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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:40:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things.
And yet you are the same person. I don't see this as a justification.
You're telling me that Kain Spero the war monger has no help from David the CPM? Tell me how this is possible
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.04.05 19:58:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:What I do as a CPM and what I do as a player are two different things. And yet you are the same person. I don't see this as a justification. I understand that some players will always remain too ignorant to understand it.
Ignorant? On the contrary my friend.
Please explain to me how you can possibly keep your professionalism under the NDA rule and yet perform as an active player in the game, explain to me how this is not an issue and/or an unfair advantage.
Please, I am not insulting or attacking you I'm just pointing out my opinion, do not insult my intelligence by calling me ignorant.
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:04:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win.
I have no problem with that.
But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player?
Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM.
I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other.
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:13:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Assuming big changes are on the horizon for PC, and knowledge is power, can you really blame anyone for raising an eyebrow at this juncture?
Couldn't have said it better myself my friend.
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:21:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter or run faster or make the troops sent into battle perform any better.
I never said that, I never said that being CPM suddenly gives you gungame. But being CPM does give you access to information, valuable information. Now please answer me this, and hopefully as CPM you will answer this question that was put forward by an avid member of the community as truthfully as a member of CPM should;
Can you say that you have never divulged any sort of information, not available to anyone besides CCP and the members of CPM, to anyone in any way, shape or form, be that hints, clues, drunken blurts, whispers or anything of the sort?
Information is power Kain, you know that, I know you do. The information is in David the CPM's head, you're telling me is unavailable to Dust Player Kain Spero?
Dust is a long term game, all the battles are fought on the horizon and only a small amount of urgency is placed into every singular PC battle. I believe that your access to information allows you to be 2 steps ahead of the community and regardless of how much you try to convince us that CPM David and Kain Spero are separate and have no conflict of interest, I still find that hard to believe.
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:25:00 -
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I too apologize for derailing the thread.
Read the linked post, those are good ideas +1
I'll make sure to bump that thread for visibility as well.
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:28:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Being a CPM doesn't make me shoot straighter or run faster or make the troops sent into battle perform any better. Can you say that you have never divulged any sort of information, not available to anyone besides CCP and the members of CPM, to anyone in any way, shape or form, be that hints, clues, drunken blurts, whispers or anything of the sort? I sign my real life name on the NDA. That is my real life word and bond and you would have to kill me in real life before I broke that bond. That is not something I mess around with. I would hope that anyone that is a CPM or considers being on CPM1 would feel the same way.
Alright then, I'm glad I have your public word on this matter. I look forward to the upcoming good fights and hope CCP implements your ideas for hot-fixing PC o7
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:38:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius: Using NDA info to determine game choices is strictly against the rules. For instance, if he knows something is getting buffed, and stocks up on that in order to take advantage of the player market, or something, he'd be violating his CPM arrangement. He's not allowed to act in advance of it being public knowledge.
What I am suggesting is less that of using information in a blatantly obvious way as you described. But rather I see it as being able to stay one step ahead of the paradigm shift, which Dust is frankly all about. I have yet to hear someone explain to me how it is a person who has access to information, in a general sense, will not have his/her actions affected by the possession of said information? Do you see the distinction?
I am not suggesting Kain is violating NDA by blatantly taking advantage of his acquired information, rather the existence of said information and knowledge in his person has in itself affected his choices and course of actions, and it is something that is unavailable to every other player in the game.
I have yet to see someone explain to me how the information present in David the CPMs mind is inaccessible to Kain Spero the player, or rather; has no effect on choices Kain Spero makes as a member of the community who competes at the highest level in this game.
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.04.05 20:40:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:If Kain was exploiting some kinda code for being CPM he'd be a good player. He has many flaws like any other average joe. It just so happens he is in a corp with killers and not wasting his time elsewhere. If he had some kinda CPM advantage he would be going 100-0 every match.
This is a naive comprehension of my point and not what I'm talking about at all. But yes I will agree he is surrounded by some top notch players such as yourself, that is definitely a factor.
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.04.05 21:30:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:In-game, he will still try to win. I have no problem with that. But your speaking as if he is able to split his personality into two distinct people yet I find this impossible to believe. He is a CPM and a player and you're telling me there is no way for him to use his position as CPM, i.e his access to information that I will say over and over again; is the most valuable commodity I know, to positively affect his performance as a player? Help me understand how you could possibly have no advantage over other players such as, for example myself, by being a competitive player (high level competition at that) and also a CPM. I'm not saying he's dipping into CPM's code bank and changing ****, I actually respect that fact that Kain and his allies have managed to do what they did, it takes a lot of work to do so. All I'm saying is; was it done in a manner of fair sportsmanship? In that neither party had an advantage over the other. Around my nan I am an angel. Anywhere else I am me, an horrible **** who will fk you up and abuse my martial arts to do it quickly if you annoy me while I'm out. two different people in one mate. Yes, I will use martial arts rain or shine, no fks ever given, ever. I am a really nice guy though.
Doesn't change the fact that your apparent martial arts ability is innately in your head, only you yourself have the ability to decide when or when not to use it, that knowledge is inside of you and it has an effect on your choices.
A man who knows martial arts will approach a situation differently than a man who knows not how to defend themselves. Information, abundance or lack thereof, is the deciding factor.
And @ Soraya. The evidence, as you so call it, is out there but I have little intention to try and "legally" so to speak approach this, rather I am merely putting it out there for the community to read and decide for themselves. I feel like I'm discussing this with a bunch of lawyers, tbh.
The Sinwarden
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:29:00 -
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Cubs Secretary wrote:Kain the CPM, Kain the player
They're still the same Kain. All I read are people trying to distinguish between these apparently different people and yet they are the same person, who have access to the same behaviors, emotions, personality traits and knowledge. The same brain.
You all say that, despite they are in fact the same person, there is absolutely no way the knowledge gained by Kain as CPM cannot be used by Kain the pin up doll. This is your word against mine, his word agains the communities. In the end this gets us nowhere because if you want to get all "legal environment' on me lets face it my pretty secretary lady; you are biased, and ergo so am I.
I am simply dealing with issues of the cognitive variety; they are the same person and they share the same "knowledge bank", no one else has equal advantage to what he knows, because it is impossible for me to know what he does, simple fact. Frankly, I see this as a fault of CCP tbh, if only everything the CPM gets to know gets immediately divulged to the community, but that is not the case.
Maybe all CEO's and poster boys who are actively playing Dust's top level competitive environment; Planetary Conquest, should be a CPM
The Sinwarden
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