I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

I agree that shotguns and cloaks are a problem and cheap. Every other weapon is fine because you don't have that instagank ability.

They need to restrict shotgun usage and cloaks.

Only the shotgun needs fixing...

Like planetside 2...

Uncloaking sends your cloak energy to 0%. You can only use it again when it gets back to 100%. Fixed.

Uncloaking sends your cloak energy to 0%. You can only use it again when it gets back to 100%. Fixed.

It's not even the shotgun honestly, hasn't changed much at all, it's more the way you can uncloak and shoot that's causing it.

Only the shotgun needs fixing...

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

The shotgun already got a RoF nerf this patch. It doesn't need more "fixing"

Only way to stop the qq
Then again I like having the stuff in my sig....
Check my sig for sweet stuff

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

The shotgun already got a RoF nerf this patch. It doesn't need more "fixing"

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

What makes you think the QQ will ever stop? If you give a mouse a cookie...

People are QQ'ing because the Scout suddenly is good and can challenge them. They don't like that and want it nerfed back "into its place". Scouts are the black people of Dust... descrimination I tell ya!

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

Uncloaking sends your cloak energy to 0%. You can only use it again when it gets back to 100%. Fixed.

I actually agree with this. Cloak at basic has a 10sec cloak time and 10 second recharge. Adv 20 and 10 proto 30 and 10
After 5 seconds you can recloak but you are rewarded for having the higher tier cloaks. Cloaking indefinetly right now is pretty fun but is game breaking.

**** no terrible idea

1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get kill in moments (no tank because cloak + KinCats)
4) Respawn and this time get killed before even having time to cloak
5) Repeat

Playing with it the other day I learned you really have to use the cloak more as a profile dampener than an invisibility cloak.

Moving makes you plenty visible, so much so that I consider it more a paint scheme than great camouflage. Treat it that way and you'll be far more effective with it. Toss a complex profile dampener on top of a cloaked GAL and you should run under everyone's radar. Then stay out of direct sight as you would with no cloak.

Why because you would go back to sucking. If you knew you wouldn't be able to immediately cloak back up after you ran behind 4 people would you decloak? Assault scouts wouldn't be a problem. You also would then have to actually manage your cloak for maximum effectiveness not; spawn in, cloak up run to reds, uncloak kill, cloak up, find more reds, decloak kill.

The cloak shouldn't be a crutch like it is right now it should be a equipment that when used right amplifies a particular role. Higher tiers should also be better at amplifying however I use the adv cloak because the proto is a waste of fitting space.

You will have a 8.75db profile while using a proto skilled Gal Scout with a single complex damp while cloaked. Uncloaked I found using only 1 complex damp will still get you seen by any Cal Scout running 2 Complex Precision Enhancers. If you don't want to use a cloak you need to run 2 Complex Damps to stay under Cal Scout's passive radar.

Tldr because noob here thinks I need crutch
10 seconds for basic, NO ONE would ever use it, its way too ahort, get good use your eyea.

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

I agree that shotguns and cloaks are a problem and cheap. Every other weapon is fine because you don't have that instagank ability.

They need to restrict shotgun usage and cloaks.

I agree that shotguns and cloaks are a problem and cheap. Every other weapon is fine because you don't have that instagank ability.

They need to restrict shotgun usage and cloaks.

[quote=jerrmy12 kahoalii][quote=stlcarlos989]

The shotgun already got a RoF nerf this patch. It doesn't need more "fixing"

It's not even the shotgun honestly, hasn't changed much at all, it's more the way you can uncloak and shoot that's causing it.

Too much penalty on cloaks. 25-50% sounds right, imagine standing around in the open butt-naked for a 30 seconds sourrounded by eneimes after you've decloaked and you're trying to evade.

Only the shotgun needs fixing...

Too much penalty on cloaks. 25-50% sounds right, imagine standing around in the open butt-naked for a 30 seconds sourrounded by eneimes after you've decloaked and you're trying to evade.

Upgrading "Eyes" and "Situational Awareness" to Level 5 works wonders for fixing this problem

If the person involved turned around and looked behind them they would see the shimmer racing at them easily.

15 seconds for a basic link. 30% armour pick up. Rep tool of 30 armour per second. Nanohive that breaks after a single made. Scanner that can't even detect assaults. If that's your argument that no one will use it explain why all basic equip suck and people still use them.

Upgrading "Eyes" and "Situational Awareness" to Level 5 works wonders for fixing this problem

If the person involved turned around and looked behind them they would see the shimmer racing at them easily.

It's not like cloaks can't be put on other suits. An shotguns are not op. If I get within 5 meters of you and it takes two shots to kill you (1 if you have a horrible fit) then I deserve the kill. The shotgun is the most risk/ reward weapon in the game. If I get the drop on you, yay me. If you see me first and don't kill me then you are probably a bad player.

Playing with it the other day I learned you really have to use the cloak more as a profile dampener than an invisibility cloak.

Moving makes you plenty visible, so much so that I consider it more a paint scheme than great camouflage. Treat it that way and you'll be far more effective with it. Toss a complex profile dampener on top of a cloaked GAL and you should run under everyone's radar. Then stay out of direct sight as you would with no cloak.

I see your "most risk/reward weapon in the game" and raise you my knives. Both before the cloak and now.


IMO the cloak should be:
Basic: 30 sec active, 20 sec recharge, 25% damp.
Adv: 45 sec active, 30 sec recharge, 30% damp.
Pro: 60 sec active, 40 sec recharge, 35% damp.
Cannot use grenade, R1, or L3 for 2 sec after dropping cloak.

Only the shotgun needs fixing...

Cloak would be fine if you had to manually deactivate it before switch to a gun and shoot.

My suggestion:

1.-You're cloaked.
2.-You deactivate the cloak manually, then switch to gun/equipment (recognizable sound effect that could warn the enemy if you're too close)
3.-Fire/use, then cloak again.

Whereas:

1.-You're cloaked
2.-You switch and fire
3.-Your cloak depletes completely
4.- you have to wait until at least half is recharged before cloaking again.


BALANCED.

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

I'm going to bed, but this was so ridiculous i had to comment on it.

1- you're cloaked
2- you lack the awareness required to hack objective or run across vast open terrain without checking surroundings yet you don't need too.
3- objective hacked, or crossed the open terrain and you're poor decision is rewarded and you are able to do something when when the decision to do it is wrong and should have been punished.

1- you're cloaked
2- instead of flanking you, take on a target head on. The cloak provides the advantage you require to get off the first shot, and you down an opponent even when you're gameplay is ****.
3- you think you're good cause you can kill someone, you are happy and love cloaks. You lack the skill required to move around the map strategically so you suck without a cloak, but it's not required anymore to use skill so you are doing great.

1- you're not cloaked
2- you use strategy and movement to properly identify a target, you use movement to get behind him and you proceed to close the distance between you with your movement and kill him.
3- he never sees you because you use speed, stealth, movement, strategy and thought and yet you killed him anyways. Omg, this isn't 1.8 - scouts couldn't possibly have been used by anyone and got kills before a cloak was released.


You're cape makes up for your crappy gameplay, you're lack of skill, you're terribly decision making process in pathing or which targets to engage. A cloak is a crutch used to cover your poor gameplay and lowers the chance you are punished for it.. And all the while provides an easy mode in offensive engagements. Cloaks aren't required to kill someone, scouts were fine before 1.8 so why all this denial. Well most scouts weren't good and the other half are former Logi slagers are looking for a massive advantage in gameplay when their play doesn't dictate such High rewards for such poor play.

You don't need a cloak to be good, you need to learn and okay smart. Players want easy mode and want to be rewarded like children for doing anything. Last place trophies for being **** but using a cloak to kill someone you shouldn't have. Its a crutch that is not required for a scout to excel. It detracts from skill, rewards idiots who charge the front lines and even worst a players mistakes do not cost him. It does everything you need and turns off skill.

What makes you think the QQ will ever stop? If you give a mouse a cookie...

People are QQ'ing because the Scout suddenly is good and can challenge them. They don't like that and want it nerfed back "into its place". Scouts are the black people of Dust... descrimination I tell ya!

Pretty much. It was a problem there and it's a problem here.

In my opinion the only weapon that should be able to instagank at cqc and be able to fit with a cloak are knives.

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

Wow, there are people actually saying that the shotguns are broken, not cloaks... Just wow.

Shotguns are fine! They're suppose to do high damage at close range! How could you ever fathom to claim that shotguns are broken for doing what shotguns were meant to do! You're that desperate to defend cloaks your brining your brain farts to the table?! Really!?

You know who you are, feel bad.

Tldr because noob here thinks I need crutch
10 seconds for basic, NO ONE would ever use it, its way too ahort, get good use your eyea.

Pretty much. It was a problem there and it's a problem here.

In my opinion the only weapon that should be able to instagank at cqc and be able to fit with a cloak are knives.

The cloak should increase profile dramatically and buff assault scan range to 15. With this a scout has to choose between sneaking up cloaked and be on the radar or completely visible and off radar

sounds interesesting but then they would have to be completely invisible and without shimmer or else there would be no point

1- you're cloaked
2- your enemies lack the awareness required to see a shimmery blue thing next to a flashing objective marker that's clearly in the process of being hacked or fail to see a bright glowing blue figure run across vast open terrain
3- objective hacked, or crossed the open terrain and the enemy's poor observation skills are punished and you are able to do something when when the decision to do it was risky and could have been punished.

1- you're cloaked
2- instead of flanking, you take on a target head on. Their lack of observation skills provides the advantage you require to get off the first shot, and you down an opponent even when your gameplay is ****.
3- you realise you were lucky cause you killed someone who should have seen you coming, you are happy and love cloaks.

1- you're not cloaked
2- you use strategy and movement to properly identify a target, you use movement to get behind him and you proceed to close the distance between you with your movement and kill him.
3- he never sees you because you use speed, stealth, movement, strategy and thought and yet you killed him anyways. Omg, this isn't 1.8 - scouts couldn't possibly have been used by anyone and got kills before a cloak was released.

You are cape makes up for your crappy gameplay, you are lack of skill, you are terribly decision making process in pathing or which targets to engage.

Cloaks aren't required to kill someone, scouts were fine before 1.8

I Wrote something like this on another thread before..
As it is now, cloak is not that useful in doing what it was meant for (infliltrate/evade) and way too good in killing people.
At the same time it's too good vs randoms, not exactly vs organized teams.
If a good squad is holding a point you won't be able to infiltrate because you're still visible. (you can obviously do that in other ways, but so what's the point in running a cloack instead of any other piece of equipment?)
If a enemy spots you from a distance, the cloak mechanics "suggest" you to stop to become fully invisible instead of running at full speed to get to cover / get away.

What I found abot this equipment is that it helps you a lot vs "random deaths" (rail rifle spotting you 80 meters away etc.) and stuff like this, which isn't bad at all XD, but i have no "new options".
I play exactly as I was doing in 1.7. Only difference is now I can too many times engage enemies without flanking them.
And this is bad.

I think the mechanics of the cloak should be inverted.
You're a scout, you have to run in order to get a bonus, not to stay still
Something like: You are COMPLETELY invisible till you sprint (enemy crosshairs will still become red if they get you), you appear as you start moving at lower speed (This will give some more bonus to amarr, which are suffering a little from other scouts bonuses).
This will also reward fitting cardios instead of brick tanking while cloaked. I don't care if you brick tank your scout, I mean, it's yours... but a lot of tank + cloak is game breaking.. tried it on day 1 on gal adv, no need to think how to engage a enemy.
Obviously this cloack should have HUGE cpu/pg requirements. You should be barely able to defend yourself if spotted.
And cloackin time should be a lot shorter. you should use this tool if you need to, not to be perma-cloaked.
You should actually think WHEN and WHY activating the cloack could be useful.
Like: cloack yourself, bypassing those 6 enemies holding the objective, get to a safe point, de-cloak, throw down uplinks to flank the enemy, re-cloak and run away.
Or: a enemy spots you and start shooting, you activate your cloak (if you still have charge, because this way cloaks will effectively run out of charge if you use them too much) and so you have 10-15 secs to get to cover.
I think this way would be more useful in infiltrating/evading and less in slaying.
Slaying is something you should do when visible.

Now you can't do that because when cloacked you're still to visible. But with the current mechanics you HAVE to be a little visible.

The cloaking field has changed the game for the worst. It made it so that using a medium suit is worthless. I mean, you can make an assassin scout for less than 20-ISk where as a decent medium frame runs close to 40k ISK. My gallente LogI runs close to 45 ISK. This means that every time I get kill it hurts where as when I play as a scout I don't care as much because lets face it, most scout suits are disposable. This is common complaint that I have heard from everybody. Medium frame are useless because of expense and no way to defend themselves against a cloaked scout. Well, yes, in an open field you can see them but on any other map you are SOL. This is not a balance game. I don't know what the proper solution to the problem is but here are a few of my suggestions. Before I get into it I want to say that the cloaking thing is uber cool but, it is just abused and unbalances the game.

Here are my suggestions to improve the game. Not all of them have to be implemented. Take them as option or group them together. In no particular order.

#1 Reduce the time the cloaking field stays on. My suggestions is 20 seconds for basic 40s for advance and 60s for proto. This will reduce camping. Also promotes people spending ISK on higher tier cloaking devices. Right now the basic one is all you need since 30s is enough to get in kill, hack an objective and still get out.

#2 Raise the cost of the cloaking device. The basic level is only about 2k isk. a gallente scout at level 5 suit (yet using basic scout suit) level 5 dampening field a shot gun and a profile dampener with the cloaking device is all you need. That would run you somewhere 12k ISK. If you die as a scout it doesn't hurt at all. Raise the price of the cloaking device to 8K or 10K and then you will see players begin to act more tactical.

#3 Improve the scanning tool. Along the bonus for using advance levels should be the scan angle. basic should say at 60, advance at 120 and proto at 180 degrees or something like that. Everything else can stay the same even the not being able to do the scanerina and the delay time.

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

Only problem is the speed of decloak, theres been times i switch to weapon and the cloak stays for a good 2-4 seconds

You could do this before cloaks with damps, kin cat, a shotgun, and some patience. If you get behind them the cloak doesn't matter. Just stay off their radar and line of sight. Nothing to do with cloaks. Try it without the cloaks same result. Everyone quit yer belly achin'.

Well me uncloaking and shooting a magsec isnt a problem...

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

The cloak should increase profile dramatically and buff assault scan range to 15. With this a scout has to choose between sneaking up cloaked and be on the radar or completely visible and off radar

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

I can switch to the SG and fire the first shot before the cloak wears off and re-cloak without any cooldown because it never gets anywhere near 50%. I'm sure its even more insane with SP in shotguns, something needs to be done to balance it. I'm not sure what the best option is but I'm gonna go ahead and abuse this fit until something is done.

I used a dren shotgun (with no SP in shotguns), an advanced cloak field, and some kin cats... what a joke.
1) Spot an enemy
2) Cloak
3) Get behind them in moments (10.01 m/s sprint)
4) De-cloak and Shotgun them in back
5) Repeat

Yeah, you felt special didn't you? All of a sudden enabled? Skilled?

You have proven why this and anything like it in the game (cough, rail mil tanks, cough) are BS and immediately nullify anything up to now that has been developed for this game.


I think the situation is obvious. CCP FAILED BY TRYING TO IMPLEMENT EVE MECHANICS INTO THIS KIDDIE CONSOLE GAME!

They are now backing down and thinning the herd of any serious players that would have supported their continued efforts. Good deal CCP. THE DUMBF*CKS win.