The main thing I find wrong with it is that you can't really make a caldari-purist one that makes sense.

Unless caldari scouts are meant to use their scanning to watch their squad's back while standing with them.

The main thing I find wrong with it is that you can't really make a caldari-purist one that makes sense.

Unless caldari scouts are meant to use their scanning to watch their squad's back while standing with them.

The only thing the gal scout has in favor over the other suits is one really useful skill bonus and one partly and the repair. The highest amount of HP can still achieve the Amarr scout...

Compared to the cal scout the suit is rather meh, buts its funny that everyone is complaining about the gal scout especially when they are saying he has the highest eHP...this shows the lack of game knowledge these folks have.

The Cal scout is amazing and from my experience the most used scout suit so far

Is innately wrong.

Something to do with its'
Hitbox, strafing %, or just simply its' fitting freedom.

SOMETHING is OP about this.

I ran a basic Caldari Light frame today, testing out the fits thag were killin me the most to figure out WHY AN HMG WITH 2 DMG MODS CANNOT KILL A CALSCOUT BEFORE HE SHOTGUNS ME FROM 15m AWAY.
/rant end, now to be objective.

In my min scout, i can't strafe 6m away from a heavy/Hmg combo and win.
In my unbonused Caldari frame however, only Proto HMG's have a chance to kill me.

I'm not exaggerating either.
Mh-82's never killed me.
duvole Ar's never killed me.
ACR's never touched me.

I had a tank of 380 or so shield, ran Bk-42(standard light frame)

I consistently did better than my Advanced Minscout/Galscout or my proto MinCommando.


CCP i'm not going to shout 'THIS IS OP!' But i want you to double check your numbers, please.

Also can we have a confirmation the CalScout doesn't have a smaller hitbox than the Min?

...and your testimony is more valid, why?

Is innately wrong.

Something to do with its'
Hitbox, strafing %, or just simply its' fitting freedom.

SOMETHING is OP about this.

I ran a basic Caldari Light frame today, testing out the fits thag were killin me the most to figure out WHY AN HMG WITH 2 DMG MODS CANNOT KILL A CALSCOUT BEFORE HE SHOTGUNS ME FROM 15m AWAY.
/rant end, now to be objective.

In my min scout, i can't strafe 6m away from a heavy/Hmg combo and win.
In my unbonused Caldari frame however, only Proto HMG's have a chance to kill me.

I'm not exaggerating either.
Mh-82's never killed me.
duvole Ar's never killed me.
ACR's never touched me.

I had a tank of 380 or so shield, ran Bk-42(standard light frame)

I consistently did better than my Advanced Minscout/Galscout or my proto MinCommando.


CCP i'm not going to shout 'THIS IS OP!' But i want you to double check your numbers, please.

Also can we have a confirmation the CalScout doesn't have a smaller hitbox than the Min?

See this is the thing that's making me curious, it's only to Level 1, and i have an easier time playing it than my Adv gal/min scouts.

It just seems like SOMETHING isn't right- checked stats and compared to my Min, and there doesn't seem anything ridiculously wrong.(aside from the typical Caldari theme of 'it's caldari, so we have better everything shield related to your minmatar')

Is innately wrong.

Something to do with its'
Hitbox, strafing %, or just simply its' fitting freedom.

SOMETHING is OP about this.

I ran a basic Caldari Light frame today, testing out the fits thag were killin me the most to figure out WHY AN HMG WITH 2 DMG MODS CANNOT KILL A CALSCOUT BEFORE HE SHOTGUNS ME FROM 15m AWAY.
/rant end, now to be objective.

In my min scout, i can't strafe 6m away from a heavy/Hmg combo and win.
In my unbonused Caldari frame however, only Proto HMG's have a chance to kill me.

I'm not exaggerating either.
Mh-82's never killed me.
duvole Ar's never killed me.
ACR's never touched me.

I had a tank of 380 or so shield, ran Bk-42(standard light frame)

I consistently did better than my Advanced Minscout/Galscout or my proto MinCommando.


CCP i'm not going to shout 'THIS IS OP!' But i want you to double check your numbers, please.

Also can we have a confirmation the CalScout doesn't have a smaller hitbox than the Min?

The Cal Scout works better as a shield tanker than an assault, given its strafing capabilities without regular armor plates.

Perfect for rapid succession 1v1s, but ive even ran through entire teams with this scout cloaked without a scratch. Even managed to pop off the cloak for some Ishukune Nova knife fun.


It is just a combination of things that make this suit very special.

- over 450+ possible shields on a proto suit
- 50HP/s shield regen with like insanely short shield recharge delay times.
- passive scans that are able to pick up about 95% of the players around you at all times, allowing you to position perfectly before attacking.

You have yourself a velociraptor, not a dropsuit. You can't see it coming, it knows where you and your lil buddies are at about 30ft. It will pick you off from the back of your squad without anyone even hearing you scream for help.

And then it's cloaked again, which is why it works so well right off the bat. Giving the suit time to regen what makes up more than 80% of the suits HP.

Damage mods are nerfed to the point where shield extenders are just the best viable option when coupled with insta kill type weapons.

The suit can stay under radar from almost every type of scanner with just a couple of dampeners


So I see it as a combination of everything that makes it so versatile.

The Cal assault and logi both can shield tank better, but the scout variant can dodge fluxes and rapid fire weapons alot better. So the craftiness and skill of the player are what really bring out it's potential.

The main thing I can say is that since the massdriver works very well against the cloaked scout, it works not sooooo much as well against the Cal scout because of it's massive amount of shields, which may be able to take a hit from a mass driver, giving alot of scouts the chance to run away and come right back at you 10 seconds later with practically a fresh suit.

I haven't run a strafe race with the Calscout, but it -feels- like it's not strafing at thr 95% it should.
Feels more like a 98% or something. Again this is all my opinion, but no other scout gives me these problems.

Even 900hp galscouts are possible to kill.

Since when can a scout stand 20m away, strafe in a 2-3m wide area, and dodge 85-90% of my HMG's shots?

He doesn't 'appear' to even move out of my crosshairs.

Naturally though, because i can't kill something, means i'm a bad player.

Just seems offset.

in 1.8,

the player makes the suit, the suit doesn't make the player.

As a cal scout i can fight and kill many players, but, many players can kill me just as easy. As a scout i know what i must do before each encounter and if i don't prepare for that i don't come out alive. When i run my assault alt I "stay aware, stay alive" for scout encounters. I no longer run around without checking my back or running without teammates. I move slower using cover and I am always on the look for shimmers or distortions.

When i encoutner a scout... sometimes i win, sometimes i lose, if i get complacent, i get dead. sry dude i just think a lot of players are going through some pains with the new content. give it time if your still having issues 20 days from now, you know when this stuff has actually been out for a month. Then maybe its time to address it.

Ah, good sir. I run a Gal scout.
I hack fast.
I run fast.
I run long.
I am not seen.
I scan (well, when I bother equipping my poor little camera).

My low slots do not always contribute to my HP, and for that, I loves it so much. Options are good, though, and Caldari does look shiny. But do not judge scouts by the ones you shoot at all day. Remember there are many of us in the shadows...

Honestly, for SCOUTING, Gal scout is awesome.

But for combat, nothing beats the Cal Scout.

I think we are using two very different suits....

I think caldari scouts have been killing you a bit too much cause you don't know how to cloak or use dampeners.

Btw, brink tanking vs a cal scout is a stupid move

i use the scout ck0 and i would die if a heavy melees me less than 300 hp

so i call your post a BS... I have a gal scout too... learn to play the strengths and weaknesses of each suit. Before calling anything OP (Just cause you dont have it) it's a bit lame

It can see better than anyone else !!!! HOw the hell is it the same as a Min scout ?!

I'm not going to go right out and say something is OP. About it, or that 'This is broken, fix X!' As i don't know what X is.

However i'm curious.

How many fittings bugs did we have?(Lp ak.0 commando, with 3 weapons)(caldari and Amarr scouts having no skill requirements)

They could have easily messed something up with the Calscouts numbers- Strafe % of walk speed, damage %(how much of Lw fire you take(tanks have this as like 14 or something))
I'm just asking CCP if everything is alrifht and bug free.

Is innately wrong.

Something to do with its'
Hitbox, strafing %, or just simply its' fitting freedom.

SOMETHING is OP about this.

I ran a basic Caldari Light frame today, testing out the fits thag were killin me the most to figure out WHY AN HMG WITH 2 DMG MODS CANNOT KILL A CALSCOUT BEFORE HE SHOTGUNS ME FROM 15m AWAY.
/rant end, now to be objective.

In my min scout, i can't strafe 6m away from a heavy/Hmg combo and win.
In my unbonused Caldari frame however, only Proto HMG's have a chance to kill me.

I'm not exaggerating either.
Mh-82's never killed me.
duvole Ar's never killed me.
ACR's never touched me.

I had a tank of 380 or so shield, ran Bk-42(standard light frame)

I consistently did better than my Advanced Minscout/Galscout or my proto MinCommando.


CCP i'm not going to shout 'THIS IS OP!' But i want you to double check your numbers, please.

Also can we have a confirmation the CalScout doesn't have a smaller hitbox than the Min?

If you're an idiot that stands still or tries to tank a Hmg heavy in one go.

Also using statements like 'i killed someone in a calscout/i die in calscouts' as testaments to how they're NOT inherently powerful is not a valid argument.

I could say 'Lol scramblers aren't that good, i die in every fight i use tem in!'
I could simply be standing still in a minscout, or not shooting at all just to prove some ridiculous point.

When 1 caldari scout can mop the floor with 5-6 guys in a row, there's something to be double checking.

There is something funny going on with the Cal scout. I can't put my finger on it yet, but someone else suggested that perhaps the cal scout is getting some kind of damage profile reduction. Don't know if this is right but it is a possible explanation.

Perhaps it has something to do with values we can't easily observe, like hitbox size, strafe speed, auto aim etc.