Can you name a few?

PC needs to be entirely re-envisioned, not just suffer arbitrary fumbling with numbers like clone counts and ISK. The fact is PC is boring as hell and far too large an investment for people with lives outside of DUST.

What does this in turn promote? Well, exactly what we have right now. Massive blue donuts and conglomeration of all competent PC-worthy players into these megacorps.

It only makes sense, though. You can't possibly hope to own any territory as a corp unless you have at least 20-30+ competent players who are online A LOT and are willing to play at any given time. The circumstances revolving around deploying attacks/defending districts require a strict schedule of being online at certain times to take part in battles. If you happen to have a job or what have you and can't make it to that battle, your corp loses its territory and you're now stuck in Clone Pack land. There's no room for little guys in this game, and so you get blue donuts.

It's not like EVE where even if you're just a handful of guys you can go logon whenever and wreak some havoc in nullsec and still profit. No, in this game, you need 16 GOOD players at a SPECIFIC time on a CERTAIN day, and sometimes consecutively. Then you have cases like Nyain San's districts which are effectively unattackable due to their timers being set right after downtime. It's not feasible nor rewarding for the majority of players whatsoever. Increasing clone counts and reducing profits doesn't give incentive for the new guys.

PC is this: repetitive, laggy Skirmishes on pre-determined maps at pre-determined times vying for colored squares on a starmap that will ultimately function as ISK drills for your corp. There's no sense of consistency to it at all. No reward beyond ISK which can be easily made in other ventures. Nothing PC provides really shines and gives people that hope of "Yeah! I really need to train to get into PC so I can reap these rewards!" Dealing in petty politics and the frustration of getting people online to defend districts is not worth getting grey hairs over.

Like I said, PC needs to be re-envisioned to be made fun, not just have some numbers tweaked and declare "fixed!".

This guy is a joke, how full of yourself can you get.

Can confirm Kain hasn't any advantages !

Seriously, he goes 0/5 in our last CB


In a serious note, your ideas for PC are good but i think 80 millions is too much. I know its nothing for the old corps engaged in PC, but too much for new corps.

Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter.

I'm worried 60 might be so low that you end up with clone packs being spammed everywhere on both sides of the front. It's something to consider though.

One of the other goals of the 80m price is to ensure that locking by self attack with a clone pack is extremely expensive.

I have no problem with that.

But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player?

Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM.

I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other.

Are you telling me I should experience it? Or in general? Believe it or not some people actually enjoy competition on first person shooters.

PC needs to be entirely re-envisioned, not just suffer arbitrary fumbling with numbers like clone counts and ISK. The fact is PC is boring as hell and far too large an investment for people with lives outside of DUST.

What does this in turn promote? Well, exactly what we have right now. Massive blue donuts and conglomeration of all competent PC-worthy players into these megacorps.

It only makes sense, though. You can't possibly hope to own any territory as a corp unless you have at least 20-30+ competent players who are online A LOT and are willing to play at any given time. The circumstances revolving around deploying attacks/defending districts require a strict schedule of being online at certain times to take part in battles. If you happen to have a job or what have you and can't make it to that battle, your corp loses its territory and you're now stuck in Clone Pack land. There's no room for little guys in this game, and so you get blue donuts.

It's not like EVE where even if you're just a handful of guys you can go logon whenever and wreak some havoc in nullsec and still profit. No, in this game, you need 16 GOOD players at a SPECIFIC time on a CERTAIN day, and sometimes consecutively. Then you have cases like Nyain San's districts which are effectively unattackable due to their timers being set right after downtime. It's not feasible nor rewarding for the majority of players whatsoever. Increasing clone counts and reducing profits doesn't give incentive for the new guys.

PC is this: repetitive, laggy Skirmishes on pre-determined maps at pre-determined times vying for colored squares on a starmap that will ultimately function as ISK drills for your corp. There's no sense of consistency to it at all. No reward beyond ISK which can be easily made in other ventures. Nothing PC provides really shines and gives people that hope of "Yeah! I really need to train to get into PC so I can reap these rewards!" Dealing in petty politics and the frustration of getting people online to defend districts is not worth getting grey hairs over.

Like I said, PC needs to be re-envisioned to be made fun, not just have some numbers tweaked and declare "fixed!".

Kain the CPM, Kain the player

150 clones, the same as what the REST of this game is based on, should be returned as an option at the VERY least.

200 clone 'packs'? that is pretty much against the entire setup of Dust.

plus, with the exception of Radar and maybe 1 or 2 other corps, seriously who is gonna roll the dice on 80 million isk? for a single battle?

and in 99% of potential cases of the attacker actually winning, the auto-reup would ensure a loss.

150 clone packs need to return, and if your corp continues to use the excuse that you don't have enough clones with 150, then you better go back to the drawing board and rethink your strategy

120 is not enough, better than the 100 clone packs, but still not enough. 200 now places the advantage to the attacker, which should never be the case in the scenario of attacking vs defending...

I know I know... #logic has no place 'round here

I won't downplay the accomplishments of Kain, the universe is built around people like him, who try to control things by any means necessary. He in that respect he is to be acknowledged, but the bluing up an monopolization of Molden Heath is not a step in the right direction for the game as a whole. It may highlight PCs flaws but it doesn't change the fact that it alienates 99% of the playerbase from PC and allows the other 1% to amass unchecked wealth thus creating a greater imbalance for a future player market. Any changes to fix that can't be implemented fast enough to make it matter.

A lot of us figured this was going to happen from the start, and if it wasn't Kain it would have been someone else.

The sandbox of good fights will soon be gone, so what's the point of PC other than farming ISK?

Ignorant? On the contrary my friend.

Please explain to me how you can possibly keep your professionalism under the NDA rule and yet perform as an active player in the game, explain to me how this is not an issue and/or an unfair advantage.

Please, I am not insulting or attacking you I'm just pointing out my opinion, do not insult my intelligence by calling me ignorant.

I just don't think people that have worked so hard to become the top dogs are capable of seeing what needs to happen to get more people involved.

Do you guys want to only play each other? Well I guess play each other at some point after you've determined you've farmed enough ISK from the mother of all donuts.

Think about the number of players/corps that were participating in PC in June/July 2013 vs what we have right now. I'd conservatively guess 1/10th of the players were involved before you guys ended PC for the Dust community.

What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. It seems there are some players that have trouble making that distinction still.

As Kain Spero the player I will crush your corporation until there is nothing left.

As David the CPM I will do everything in my power to make sure this game works as well as it can for the health of the community and the longevity of the game.

The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game?

I hearby nominate you as the Monica Lewinsky to Kain's Bill Clinton

I'm not defending Kain the player, but as a CPM, he is pushing for more clones, more clones which I could attack him with and take his districts with. As a CPM he has taken the time to hear me out and my ideas about DUST, despite me attacking his districts and killing his pilots.

Why can't you people just grow up and be mature.

Shut up dude, I'm talking about Soraya. Why can't you people know how to take a joke? weirdo

We can take a joke, but you players keep getting butt hurt about Kain, then you wanna talk smack about Soraya, a stand up guy, that's how I know you're a loser.