is pretty much against the entire setup of Dust.
plus, with the exception of Radar and maybe 1 or 2 other corps, seriously who is gonna roll the dice on 80 million isk? for a single battle?
and in 99% of potential cases of the attacker actually winning, the auto-reup would ensure a loss.
150 clone packs need to return, and if your corp continues to use the excuse that you don't have enough clones with 150, then you better go back to the drawing board and rethink your strategy
120 is not enough, better than the 100 clone packs, but still not enough. 200 now places the advantage to the attacker, which should never be the case in the scenario of attacking vs defending...
I know I know... #logic has no place 'round here
I just don't think people that have worked so hard to become the top dogs are capable of seeing what needs to happen to get more people involved.
Do you guys want to only play each other? Well I guess play each other at some point after you've determined you've farmed enough ISK from the mother of all donuts.
Think about the number of players/corps that were participating in PC in June/July 2013 vs what we have right now. I'd conservatively guess 1/10th of the players were involved before you guys ended PC for the Dust community.
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VIRDJINN Spero
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:40:00 -
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I won't downplay the accomplishments of Kain, the universe is built around people like him, who try to control things by any means necessary. He in that respect to be acknowledged, but the bluing up an monopolization of Molden Heath is not a step in the right direction for the game as a whole. It may highlight PCs flaws but it doesn't change the fact that it alienates 99% of the playerbase from PC and allows the other 1% to amass unchecked wealth thus creating a greater imbalance for a future player market. Any changes to fix that can't be implemented fast enough to make it matter.
A lot of us figured this was going to happen from the start, and if it wasn't Kain it would have been someone else.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3290
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:50:00 -
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VIRDJINN Spero wrote:I won't downplay the accomplishments of Kain, the universe is built around people like him, who try to control things by any means necessary. He in that respect he is to be acknowledged, but the bluing up an monopolization of Molden Heath is not a step in the right direction for the game as a whole. It may highlight PCs flaws but it doesn't change the fact that it alienates 99% of the playerbase from PC and allows the other 1% to amass unchecked wealth thus creating a greater imbalance for a future player market. Any changes to fix that can't be implemented fast enough to make it matter.
A lot of us figured this was going to happen from the start, and if it wasn't Kain it would have been someone else.
The sandbox of good fights will soon be gone, so what's the point of PC other than farming ISK?
If we are being honest, it's closed out very few because very few were actually participating.
PC had slowly turned into who had hired the best ringers and many times it was ringers vs ringers on districts.
Eon and what they did was something to be impressed about. This would be like getting excited about winning a YMCA basketball tournament in Lincoln, Nebraska. That's NOT to take away from the skill of those involved. The point is that something has to change beyond number of clones for a clone pack.
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Dachande Anasazi
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
140
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:00:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. And yet you are the same person. I don't see this as a justification. I understand that some players will always remain too ignorant to understand it. Ignorant? On the contrary my friend. Please explain to me how you can possibly keep your professionalism under the NDA rule and yet perform as an active player in the game, explain to me how this is not an issue and/or an unfair advantage. Please, I am not insulting or attacking you I'm just pointing out my opinion, do not insult my intelligence by calling me ignorant.
Ummm he knows what will come out next and what changes will be made. But he still needs a team of good players to be able to set up for the win before th enext patch.
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
367
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:27:00 -
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I'm going to post this over here, too, because I want people to shoot holes in it.
Please excuse the wall of text you may or may not read, but I think these suggestions are easy and can be implemented in hot fixes:
First, there has to be a complete wipe of Molden Heath. Sorry, Big Blue Donut, but if we want any type of PC to work, we have to start with a fresh slate. Once this wipe happens, we have another land grab; however, every corporation that wants a district can only buy one during this period of time. After the district is selected, the corporation has to make four decisions:
(1). When do you want your district to be open to attack?
a. You have to select a two hour window
b. You have to select three days that this window is open
c. Once this is established, every district owned by this particular corporation has the same two hour window and the same days
d. You can change this at any point for $$$$
(2). What mode do you want this district to be?
a. You can select Skirm, Dom, or Ambush
b. You can change this at any point for $$$$
c. Every district owned by the corp can have a different mode
(3). What limit do you want to set for mercs?
a. You can establish a district for 6+ mercs, which means that the defending force only has to provide 6 players.
b. If you select anything less than 16, the attacking force can choose to bring +1 to the battle; for instance, IGÇÖm attacking a district that is set at 8. The defending force can have a max of 8 players defend, but I can bring 9, if I want.
(4). Is this your GÇ£home baseGÇ¥?
a. If you decide this district is your home base, you label it as such
b. Once the district is labeled as home base, it opens certain abilities; for example, you can have more than one purchased structure on the district
c. You can only have one home base at a time
I wanted to outline these easy fixes before discussing why I think they will bring about quick and positive change to PC. By selecting the two hour window and three days for this window to be openGÇöwith all districts owned by the same corp having the same window/daysGÇöthis stops corps with small (elite) mercs to own too much land. The key is that you no longer have 24 hoursGÇÖ notice of attack. If your district is online, you can be attacked with only 5 minutesGÇÖ notice.
Selecting a mode will increase tactics and overall enjoyment, in my opinion. If you want victory or defeat to be quick and painless, select Ambush. We should have that option as district owners. I think this selection can be by districts owned, too. So, every district that we own can be a different mode.
The limit of mercs adds another strategic piece to the PC puzzle, but more than anything, it allows small corps to enter PC and compete. What IGÇÖve found is that itGÇÖs extremely hard to get 16 PC guys into a corporation unless youGÇÖre willing to accept anyone at the possible detriment to your corpGÇÖs values. LetGÇÖs allow small corps to remain true to their values and still be competitive. I also love the +1 idea here because that will stop these GÇ£eliteGÇ¥ corps from setting all their districts to 6 mercs, in order to spread their small numbers out.
The home base idea is crucial because it should be very hard to completely kick any corp out of PC. If I stack a couple production facilities on my home base (which will cost $$$$), I will have a garrison that can withstand multiple attacks in the 2 hour window. Also, with these large garrisons, epic battles will unfold that last well beyond the 2 hour window because I would keep the ability to re-attack as long as you have more than 200 clones.
I think we should promote as much GÇ£corp onlyGÇ¥ fights as possible, too. I like alliances; I like the idea behind them. But they should never take the place of having all the same corp tags on the scoreboard. In order to promote this loyalty, I say that if you attack or defend with only people from your corp, you get a 10-20% bonus in clone count. If you bring in just one person without your corp tags, you simply donGÇÖt get this bonus.
As for getting EvE more integratedGÇöin a quick fixGÇöI say we look at this corp bonus, too. If you have a ship with your corp tags in space, able to drop orbitals, you should see a decrease in 25% of the timer between OBs.
Until someone can figure out something different, I think ISK should be generated by each district. The problem right now is that itGÇÖs too easy for a corp of 20 mercs to own 40 districts and simply sit on the isk. With the quick changes I detailed above, 20 mercs wonGÇÖt be able to properly defend 40 districts that are online 2 hours over three days. |
Cubs Secretary
TeamPlayers
66
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:28:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cubs Secretary wrote:150 clones, the same as what the REST of this game is based on, should be returned as an option at the VERY least.
200 clone 'packs'? that is pretty much against the entire setup of Dust.
plus, with the exception of Radar and maybe 1 or 2 other corps, seriously who is gonna roll the dice on 80 million isk? for a single battle?
and in 99% of potential cases of the attacker actually winning, the auto-reup would ensure a loss.
150 clone packs need to return, and if your corp continues to use the excuse that you don't have enough clones with 150, then you better go back to the drawing board and rethink your strategy
120 is not enough, better than the 100 clone packs, but still not enough. 200 now places the advantage to the attacker, which should never be the case in the scenario of attacking vs defending...
I know I know... #logic has no place 'round here I just don't think people that have worked so hard to become the top dogs are capable of seeing what needs to happen to get more people involved. Do you guys want to only play each other? Well I guess play each other at some point after you've determined you've farmed enough ISK from the mother of all donuts. Think about the number of players/corps that were participating in PC in June/July 2013 vs what we have right now. I'd conservatively guess 1/10th of the players were involved before you guys ended PC for the Dust community.
From the desk of Cubs:
I'll be perfectly honest, I am greedy, but at the same time the current landscape is something I do not personally subscribe to. now at the same time, the pure lack of the community putting up a fight when this all happened is a big reason I'm not being the a$$hole and tearing it right down. The community at large doesn't deserve even a slice of the pie at this time.
is it our fault it got to this? sure if it makes you feel better, blame me. I could care less.
when perma-locking became the 'cool' thing to do, every single corp worth a $hit lost that competitive edge they had over pub scrubs.
the only people who maintained that competitive edge and kept improving themselves are the current 'donut' u all cry about.
so yes, while we're all hippocrits for saying we want 'good fights' then all become part of the same alliance, the root of the problem lies on the community for thinking things would change without them improving, working hard, and to be blunt.. getting good at a very easy game.
Im sorry ive never been on the team with the disadvantage, and before you say it, know I've been on the same team since I started playing this game. Helped build it up, and the same people are here today that were here in chromosome. Some come some go over time, but the same core and the team itself is always run the same.
I have no sympathy for those that just fold it up and tuck their tails and give up. which is this entire community right now outside DNS.
as the community size decreases, so do the collective '*********' of the group at large.
#factsNoTalwaysGooDnewS
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3293
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:27:00 -
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Nobody could beat you guys with any regularity before you all blue'd up. There was a short lived community effort to go after NS and their districts, but Kain stopped that in it's tracks. If every single player outside of your donut ran BPOs in pubs to fund attack after attack on the donut I doubt you'd see more than 10 districts flip over 2 weeks and even then you'd just take them right back.
Do you expect that to happen? I mean has that ever even been mentioned as a possibility when you guys "plan".
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
869
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Posted - 2014.04.07 19:49:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Cross posting this here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153939&find=unreadYou may not like me. I may have burned down you home in Molden Heath, but that doesn't mean we can't take a step back and look at some simple ways to make Planetary Conquest better. Please take a look at the linked thread and discuss the proposals and make some suggestions. Just note this is geared towards low bandwidth (developer time and resources) suggestions that can primarily be done in a hot fix. Thank you again for your thoughts and your time. htf are you still a CPM? What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. It seems there are some players that have trouble making that distinction still. As Kain Spero the player I will crush your corporation until there is nothing left. As David the CPM I will do everything in my power to make sure this game works as well as it can for the health of the community and the longevity of the game.
Kain,
I respect the accomplishments you've made in the game and I appreciate the fact that you are the most active in-game CPM we have (at least that I can tell). You clearly don't have any requirement to respond in this or any other thread and you have been engaging so again...i respect that.
I guess my basic question is how do square your statement above with the very simple fact that the current state of PC that you've facilitated is in direct opposition to your comment that you want to do everything in you're power to make the game work, create a healthy community, and increase the lifespan of the game? Don't misunderstand me, I can easily seperate in-game vs out of game discussions and think that's actually part of the fun...what I am asking is where do you personnaly see your priorities given the conflict between the two diametrically opposed positions? At the moment...it would appear that you prioritize your in-game activities over your stated CPM goals. I know it's not as simple as that but wanted to tee up the question.
As for advantages being the CPM maybe giving you...I don't believe that you are directly using your CPM position to gain adavantage but that doesn't mean that it doesn't inform your decisions in-game to some degree. That's normal and expected, I've heard more than one CSM member discuss this very thing and it's no different for Dust. There is fairly clear line about how this works and where it crosses into dangerous territory...I don't think you've crossed it but it doesn't change how folks can easily perceive that.
Additionally...I actually think that quite a few of the more vocal a$$hats on the forums that happen to be in ERA, DNS, NF, ect really do want the best for the game. One on one they are can be great guys to talk with and share tactics, fits, or just squad up with and have fun and learn to from them. The majority of the folks don't see any of that and frankly all they see is the "in-game" posts or actions and that colors everyone's percpetions because that's the only reference they get. I'm not advocating anyone make a hokey PR push...just reminding you to consider that when engaging folks.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2014.04.08 05:26:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game?
I hearby nominate you as the Monica Lewinsky to Kain's Bill Clinton
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Spartacus Dust
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
292
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Posted - 2014.04.08 05:35:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game? I hearby nominate you as the Monica Lewinsky to Kain's Bill Clinton
I'm not defending Kain the player, but as a CPM, he is pushing for more clones, more clones which I could attack him with and take his districts with. As a CPM he has taken the time to hear me out and my ideas about DUST, despite me attacking his districts and killing his pilots.
Why can't you people just grow up and be mature.
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2014.04.08 05:54:00 -
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Spartacus Dust wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game? I hearby nominate you as the Monica Lewinsky to Kain's Bill Clinton I'm not defending Kain the player, but as a CPM, he is pushing for more clones, more clones which I could attack him with and take his districts with. As a CPM he has taken the time to hear me out and my ideas about DUST, despite me attacking his districts and killing his pilots. Why can't you people just grow up and be mature.
Shut up dude, I'm talking about Soraya. Why can't you people know how to take a joke? weirdo
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Spartacus Dust
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
293
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:16:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Spartacus Dust wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game? I hearby nominate you as the Monica Lewinsky to Kain's Bill Clinton I'm not defending Kain the player, but as a CPM, he is pushing for more clones, more clones which I could attack him with and take his districts with. As a CPM he has taken the time to hear me out and my ideas about DUST, despite me attacking his districts and killing his pilots. Why can't you people just grow up and be mature. Shut up dude, I'm talking about Soraya. Why can't you people know how to take a joke? weirdo
We can take a joke, but you players keep getting butt hurt about Kain, then you wanna talk smack about Soraya, a stand up guy, that's how I know you're a loser.
Twitter @Matthew_Dust
Executor of Caps and Mercs Alliance.
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2014.04.08 07:52:00 -
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Spartacus Dust wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Spartacus Dust wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game? I hearby nominate you as the Monica Lewinsky to Kain's Bill Clinton I'm not defending Kain the player, but as a CPM, he is pushing for more clones, more clones which I could attack him with and take his districts with. As a CPM he has taken the time to hear me out and my ideas about DUST, despite me attacking his districts and killing his pilots. Why can't you people just grow up and be mature. Shut up dude, I'm talking about Soraya. Why can't you people know how to take a joke? weirdo We can take a joke, but you players keep getting butt hurt about Kain, then you wanna talk smack about Soraya, a stand up guy, that's how I know you're a loser.
That's great! Now shut up you old hag
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Lunatic Kota
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
96
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Posted - 2014.04.08 08:26:00 -
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As most of you can see, Kain is now busy destroying what little you have left. Congrats, you made him unhappy.
Fortunately for you guys tho! You can buzz that CPM guy David and complain about how you lost all your lands in PC.
Kain eats Crayons but never the brown ones for some reason.
There's a message in my Cheerios!
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Lunatic Kota
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
96
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Posted - 2014.04.08 08:35:00 -
[89] - Quote
Also, you guys are only QQing because Kain is in ERA. If he was scrubby and in some corp like Molon Labe. then no one would have a problem because they get kicked around like an unwanted puppy.
There's a message in my Cheerios!
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
313
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Posted - 2014.04.08 08:50:00 -
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CCP PLZ implement a super mega ass titan like death star to destroy district http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZFHTa6TfA |
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SoLJae
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Dirt Nap Squad.
566
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:54:00 -
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Cubs Secretary wrote:
I have no sympathy for those that just fold it up and tuck their tails and give up. which is this entire community right now outside DNS.
It's true, Mr. Cubs, that many have folded and have resigned themselves to pathetic whining about what they see as insurmountable odds and such.
But alas, rejoice!
For there ARE a few bright fires still burning out amongst the battle hardened landscapes of PC and Molden Heath.
Corps such as the Phoenix Federation, Necromongers and Traky's WTF are refusing to lay down, refusing to submit. They should be applauded and commended for this attitude of theirs. For it will be corps like these that will comprise the vanguard of the new rebellion.
If one were to read a few of their member's recent posts here in the war room, one might believe that good fights are still being had and that players are even having FUN! Imagine that?
Maybe PC is not so dead after all ;-)))
With this said, I encourage CCP to raise the clone pack counts to 150, at a minimum and to open more districts. This will allow PC to flourish and allow the aforementioned corps and others like them to see a better return on their earnest attempts to stay in the mix.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
211
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Posted - 2014.04.08 17:35:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. And yet you are the same person. I don't see this as a justification. I understand that some players will always remain too ignorant to understand it. Ignorant? On the contrary my friend. Please explain to me how you can possibly keep your professionalism under the NDA rule and yet perform as an active player in the game, explain to me how this is not an issue and/or an unfair advantage. Please, I am not insulting or attacking you I'm just pointing out my opinion, do not insult my intelligence by calling me ignorant.
You sir, have never played table top RPG like dungeons and dragons its written all over your post.
There is a difference between an actor during its acting and the person that pays its taxes and goes to the toilet !
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
211
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Posted - 2014.04.08 17:43:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Cross posting this here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153939&find=unreadYou may not like me. I may have burned down you home in Molden Heath, but that doesn't mean we can't take a step back and look at some simple ways to make Planetary Conquest better. Please take a look at the linked thread and discuss the proposals and make some suggestions. Just note this is geared towards low bandwidth (developer time and resources) suggestions that can primarily be done in a hot fix. Thank you again for your thoughts and your time. htf are you still a CPM? What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. It seems there are some players that have trouble making that distinction still. As Kain Spero the player I will crush your corporation until there is nothing left. As David the CPM I will do everything in my power to make sure this game works as well as it can for the health of the community and the longevity of the game. Kain, I respect the accomplishments you've made in the game and I appreciate the fact that you are the most active in-game CPM we have (at least that I can tell). You clearly don't have any requirement to respond in this or any other thread and you have been engaging so again...i respect that. I guess my basic question is how do square your statement above with the very simple fact that the current state of PC that you've facilitated is in direct opposition to your comment that you want to do everything in you're power to make the game work, create a healthy community, and increase the lifespan of the game? Don't misunderstand me, I can easily seperate in-game vs out of game discussions and think that's actually part of the fun...what I am asking is where do you personnaly see your priorities given the conflict between the two diametrically opposed positions? At the moment...it would appear that you prioritize your in-game activities over your stated CPM goals. I know it's not as simple as that but wanted to tee up the question. As for advantages being the CPM maybe giving you...I don't believe that you are directly using your CPM position to gain adavantage but that doesn't mean that it doesn't inform your decisions in-game to some degree. That's normal and expected, I've heard more than one CSM member discuss this very thing and it's no different for Dust. There is fairly clear line about how this works and where it crosses into dangerous territory...I don't think you've crossed it but it doesn't change how folks can easily perceive that. Additionally...I actually think that quite a few of the more vocal a$$hats on the forums that happen to be in ERA, DNS, NF, ect really do want the best for the game. One on one they are can be great guys to talk with and share tactics, fits, or just squad up with and have fun and learn to from them. The majority of the folks don't see any of that and frankly all they see is the "in-game" posts or actions and that colors everyone's perceptions because that's the only reference they get. I'm not advocating anyone make a hokey PR push...just reminding you to consider that when engaging folks.
If it was not obvious yet, Kain and the other DNS dude are actually doing Research and Development on DUST, testing and stretching its limits as players, and for that I have their utmost respect because this game is still a Beta game. How else can we prevent disastrous consequence and unbalance when Dust is opened for all EVE planets ? Also, this downtime permits me to study for my finals :P
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3235
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:28:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Also, this downtime permits me to study for my finals :P
Best. Quote. Ever.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1875
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Posted - 2014.04.08 19:31:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Also, this downtime permits me to study for my finals :P
Best. Quote. Ever.
This should've really been AE's selling point on this whole thing. "We're relieving you of your districts so you can study up and do well on finals. We care about your education." Opportunity missed.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
3239
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Posted - 2014.04.09 14:28:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Opportunity missed.
Sad but true. Always can try to do better the next time!
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
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Eugene Killmore
Red Star.
EoN.
407
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Posted - 2014.04.09 17:13:00 -
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Everyone who is unhappy with the current state of PC needs to support kain speros proposed clone pack changes. Its the only way to have a competitive match without owning a district. Untill the clone pack changes are implemented it will be impossible to gain any ground vs DNS. So all you little guys really need to support this before it loses steam.
EoN. #1 alliance of ALL TIME undefeated in bloc warfare ;)
Forever repping that Red*Star 666 illuminati thug mafia.
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