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Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 22	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:10:00 - [1] - Quote There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT .
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 943	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:12:00 - [2] - Quote I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot
Virtual Riot Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 250	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:13:00 - [3] - Quote if isk was too easy to make for the average joe, ccp wouldn't have a business model
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 22	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:16:00 - [4] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: if isk was too easy to make for the average joe, ccp wouldn't have a business model Sad thing is if things don't change ccp isn't going to have a game that is only my opinion.
Grit Breather Cannonfodder PMC 1093	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:17:00 - [5] - Quote You just described the USA. "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." GÇò Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1158	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:19:00 - [6] - Quote If I can make money flying proto pythons (even pre-1.7), no one has an excuse. Me in my ADS: 1,2
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 22	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:21:00 - [7] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: You just described the USA. And like the 1% in America they have so many excuses why the 99% are broke and don't care at all. all that matters to them "ccp"is making money.
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 351	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:23:00 - [8] - Quote Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. FW lvl10 reward Mobile Redlines Default FWRace
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1182	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:24:00 - [9] - Quote I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something?
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1649	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:25:00 - [10] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so hold on a second....... 1% of people are wealthy, while the other 99% of people aren't, yet MOST people run Proto....... That's a bit of a paradox isn't it? Most people cant afford to play yet most people run proto....... Or maybe, cheap 20k isk suits are just too hard to work with? Oh wait, i went 25-2 with one last night, and repeatedly got results like that with a suit that only cost that much. Marston VC, STB Director

Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 148	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:25:00 - [11] - Quote Spent over 20 million this update and its only been like 3 days into the update.... Im at 34 mill, gotta run basics for a while, seeing as how i dont have any BPOs
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1411	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:27:00 - [12] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise.
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 2096	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:28:00 - [13] - Quote DOWN WITH THE 1% FAT CATS! OCCUPY JITA! I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 23	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:29:00 - [14] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff having no Isk sucks and all of you out there that say its great are lying or you must have a lot of money like I said if you have money or are in a rich corp do not comment because we don't care.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12696	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:29:00 - [15] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Losing 2 million isk in pubs is far from uncommon for me. The more stuff trying to shoot down my Incubus, the more likely I am to deploy again and attempt to overcome the wall of death closing in around me. #stubbornaf My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 23	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:31:00 - [16] - Quote low genius wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise. How can you play other wise put on a starter suit and hide for the game that's not fun everyone is running proto and if people say other wise I don't think your playing the game
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 23	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:33:00 - [17] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so hold on a second....... 1% of people are wealthy, while the other 99% of people aren't, yet MOST people run Proto....... That's a bit of a paradox isn't it? Most people cant afford to play yet most people run proto....... Or maybe, cheap 20k isk suits are just too hard to work with? Oh wait, i went 25-2 with one last night, and repeatedly got results like that with a suit that only cost that much. Hey good for you man
Marston VC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1650	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:34:00 - [18] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: low genius wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise. How can you play other wise put on a starter suit and hide for the game that's not fun everyone is running proto and if people say other wise I don't think your playing the game Everyone is poor but everyone can run proto. I think YOU SIR aren't playing the game if that line makes sense to you...... Marston VC, STB Director
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 490	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:34:00 - [19] - Quote your a bit off there. if 99% are so poor why can they all run proto. personally the only really pricy thing i ever run is my all advanced maddie. i have protofits in the 100's but i can count on one hand the ammount of times ive used them. simply because i dont see it as a viable investment to use proto in pubs and its a bit ******. actully turns out i have more than 1k full proto fits sat doing nothing. id love to see some pve. i have a lot of friends who would return to the game with pve being brought in and the player market would also help. ccp you broke the forge. skills are not being applied till 30 secs after spawn fixes before nerfs thank you.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 355	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:34:00 - [20] - Quote I'd consider myself fairly wealthy (254mil ISK) but what I have pales in comparison to other folk's cash reserves. Viktor Hadah Jr has around a Billion if the rumors are true. Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust

Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 23	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:36:00 - [21] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: your a bit off there. if 99% are so poor why can they all run proto. personally the only really pricy thing i ever run is my all advanced maddie. i have protofits in the 100's but i can count on one hand the ammount of times ive used them. simply because i dont see it as a viable investment to use proto in pubs and its a bit ******. actully turns out i have more than 1k full proto fits sat doing nothing. id love to see some pve. i have a lot of friends who would return to the game with pve being brought in and the player market would also help. I just pulled that number out of my ass but the wealthy out way the poor no matter the right percentage.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5249	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:41:00 - [22] - Quote Damn peasants, x up and I'll send you 1ISK when I log on. Heuheuheuheu. fuckign casuls
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 23	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:41:00 - [23] - Quote I run my advanced heavy suit and die to a proto heavy I put on my proto heavy and I run through most heavies.so you can't say running cheaper suits are better like I said in theory it's perfect in reality it's not so good no matter what any of you rich players say.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5400	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:41:00 - [24] - Quote I spent 70 million ISK on 1.8s arrival to buy 180,000 dropsuit fittings (not lying, 800 standard, 600 Advanced, 400 Prototype suits w/ fittings. and I still have 520,000,000 ISK to burn. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 193	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:41:00 - [25] - Quote How do you have your fits organized and do you have a number of intermediate options for those that you use most commonly? If I'm running by myself I've found that I'm isk neutral at about 50-60k a suit (an ADV suit with some proto modules). I can play all week with suits in this price range and not lose money. Because of this, I normally run ADV fits in the 40K isk range. This subsidizes bringing out proto stuff when I'm against good players in proto suits and nets me a small profit each day. Some simple math can help you find your optimal level of spending given your skill level and play style. -Aramis
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 23	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:45:00 - [26] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I spent 70 million ISK on 1.8s arrival to buy 180,000 dropsuit fittings (not lying, 800 standard, 600 Advanced, 400 Prototype suits w/ fittings. and I still have 520,000,000 ISK to burn. Wow that's insane thanks for proving my point how can the average player compete with that no matter how much I ***** I got to say good going man wish we were dust buddies.
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 29	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:46:00 - [27] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . Comrade, that is where you are wrong. I run militia fits and still roflstomping proto scrubs. Very fun, if you ask me. OR, I say, go into tanking. Learn to drive. Learn to shoot. Learn to appreciate the hatemail you receive afterwords with a bunch of QQ'ers whining about their 150k suits. Then you will enjoy proto stomping )) I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 60	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:47:00 - [28] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Virtual Riot wrote: if isk was too easy to make for the average joe, ccp wouldn't have a business model Sad thing is if things don't change ccp isn't going to have a game that is only my opinion. I agree, it's neat that we have this model that makes you think about your economic choices. The problem is that the current model allows for a 4 KDR person to come close to profiting in ADV suits. 20-5, lose 210K ISK and make 260K ISK I think the current model makes pubs boring.
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 29	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:48:00 - [29] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I spent 70 million ISK on 1.8s arrival to buy 180,000 dropsuit fittings (not lying, 800 standard, 600 Advanced, 400 Prototype suits w/ fittings. and I still have 520,000,000 ISK to burn. Wow that's insane thanks for proving my point how can the average player compete with that no matter how much I ***** I got to say good going man wish we were dust buddies. Btw Enki, I think Sgt. Kirk earned this through selling TEMPLAR BPO's, Sgt. Kirk correct me if I'm wrong but I've seen your names several times throughout the trade forums. That means he's paid real money. Maybe you should do that too; saves you time grinding hour after hour with little reward, eh? I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
Mr Retsof VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 44	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:48:00 - [30] - Quote 1%er "War is money...if you have it, you win."

Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 25	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:48:00 - [31] - Quote Aramis Madrigal wrote: How do you have your fits organized and do you have a number of intermediate options for those that you use most commonly? If I'm running by myself I've found that I'm isk neutral at about 50-60k a suit (an ADV suit with some proto modules). I can play all week with suits in this price range and not lose money. Because of this, I normally run ADV fits in the 40K isk range. This subsidizes bringing out proto stuff when I'm against good players in proto suits and nets me a small profit each day. Some simple math can help you find your optimal level of spending given your skill level and play style. -Aramis I used to have a fit for any situation in the game 32 million skill points but now I have two advanced heavies machine gun and forge and two proto when I can use them machine gun and forge.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 25	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:49:00 - [32] - Quote Mr Retsof VI wrote: 1%er Says a guy with a tonne of money
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 495	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:49:00 - [33] - Quote Well thats kinda the point of player run economy. The only issue I have with being filthy rich is that it involves exploiting the PC system, which is honestly broken as fuck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwpGn2J-JAA Here is what PC is actually used to. TOLD514
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 29	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:49:00 - [34] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Virtual Riot wrote: if isk was too easy to make for the average joe, ccp wouldn't have a business model Sad thing is if things don't change ccp isn't going to have a game that is only my opinion. I agree, it's neat that we have this model that makes you think about your economic choices. The problem is that the current model allows for a 4 KDR person to come close to profiting in ADV suits. 20-5, lose 210K ISK and make 260K ISK I think the current model makes pubs boring. That's interesting, I run 2.5k fits and make upwards of 200k a match. I may not get 4 KDR but then again a 2 KDR is enough for me in most matches. My KDR Is still low because I was a Logi earlier in DUST, but its climing back up )) I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 63	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:50:00 - [35] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I spent 70 million ISK on 1.8s arrival to buy 180,000 dropsuit fittings (not lying, 800 standard, 600 Advanced, 400 Prototype suits w/ fittings. and I still have 520,000,000 ISK to burn. Pretty solid example of the divide. Sgt Kirk is a badass in Dust. The current model is great for widening the gap between the average player and the beast player. The current model makes people too risk averse. This is an FPS, the action needs to be kicked up a notch. The way to do this is to increase the payouts.
Mr Retsof VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 44	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:53:00 - [36] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. I like this guys attitude... Ander Thedas, would like some isk ? "War is money...if you have it, you win."
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 25	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:56:00 - [37] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . Comrade, that is where you are wrong. I run militia fits and still roflstomping proto scrubs. Very fun, if you ask me. OR, I say, go into tanking. Learn to drive. Learn to shoot. Learn to appreciate the hatemail you receive afterwords with a bunch of QQ'ers whining about their 150k suits. Then you will enjoy proto stomping )) There is no way people are running militia suits and playing good unless your spawning in and hiding what are you running to be so good .
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 213	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:56:00 - [38] - Quote I started loosing Isk this build quite a bit. I wanted to play with the new toys. Then got bored. Started running a "Naked Scout" C-0. Its just as fun and until I get my shield extender skills up its pretty much just as squishy. "Naked" Dropsuit = a drop suit with nothing but a gun and a smile Get plenty of kills and keeps the price down so low I can die so much and still turn a profit. Weird thing is, I can be so aggressive and sneaky with it I can surprise kill most heavies (any tier) with a trusty bolt pistol. Surprised more than a few 'Proto Scouts' with Nova Knives the other dayGÇªI may have improved my KDR slightlyGÇª The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3880	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:58:00 - [39] - Quote I didn't start getting money until recently. You can pull a profit running ADV suits if you don't suck too horribly. ISK is only a problem for people who run fits they can't afford. This is the mantra of New Eden I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Gotmy Tightpantson RB MUSICK 11	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:01:00 - [40] - Quote Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. Are you drinking my saki kimosabe?! http://youtu.be/Nv7Ts4v5_Bs

Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 180	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:04:00 - [41] - Quote I love how everyone is saying "isk should be hard to get" (which I agree with) but there's a ** ton of people who have so much more from the broken PC system that should be fixed to put everyone back on a level playing field... Though I have no idea how they can do that without pissing everyone off... Game is broken. & to the people saying how easy it is to make money, yes I can make pleanty of money using boring **** suits and noob tactics, but apparently 1 dropship that can be 1 shotted by someone who can refire 5 shots in 2 seconds, all from the comfort of the redzone, costs more than even a "good" result pays out... I've only ever made over 550k isk in one match 3 times & that required the whole team being useless (scoring less than 200 war points) while I was the only one out of our red zone. Simply put, why do I have to be bored to make money to play, while a large portion of people get to use whatever they want with 0 consequence? I guess the answer is, I just don't play anymore... Let me know if they make it worth playing.
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 352	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:06:00 - [42] - Quote Mr Retsof VI wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. I like this guys attitude... Ander Thedas, would like some isk ? Well, I'd never ask, but I'd never so no, either! But really I think the scarcity is in the spirit of the game. The fact that people are on the forums complaining that they can't run the fits they want to adds to the robustness of both the game play and the meta, which feeds right back into the mood of the game and, consequently, the lore of it as well. It does have drawbacks, however. The other day my friend straight up rage quit because of ISK loss and refuses to sign back on until some changes are made (but to be honest it's mostly his Rambo play style that gets him in trouble), but there is a very beautiful and delicate balance there to be preserved. FW lvl10 reward Mobile Redlines Default FWRace
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1232	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:07:00 - [43] - Quote What difference is it going to be to you, if you get murdered by players or drones, you still lose ISK :) DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 25	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:09:00 - [44] - Quote Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll.
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 352	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:11:00 - [45] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll. At least pretend to be having a reasonable conversation. I get that you're upset but he was just trying to be helpful and his advice in this instance is pretty much held as gospel by most players. FW lvl10 reward Mobile Redlines Default FWRace
fragmentedhackslash Arrogance. 223	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:11:00 - [46] - Quote Life imitates Art. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12698	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:19:00 - [47] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: What difference is it going to be to you, if you get murdered by players or drones, you still lose ISK :) At least drones would be interesting lol My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 106	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:19:00 - [48] - Quote i have about 100 mil isk and 15 mil SP's..... and i go through phases of playing dust. suit wise ill use basic or advanced. gun wise ill use basic . equipment basic or advanced. fittings the best i can fit with my PG and CPU. in short my suits cost between 15k-25k and its rare for me to get less than a 200k pay out in a battle. providing i die less than 10 times ill make a proffit. on average ill die about 5 times so my bank balance will keep climbing. my only problem with alot of proto players i see in game is that you have to ask how its sustainable for them? are PC's huge payouts completely distorting game play? its pretty obvious most are loosing significant isk in pubs. Yes i do like it when i earn over 400k per battle due to proto suits falling left right and center, but besides me earning a bit more i don't think that overall it makes much difference to the PC crowd.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 665	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:20:00 - [49] - Quote Not convinced of this argument. I agree that the NPE sucks and needs an overall. A big one. But money is not that gap. There is an experience there that many other players have learned that others don't want to believe, and that's tactics outweigh gear. Proto suit does not mean win, it just helps in direct facing, bull rushing, combat. There are other (read better) ways to commit to combat that turn in your favor. That being said, I'm far, far, far below average. I can't shoot worth a damn, but I found my niche and learned how to budget. I don't belong to a rich corp and don't own a district. All my 90mil I made. Put a price next to each of your suit names. Find out how much you averagely make versus averagely lose in battle and know you can only use X amount of suits before switching out a cheaper one. Giving people drones doesn't teach them to be better at fighting against those that are used to evading and flanking. Learning situational awareness and when to run away is what wins. Suddenly having more isk for proto suits without learning this will just mean you'll lose a more expensive suit instead of a starter. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 32	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:24:00 - [50] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: axINVICTUSxa wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . Comrade, that is where you are wrong. I run militia fits and still roflstomping proto scrubs. Very fun, if you ask me. OR, I say, go into tanking. Learn to drive. Learn to shoot. Learn to appreciate the hatemail you receive afterwords with a bunch of QQ'ers whining about their 150k suits. Then you will enjoy proto stomping )) There is no way people are running militia suits and playing good unless your spawning in and hiding what are you running to be so good . Straight up militia. Exile Assault Rifle. Militia Armor plates. Militia armor reps Miltia Equipment, or basic UP, RE, RT Miltia shields. I'm gallente btw so I armor tank more. I still get 10-2 avg so maybe its just skill... I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2038	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:25:00 - [51] - Quote I'm not wealthy, but I'm not poor, either. My corp mates barely ever reach 1 mil isk and they can run their best suits plenty of times.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 511	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:30:00 - [52] - Quote I only have 430million, after buying 200million worth of stuff, another 200-300 million just giving it away during pubs this past half year, and have given 10 or so of my alts 50mil-100m each for lolzies. I need more ISK, times are rough. :'(
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 28	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:32:00 - [53] - Quote I play dust four to eight hours a day for the last two years.in the last two years I've spent $140 on aurum because I've ran out of Isk changing all of my Isk guns and suits to aurum guns and suits Until my Isk get up there again I can't be the only one who has done this and it's not because I'm a bad player it's the amount of hours I play most of you guys with money probably only play maybe 1 to 2 hours a day.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2039	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:33:00 - [54] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll. He's right, actually. Learn how to budget. If you have 500 isk left and you have a suit that costs 100k isk, why run it? Militia shotgun is pretty good and the militia light frames are good, too, now that no one activate scans anymore. Just watch out for Caldari scouts lol When I feel like making isk, I just switch to my starter gear. Sure, I may not do as good as my regular scout fit, but it didn't matter since it's a change of playstyle. I still go positive most of the time and get sevens amount of kills and isk.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12699	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:33:00 - [55] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: I only have 430million, after buying 200million worth of stuff, another 200-300 million just giving it away during pubs this past half year, and have given 10 or so of my alts 50mil-100m each for lolzies. I need more ISK, times are rough. :'( ::crashes Incubus nearby, cussing incoherently as an RDV flies off into the sunset:: My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Hecarim Van Hohen 804	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:33:00 - [56] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: low genius wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise. How can you play other wise put on a starter suit and hide for the game that's not fun everyone is running proto and if people say other wise I don't think your playing the game I use the basic Amarr sentinel suit for the most part and making a profit every match. How do people manage to go broke in this game is beyond me TOUGH TITTY, SAID THE KITTY. - Blaine the Mono
Mr Retsof VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 45	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:33:00 - [57] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: Mr Retsof VI wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. I like this guys attitude... Ander Thedas, would like some isk ? Well, I'd never ask, but I'd never so no, either! But really I think the scarcity is in the spirit of the game. The fact that people are on the forums complaining that they can't run the fits they want to adds to the robustness of both the game play and the meta, which feeds right back into the mood of the game and, consequently, the lore of it as well. It does have drawbacks, however. The other day my friend straight up rage quit because of ISK loss and refuses to sign back on until some changes are made (but to be honest it's mostly his Rambo play style that gets him in trouble), but there is a very beautiful and delicate balance there to be preserved. Sometime in the next 10 hours you will receive some isk into your account. Share with your friend. Dust needs more "Rambo" types, they're good for laughs.... "War is money...if you have it, you win."
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 28	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:37:00 - [58] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll. He's right, actually. Learn how to budget. If you have 500 isk left and you have a suit that costs 100k isk, why run it? Militia shotgun is pretty good and the militia light frames are good, too, now that no one activate scans anymore. Just watch out for Caldari scouts lol When I feel like making isk, I just switch to my starter gear. Sure, I may not do as good as my regular scout fit, but it didn't matter since it's a change of playstyle. I still go positive most of the time and get sevens amount of kills and isk. There is no way Mercs are playing with militia anything prove it I'm always playing Dom on the Europe server come and fight and see if you guys are telling the truth because personally I think it's all talk.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12699	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:38:00 - [59] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Joel II X wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll. He's right, actually. Learn how to budget. If you have 500 isk left and you have a suit that costs 100k isk, why run it? Militia shotgun is pretty good and the militia light frames are good, too, now that no one activate scans anymore. Just watch out for Caldari scouts lol When I feel like making isk, I just switch to my starter gear. Sure, I may not do as good as my regular scout fit, but it didn't matter since it's a change of playstyle. I still go positive most of the time and get sevens amount of kills and isk. There is no way Mercs are playing with militia anything prove it I'm always playing Dom on the Europe server come and fight and see if you guys are telling the truth because personally I think it's all talk. Actually, MLT shotgun light frame is the easiest MLT fit to do well with if youre good at positioning and not being perma scanned My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 29	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:39:00 - [60] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Joel II X wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll. He's right, actually. Learn how to budget. If you have 500 isk left and you have a suit that costs 100k isk, why run it? Militia shotgun is pretty good and the militia light frames are good, too, now that no one activate scans anymore. Just watch out for Caldari scouts lol When I feel like making isk, I just switch to my starter gear. Sure, I may not do as good as my regular scout fit, but it didn't matter since it's a change of playstyle. I still go positive most of the time and get sevens amount of kills and isk. There is no way Mercs are playing with militia anything prove it I'm always playing Dom on the Europe server come and fight and see if you guys are telling the truth because personally I think it's all talk. Actually, MLT shotgun light frame is the easiest MLT fit to do well with if youre good at positioning and not being perma scanned I will agree with that.

ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2395	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:41:00 - [61] - Quote I was someone who was vehemently against pve in dust, as it would take away development of the pvp aspect. I just started playing eve about a week ago. I know understand and see the light. We need pve in dust and we need it badly.
rithu Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 2	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:42:00 - [62] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Die two times with a proto suit & you ll go negative in a pub match. You cant see me caldari scouts ;)
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1887	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:44:00 - [63] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so hold on a second....... 1% of people are wealthy, while the other 99% of people aren't, yet MOST people run Proto....... That's a bit of a paradox isn't it? Most people cant afford to play yet most people run proto....... Or maybe, cheap 20k isk suits are just too hard to work with? Oh wait, i went 25-2 with one last night, and repeatedly got results like that with a suit that only cost that much. The paradox only exists because the playerbase is small enough to give that impression. Those "protostompers" play for hours on end when few others can stomach it for more than a couple. This causes it to appear that everyone is running proto since you get thrown up against them nearly every match unless you are lucky enough to break the queue cycle. The only point to Isk wealth currently is to hoard it so that you can break the market when we get it, aside from that (and to stroke your raging epeener over having a lot of digits in your virtual wallet) there is no point to it. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 588	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:44:00 - [64] - Quote I haven't played PC outside of ringing for well over 5 months and I, myself hardly profited anyways. However I still manage to run some form of proto in pretty much every match while still keeping my wallet positive. Don't use it if you know you'll loose it very quickly. If my wallet is under my preset amount that I want to keep I just run cheaper suits and once I get over my amount I run better gear. Seriously, learn to either be better than your enemy or better manage your funds. Who cares if some scrubs have hundreds of millions ISK it still doesn't prevent you from killing them, the barrier is mostly skill anyways. tl;dr They'd roll you regardless of the suits, learn to manage your funds Mmmm Scout ak.0 Projects: TDBS \| SDETool
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12699	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:44:00 - [65] - Quote rithu wrote: Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Die two times with a proto suit & you ll go negative in a pub match. Die once in an ADS and youll go negative for two My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3718	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:45:00 - [66] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . Starter fits exist for a reason. No.
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 354	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:46:00 - [67] - Quote Mr Retsof VI wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Mr Retsof VI wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. I like this guys attitude... Ander Thedas, would like some isk ? Well, I'd never ask, but I'd never so no, either! But really I think the scarcity is in the spirit of the game. The fact that people are on the forums complaining that they can't run the fits they want to adds to the robustness of both the game play and the meta, which feeds right back into the mood of the game and, consequently, the lore of it as well. It does have drawbacks, however. The other day my friend straight up rage quit because of ISK loss and refuses to sign back on until some changes are made (but to be honest it's mostly his Rambo play style that gets him in trouble), but there is a very beautiful and delicate balance there to be preserved. Sometime in the next 10 hours you will receive some isk into your account. Share with your friend. Dust needs more "Rambo" types, they're good for laughs.... Really?? I'm going to probably give all of it to him, then. He needs it more than I do and any incentive to get him back in the game is worth the price. Cheers :) FW lvl10 reward Mobile Redlines Default FWRace
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2249	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:46:00 - [68] - Quote I have 300,000,000 at any given time BC I run cheap suits. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Rusty Shallows 1294	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:47:00 - [69] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I'm not wealthy, but I'm not poor, either. My corp mates barely ever reach 1 mil isk and they can run their best suits plenty of times. ISK accumulation in of itself is unimportant. How it is spent to enjoy the game is. So it sounds like they are doing it right. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 30	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:48:00 - [70] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . Starter fits exist for a reason. Like I said meet me in dom on the Europe server and prove that to me only people with money say starter fits are good because they never use them.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12700	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:50:00 - [71] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: I have 300,000,000 at any given time BC I run cheap suits. I envy you people who can still play in dropsuits haha. That **** got old last year >_< My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 224	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:52:00 - [72] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff So stop grinding just to blow it all on proto, mess with your loadouts until you find a good balance between cost/battle effectiveness. It takes some puttering around to work it out but once you find it you're set. Welcome to you're "DOOM"
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 30	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:55:00 - [73] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff So stop grinding just to blow it all on proto, mess with your loadouts until you find a good balance between cost/battle effectiveness. It takes some puttering around to work it out but once you find it you're set. I will do that it's just frustrating when it seems that everyone says run cheaper fits but when I'm playing all I see is proto.
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 374	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:57:00 - [74] - Quote We are the 3.5 percent. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
Awesome Pantaloons Lokapalas. 392	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:57:00 - [75] - Quote If you can't effectively run free then get remotes and play smart. Or get a scout suit and play smart. Or both. If you want to be a guns-a-blazing kind of guy, go sentinel. I've made 200mil running mostly cheap heavy fits. Making money is easy and fun. :D "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 34	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:57:00 - [76] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Cyzad4 wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff So stop grinding just to blow it all on proto, mess with your loadouts until you find a good balance between cost/battle effectiveness. It takes some puttering around to work it out but once you find it you're set. I will do that it's just frustrating when it seems that everyone says run cheaper fits but when I'm playing all I see is proto. So you are going to conform with society? A great person you are. What happened to individualism? For me it took 19 million SP to finally realize what I was good at--sniping. Find what you're good at and stick there. Don't let no fakget tell you otherwise bro. I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3885	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:58:00 - [77] - Quote rithu wrote: Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Die two times with a proto suit & you ll go negative in a pub match. That only matters if you don't have extra pay on the side. I generally don't die in Proto too much, but I pull enough profit from PC to run it ISK negative a few times. Then again, my fav suit only costs me around 100k I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 2249	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:59:00 - [78] - Quote Mlt scout suit. Re's. Nothing will survive. Who cares if you lose 20 suits!? They're only 5950 isk each. Lol Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 357	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:59:00 - [79] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Cyzad4 wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff So stop grinding just to blow it all on proto, mess with your loadouts until you find a good balance between cost/battle effectiveness. It takes some puttering around to work it out but once you find it you're set. I will do that it's just frustrating when it seems that everyone says run cheaper fits but when I'm playing all I see is proto. I can understand that. I run standard 95% of the time, and rarely swap to ADV just to make sure I can turn a profit almost all the time. I find that when I play smarter, run from fights I know I can't win and re-position myself to be more useful then my kills stay about the same (even though I'm in less fights) and my deaths go way down. Suddenly I'm saving more money than I thought just from a quick little play style adjustment. Plus it makes taking out proto suits all the more satisfying. FW lvl10 reward Mobile Redlines Default FWRace
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 30	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:01:00 - [80] - Quote Kaughst wrote: We are the 3.5 percent. With your corp it is probably one of the richest corps in dust do you pay for your Mercs guns ,suits, equipment .for all or just some

axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 34	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:01:00 - [81] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Cyzad4 wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff So stop grinding just to blow it all on proto, mess with your loadouts until you find a good balance between cost/battle effectiveness. It takes some puttering around to work it out but once you find it you're set. I will do that it's just frustrating when it seems that everyone says run cheaper fits but when I'm playing all I see is proto. I can understand that. I run standard 95% of the time, and rarely swap to ADV just to make sure I can turn a profit almost all the time. I find that when I play smarter, run from fights I know I can't win and re-position myself to be more useful then my kills stay about the same (even though I'm in less fights) and my deaths go way down. Suddenly I'm saving more money than I thought just from a quick little play style adjustment. Plus it makes taking out proto suits all the more satisfying. YES. You see, the most OP weapon is up in our head. No one seems to use it, though. I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 370	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:02:00 - [82] - Quote Like in life the OP has been answered but doesn't like the answer so rejects it. It's simple, don't spend more than you make. How you do that is a big part of the fun and challenge of Dust. On this alt I am running strictly free starter fits, with good passive skills it actually performs pretty well and since it can't do much I only have to concentrate on a limited role, it's kind of relaxing, and it is all profit. I don't need ISK so I can transfer it to my other characters. Because, that's why.
zzZaXxx G.L.O.R.Y RISE of LEGION 267	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:03:00 - [83] - Quote Cool! DUST reflects real life!
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 30	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:06:00 - [84] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Like in life the OP has been answered but doesn't like the answer so rejects it. It's simple, don't spend more than you make. How you do that is a big part of the fun and challenge of Dust. On this alt I am running strictly free starter fits, with good passive skills it actually performs pretty well and since it can't do much I only have to concentrate on a limited role, it's kind of relaxing, and it is all profit. I don't need ISK so I can transfer it to my other characters. Like I said come and prove your words are true Dom European server every day I still say it's all talk unless your hiding in a corner the whole match and what's the fun in that.
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1300	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:07:00 - [85] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Cyzad4 wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff So stop grinding just to blow it all on proto, mess with your loadouts until you find a good balance between cost/battle effectiveness. It takes some puttering around to work it out but once you find it you're set. I will do that it's just frustrating when it seems that everyone says run cheaper fits but when I'm playing all I see is proto. I can understand that. I run standard 95% of the time, and rarely swap to ADV just to make sure I can turn a profit almost all the time. I find that when I play smarter, run from fights I know I can't win and re-position myself to be more useful then my kills stay about the same (even though I'm in less fights) and my deaths go way down. Suddenly I'm saving more money than I thought just from a quick little play style adjustment. Plus it makes taking out proto suits all the more satisfying. This. Knowing when not to engage will save you more ISK than anything else in this game and improve your K/D in the process. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 224	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:08:00 - [86] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: I will do that it's just frustrating when it seems that everyone says run cheaper fits but when I'm playing all I see is proto. How are your core skills? getting that **** maxed is a huge advantage and lets you run cheap stuff more effectively. Honestly 99% of the loadouts I run are under 10k isk, at that price I need to die 20+ times per match to go negative. It's no get rich quick scheme but it builds up over time. Welcome to you're "DOOM"
Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 374	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:10:00 - [87] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Kaughst wrote: We are the 3.5 percent. With your corp it is probably one of the richest corps in dust do you pay for your Mercs guns ,suits, equipment .for all or just some I don't manage finances, nor do I speak Japanese. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 30	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:12:00 - [88] - Quote I'm going to start a chat room on dust called Big Talk and if you think you can run starter or militia anything join me or play against me and prove you are correct I'm not a **** that just wants to argue I just think there is no way Mercs are doing anything with that kind of fits and playing the game. Unless they are hiding the whole match.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 942	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:12:00 - [89] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff having no Isk sucks and all of you out there that say its great are lying or you must have a lot of money like I said if you have money or are in a rich corp do not comment because we don't care. You grind for a week in starter fits so you can play for a day in proto? WTF? You do realize that for the price of one day of proto you could run advanced all week? And that the gap between advanced and proto is tiny compared to the gap between starter fits and advanced? smh
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 30	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:13:00 - [90] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Kaughst wrote: We are the 3.5 percent. With your corp it is probably one of the richest corps in dust do you pay for your Mercs guns ,suits, equipment .for all or just some I don't manage finances, nor do I speak Japanese. Thanks just wondering.

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1671	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:14:00 - [91] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot Yep, run an alt in starter gear and you save KD/R if you want it as well as make money. "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 30	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:15:00 - [92] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff having no Isk sucks and all of you out there that say its great are lying or you must have a lot of money like I said if you have money or are in a rich corp do not comment because we don't care. You grind for a week in starter fits so you can play for a day in proto? WTF? You do realize that for the price of one day of proto you could run advanced all week? And that the gap between advanced and proto is tiny compared to the gap between starter fits and advanced? smh I do run advanced but when I run against another proto heavy he has a little bit of shield left and when I'm my proto heavy I run through them.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5400	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:18:00 - [93] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I spent 70 million ISK on 1.8s arrival to buy 180,000 dropsuit fittings (not lying, 800 standard, 600 Advanced, 400 Prototype suits w/ fittings. and I still have 520,000,000 ISK to burn. Wow that's insane thanks for proving my point how can the average player compete with that no matter how much I *** I got to say good going man wish we were dust buddies. Btw Enki, I think Sgt. Kirk earned this through selling TEMPLAR BPO's, Sgt. Kirk correct me if I'm wrong but I've seen your names several times throughout the trade forums. That means he's paid real money. Maybe you should do that too; saves you time grinding hour after hour with little reward, eh? No, I've never traded templar codes 1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole** -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Asirius Medaius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1105	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:20:00 - [94] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: You just described the USA. ****, someone beat me to it!
ELITE INQUISITOR Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 78	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:22:00 - [95] - Quote It's interesting, I have two mercs and neither of them is broke. All I run in pubs is starter and bpo frames with a few changes. My kdr is still good. I am still combat effective. If you stick with the militia fits for a little while it makes you a better player when you switch to better stuff. Just saying. If you accept your limitations you go beyond them EB Pub. <=====Eternal Beings public chat channel
EverNub Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:29:00 - [96] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I'd consider myself fairly wealthy (254mil ISK) but what I have pales in comparison to other folk's cash reserves. Viktor Hadah Jr has around a Billion if the rumors are true. Yah im sitting at about 100mil left and ive wasted countless amounts on proto crap. Truthfully if you got good gun game or do it right u can run cheap suits and still compete with protos. The unfortunate part about this game is if your good your going to make money, and if u run in squads and actually work together and keep each other alive, you make money. Saying that Run with someone who has a proto needle, keeps ur suit alive and popping back up with 80-100% health is extremely helpful over a noobie needle! ALSO! I always recommend building your SP into base stats that wont matter what suit you run you will still have decent EHP and u can fit better Equipment and Mods on cheaper suits!!! In turn saving money but still being competitive! Good Luck and don't get discouraged! What is the use of fighting if you haven't got a tolerable planet to fight over? Trees...We need Trees...
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3131	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:29:00 - [97] - Quote How can you not make ISK Go out and restock and basic suit with basic mods and get 100 of them By the time you have used all your suits up you will have made at least 5mil ISK if not more Intelligence is OP
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1887	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:52:00 - [98] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Mlt scout suit. Re's. Nothing will survive. Who cares if you lose 20 suits!? They're only 5950 isk each. Lol 1500 Isk if you've got a Dragonfly.... Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 737	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:14:00 - [99] - Quote my most expensive suit is about 20k. my new heavy is around 9k my old heavy is i think around 3k. the rest are just std variants of several different weapons put onto starterfits. and i still run them though i have around 19+mil sp..specced out core skills.never touched suits till now. still not touching a suit better than std. or a weapon better than adv. to go use proto in a pub match is pure scrubbery in my eyes.at least i give the mlt newberry a chance at winning.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 315	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:17:00 - [100] - Quote Making isk is painfully easy unless you're a real logi or an ADS pilot. I'm not generally one to "Git Gud" anyone, but c'mon, get a little more willpower... or a little more skill. I really do not understand how people can be so broke.

GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 1169	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:20:00 - [101] - Quote to u guys who dont know how to make money RUN STARTER SUITS SERIOUSLY IDK HOW you guys dont know how to make ISK its not hard sure u are going to die alot but hey u will make a million ISK in 7 - 10 matches CMON !! 30 Mil SP VET , TANK / DS PILOT CLICK HERE FOR ACTIVE DUST 514 YOUTUBE VIDEOS
THE INFAMOUS Sniper Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:28:00 - [102] - Quote L2 not die all the time i make proft in a scout suit so heres a little tip stop taking those few million isk you grind out on protosuits and used advanced or lower lol dont say it cant kill proto cause it bloody well does. (ADV minja>protobears)
Samantha Hunyz G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 90	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:43:00 - [103] - Quote I have 32m isk. I'm guessing that puts me at least above the poverty line. Even with as much isk as I have, there is nothing to spend it on. I don't see why people are hung up and cry about rich players so much. I quickly learned to balance my isk use, and never used a proto suit in a match. I know what my average payout is and I figured out how many and what I could afford to lose and still make a profit in match in advance. Just take the average times you die, and build that many suits to under your normal isk payout. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
The Infected One Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1216	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:47:00 - [104] - Quote I specced back I to what I had before 1.8. Min assault, scout, and logi. I have 100 full fits of each STD suit, 200 full fits of each ADV suit, and 200 full fits of each PRO suit. I'm feeling broke right now because I'm under 300mill ISK in the bank, but I run STD or ADV scout suits because I cannot justify to myself losing 170k+ ISK per death on the PRO scout when I'm not in PC. I was at 250 million ISK after stocking all these fits, am currently up to 295k ISK from pubs, and the odd PC. Running cheap suits isn't boring, it's more challenging. . I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? --. . - + ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -..
Cheydinhal Guard CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 57	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:20:00 - [105] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: I run my advanced heavy suit and die to a proto heavy I put on my proto heavy and I run through most heavies.so you can't say running cheaper suits are better like I said in theory it's perfect in reality it's not so good no matter what any of you rich players say. Running cheaper suits is better for making money, not killing. If you want to run expensive gear then it's your fault that you're broke. "1.8 is gonna be filled with fat suits and invisible stick men" - Echo 1991
ishtellian Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:24:00 - [106] - Quote Get in a good mood, fit up a mid cost suit squad upwith some friends and have fun, the past few games ive been playing with about 25-50k isk suits and only dying 1-3 times, I usually make more than I lose and still have a good time. Not as good isk as running militia/bpo as much as possible but thats no fun. My Heavy Never Dies. Logibro In training.
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 509	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:27:00 - [107] - Quote Once again, I have seen crouch keyboard macroers running ambush 24/7 and tbh I'm thinking about running one myself. They are probably well off.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2540	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:30:00 - [108] - Quote I'm a poor Amarr scout who's in need of isk :( Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 99	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:31:00 - [109] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: ...in the last two years I've spent $140 on aurum because I've ran out of Isk changing all of my Isk guns and suits to aurum guns and suits Until my Isk get up there again I can't be the only one who has done this and it's not because I'm a bad player ... lol @ Pay-to-Win FAIL I'm going to sound very ***** here and apologise ahead of time, but I think you've answered your own question. You're just being dumb about this. All the people saying you need to run MLT or STARTER fits to develop the battlefield habits you need for your playstyle that you are ignoring are correct. The EVE aspect of, "Don't use what you can't afford to lose" is especially applicable here, if you aren't profitable in pubs it's not because of the 99% or even the 1% it's because of YOU. But, despite that, I'll give you a couple tips- 1. Quit chasing the FOTM gear/modules and put your precious SP into CORE SKILLS. Anything that provides a passive increase to EVERY suit is what you want first, this is the key to STARTER fits being viable against PROTOS, aside from your tactics. 2. Rename your fits so that you have your suit cost as part of the name and can see it when the fits are listed. When the fit name tells you it's 90k, and you're losing your ass kill-wise that'll help you NOT use your 90k suit. 3. Recognize that Profitability is your number one priority as a merc! Do what it takes (ie. HIDE like a * with that STARTER SNIPER fit) if thats what you need to do to be profitable, YOU are a BUSINESS and MUST monitor your overhead expenses ( suit costs) vs. income (ISK pay). Simple, really it's all perspective. Again, sorry if I sound like a *****, my opinions are mine and in no way represent those of my Corp, Alliance, Friends, combat role or pets. PS. LOL @ AUR because can't be profitable in pubs! Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
Skuld Valkyrja Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:37:00 - [110] - Quote I'm new to the game and all i can say is that its pretty hard to kill someone, especially if your equipments are still the freebies. Almost everyone i encounter tears me apart. Maybe if there was some sort of matchmaking..?

lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 671	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:41:00 - [111] - Quote Skuld Valkyrja wrote: I'm new to the game and all i can say is that its pretty hard to kill someone, especially if your equipments are still the freebies. Almost everyone i encounter tears me apart. Maybe if there was some sort of matchmaking..? Newberries aren't going to have a great experience. There is match making, however its based on stacked teams vs teams not individual skills versus other player skills. You're always going to be the low pole. Join the Learning Coalition or Dust University or any other number of helper corps. They'll get you on your feet. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 63	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:44:00 - [112] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Yeah. Prepare to die --- very --- often. Prepare to not make a difference. Prepare to not contribute anything. Prepare to be nothing but one thing: Food for the big fish. You cant be that, because you joined the game to late and will never make up the SP and experience gap. So dont get your hopes high. Play without any hope and youll be fine. That, or railgun tank sniping
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1962	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:47:00 - [113] - Quote I'm poor only 40mil ISK here. Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!
Bro-metheus Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 78	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:48:00 - [114] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . Maybe your bottom of the barrel in skill you ever think of that? Even if I was low on money or struggling (like that would ever happen) I can merc contracts with my networks to make cash in PC. Fact is you may just be not a valued asset to anyone enough. If you dont have the networks that is not our problem. As for running free suits, that is easy as hell to make money doing that, exile rifle, militia suit and plates and get kills. easy.
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 47	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:52:00 - [115] - Quote 1.Get good. 2.Find people you get along with and whom you compliment with your play style and vise versa. 3.Get better as a squad. 4.Don't be a sore loser or winner. (This will help catch the eye of quality players in quality corps) 5.Continue struggling to get better as a group. 6.Begin squading with a few people outside your group. Eventually one or more with have some influence with some big names. 7.Become friends with people outside your group. 8.You and your group collectively apply to the same corp. 9.LFS into PC battles. 10.Get better. 11.Win PC battles. 12.Profit. I was once the 99%, then WE became the 1%.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 63	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:54:00 - [116] - Quote Bro-metheus wrote: Maybe your bottom of the barrel in skill you ever think of that? Even if I was low on money or struggling (like that would ever happen) I can merc contracts with my networks to make cash in PC. Fact is you may just be not a valued asset to anyone enough. If you dont have the networks that is not our problem. As for running free suits, that is easy as hell to make money doing that, exile rifle, militia suit and plates and get kills. easy. Lol, gentlemen, may I introduce to you: A valuable asset. Yeah, I think we understand you are a "valuable ingame asset". Well thats what we all should aspire for. Not being a cool guy, or a fully developed human being. A valuable asset. Are you a robot or something?
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 147	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:58:00 - [117] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . I have been here since closed beta, I am in a wealthy corp. My assets are 60 million ISK with another 10 million or so in items. My corp has never paid me, or any corp before them. I have played a grand total of 2 PC matches back when it was released. My ISK was saved, budgeted, lost and then saved again. I run advanced 90% of the time and militia if I'm getting stomped. Not everyone of the 1% has their wealth through the poor PC system, and most of the ones that have are vets anyway. My point being we vets have simply been here longer and amassed our wealth through being cost effective over a year or more of play. This universe is not a kind one, if you want to be in the "1%" you have to be prepared to sacrifice battle effectiveness if you start losing too much ISK. Failing that put your hopes in Jadek's lottery for that slim chance of riches. Just don't complain if you find out the ISK does nothing to improve your game.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 402	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:01:00 - [118] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . why cant us wealthy players leave a comment? surely you would want to hear why we are wealthy? anyways ... I think we need to find the reasons behind economic inequality. before i joined nyain san, i was broke. I was also a dropship pilot. Every time i had a dropship, i could not hold it long enough to make a profit on it most days. so, i lost money using them. fix those issues, and we have a solution. however, drone combat (as advertised last year by ccp -.- ) would be amazingly fun. Good thread, just remove the "no rich people" section Just read the damn thread
Bro-metheus Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 78	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:03:00 - [119] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Bro-metheus wrote: Maybe your bottom of the barrel in skill you ever think of that? Even if I was low on money or struggling (like that would ever happen) I can merc contracts with my networks to make cash in PC. Fact is you may just be not a valued asset to anyone enough. If you dont have the networks that is not our problem. As for running free suits, that is easy as hell to make money doing that, exile rifle, militia suit and plates and get kills. easy. Lol, gentlemen, may I introduce to you: A valuable asset. Yeah, I think we understand you are a "valuable ingame asset". Well thats what we all should aspire for. Not being a cool guy, or a fully developed human being. A valuable asset. Are you a robot or something? we are talking about money. IE the exchange of goods and services. So value is a important part of that. See you guys are not bitching about NOT making money. your bitching about NOT making ENOUGH money to support your habits all the time. those are 2 very different things. You can make money easy running MLT suits. the guys bitching in this thread however cant do it will enough or run the best suits well enough to sustain and grow isk from it.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 402	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:04:00 - [120] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: to u guys who dont know how to make money RUN STARTER SUITS SERIOUSLY IDK HOW you guys dont know how to make ISK its not hard sure u are going to die alot but hey u will make a million ISK in 7 - 10 matches CMON !! not much fun in starter suits though is there? Just read the damn thread

saxonmish Third Rock From The Sun 45	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:08:00 - [121] - Quote There should be a minigame in your merc quarters like a browser game sort of thing where it takes time but you can build up in this game and it brings you a source of income (passive isk) but you can be attacked on this game and it will stunt the income. every merc should have this in there merc quarters just so they can sit back and relax in there quarters instead of raging in the battlefield, this is an idea ive had for a while and i think it would be a good one it'll bring a different side to this game.maybe even add making weapons and suits in this mini game as a type of forge too. i dont know i just think its a good idea. 8th in the world for kills. NOT GONNA STOP SLAYING TILL IM NO.1.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 100	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:10:00 - [122] - Quote Rizlax Yazzax wrote: ... amassed our wealth through being cost effective over a year or more of play. And that ^, OP, is the biznezz Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 944	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:10:00 - [123] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Spent over 20 million this update and its only been like 3 days into the update.... Im at 34 mill, gotta run basics for a while, seeing as how i dont have any BPOs starter fits Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 944	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:12:00 - [124] - Quote i have recently been stable around 100mill and i am still slowly accrueing more money as i play with cheap suits. i generally dont play with proto unless i have to but other wise i always use std or adv gear to win my fights and earn my money. Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 34	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:14:00 - [125] - Quote Orion Sanjeet wrote: 1.Get good. 2.Find people you get along with and whom you compliment with your play style and vise versa. 3.Get better as a squad. 4.Don't be a sore loser or winner. (This will help catch the eye of quality players in quality corps) 5.Continue struggling to get better as a group. 6.Begin squading with a few people outside your group. Eventually one or more with have some influence with some big names. 7.Become friends with people outside your group. 8.You and your group collectively apply to the same corp. 9.LFS into PC battles. 10.Get better. 11.Win PC battles. 12.Profit. I was once the 99%, then WE became the 1%. Ok thanks for that.
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 40	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:14:00 - [126] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: low genius wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise. How can you play other wise put on a starter suit and hide for the game that's not fun everyone is running proto and if people say other wise I don't think your playing the game Everyone is poor but everyone can run proto. I think YOU SIR aren't playing the game if that line makes sense to you...... Look at resent events and look at how many people are on payroll playing proto every match This does make this if you look at it correctly Cause proto stomping is worse than ever in my opinion No proto in public matches!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThWFhoB8kS8&feature=youtu.be
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 64	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:15:00 - [127] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: to u guys who dont know how to make money RUN STARTER SUITS SERIOUSLY IDK HOW you guys dont know how to make ISK its not hard sure u are going to die alot but hey u will make a million ISK in 7 - 10 matches CMON !! not much fun in starter suits though is there? Hate to say it, but yepp. Not much fun. The top players are flying away on wings of SP/Corp-Teamwork/PC farmed ISK. But, as I said so many times: there is a place for us: 1. Hacking and Hiding (need a few SP for the cloak n scout suit ... but you wont need a weapon, so thats a plus) 2. Sniping (and Hiding) Forge Gun / Sniper Rifle / Rail Gun Tank. Your choice 3. Logistics (again, a few SP needed). Most risk of dying meaningless here. All can be fun, even at militia level. The thrill of going against an overwhelming force. So if you dont care to be the lowliest of the low on the End of Match Screen... here you go.
sabre prime The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 150	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:20:00 - [128] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . Why are you broke? Desperate attempt to get BPOs
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 34	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:25:00 - [129] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Xaviah Reaper wrote: GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: to u guys who dont know how to make money RUN STARTER SUITS SERIOUSLY IDK HOW you guys dont know how to make ISK its not hard sure u are going to die alot but hey u will make a million ISK in 7 - 10 matches CMON !! not much fun in starter suits though is there? Hate to say it, but yepp. Not much fun. The top players are flying away on wings of SP/Corp-Teamwork/PC farmed ISK. But, as I said so many times: there is a place for us: 1. Hacking and Hiding (need a few SP for the cloak n scout suit ... but you wont need a weapon, so thats a plus) 2. Sniping (and Hiding) Forge Gun / Sniper Rifle / Rail Gun Tank. Your choice 3. Logistics (again, a few SP needed). Most risk of dying meaningless here. All can be fun, even at militia level. The thrill of going against an overwhelming force. So if you dont care to be the lowliest of the low on the End of Match Screen... here you go. Sounds good in theory but if dying and hiding is a thrill all the best to ya.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 64	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:26:00 - [130] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . why cant us wealthy players leave a comment? surely you would want to hear why we are wealthy? anyways ... I think we need to find the reasons behind economic inequality. before i joined nyain san, i was broke. I was also a dropship pilot. Every time i had a dropship, i could not hold it long enough to make a profit on it most days. so, i lost money using them. fix those issues, and we have a solution. however, drone combat (as advertised last year by ccp -.- ) would be amazingly fun. Good thread, just remove the "no rich people" section PvE. The solution to all our sorrows. How long will it be? sigh Hello I am a casual solo player. Nice to meet you. What? Yes, I really exist! Dust NPE status today: frustrating

knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 944	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:27:00 - [131] - Quote Gaurdian Satyr wrote: Marston VC wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: low genius wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise. How can you play other wise put on a starter suit and hide for the game that's not fun everyone is running proto and if people say other wise I don't think your playing the game Everyone is poor but everyone can run proto. I think YOU SIR aren't playing the game if that line makes sense to you...... Look at resent events and look at how many people are on payroll playing proto every match This does make this if you look at it correctly Cause proto stomping is worse than ever in my opinion ive been stomping proto stompers in a standard scout + shotty and cloak so i have no problem with proto stompers. if anything i make proto stompers go negative because of how many times i kill them. using basic gear isnt a bad thing, you just need to know how to use it more effetivley and know when and when not to attack/kill people and avoid certain things. im minmatar so running and speed aids me a lot and i can profit easily using only basic gear against protos Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
Fiddler Galaine Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 59	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:28:00 - [132] - Quote Hi Enki. Before 1.7, I used to make a lot of money (and have a decent K/D) just running a standard logi suit and an exile rifle. That just doesn't seem to cut it anymore, especially with swarms of nigh-invisible, undetectable scouts running amok... of which, I'm slowly being assimilated into. I'm not 100% sure about the wealth percent thing because I've seen more proto suits than ever these days (they are fun to shotgun / Popcorn!), many of which are being worn by non-PC corp players (I see you ******** flooding FW). Haven't spent a dime on this game yet and don't plan to - no one forcing you to. I do think there should be some form of low-risk, low-pay PVE /Co-Op mode.
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6274	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:33:00 - [133] - Quote So, one percent of the playerbase makes the game unplayable for the other 99%? Seems legit. I have enough money to protostomp, I choose not to. If you want to make ISK to protostomp, run cheap fits. When you still get stomped even though you're using Proto, don't come back and QQ about it.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 34	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:38:00 - [134] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: So, one percent of the playerbase makes the game unplayable for the other 99%? Seems legit. I have enough money to protostomp, I choose not to. If you want to make ISK to protostomp, run cheap fits. When you still get stomped even though you're using Proto, don't come back and QQ about it. Sure you do buddy like I said prove it come and play with me or against me and prove it it's all talk until all of you guys that say you run starter fits on still can play and make a difference.
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 853	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:38:00 - [135] - Quote CCP reduced salvage to protect the economy...don't you think they would have undertaken something by now to protect the economy of the "1%'ers"? How much do you really need? Grind some matches with cheap fits and GET OVER IT. Then try to stay ISK-positive or grind some more if you're playing something unbalanced.
Patrick57 Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 6277	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:40:00 - [136] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So, one percent of the playerbase makes the game unplayable for the other 99%? Seems legit. I have enough money to protostomp, I choose not to. If you want to make ISK to protostomp, run cheap fits. When you still get stomped even though you're using Proto, don't come back and QQ about it. Sure you do buddy like I said prove it come and play with me or against me and prove it it's all talk until all of you guys that say you run starter fits on still can play and make a difference. Lol, I don't run starter fits myself, I run standard. I'd just like you to prove that Proto gear > skill (i.e. situational awareness, gungame, etc. etc.). No one has yet, so maybe you should start a revolution!
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 944	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:42:00 - [137] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So, one percent of the playerbase makes the game unplayable for the other 99%? Seems legit. I have enough money to protostomp, I choose not to. If you want to make ISK to protostomp, run cheap fits. When you still get stomped even though you're using Proto, don't come back and QQ about it. Sure you do buddy like I said prove it come and play with me or against me and prove it it's all talk until all of you guys that say you run starter fits on still can play and make a difference. i run militia to std gear all the time and i still find this game enjoyable and profittable. i can kill whole squads pf people just using a militia or stanadard scout and can take on a heavy with just my basic assault M-I suit Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 34	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:43:00 - [138] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So, one percent of the playerbase makes the game unplayable for the other 99%? Seems legit. I have enough money to protostomp, I choose not to. If you want to make ISK to protostomp, run cheap fits. When you still get stomped even though you're using Proto, don't come back and QQ about it. Sure you do buddy like I said prove it come and play with me or against me and prove it it's all talk until all of you guys that say you run starter fits on still can play and make a difference. i run militia to std gear all the time and i still find this game enjoyable and profittable. i can kill whole squads pf people just using a militia or stanadard scout and can take on a heavy with just my basic assault M-I suit And probably only play an hour a day.
Tupni Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 78	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:44:00 - [139] - Quote I for one have tens of millions of ISK to spare. My secret? I operate within my means even when it puts me at a disadvantage, seldom/never run Proto in a pub, try to stick with my team, only maintain a small buffer of suits/modules/equipment/weapons and restock as needed. Also, I don't constantly spawn into the killing zone or gravitate towards the city when I know that it's occupied by a skilled enemy force in ambush. Honestly, how can you call yourself a proper mercenary (someone who fights for money) if you don't know how to handle yourself to ACTUALLY MAKE money? Condescension aside, missions, and cooperative P/NPC play would be great but I wouldn't expect anything in the foreseeable future.
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 944	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:56:00 - [140] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: knight guard fury wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So, one percent of the playerbase makes the game unplayable for the other 99%? Seems legit. I have enough money to protostomp, I choose not to. If you want to make ISK to protostomp, run cheap fits. When you still get stomped even though you're using Proto, don't come back and QQ about it. Sure you do buddy like I said prove it come and play with me or against me and prove it it's all talk until all of you guys that say you run starter fits on still can play and make a difference. i run militia to std gear all the time and i still find this game enjoyable and profittable. i can kill whole squads pf people just using a militia or stanadard scout and can take on a heavy with just my basic assault M-I suit And probably only play an hour a day. im a dedicated dust 514 player, when ever i play i play for hours of the day usually on the weekend since i have school. i can play for hours and not rage at much since i use decently cheap gear. i probably play more than you do so you cant just say i only play an hour a day. i run std gear because its cheaper and its fun killing people wearing adv or proto and i make profit more than most people anyway. i recently had a pc against rust415 and we stomped them, and i didnt even need to use proto for that match. i have the Skill to be better than most people and kill most people with how i play wheter they r proto or not Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker

sabre prime The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 151	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:59:00 - [141] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So, one percent of the playerbase makes the game unplayable for the other 99%? Seems legit. I have enough money to protostomp, I choose not to. If you want to make ISK to protostomp, run cheap fits. When you still get stomped even though you're using Proto, don't come back and QQ about it. Sure you do buddy like I said prove it come and play with me or against me and prove it it's all talk until all of you guys that say you run starter fits on still can play and make a difference. Let me tell you a true story. This happened last week. I was in a match (dom I think), and it was getting to the end. I had been sniped a couple times by someone in a prototype caldari assault dropsuit. I decided to spawn back at the MCC in my starter fit plus std combat rifle. Walked up the hills and scanned around until I found the bastard. He was happily sniping away. Walked up behind him, lined up a headshot and pop pop! Then the match ended and we won. You'll never understand how satisfying that feeling is. I'm a closed beta vet. I have never had any proto suits. Only level 1 standard suits and some advanced basic frames. Mostly I run std and starter fits. I die on average about 7 times per match, but I still kill more. I consistently finish in the top 10, and get first place lots of times. I have improved as a player hugely over the last year. I'm not bragging, just trying to show that ISK efficiency is not a detriment to success. And I'm close to 100 million ISK now. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 853	Posted - 2014.03.28 22:14:00 - [142] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: And probably only play an hour a day. Keep making excuses.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion League of Infamy 548	Posted - 2014.03.28 22:18:00 - [143] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Run advanced logi, be number one on the board (400k isk,) die 6 times, and you just went negative
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 371	Posted - 2014.03.28 22:19:00 - [144] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Like in life the OP has been answered but doesn't like the answer so rejects it. It's simple, don't spend more than you make. How you do that is a big part of the fun and challenge of Dust. On this alt I am running strictly free starter fits, with good passive skills it actually performs pretty well and since it can't do much I only have to concentrate on a limited role, it's kind of relaxing, and it is all profit. I don't need ISK so I can transfer it to my other characters. Like I said come and prove your words are true Dom European server every day I still say it's all talk unless your hiding in a corner the whole match and what's the fun in that. Welll, I'll be on tonight if you want to squad up but I am not sure what it is you are challenging. My only claim is that I run in a free suit, enjoy doing it and find the suit to be decent with the passive skills at a good level. I'm not sure what you expect to find. Because, that's why.
Ded1cated Lunat1k Kinsho Swords Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.03.28 22:28:00 - [145] - Quote Funny thing is I am a 10M sp heavy with no proto suit and havent really squaded up much at all... I can easily profit and have anywhere from 20 - 25m on my account at any time... all it takes is smart builds and smart gameplay... This is NOT call of duty... where u can run a knife only and run through everyone because they are all ********... each person here has a decent idea of what is going on and how to play this game making it harder for the average person to get the upper hand... Also the level of weapons and suits only helps if u can sustain paying for it... if your not good enough to run proto gear then dont... advanced gear is more than strong enough (when used correctly in builds and tactics) to fight and kill just about anything... My advanced heavy actually does me better because i play like a weaker player in it and dont try to rush for kills Finally, its a game that is looking to make money... CCP is doing a great job at that seeing as probably a fifth of all kills i see in every game are aurum weapons... On top of that ive heard some of the top players are still running boosters and all that junk so yeah you need to realize that there has to be people that are the prey (sounds like you) and people who are the predators... And you would rather have an excess in predators than prey
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 34	Posted - 2014.03.28 22:30:00 - [146] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: Like in life the OP has been answered but doesn't like the answer so rejects it. It's simple, don't spend more than you make. How you do that is a big part of the fun and challenge of Dust. On this alt I am running strictly free starter fits, with good passive skills it actually performs pretty well and since it can't do much I only have to concentrate on a limited role, it's kind of relaxing, and it is all profit. I don't need ISK so I can transfer it to my other characters. Like I said come and prove your words are true Dom European server every day I still say it's all talk unless your hiding in a corner the whole match and what's the fun in that. Welll, I'll be on tonight if you want to squad up but I am not sure what it is you are challenging. My only claim is that I run in a free suit, enjoy doing it and find the suit to be decent with the passive skills at a good level. I'm not sure what you expect to find. I'll be on would like to play with ya Northwind is our chat line I'll be there.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1894	Posted - 2014.03.28 22:42:00 - [147] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: I haven't played PC outside of ringing for well over 5 months and I, myself hardly profited anyways. However I still manage to run some form of proto in pretty much every match while still keeping my wallet positive. Don't use it if you know you'll loose it very quickly. If my wallet is under my preset amount that I want to keep I just run cheaper suits and once I get over my amount I run better gear. Seriously, learn to either be better than your enemy or better manage your funds. Who cares if some scrubs have hundreds of millions ISK it still doesn't prevent you from killing them, the barrier is mostly skill anyways. tl;dr They'd roll you regardless of the suits, learn to manage your funds ^ +1. There are no excuses for not being able to play the game because you're broke - and if you're going to go negative in a match all the protogear in the universe ain't gonna save you, so stick to cheaper fits and modify your playstyle until you're effective. I support SP rollover.
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 368	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:17:00 - [148] - Quote saxonmish wrote: There should be a minigame in your merc quarters like a browser game sort of thing where it takes time but you can build up in this game and it brings you a source of income (passive isk) but you can be attacked on this game and it will stunt the income. every merc should have this in there merc quarters just so they can sit back and relax in there quarters instead of raging in the battlefield, this is an idea ive had for a while and i think it would be a good one it'll bring a different side to this game.maybe even add making weapons and suits in this mini game as a type of forge too. i dont know i just think its a good idea. I think the only way of doing something like this from the merc quarters would have to be gambling. Instead of a steady passive income (which inflates the economy) the money should just be transferred between merc, so the money flow is always moving but it's not causing inflation. Other then that I TOTALLY agree with you and look forward to the day I can gamble in this game. FW lvl10 reward Mobile Redlines Default FWRace
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:34:00 - [149] - Quote I take as given: a)DNS has a majort part of the top players in Dust 514. b)They took MH with the Gunpower and smart diplomatic movement. c)PC is broken d)the economy of the game is broken through PC e)Pub and FW matches suffer under the broken economy of the game d)Endgame (PC) should be accessible for the major part of prtofitting players What happens now is: a)proto stomp from PC corps that give to their members monthly/weekly paychecks b)new players don't wait 8 months to get proto fittings to play a pub match without being stomped.And then realize its to expansive to play with proto in pubs. They leave. c)veteran players leave the game because they are tald the endgame is not for them (in reality its broken) d)Multiple attacks on districts can happen. My prognosis for the future: a)Rich corps will lock districts again with the billions of ISK they have. If they see mass attacks on there districts show result. b)players leave the game because after they waited 8 months to get proto fittings they don't want to wait another 12months to burn the ISK of the Rich corps. Removing the timer from districts will fix the problem of accessibility of PC and the economy of the game. I looked to EvE to see how CCP did it in there successful game. In Eve you can: FIRST: attack the POS ( ISK maker ) anytime.The POS owner gets a mail that his POS is damaged. SECOND:Then he (defender) can choose to go there and fight or stay back and wait. This way you can make damage to the enemy wallet. THIRD:After you destroyed enough POS a timer starts for a battle over the sovereignty of the system. CCP has to find a way to bring this mechanic to Dust. Until then they have to remove the timer. That way more players, more corporations can take part of PC.
Cinnamon267 118	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:38:00 - [150] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I'd consider myself fairly wealthy (254mil ISK) but what I have pales in comparison to other folk's cash reserves. Viktor Hadah Jr has around a Billion if the rumors are true. CEO Pyrex, if his YouTube videos are anything to go buy, has 700-800 million. I don't understand how people make that much money... I'm sitting at 64-66 million at any given time. And I only have that much due to the fact, when Uprising came out, they sold all your assets and gave everything a shitload of money. There does need to be more ways of making money. How's about.... I don't know, the ability to sell all these effing useles dropships I have? That'd be swell.

Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 942	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:02:00 - [151] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff having no Isk sucks and all of you out there that say its great are lying or you must have a lot of money like I said if you have money or are in a rich corp do not comment because we don't care. You grind for a week in starter fits so you can play for a day in proto? WTF? You do realize that for the price of one day of proto you could run advanced all week? And that the gap between advanced and proto is tiny compared to the gap between starter fits and advanced? smh I do run advanced but when I run against another proto heavy he has a little bit of shield left and when I'm my proto heavy I run through them. The difference between an advanced heavy and a proto is only one slot. It's only 5% or so extra HP. If your opponent is still in shields then they still have 500HP+ left (possibly 1000HP+) and the extra slot proto would give you won't make any difference. You'll still die, just a fraction of a second later. And for that extra 5% you pay 500% extra for the suit. Even for relatively rich players like me it just doesn't add up. Believe me, you will not see my gk.0 sentinel in pubs. And for someone who is short of isk like you a proto heavy is pretty much the worst way you could possibly spend it. There is virtually no difference in performance level between advanced and proto for a heavy. The vast majority of encounters are decided well before you get into that final 5% of HP. The idea that you run through opponents in a proto heavy but are defenceless in advanced just doesn't reflect the hard numbers. It's all in your mind.
deezy dabest CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 278	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:41:00 - [152] - Quote Core skills maxed + knowing your niche + basic suits = never have an isk problem If you are having isk troubles you should probably try a different role. Once you find the spot you can break 800 points per match in an advanced or lower suit you are in the right spot. This is more true than ever in 1.8 with logi roles becoming heavily divided when it comes to players under 20 million SP. Really once you have found the role for you and skilled into it a bit you should easily be making 75 - 100k profit on average per pub match. To be clear yes I am a 1%er and was the same before my outside ventures in BPO codes. I was able to grind my first 100 million with no outside help of any kind.
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 240	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:46:00 - [153] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff having no Isk sucks and all of you out there that say its great are lying or you must have a lot of money like I said if you have money or are in a rich corp do not comment because we don't care. OR try this, make a cheaper Adv suit of your Proto suit and run that in PUBs. You will find it is almost just as effective and cost a hell lot less. Don't run what you can't afford plain and simple. ALSO don't spawn in what is getting camped! It's your choice to run proto no one is forcing you to run your BEST gear. I stay very competitive in my ADV suits. There is this new idea going around it is called "Money Mangament". You know the idea to save cash and not blow it on what you don't need. If I average 150k a macth and my suits cost 20k a match then I KNOW I can run 7 suits b4 I lose money. Same concept in real life involving a job. You don't see people broke, asking for money, crying for help from the government......wait I do I live in America. Maybe you should ask your corp that is "TAXING YOU", taking your wages for help. I'm sure they have programs available for the people that can't figure out how to keep cash in their pockets. It's really nobodies problem but your own. A game economy works the same as in real life. With out the people that blow every cent they make the economy wouldn't function. Try sending 25%someone of your earnings to a "bank" or Alt and forget about it for a couple weeks. You will amazed by how much you was able to save up. This does feel like it should be common sense....... LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
KGB Sleep 935	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:52:00 - [154] - Quote 1% That's BS. I have never been in a PC corp. I run Pubs and FW. I consistently maintain around 50 mil and run PRO whenever I want. I have dropships. I have tanks. What is your excuse? I always need more ISK to feel comfortable. But I never need it to function in Dust. Stay hungry merc. Because beer, that's why.
deezy dabest CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 279	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:54:00 - [155] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: 1% That's BS. I have never been in a PC corp. I run Pubs and FW. I consistently maintain around 50 mil and run PRO whenever I want. I have dropships. I have tanks. What is your excuse? I always need more ISK to feel comfortable. But I never need it to function in Dust. Stay hungry merc. Please repost so I can +1 that again. All it takes to be able to say this is being smart with your fittings and smart with your play.
Marc Rime 345	Posted - 2014.03.29 10:42:00 - [156] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk. You're supposed to buy AUR.
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 397	Posted - 2014.03.29 11:04:00 - [157] - Quote I'm still finding out when to go cheap and when to go all out. I favour cheap suits so I can stay profitable but that leaves me wanting to use an expensive dropsuit and deciding against it.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 225	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:13:00 - [158] - Quote sabre prime wrote: I'm a closed beta vet. I have never had any proto suits. Only level 1 standard suits and some advanced basic frames. Mostly I run std and starter fits. I die on average about 7 times per match, but I still kill more. I consistently finish in the top 10, and get first place lots of times. I have improved as a player hugely over the last year. I'm not bragging, just trying to show that ISK efficiency is not a detriment to success. And I'm close to 100 million ISK now. I'm in pretty much the same boat, I don't have any suits to proto either and the only stuff i regularly run above STD, is ADV plates and an R9. Welcome to you're "DOOM"
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3415	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:42:00 - [159] - Quote I was running ADV suits and breaking even with 3 or 4 deaths per 20 kills per match. Started running MLT during Operation Mauler and have been putting away ~20,000,000 ISK a week with my recent limited play time with most matches ending with a 1.5 - 5.0 KDR. Worse KDR (like I really give a ***), but I have a good amount of loot to spend on the new stuff when I finally get into 1.8 - just to show these chumps how real* Heavies run this mother ******. But nonetheless, we need PvE. Badly. Like, yesterday. I GÖú Kittens.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 667	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:46:00 - [160] - Quote Im an dropship pilot that is all you need to know "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3381	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:46:00 - [161] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Virtual Riot wrote: if isk was too easy to make for the average joe, ccp wouldn't have a business model Sad thing is if things don't change ccp isn't going to have a game that is only my opinion. It's not fact or opinion. It's wild speculation with no basis. This can also be defined as ignorance.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 415	Posted - 2014.03.29 13:55:00 - [162] - Quote Good day chaps! We can pickle that.
Poultryge1st Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:18:00 - [163] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: What difference is it going to be to you, if you get murdered by players or drones, you still lose ISK :) I think it's interesting that people just assume that the drones are going to be some easy mode that is going to make them tons of isk. Trust me people if it's easy then there will be very little isk made, and I would think that the more difficult drone fights will cause you to loose suites.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1790	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:19:00 - [164] - Quote Eww, poor people Forums>Dead and dying game I was in Corps before Corps where even recognized.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 40	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:40:00 - [165] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Eww, poor people Does your corp pay for your equipment ,dropsuits ,guns.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 40	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:50:00 - [166] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I'd consider myself fairly wealthy (254mil ISK) but what I have pales in comparison to other folk's cash reserves. Viktor Hadah Jr has around a Billion if the rumors are true. A billion man I would love that.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 330	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:41:00 - [167] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Logi Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 92	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:55:00 - [168] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so hold on a second....... 1% of people are wealthy, while the other 99% of people aren't, yet MOST people run Proto....... That's a bit of a paradox isn't it? Most people cant afford to play yet most people run proto....... Or maybe, cheap 20k isk suits are just too hard to work with? Oh wait, i went 25-2 with one last night, and repeatedly got results like that with a suit that only cost that much. Only when you have all of your girlfriends around. Solo you do not go 25/2 very often. (unless you join/quit until there is an obvious pub-stomp). I am guessing you are that type of scrub though. Watch your back because I might be there.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 967	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:09:00 - [169] - Quote I play to have fun. If it's 100% necessary to run proto a match to survive, i'll do it. Pre 1.7 that's what i did(min assault/mk.0 scout, call me a protostomper.) as it was 99% necessary to keep your scouty ass alive more than 2 seconds. 1.8 its possible to run an Ishy SMG on my G-1 scout o.o My min needs advanced to not require a PG mod- even now it's either a CPU(plc/flaylok....shaddap.) or a PG(running something in my 2nd equip...sue me.) I refuse to gve honor to your 'god' so therefore i dual tank. Also i feel itchy. Anybody got a tube of Rust-It?
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 967	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:10:00 - [170] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Marston VC wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so hold on a second....... 1% of people are wealthy, while the other 99% of people aren't, yet MOST people run Proto....... That's a bit of a paradox isn't it? Most people cant afford to play yet most people run proto....... Or maybe, cheap 20k isk suits are just too hard to work with? Oh wait, i went 25-2 with one last night, and repeatedly got results like that with a suit that only cost that much. Only when you have all of your girlfriends around. Solo you do not go 25/2 very often. (unless you join/quit until there is an obvious pub-stomp). I am guessing you are that type of scrub though. Ever heard of not being bad? Just grab some remotes, a shotty and a SMG. I refuse to gve honor to your 'god' so therefore i dual tank. Also i feel itchy. Anybody got a tube of Rust-It?

saxonmish Third Rock From The Sun 45	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:15:00 - [171] - Quote when i proto stomp i dont really lose isk i always end up with the same amount of isk i started with. so my advice, if your suit hasent gotten atleast all of the pasive modules to lvl4, dont run proto i get supprised when i attack a proto suit and it has a total hp of 385 or even lower. 8th in the world for kills. NOT GONNA STOP SLAYING TILL IM NO.1.
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:26:00 - [172] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Losing 2 million isk in pubs is far from uncommon for me. The more stuff trying to shoot down my Incubus, the more likely I am to deploy again and attempt to overcome the wall of death closing in around me. #stubbornaf Come see me! I will t-bone ur dropship before you even get a kill. I will gladely trade my 30k ship for yours. Signed, Sealed, Delivered
AntanTheBeast G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 155	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:51:00 - [173] - Quote I have a decent amount of ISK. It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5568	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:09:00 - [174] - Quote Player market and more salvage would help immensely. I would sell so many officer weapons.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4565	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:14:00 - [175] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Losing 2 million isk in pubs is far from uncommon for me. The more stuff trying to shoot down my Incubus, the more likely I am to deploy again and attempt to overcome the wall of death closing in around me. #stubbornaf Have you ever considered not constantly using something that costs hundreds of thousands of ISK in a pub match? I am your scan error.
Doc Browner Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 226	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:19:00 - [176] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot Or, it might be I want to fight on equal footing with the stompers, Why should I be forced to run my BPO's while the Nyian Scammers can run their stolen AUR suits 24/7. Or district lockers run their free proto suits ALL THE TIME. It's annoying to get GG messages after a loss when your surrounded by Proto and most blueberries are protecting the MCC out of fear. I spill my Blood for Freedom and righteousness
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1889	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:23:00 - [177] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Player market and more salvage would help immensely. I would sell so many officer weapons.... Player market will just make things worse. Those who are already suckling at the teat of ill-gotten Passive Isk will just push everyone out of it by virtue of being ridiculously wealthy. Personally, I am not looking forward to the player market as much as I once did, it'll be just as broken even before release (just like we told them PC was). Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5575	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:56:00 - [178] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Player market and more salvage would help immensely. I would sell so many officer weapons.... Player market will just make things worse. Those who are already suckling at the teat of ill-gotten Passive Isk will just push everyone out of it by virtue of being ridiculously wealthy. Personally, I am not looking forward to the player market as much as I once did, it'll be just as broken even before release (just like we told them PC was). So you'd rather that some be wealthy and others broke? Instead of most being able to sell gear and make their way? I'm not criticizing you, just confused as to your line of thought. I'd rather everyone have the chance to be rich rather than most be broke. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 44	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:56:00 - [179] - Quote Even just a place to trade stuff would be nice.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 44	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:02:00 - [180] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Player market and more salvage would help immensely. I would sell so many officer weapons.... Player market will just make things worse. Those who are already suckling at the teat of ill-gotten Passive Isk will just push everyone out of it by virtue of being ridiculously wealthy. Personally, I am not looking forward to the player market as much as I once did, it'll be just as broken even before release (just like we told them PC was). So you'd rather that some be wealthy and others broke? Instead of most being able to sell gear and make their way? I'm not criticizing you, just confused as to your line of thought. I'd rather everyone have the chance to be rich rather than most be broke. Well said.

waistr DEAD-MEN-WALKING 138	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:17:00 - [181] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot I can not agree more I am constantly counselling players to think before the skill up there weapons or suits, they are sure this will make them better players. I always suggest they look at the things that wont necessarily encourage them to spend more ISK like, shields, armor, engineering, rapid reload, hacking,etc. I get these things appear boring, but they are essential. most will ignore this advice and go straight for better and much more expensive equipment, which they quickly loose because they have an out of balance suit that is financially unsustainable...and.... sadly... let the begging for isk begin I am isk rich manly because I have the skills to run a very cheap suit and hold my own, 1st thing I check is how much it costs, and that is the deciding factor as to when and how much I use it. sorry if this comes across as "preachy"
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 44	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:30:00 - [182] - Quote waistr wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot I can not agree more I am constantly counselling players to think before the skill up there weapons or suits, they are sure this will make them better players. I always suggest they look at the things that wont necessarily encourage them to spend more ISK like, shields, armor, engineering, rapid reload, hacking,etc. I get these things appear boring, but they are essential. most will ignore this advice and go straight for better and much more expensive equipment, which they quickly loose because they have an out of balance suit that is financially unsustainable...and.... sadly... let the begging for isk begin I am isk rich manly because I have the skills to run a very cheap suit and hold my own, 1st thing I check is how much it costs, and that is the deciding factor as to when and how much I use it. sorry if this comes across as "preachy" I understand that people run cheap suits but hiding in a corner until the game is over doesn't sound fun to me there is no way a cheap fit can go up against what I'm seeing on the battlefield.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 544	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:42:00 - [183] - Quote Can I ask something? The OP is clearly speaking of the 1% whose wealth is just absolutely insane compared to the rest of the community, I myself am sitting on nearly half a billion, and have spent nearly that much on lol worthy things or just throwing it away. So, then, why, are people bringing up running cheap suits? At best a pub game is going to give you 500k, lowest 150k, and on average, 250k. I highly, highly, doubt any of you runs a free suit, true to the name. You do use mods, and better then MLT or STD ones. You have too, there's always someone running around in proto wiping out the other team, and you need to in some way keep up. Without being able to kill - you can't get the higher pay checks. Not saying such a free suit is impossible to get kills with, it's just unlikely you'll not get frustrated at some point after a few losses in a row vs stacked squads or all your kills are taken by higher DPS weapons The disparity between player like myself, who almost do nothing but PC all day, never touching pubs but to chat in squads or get Loyalty Points, compared to the average Dust Joe, is pretty immense. And no one running free suits all day and with more play time then me by half a year even will come close to my wallet. So, instead of trying to get people to run free suits, why aren't you encouraging them to join PC? It only takes about 10mil SP to be competitive.
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 967	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:43:00 - [184] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: waistr wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot I can not agree more I am constantly counselling players to think before the skill up there weapons or suits, they are sure this will make them better players. I always suggest they look at the things that wont necessarily encourage them to spend more ISK like, shields, armor, engineering, rapid reload, hacking,etc. I get these things appear boring, but they are essential. most will ignore this advice and go straight for better and much more expensive equipment, which they quickly loose because they have an out of balance suit that is financially unsustainable...and.... sadly... let the begging for isk begin I am isk rich manly because I have the skills to run a very cheap suit and hold my own, 1st thing I check is how much it costs, and that is the deciding factor as to when and how much I use it. sorry if this comes across as "preachy" I understand that people run cheap suits but hiding in a corner until the game is over doesn't sound fun to me there is no way a cheap fit can go up against what I'm seeing on the battlefield. your mistaken my good sir, ive fought many adv-proto suits with just a modified starter fit Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn 765	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:45:00 - [185] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot I am a full time maxxed out ADS pilot, so there isnt anything else i can run which doesnt affect my "gungame" (make me lose practice) "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1508	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:00:00 - [186] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: I run my advanced heavy suit and die to a proto heavy I put on my proto heavy and I run through most heavies.so you can't say running cheaper suits are better like I said in theory it's perfect in reality it's not so good no matter what any of you rich players say. no. nyet. nel verbotten! militia heavy basic hmg militia shield basic smg militia repper UNDER 7k makes ISK every match militia scout militia uplink basic uplink militia ar, basic smg militia cardio militia kincat makes ISK every match or change militia uplink for basic cloak makes ISK every match trust me on this been running militia since Sony gave out keys for the PSN Dust 514 stress test. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 44	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:06:00 - [187] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: [quote=Enki Kalgarian]I run my advanced heavy suit and die to a proto heavy I put on my proto heavy and I run through most heavies.so you can't say running cheaper suits are better like I said in theory it's perfect in reality it's not so good no matter what any of you rich players say. no. nyet. nel verbotten! militia heavy basic hmg militia shield basic smg militia repper UNDER 7k makes ISK every match militia scout militia uplink basic uplink militia ar, basic smg militia cardio militia kincat makes ISK every match or change militia uplink for basic cloak makes ISK every match trust me on this been running militia since Sony gave out keys for the PSN Dust 514 stress test. [/quote Prove your words come and fight with us you can find us on Northwind chat.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1508	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:06:00 - [188] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: Can I ask something? The OP is clearly speaking of the 1% whose wealth is just absolutely insane compared to the rest of the community, I myself am sitting on nearly half a billion, and have spent nearly that much on lol worthy things or just throwing it away. So, then, why, are people bringing up running cheap suits? At best a pub game is going to give you 500k, lowest 150k, and on average, 250k. I highly, highly, doubt any of you runs a free suit, true to the name. You do use mods, and better then MLT or STD ones. You have too, there's always someone running around in proto wiping out the other team, and you need to in some way keep up. Without being able to kill - you can't get the higher pay checks. Not saying such a free suit is impossible to get kills with, it's just unlikely you'll not get frustrated at some point after a few losses in a row vs stacked squads or all your kills are taken by higher DPS weapons The disparity between player like myself, who almost do nothing but PC all day, never touching pubs but to chat in squads or get Loyalty Points, compared to the average Dust Joe, is pretty immense. And no one running free suits all day and with more play time then me by half a year even will come close to my wallet. So, instead of trying to get people to run free suits, why aren't you encouraging them to join PC? It only takes about 10mil SP to be competitive. pauses replaying Fallout 3 running militia and getting kills used to take gungame but now with harrypotter villa at an objectives whose "gungame" is hide in corners and then shotgun.....lol .......dust playtime for me is way LOWER goes back to playing Fallout 3 Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
waistr DEAD-MEN-WALKING 138	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:09:00 - [189] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: waistr wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot I can not agree more I am constantly counselling players to think before the skill up there weapons or suits, they are sure this will make them better players. I always suggest they look at the things that wont necessarily encourage them to spend more ISK like, shields, armor, engineering, rapid reload, hacking,etc. I get these things appear boring, but they are essential. most will ignore this advice and go straight for better and much more expensive equipment, which they quickly loose because they have an out of balance suit that is financially unsustainable...and.... sadly... let the begging for isk begin I am isk rich manly because I have the skills to run a very cheap suit and hold my own, 1st thing I check is how much it costs, and that is the deciding factor as to when and how much I use it. sorry if this comes across as "preachy" I understand that people run cheap suits but hiding in a corner until the game is over doesn't sound fun to me there is no way a cheap fit can go up against what I'm seeing on the battlefield. Never hide pick your spots, play within the limits of the fit you are running go with a cheap suit to start, if the battle is going in your favor, change to a more expensive fit. if you up against a team of proto stomper, stay with the less expensive suits, have fun, experiment with different basic fits
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1508	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:10:00 - [190] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: [quote=Enki Kalgarian]I run my advanced heavy suit and die to a proto heavy I put on my proto heavy and I run through most heavies.so you can't say running cheaper suits are better like I said in theory it's perfect in reality it's not so good no matter what any of you rich players say. no. nyet. nel verbotten! militia heavy basic hmg militia shield basic smg militia repper UNDER 7k makes ISK every match militia scout militia uplink basic uplink militia ar, basic smg militia cardio militia kincat makes ISK every match or change militia uplink for basic cloak makes ISK every match trust me on this been running militia since Sony gave out keys for the PSN Dust 514 stress test. [/quote Prove your words come and fight with us you can find us on Northwind chat. sure why do you find it difficult to believe rich folks run militia ? Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance

Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 44	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:14:00 - [191] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: [quote=Enki Kalgarian]I run my advanced heavy suit and die to a proto heavy I put on my proto heavy and I run through most heavies.so you can't say running cheaper suits are better like I said in theory it's perfect in reality it's not so good no matter what any of you rich players say. no. nyet. nel verbotten! militia heavy basic hmg militia shield basic smg militia repper UNDER 7k makes ISK every match militia scout militia uplink basic uplink militia ar, basic smg militia cardio militia kincat makes ISK every match or change militia uplink for basic cloak makes ISK every match trust me on this been running militia since Sony gave out keys for the PSN Dust 514 stress test. [/quote Prove your words come and fight with us you can find us on Northwind chat. sure why do you find it difficult to believe rich folks run militia ? I believe that people do I just don't think a starter fit or militia fits can stand up to the protos I'm seeing everywhere come and play and see if you guys can change our minds.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 44	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:15:00 - [192] - Quote waistr wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: waistr wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot I can not agree more I am constantly counselling players to think before the skill up there weapons or suits, they are sure this will make them better players. I always suggest they look at the things that wont necessarily encourage them to spend more ISK like, shields, armor, engineering, rapid reload, hacking,etc. I get these things appear boring, but they are essential. most will ignore this advice and go straight for better and much more expensive equipment, which they quickly loose because they have an out of balance suit that is financially unsustainable...and.... sadly... let the begging for isk begin I am isk rich manly because I have the skills to run a very cheap suit and hold my own, 1st thing I check is how much it costs, and that is the deciding factor as to when and how much I use it. sorry if this comes across as "preachy" I understand that people run cheap suits but hiding in a corner until the game is over doesn't sound fun to me there is no way a cheap fit can go up against what I'm seeing on the battlefield. Never hide pick your spots, play within the limits of the fit you are running go with a cheap suit to start, if the battle is going in your favor, change to a more expensive fit. if you up against a team of proto stomper, stay with the less expensive suits, have fun, experiment with different basic fits I hear what your saying.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 2350	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:22:00 - [193] - Quote I have found this quote from the literature archives of an unknown source. It translates as follows: "You can not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong." Us 1% gives you lowly 99% something to aspire to, to strive, to be better. We are Gods among clones. Use this as inspiration and go forth. One day you may be in the likes of us. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1508	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:24:00 - [194] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: waistr wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: waistr wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot I can not agree more I am constantly counselling players to think before the skill up there weapons or suits, they are sure this will make them better players. I always suggest they look at the things that wont necessarily encourage them to spend more ISK like, shields, armor, engineering, rapid reload, hacking,etc. I get these things appear boring, but they are essential. most will ignore this advice and go straight for better and much more expensive equipment, which they quickly loose because they have an out of balance suit that is financially unsustainable...and.... sadly... let the begging for isk begin I am isk rich manly because I have the skills to run a very cheap suit and hold my own, 1st thing I check is how much it costs, and that is the deciding factor as to when and how much I use it. sorry if this comes across as "preachy" I understand that people run cheap suits but hiding in a corner until the game is over doesn't sound fun to me there is no way a cheap fit can go up against what I'm seeing on the battlefield. Never hide pick your spots, play within the limits of the fit you are running go with a cheap suit to start, if the battle is going in your favor, change to a more expensive fit. if you up against a team of proto stomper, stay with the less expensive suits, have fun, experiment with different basic fits I hear what your saying. kill protos? low isk? minmatar militia scout militia shotgun basic cloak OHK militia kicat militia cardio harrypotter villa but it works but I do think its unfair to shoot while being cloaked thats why my dust playtime is way down Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 44	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:29:00 - [195] - Quote If any of you can prove to me that running starter fits and or militia fits can stand up to what we are seeing on the battlefield come and play with us we usually play Dom on the Europe server or join our channel Northwind.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 44	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:32:00 - [196] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: I have found this quote from the literature archives of an unknown source. It translates as follows: "You can not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong." Us 1% gives you lowly 99% something to aspire to, to strive, to be better. We are Gods among clones. Use this as inspiration and go forth. One day you may be in the likes of us. Rich people thinking they are gods there's the problem.i will follow you as my god if you give me some Isk .
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2266	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:36:00 - [197] - Quote Oh boy Looks like Michael Moore is playing dust There is no economy yet, so people shouldn't jump to conclusions The problem with tanks
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 331	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:37:00 - [198] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Losing 2 million isk in pubs is far from uncommon for me. The more stuff trying to shoot down my Incubus, the more likely I am to deploy again and attempt to overcome the wall of death closing in around me. #stubbornaf Come see me! I will t-bone ur dropship before you even get a kill. I will gladely trade my 30k ship for yours. Scrub Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 78	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:43:00 - [199] - Quote if everyone is running proto suits like you say in your OP then only 1% doesn't have money
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 700	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:45:00 - [200] - Quote I am the 1 % Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 590	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:46:00 - [201] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Grit Breather wrote: You just described the USA. And like the 1% in America they have so many excuses why the 99% are broke and don't care at all. all that matters to them "ccp"is making money. well ccp is a buisness. thats sorta what there goal is. also how would you fix isk distribution while still making isk desirable and necesarry It'll help define roles, i promise:)
Mr Retsof VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 62	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:47:00 - [202] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: I have found this quote from the literature archives of an unknown source. It translates as follows: "You can not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong." Us 1% gives you lowly 99% something to aspire to, to strive, to be better. We are Gods among clones. Use this as inspiration and go forth. One day you may be in the likes of us. Rich people thinking they are gods there's the problem.i will follow you as my god if you give me some Isk . hmmm...???.... should I or shouldn't I.....? Current amount of "pocket change"- 175,000,000 isk Don't even ask me what's in my wallet...it'll only make you feel bad
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 170	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:49:00 - [203] - Quote I tax myself 25% in weekdays and to 50% in weekends. Pilot: (Tanks / Assault Dropships) Skype: GVGMODE
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 47	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:49:00 - [204] - Quote low genius wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise. The 1% did not save they got it from a broken planetary conquest and getting money from the Eve side for that short time before ccp stop that but did not take away the money those corps got . There is just a handful of corps and players that we will never be able to stand up to ever.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 47	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:52:00 - [205] - Quote Mr Retsof VI wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: I have found this quote from the literature archives of an unknown source. It translates as follows: "You can not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong." Us 1% gives you lowly 99% something to aspire to, to strive, to be better. We are Gods among clones. Use this as inspiration and go forth. One day you may be in the likes of us. Rich people thinking they are gods there's the problem.i will follow you as my god if you give me some Isk . hmmm...???.... should I or shouldn't I.....? I think you should
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 590	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:52:00 - [206] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: waistr wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot I can not agree more I am constantly counselling players to think before the skill up there weapons or suits, they are sure this will make them better players. I always suggest they look at the things that wont necessarily encourage them to spend more ISK like, shields, armor, engineering, rapid reload, hacking,etc. I get these things appear boring, but they are essential. most will ignore this advice and go straight for better and much more expensive equipment, which they quickly loose because they have an out of balance suit that is financially unsustainable...and.... sadly... let the begging for isk begin I am isk rich manly because I have the skills to run a very cheap suit and hold my own, 1st thing I check is how much it costs, and that is the deciding factor as to when and how much I use it. sorry if this comes across as "preachy" I understand that people run cheap suits but hiding in a corner until the game is over doesn't sound fun to me there is no way a cheap fit can go up against what I'm seeing on the battlefield. dropsuit upgrades make the suit shields and armor lvl 5 +25% ehp the tree profile related skills help tremendously theirs even one that makes you run faster. and plus some of the weapon skills(not just the ones that unlock a new weapon) do pretty awesome It'll help define roles, i promise:)
Mr Retsof VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 62	Posted - 2014.03.30 17:57:00 - [207] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Mr Retsof VI wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: I have found this quote from the literature archives of an unknown source. It translates as follows: "You can not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong." Us 1% gives you lowly 99% something to aspire to, to strive, to be better. We are Gods among clones. Use this as inspiration and go forth. One day you may be in the likes of us. Rich people thinking they are gods there's the problem.i will follow you as my god if you give me some Isk . hmmm...???.... should I or shouldn't I.....? I think you should ok. I'll send you 10 million isk when I log on in about 15 minutes. You do not have to call me 'God", but the 1st person that you kill with weapons from my gift you must tea bag....or die trying..... that is all. Total given out in last 2 days is now 53,000,000 isk...it didn't even make a dent.... Current amount of "pocket change"- 175,000,000 isk Don't even ask me what's in my wallet...it'll only make you feel bad
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 47	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:09:00 - [208] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: You just described the USA. The funny thing is in America and in the game of Dust 514 the rich are making up excuses why the poor are poor instead of trying to make things better.
Mr Retsof VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 63	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:33:00 - [209] - Quote damn.... "Enki" is a popular first name.....hahahaha...strange, does it mean something ? Current amount of "pocket change"- 150,000,000 isk Don't even ask me what's in my wallet...it'll only make you feel bad
waistr DEAD-MEN-WALKING 139	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:42:00 - [210] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: If any of you can prove to me that running starter fits and or militia fits can stand up to what we are seeing on the battlefield come and play with us we usually play Dom on the Europe server or join our channel Northwind. Time to put my money where my mouth is... eh? I accept your challenge, my good man. I will play with a starter frontline and a basic uplink so far its going as expected not great but not awful in 3 matches so far lost 18k made 250K and its kind of fun...

Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 50	Posted - 2014.03.30 18:55:00 - [211] - Quote waistr wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: If any of you can prove to me that running starter fits and or militia fits can stand up to what we are seeing on the battlefield come and play with us we usually play Dom on the Europe server or join our channel Northwind. Time to put my money where my mouth is... eh? I accept your challenge, my good man. I will play with a starter frontline and a basic uplink so far its going as expected not great but not awful in 3 matches so far lost 18k made 250K and its kind of fun... Hope to see ya.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 50	Posted - 2014.03.30 19:00:00 - [212] - Quote Mr Retsof VI wrote: damn.... "Enki" is a popular first name.....hahahaha...strange, does it mean something ? In Sumerian it means lord of the earth.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 52	Posted - 2014.03.30 21:10:00 - [213] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I was someone who was vehemently against pve in dust, as it would take away development of the pvp aspect. I just started playing eve about a week ago. I now understand and see the light. We need pve in dust and we need it badly. Would love Pve
neausea 1987 R 0 N 1 N 90	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:16:00 - [214] - Quote i started of with nothing and now i have over 150 mill. no handouts no ccp refund just proper management and good games per average. if you give a bum money he will still be a bum people use their money on stuff they cant afford or dont need then next thing you know.... oh can you lend me some ISK..... **** no ya'll know the motto if you ain't got no money take yo broke ass home useless ass mercs. GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ ....... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ ......... Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ i need more QQ tears MORE!!!!!!
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 323	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:39:00 - [215] - Quote If this has been mention already, please disregard. The ability to sell useless salvage should be one of our main sources of income... still waiting for that player market, CCP... it's ridiculous that suposedly in an mmo game you can't even resell items to NPC merchants... stupid even. "Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!" -Badass Gallante Sentinel- I feed on tanker tears...
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 642	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:41:00 - [216] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: low genius wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise. The 1% did not save they got it from a broken planetary conquest and getting money from the Eve side for that short time before ccp stop that but did not take away the money those corps got . There is just a handful of corps and players that we will never be able to stand up to ever. I have almost 500 million isk, all earned through pubs. I would gladly go back to ZERO along kwith everyone else if it would help balance the game//market. Fixing swarms
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2318	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:45:00 - [217] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Twice in a full Proto Suit is enough to go ISK negative. Also when your being stoped by 12 NS killing you as you drop from the MCC 20 deaths would be a god send. Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9064	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:58:00 - [218] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Twice in a full Proto Suit is enough to go ISK negative. Also when your being stoped by 12 NS killing you as you drop from the MCC 20 deaths would be a god send. If I lost a fully kitted out Proto Commando I would loose 200k+ "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9064	Posted - 2014.03.30 23:59:00 - [219] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: low genius wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise. The 1% did not save they got it from a broken planetary conquest and getting money from the Eve side for that short time before ccp stop that but did not take away the money those corps got . There is just a handful of corps and players that we will never be able to stand up to ever. I have almost 500 million isk, all earned through pubs. I would gladly go back to ZERO along kwith everyone else if it would help balance the game//market. Tell me your secret you magnificent corpie! All of my wealth is tied up in EVE. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 737	Posted - 2014.03.31 00:04:00 - [220] - Quote 1% r rich.. but about .25% of that 1% earned through cheapsuits in pubs..

Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 73	Posted - 2014.03.31 00:13:00 - [221] - Quote When you max out your core skills you'll find that your starter BPO fits are incredibly robust. My Gallente Starter Fit could get over 600ehp and still carry decent weapons and equipment. Here are some tips: 1) Save up ISK and then restock in bulk. Like, 100+ at a time. Of everything. Suits, weapons, equipment, everything. Then when you have a bad game, you're not down and out. If you play and your net is ISK positive, a few bad games here and there won't hurt you. If you do this and you stay ISK negative, then you need to adapt your playstyle. 2) Don't wait until you're flat broke to run your cheap fits. Once you get below a certain threshold, run cheap fits and nothing else until you get back above said threshold. My threshold is currently set at 5 million ISK. When I get below that, I run fits that I know with certainty allow me to go ISK positive. I just restocked everything (ADV & Basic suits, weapons, equipment, modules, everything). I got down to just over 2.5 million ISK. For the time being I plan to run my cheap fits and save up until I get at least 10 million ISK. Then I plan to send ISK in increments to a bank toon (out of sight, out of mind...this leads me to my next point). 3) Create a bank toon. Make another PSN account, it takes all of 5 minutes, and create another DUST character. This will serve two purposes...one, it will give you a character to sit and rack of passive SP over time. As you log in, after a few months you'll have a respectable amount of SP to play with. It can make for a fun break from your main. Two, it acts as a bank for your main toon such that it keeps you from spending ISK as easily on your main. Send your bank toon ISK in increments (250k, 500k, 1M, 5M, whatever works for you) and then forget about it. Keep your min above the aforementioned ISK threshold, and when the time comes you'll realize you've saved quite a pretty penny on your bank toon. Hope this helps. 3/10 Federal Marines 3/10 Republic Command Commando Pride
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 52	Posted - 2014.03.31 00:58:00 - [222] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: When you max out your core skills you'll find that your starter BPO fits are incredibly robust. My Gallente Starter Fit could get over 600ehp and still carry decent weapons and equipment. Here are some tips: 1) Save up ISK and then restock in bulk. Like, 100+ at a time. Of everything. Suits, weapons, equipment, everything. Then when you have a bad game, you're not down and out. If you play and your net is ISK positive, a few bad games here and there won't hurt you. If you do this and you stay ISK negative, then you need to adapt your playstyle. 2) Don't wait until you're flat broke to run your cheap fits. Once you get below a certain threshold, run cheap fits and nothing else until you get back above said threshold. My threshold is currently set at 5 million ISK. When I get below that, I run fits that I know with certainty allow me to go ISK positive. I just restocked everything (ADV & Basic suits, weapons, equipment, modules, everything). I got down to just over 2.5 million ISK. For the time being I plan to run my cheap fits and save up until I get at least 10 million ISK. Then I plan to send ISK in increments to a bank toon (out of sight, out of mind...this leads me to my next point). 3) Create a bank toon. Make another PSN account, it takes all of 5 minutes, and create another DUST character. This will serve two purposes...one, it will give you a character to sit and rack of passive SP over time. As you log in, after a few months you'll have a respectable amount of SP to play with. It can make for a fun break from your main. Two, it acts as a bank for your main toon such that it keeps you from spending ISK as easily on your main. Send your bank toon ISK in increments (250k, 500k, 1M, 5M, whatever works for you) and then forget about it. Keep your min above the aforementioned ISK threshold, and when the time comes you'll realize you've saved quite a pretty penny on your bank toon. Hope this helps. Thanks
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 73	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:01:00 - [223] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: When you max out your core skills you'll find that your starter BPO fits are incredibly robust. My Gallente Starter Fit could get over 600ehp and still carry decent weapons and equipment. Here are some tips: 1) Save up ISK and then restock in bulk. Like, 100+ at a time. Of everything. Suits, weapons, equipment, everything. Then when you have a bad game, you're not down and out. If you play and your net is ISK positive, a few bad games here and there won't hurt you. If you do this and you stay ISK negative, then you need to adapt your playstyle. 2) Don't wait until you're flat broke to run your cheap fits. Once you get below a certain threshold, run cheap fits and nothing else until you get back above said threshold. My threshold is currently set at 5 million ISK. When I get below that, I run fits that I know with certainty allow me to go ISK positive. I just restocked everything (ADV & Basic suits, weapons, equipment, modules, everything). I got down to just over 2.5 million ISK. For the time being I plan to run my cheap fits and save up until I get at least 10 million ISK. Then I plan to send ISK in increments to a bank toon (out of sight, out of mind...this leads me to my next point). 3) Create a bank toon. Make another PSN account, it takes all of 5 minutes, and create another DUST character. This will serve two purposes...one, it will give you a character to sit and rack of passive SP over time. As you log in, after a few months you'll have a respectable amount of SP to play with. It can make for a fun break from your main. Two, it acts as a bank for your main toon such that it keeps you from spending ISK as easily on your main. Send your bank toon ISK in increments (250k, 500k, 1M, 5M, whatever works for you) and then forget about it. Keep your min above the aforementioned ISK threshold, and when the time comes you'll realize you've saved quite a pretty penny on your bank toon. Hope this helps. Thanks You're welcome. Feel free to add me in game and hit me up if you have any questions or want more pointers. 3/10 Federal Marines 3/10 Republic Command Commando Pride
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 77	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:02:00 - [224] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk. lol poor people i remember when i was poor, couldn't afford a gek -Open Beta Vet 19 mil sp- Laser+Flaylock Dust 514 recruitment link here.
Anuliadon Gortusk Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 81	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:03:00 - [225] - Quote Peasants try working. Last I check basic suits are fairly cheap to run. Peasants.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 191	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:36:00 - [226] - Quote All beta players are should not have isk issues. They need to open eve markets :(
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 53	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:50:00 - [227] - Quote Anuliadon Gortusk wrote: Peasants try working. Last I check basic suits are fairly cheap to run. Peasants. Does your corp pay for you to play or do they just hord all of the Isk from PC battles.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 74	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:53:00 - [228] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Anuliadon Gortusk wrote: Peasants try working. Last I check basic suits are fairly cheap to run. Peasants. Does your corp pay for you to play or do they just hord all of the Isk from PC battles. Not everyone's corp does PC battles, and not everyone in a corp that does PC battles partakes in the battles themselves. My corp does PC battles but I personally have just under 9M SP and due to poor skill choices early in my DUST career I am nowhere near having a proto fit. As such, I do not take part in PC battles. PC battles are where the proto gear comes out and the combat is no holds barred. 3/10 Federal Marines 3/10 Republic Command Commando Pride
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 53	Posted - 2014.03.31 01:58:00 - [229] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Anuliadon Gortusk wrote: Peasants try working. Last I check basic suits are fairly cheap to run. Peasants. Does your corp pay for you to play or do they just hord all of the Isk from PC battles. Not everyone's corp does PC battles, and not everyone in a corp that does PC battles partakes in the battles themselves. My corp does PC battles but I personally have just under 9M SP and due to poor skill choices early in my DUST career I am nowhere near having a proto fit. As such, I do not take part in PC battles. PC battles are where the proto gear comes out and the combat is no holds barred. But if you were a full out proto and you we're to participate in PC battle would your corp pay for all of you stuff.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 54	Posted - 2014.03.31 02:17:00 - [230] - Quote Mr Retsof VI wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Mr Retsof VI wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: I have found this quote from the literature archives of an unknown source. It translates as follows: "You can not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong." Us 1% gives you lowly 99% something to aspire to, to strive, to be better. We are Gods among clones. Use this as inspiration and go forth. One day you may be in the likes of us. Rich people thinking they are gods there's the problem.i will follow you as my god if you give me some Isk . hmmm...???.... should I or shouldn't I.....? I think you should ok. I'll send you 10 million isk when I log on in about 15 minutes. You do not have to call me 'God", but the 1st person that you kill with weapons from my gift you must tea bag....or die trying..... that is all. Total given out in last 2 days from this post is now 53,000,000 isk... Your a good guy man take care.

Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 128	Posted - 2014.03.31 02:36:00 - [231] - Quote I'm floating around 140 million isk right now, not because I'm in a rich corp, but because I just dont really like using proto gear, i fluctuate between free to level 3 dropsuits and equipment.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 2729	Posted - 2014.03.31 02:49:00 - [232] - Quote Or, CCP could just increase the pub payouts again. I do wish that there was another way for corps to make ISK as well. If you have 90 players on all day, then tax would be decent but most corps don' thave those numbers. weRideNDie2getha since 2010 (https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts)
deezy dabest CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 281	Posted - 2014.03.31 03:34:00 - [233] - Quote I am looking for a group of 32 of the so called 1% to join me in a 2 sided q-sync into a pub domination for an all out isk blood bath so that I and hopefully a couple of others can film the payout results. My goal here is to prove that with the way the pub payouts work the guy at the bottom of the board who did nothing should be thanking the two guys running proto who died twice and increased theirs and everyone elses payout. The channel for this is " Payout Proof " Please be ready to run a series of very expensive pub contracts. My goal is to run a series of 3 matches where I achieve a set number of points to compare the payout on film for everyone to see. The process will go like this: 1 squad running ADV gear into a pub. 1 squad running PROTO gear into a pub. 2 squads running ADV sync into opposite sides. 2 squads running full proto sync into opposite sides. and the grand finale two teams of 16 sync onto opposite sides for a full proto bloodbath. My goal will be to complete each of these and film all of these matches and while achieving only 400 points before I afk to analyze the payouts from each. Hopefully we can get a group willing to contribute to this experience as well as have some crazy matches outside of PC. Please be patient in the channel as it will take a little time until we have the people to complete this experiment.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 428	Posted - 2014.03.31 04:20:00 - [234] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: When you max out your core skills you'll find that your starter BPO fits are incredibly robust. My Gallente Starter Fit could get over 600ehp and still carry decent weapons and equipment. -SNIP- Hope this helps. Just to be fair, all starter fits / suits are not at all created equal. The starter Gallente fits can easily get 400-600 hp with armour reps depending on the fit, they still move at a decent speed too. The others vary from that point, however the Minmatar starter fits really do lack horribly in the HP department and honestly gain nothing in return. At most a tiny speed increase over the other suits but it is nothing noticeable considering the hp disadvantage. TLDR - Gallente starter gets 400-600hp even with bad skills, Minmatar gets 200-400hp (At a push) and offers nothing special.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 76	Posted - 2014.03.31 07:53:00 - [235] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: When you max out your core skills you'll find that your starter BPO fits are incredibly robust. My Gallente Starter Fit could get over 600ehp and still carry decent weapons and equipment. -SNIP- Hope this helps. Just to be fair, all starter fits / suits are not at all created equal. The starter Gallente fits can easily get 400-600 hp with armour reps depending on the fit, they still move at a decent speed too. The others vary from that point, however the Minmatar starter fits really do lack horribly in the HP department and honestly gain nothing in return. At most a tiny speed increase over the other suits but it is nothing noticeable considering the hp disadvantage. TLDR - Gallente starter gets 400-600hp even with bad skills, Minmatar gets 200-400hp (At a push) and offers nothing special. That's true...but I would argue that you notice a difference regardless when it comes to core skills. 3/10 Federal Marines 1/10 Republic Command Commando Pride
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3230	Posted - 2014.03.31 08:02:00 - [236] - Quote Mean while in Viktor's Evil lair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip7YU_kuB0s Selling Templar BPOs Queen improves gameplay by 100% Inertia dampeners are for poors
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 56	Posted - 2014.03.31 08:15:00 - [237] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Mean while in Viktor's Evil lair https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip7YU_kuB0s If you ever want a money fight you can throw some my way
Mr Retsof VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 63	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:38:00 - [238] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: I am looking for a group of 32 of the so called 1% to join me in a 2 sided q-sync into a pub domination for an all out isk blood bath so that I and hopefully a couple of others can film the payout results. My goal here is to prove that with the way the pub payouts work the guy at the bottom of the board who did nothing should be thanking the two guys running proto who died twice and increased theirs and everyone elses payout. The channel for this is " Payout Proof " Please be ready to run a series of very expensive pub contracts. My goal is to run a series of 3 matches where I achieve a set number of points to compare the payout on film for everyone to see. The process will go like this: 1 squad running ADV gear into a pub. 1 squad running PROTO gear into a pub. 2 squads running ADV sync into opposite sides. 2 squads running full proto sync into opposite sides. and the grand finale two teams of 16 sync onto opposite sides for a full proto bloodbath. My goal will be to complete each of these and film all of these matches while achieving only 400 points before I afk to analyze the payouts from each. Hopefully we can get a group willing to contribute to this experience as well as have some crazy matches outside of PC. Please be patient in the channel as it will take a little time until we have the people to complete this experiment. i'd be down with this..... 1%er
VikingKong iBUN Third Rock From The Sun 41	Posted - 2014.03.31 11:42:00 - [239] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? you die twice in a pro suit.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 58	Posted - 2014.03.31 12:58:00 - [240] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? you die twice in a pro suit. Yup 126000 Isk for one suit.

Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1470	Posted - 2014.03.31 13:09:00 - [241] - Quote which is probably the most realistic thing in dust A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 77	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:27:00 - [242] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Anuliadon Gortusk wrote: Peasants try working. Last I check basic suits are fairly cheap to run. Peasants. Does your corp pay for you to play or do they just hord all of the Isk from PC battles. Not everyone's corp does PC battles, and not everyone in a corp that does PC battles partakes in the battles themselves. My corp does PC battles but I personally have just under 9M SP and due to poor skill choices early in my DUST career I am nowhere near having a proto fit. As such, I do not take part in PC battles. PC battles are where the proto gear comes out and the combat is no holds barred. But if you were a full out proto and you we're to participate in PC battle would your corp pay for all of you stuff. No. 3/10 Federal Marines 1/10 Republic Command Commando Pride
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 416	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:30:00 - [243] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk. If you can get yourself up to 20m or so you should consistently stay around that area unless you're a ADS pilot. If you're having ISK issues try; Not running proto 24/7. Use free suits in pointless battles. Don't play ambush during Nyian San peak hours. Run with competent people/squads. Last but not least; STOP DYING SO MUCH.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 416	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:34:00 - [244] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Anuliadon Gortusk wrote: Peasants try working. Last I check basic suits are fairly cheap to run. Peasants. Does your corp pay for you to play or do they just hord all of the Isk from PC battles. Most corps, minus top tier corps, don't pay players for participating in PC. The ISK gained from PC is usually through ringing for other peoples corps. If you're good enough I'm sure you could make it into a corp that pays players for PC'ing. At this point relying on ISK from PC is not a viable tactic as there is a giant blue doughnut sitting on 3/4 of MH.
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 9	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:39:00 - [245] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Where do I even start? 1) The cost of my prototype Logistics suit can reach 300K 2) Lag 3) Lag-bombing 4) Remote Explosives 5) Proto-Stompers 6) 16 Q-synced team vs. 16 random blueberries 7) Tanks 8) More tanks 9) Assault Dropships 10) Thale Snipers 11) Shotguns 12) random locus grenade 13) Exploding nearby vehicles 14) OB's 15) Warbarge Strikes Need I go on? There are too many ways to lose an expensive suit and too many aspects of the game fighting against you. If you want, reply to this and ask for an extended list and I'll get right on it. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 9	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:41:00 - [246] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Don't play ambush during Nyian San peak hours. Run with competent people/squads. Last but not least; STOP DYING SO MUCH. Wow, the secrets revealed of how to win at Dust. If only it were that easy. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 417	Posted - 2014.03.31 14:49:00 - [247] - Quote BrotherofHavok wrote: m twiggz wrote: Don't play ambush during Nyian San peak hours. Run with competent people/squads. Last but not least; STOP DYING SO MUCH. Wow, the secrets revealed of how to win at Dust. If only it were that easy. Sorry that was a pretty general response. Honestly, it works. Just don't die. Don't put yourself in situations where you will die. Clear objects of enemies and uplinks before hacking, don't stand out in the open, use cover, don't engage outside of your optimal, don't engage an opponent head on if he has the advantage. All general common sense to any FPS player IMO.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 46	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:04:00 - [248] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: low genius wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise. How can you play other wise put on a starter suit and hide for the game that's not fun everyone is running proto and if people say other wise I don't think your playing the game I have 30+ Mil SP and run a suit that costs 11K almost every match, sometimes i pull out my 18K suit, and on rare occasions I pull out the 258K suit
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 156	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:15:00 - [249] - Quote I'm a lone wolf (usually play solo, in my own corp, blah blah blah) and don't have many issues keeping the ISK flowing. I'd recommend adopting the mindset of, "Don't die" versus "Kill everything"; you'll die less, lose less gear, and thereby save more ISK. Even if this means you have to sacrifice the number of kills or WP you earn per match, it should be worth it since you clearly need to prioritize ISK earning over improving gameplay stats. My other dropsuit is a Python.
Chris F2112 Pradox One Proficiency V. 560	Posted - 2014.03.31 17:25:00 - [250] - Quote I am starting to run out of ISK after having a decent amount for a long time. 99% of the losses I've had are because of dropships, and once I run out of money I'll probably either stop playing or go to a corporation that can pay me enough to keep me flying without having to farm ISK.

Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 59	Posted - 2014.04.01 02:22:00 - [251] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: low genius wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise. How can you play other wise put on a starter suit and hide for the game that's not fun everyone is running proto and if people say other wise I don't think your playing the game I have 30+ Mil SP and run a suit that costs 11K almost every match, sometimes i pull out my 18K suit, and on rare occasions I pull out the 258K suit And are you on the top or the bottom at the end of each game.
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns 78	Posted - 2014.04.01 02:25:00 - [252] - Quote I vary my suits from 5k ISK to 55k ISK depending on the game. I'm nearly always on the boards. Typically top 5. EDIT: But my favorite weapon costs 10k...so my average fit is usually ~30k. While I have down games every once in a while I'm always ISK-positive long term. 3/10 Federal Marines 1/10 Republic Command Commando Pride
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 59	Posted - 2014.04.01 13:13:00 - [253] - Quote If anyone wants to show me the power of starter fits and militia fits come and fight with me Northwind chat channel.
Clone D 161	Posted - 2014.04.01 13:43:00 - [254] - Quote When I played Dust, I used suits that were between 2,500 and 11,000 ISK, regularly finished in the top 3 and died less than 6 times per match. If you skill up in the right skill tree branches (electronics, armor, etc) you can build some outstanding suits with militia and lvl 1 gear. I was netting at least 175K per match. I gave away over 75 mil ISK and quit playing because the game developers suck (i.e. break things that were already working, nerf weapons without granting a weapon respec, didn't fix player experience issues after the community repeated them each release, etc.) Here are some builds that I used: Harvester: BPO Gallente Frontline, Combat Rifle, militia nanite injector Pilot: BPO Gallente Frontline, R-9 uplink Smooth Operator: Militia Minmitar Light, Assault Scrambler Pistol (x2), Miliia Profile Dampener, Militia Cardiac Reg, Flux Grenade Ranger: Militia Amarr Light, Complex Range Amplifier (x2), Militia Precision Enhancer, Combat Rifle, Assault Scrambler Pistol, Flux Grenade Medic and Sniper BPOs are both acceptable so completely free. I made a cheap AV with Militia Minmitar Light, CBR, Packed AV grenades, Assault Scrambler Pistol All of this stuff is cheap cheap cheap. Is the game harder playing with cheap gear? Yes, but if you accept that the reason you lost a shootout was because of gear, not player skill, then it's a little easier to swallow. .


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