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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:22:00 -
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Cross posting this here.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153939&find=unread
You may not like me. I may have burned down you home in Molden Heath, but that doesn't mean we can't take a step back and look at some simple ways to make Planetary Conquest better. Please take a look at the linked thread and discuss the proposals and make some suggestions. Just note this is geared towards low bandwidth (developer time and resources) suggestions that can primarily be done in a hot fix. Thank you again for your thoughts and your time.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:34:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Cross posting this here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153939&find=unreadYou may not like me. I may have burned down you home in Molden Heath, but that doesn't mean we can't take a step back and look at some simple ways to make Planetary Conquest better. Please take a look at the linked thread and discuss the proposals and make some suggestions. Just note this is geared towards low bandwidth (developer time and resources) suggestions that can primarily be done in a hot fix. Thank you again for your thoughts and your time.
htf are you still a CPM?
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:39:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Cross posting this here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153939&find=unreadYou may not like me. I may have burned down you home in Molden Heath, but that doesn't mean we can't take a step back and look at some simple ways to make Planetary Conquest better. Please take a look at the linked thread and discuss the proposals and make some suggestions. Just note this is geared towards low bandwidth (developer time and resources) suggestions that can primarily be done in a hot fix. Thank you again for your thoughts and your time. htf are you still a CPM?
What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. It seems there are some players that have trouble making that distinction still.
As Kain Spero the player I will crush your corporation until there is nothing left.
As David the CPM I will do everything in my power to make sure this game works as well as it can for the health of the community and the longevity of the game.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:40:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things.
And yet you are the same person. I don't see this as a justification.
You're telling me that Kain Spero the war monger has no help from David the CPM? Tell me how this is possible
The Sinwarden
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:41:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. And yet you are the same person. I don't see this as a justification.
I understand that some players will always remain too ignorant to understand it.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
1855
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:45:00 -
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The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game?
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:58:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. And yet you are the same person. I don't see this as a justification. I understand that some players will always remain too ignorant to understand it.
Ignorant? On the contrary my friend.
Please explain to me how you can possibly keep your professionalism under the NDA rule and yet perform as an active player in the game, explain to me how this is not an issue and/or an unfair advantage.
Please, I am not insulting or attacking you I'm just pointing out my opinion, do not insult my intelligence by calling me ignorant.
The Sinwarden
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
1856
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:00:00 -
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So, you suggest Spero should have to do tireless effort on your behalf to make the game better, and also not play it himself?
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:04:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win.
I have no problem with that.
But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player?
Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM.
I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other.
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1326
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:11:00 -
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It is a unique predicament. Unlike any other FPS in the history of console gaming.. this ducking game changes drastically every few months. Major changes, because it is in a perpetual beta. Can't say that doesn't throw a monkey wrench into the machine when you make the correlation between CPM/Player, there is the possibility of a conflict of interest, correct?
When I used to play battlefield, it was fun when the Dev's came in and played a few rounds with us.. some were beasts, others really sucked... but there was absolutely no way they had any advantage over the rest of the players. If there was such a thing as CPM in that game, and lets say a nerf to a weapon was on the horizon, it didn't mean ****. Why? Because the nerf affected everyone equally, nobody had to invest anything to unlock that weapon, nobody had to spend skill points, or purchase 1,000 copies that then became useless. Dust 514 is completely different.
Assuming big changes are on the horizon for PC, and knowledge is power, can you really blame anyone for raising an eyebrow at this juncture?
I gave up caring about PC (again).. just figured I would share the opinion of an outsider looking in the dunkin donuts window. lulz.
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
3192
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:13:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win. I have no problem with that. But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player? Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM. I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other.
Using my position as CPM for an in-game advantage goes against the core principles of the CPM, and if you feel that is the case submit a ticket to CCP and Internal Affairs can have a look at it.
Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter or run faster or make the troops sent into battle perform any better. My goal as a player is to win but not at the cost of my real life integrity. I'm bound to the CPM as a real person not a character in a game, which is what Kain is.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:13:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Assuming big changes are on the horizon for PC, and knowledge is power, can you really blame anyone for raising an eyebrow at this juncture?
Couldn't have said it better myself my friend.
The Sinwarden
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1326
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:19:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:
Using my position as CPM for an in-game advantage goes against the core principles of the CPM, and if you feel that is the case submit a ticket to CCP and Internal Affairs can have a look at it.
Quoted for truth.
And while I am guilty of participating in the derailment of this thread, and this conspiracy theory is kinda fun to toss around, Kane is still a human, another gamer, and I hope people can avoid trying to toss this idea around on the public forums. Submit a ticket about it already, post some evidence, or leave it be. For decency sake.
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:20:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:Assuming big changes are on the horizon for PC, and knowledge is power, can you really blame anyone for raising an eyebrow at this juncture? Couldn't have said it better myself my friend.
I can understand the concern. In all honestly most of the PC and Balance changes that are stuff like in this proposal should be openly discussed . I often push CCP to release information such as stat changes, PC changes, etc. as quickly as possible and actually engage the community. In all honestly almost none of the balancing in either Planetary Conquest or in match needs to be hidden in a black box of development. Big long term stuff makes sense for what is under NDA but not all the minutia of balance that in my opinion doesn't get revealed to the community until far too long in the process.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:21:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter or run faster or make the troops sent into battle perform any better.
I never said that, I never said that being CPM suddenly gives you gungame. But being CPM does give you access to information, valuable information. Now please answer me this, and hopefully as CPM you will answer this question that was put forward by an avid member of the community as truthfully as a member of CPM should;
Can you say that you have never divulged any sort of information, not available to anyone besides CCP and the members of CPM, to anyone in any way, shape or form, be that hints, clues, drunken blurts, whispers or anything of the sort?
Information is power Kain, you know that, I know you do. The information is in David the CPM's head, you're telling me is unavailable to Dust Player Kain Spero?
Dust is a long term game, all the battles are fought on the horizon and only a small amount of urgency is placed into every singular PC battle. I believe that your access to information allows you to be 2 steps ahead of the community and regardless of how much you try to convince us that CPM David and Kain Spero are separate and have no conflict of interest, I still find that hard to believe.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:25:00 -
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I too apologize for derailing the thread.
Read the linked post, those are good ideas +1
I'll make sure to bump that thread for visibility as well.
The Sinwarden
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad.
3193
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:26:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter or run faster or make the troops sent into battle perform any better. Can you say that you have never divulged any sort of information, not available to anyone besides CCP and the members of CPM, to anyone in any way, shape or form, be that hints, clues, drunken blurts, whispers or anything of the sort?
I sign my real life name on the NDA. That is my real life word and bond and you would have to kill me in real life before I broke that bond. That is not something I mess around with.
I would hope that anyone that is a CPM or considers being on CPM1 would feel the same way.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1468
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:28:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter or run faster or make the troops sent into battle perform any better. Can you say that you have never divulged any sort of information, not available to anyone besides CCP and the members of CPM, to anyone in any way, shape or form, be that hints, clues, drunken blurts, whispers or anything of the sort? I sign my real life name on the NDA. That is my real life word and bond and you would have to kill me in real life before I broke that bond. That is not something I mess around with. I would hope that anyone that is a CPM or considers being on CPM1 would feel the same way.
Alright then, I'm glad I have your public word on this matter. I look forward to the upcoming good fights and hope CCP implements your ideas for hot-fixing PC o7
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
1857
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:28:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius: Using NDA info to determine game choices is strictly against the rules. For instance, if he knows something is getting buffed, and stocks up on that in order to take advantage of the player market, or something, he'd be violating his CPM arrangement. He's not allowed to act in advance of it being public knowledge.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:35:00 -
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If Kain was exploiting some kinda code for being CPM he'd be a good player. He has many flaws like any other average joe. It just so happens he is in a corp with killers and not wasting his time elsewhere. If he had some kinda CPM advantage he would be going 100-0 every match. |
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1469
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:38:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius: Using NDA info to determine game choices is strictly against the rules. For instance, if he knows something is getting buffed, and stocks up on that in order to take advantage of the player market, or something, he'd be violating his CPM arrangement. He's not allowed to act in advance of it being public knowledge.
What I am suggesting is less that of using information in a blatantly obvious way as you described. But rather I see it as being able to stay one step ahead of the paradigm shift, which Dust is frankly all about. I have yet to hear someone explain to me how it is a person who has access to information, in a general sense, will not have his/her actions affected by the possession of said information? Do you see the distinction?
I am not suggesting Kain is violating NDA by blatantly taking advantage of his acquired information, rather the existence of said information and knowledge in his person has in itself affected his choices and course of actions, and it is something that is unavailable to every other player in the game.
I have yet to see someone explain to me how the information present in David the CPMs mind is inaccessible to Kain Spero the player, or rather; has no effect on choices Kain Spero makes as a member of the community who competes at the highest level in this game.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1469
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:40:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:If Kain was exploiting some kinda code for being CPM he'd be a good player. He has many flaws like any other average joe. It just so happens he is in a corp with killers and not wasting his time elsewhere. If he had some kinda CPM advantage he would be going 100-0 every match.
This is a naive comprehension of my point and not what I'm talking about at all. But yes I will agree he is surrounded by some top notch players such as yourself, that is definitely a factor.
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers
969
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:48:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:If Kain was exploiting some kinda code for being CPM he'd be a good player. He has many flaws like any other average joe. It just so happens he is in a corp with killers and not wasting his time elsewhere. If he had some kinda CPM advantage he would be going 100-0 every match. This is a naive comprehension of my point and not what I'm talking about at all. But yes I will agree he is surrounded by some top notch players such as yourself, that is definitely a factor.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
1857
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:50:00 -
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So, what you're saying is, you have no concrete evidence of any kind to suggest he's doing anything wrong, but since you aren't a CPM, you're going to try to define what essentially means "all CPM are inherently cheating" then instead?
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2967
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:17:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win. I have no problem with that. But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player? Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM. I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other.
Around my nan I am an angel.
Anywhere else I am me, an horrible **** who will fk you up and abuse my martial arts to do it quickly if you annoy me while I'm out. two different people in one mate.
Yes, I will use martial arts rain or shine, no fks ever given, ever. I am a really nice guy though.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
Dust for over a year, gaming for over 18 and counting.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
1470
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:30:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win. I have no problem with that. But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player? Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM. I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other. Around my nan I am an angel. Anywhere else I am me, an horrible **** who will fk you up and abuse my martial arts to do it quickly if you annoy me while I'm out. two different people in one mate. Yes, I will use martial arts rain or shine, no fks ever given, ever. I am a really nice guy though.
Doesn't change the fact that your apparent martial arts ability is innately in your head, only you yourself have the ability to decide when or when not to use it, that knowledge is inside of you and it has an effect on your choices.
A man who knows martial arts will approach a situation differently than a man who knows not how to defend themselves. Information, abundance or lack thereof, is the deciding factor.
And @ Soraya. The evidence, as you so call it, is out there but I have little intention to try and "legally" so to speak approach this, rather I am merely putting it out there for the community to read and decide for themselves. I feel like I'm discussing this with a bunch of lawyers, tbh.
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2968
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:41:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win. I have no problem with that. But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player? Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM. I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other. Around my nan I am an angel. Anywhere else I am me, an horrible **** who will fk you up and abuse my martial arts to do it quickly if you annoy me while I'm out. two different people in one mate. Yes, I will use martial arts rain or shine, no fks ever given, ever. I am a really nice guy though. Doesn't change the fact that your apparent martial arts ability is innately in your head, only you yourself have the ability to decide when or when not to use it, that knowledge is inside of you and it has an effect on your choices. A man who knows martial arts will approach a situation differently than a man who knows not how to defend themselves. Information, abundance or lack thereof, is the deciding factor. And @ Soraya. The evidence, as you so call it, is out there but I have little intention to try and "legally" so to speak approach this, rather I am merely putting it out there for the community to read and decide for themselves. I feel like I'm discussing this with a bunch of lawyers, tbh.
In films yeah, in RL though when someone wants a fight, words won't stop a fist. You have to remember the level of stupidity one must be filled with to go starting trouble anyway, there's no reasoning with an idiot.
I don't agree with a lot that goes on but there's a lot CCP could do so we are not trapped in the grind system. I remember them saying how other fps are like prisons in a way, well that's exactly how dust feels. Its grind or gfto and if we had quicker and reasonable ways to make isk then there'd be less problems. Just a dust only market would solve a lot, instead of grinding for about a year just to lose it all anyway, you could play the market. There'd be no real problem with losing because you'd be able to sustain your cops upkeep rather than grinding away at what your have.
Obviously corps that have been around since beta have most of the talent and isk, so the problems they face are just sprinkles when the real issues are quite fundamental.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
Dust for over a year, gaming for over 18 and counting.
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2968
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:42:00 -
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I'd also like to apologise if that went off topic at all, iv just smoked a joint Hahaha.
If you know what a telefrag match is, then I love you.
Dust for over a year, gaming for over 18 and counting.
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Maleficent Crabster
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The point is, as a player, he is doing what he can for the community, but in-game, he will still try to win. Why should he not try to win while playing a game?
Soraya Xel wrote:So, you suggest Spero should have to do tireless effort on your behalf to make the game better, and also not play it himself?
Soraya Xel wrote:So, what you're saying is, you have no concrete evidence of any kind to suggest he's doing anything wrong, but since you aren't a CPM, you're going to try to define what essentially means "all CPM are inherently cheating" then instead?
Does Kain Spero pay you to suck his **** so hard or is this something you do voluntarily? |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
1858
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Posted - 2014.04.05 22:50:00 -
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Maleficent Crabster wrote:Does Kain Spero pay you to suck his **** so hard or is this something you do voluntarily?
I merely have a far better understanding of the game, and am attempting to educate.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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