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Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 25	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:48:00 - [31] - Quote Aramis Madrigal wrote: How do you have your fits organized and do you have a number of intermediate options for those that you use most commonly? If I'm running by myself I've found that I'm isk neutral at about 50-60k a suit (an ADV suit with some proto modules). I can play all week with suits in this price range and not lose money. Because of this, I normally run ADV fits in the 40K isk range. This subsidizes bringing out proto stuff when I'm against good players in proto suits and nets me a small profit each day. Some simple math can help you find your optimal level of spending given your skill level and play style. -Aramis I used to have a fit for any situation in the game 32 million skill points but now I have two advanced heavies machine gun and forge and two proto when I can use them machine gun and forge.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 25	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:49:00 - [32] - Quote Mr Retsof VI wrote: 1%er Says a guy with a tonne of money
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 495	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:49:00 - [33] - Quote Well thats kinda the point of player run economy. The only issue I have with being filthy rich is that it involves exploiting the PC system, which is honestly broken as fuck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwpGn2J-JAA Here is what PC is actually used to. TOLD514
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 29	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:49:00 - [34] - Quote M1tch Rapp wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Virtual Riot wrote: if isk was too easy to make for the average joe, ccp wouldn't have a business model Sad thing is if things don't change ccp isn't going to have a game that is only my opinion. I agree, it's neat that we have this model that makes you think about your economic choices. The problem is that the current model allows for a 4 KDR person to come close to profiting in ADV suits. 20-5, lose 210K ISK and make 260K ISK I think the current model makes pubs boring. That's interesting, I run 2.5k fits and make upwards of 200k a match. I may not get 4 KDR but then again a 2 KDR is enough for me in most matches. My KDR Is still low because I was a Logi earlier in DUST, but its climing back up )) I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
M1tch Rapp Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 63	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:50:00 - [35] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I spent 70 million ISK on 1.8s arrival to buy 180,000 dropsuit fittings (not lying, 800 standard, 600 Advanced, 400 Prototype suits w/ fittings. and I still have 520,000,000 ISK to burn. Pretty solid example of the divide. Sgt Kirk is a badass in Dust. The current model is great for widening the gap between the average player and the beast player. The current model makes people too risk averse. This is an FPS, the action needs to be kicked up a notch. The way to do this is to increase the payouts.
Mr Retsof VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 44	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:53:00 - [36] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. I like this guys attitude... Ander Thedas, would like some isk ? "War is money...if you have it, you win."
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 25	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:56:00 - [37] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . Comrade, that is where you are wrong. I run militia fits and still roflstomping proto scrubs. Very fun, if you ask me. OR, I say, go into tanking. Learn to drive. Learn to shoot. Learn to appreciate the hatemail you receive afterwords with a bunch of QQ'ers whining about their 150k suits. Then you will enjoy proto stomping )) There is no way people are running militia suits and playing good unless your spawning in and hiding what are you running to be so good .
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 213	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:56:00 - [38] - Quote I started loosing Isk this build quite a bit. I wanted to play with the new toys. Then got bored. Started running a "Naked Scout" C-0. Its just as fun and until I get my shield extender skills up its pretty much just as squishy. "Naked" Dropsuit = a drop suit with nothing but a gun and a smile Get plenty of kills and keeps the price down so low I can die so much and still turn a profit. Weird thing is, I can be so aggressive and sneaky with it I can surprise kill most heavies (any tier) with a trusty bolt pistol. Surprised more than a few 'Proto Scouts' with Nova Knives the other dayGÇªI may have improved my KDR slightlyGÇª The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3880	Posted - 2014.03.28 16:58:00 - [39] - Quote I didn't start getting money until recently. You can pull a profit running ADV suits if you don't suck too horribly. ISK is only a problem for people who run fits they can't afford. This is the mantra of New Eden I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
Gotmy Tightpantson RB MUSICK 11	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:01:00 - [40] - Quote Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. Are you drinking my saki kimosabe?! http://youtu.be/Nv7Ts4v5_Bs

Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 180	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:04:00 - [41] - Quote I love how everyone is saying "isk should be hard to get" (which I agree with) but there's a ** ton of people who have so much more from the broken PC system that should be fixed to put everyone back on a level playing field... Though I have no idea how they can do that without pissing everyone off... Game is broken. & to the people saying how easy it is to make money, yes I can make pleanty of money using boring **** suits and noob tactics, but apparently 1 dropship that can be 1 shotted by someone who can refire 5 shots in 2 seconds, all from the comfort of the redzone, costs more than even a "good" result pays out... I've only ever made over 550k isk in one match 3 times & that required the whole team being useless (scoring less than 200 war points) while I was the only one out of our red zone. Simply put, why do I have to be bored to make money to play, while a large portion of people get to use whatever they want with 0 consequence? I guess the answer is, I just don't play anymore... Let me know if they make it worth playing.
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 352	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:06:00 - [42] - Quote Mr Retsof VI wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. I like this guys attitude... Ander Thedas, would like some isk ? Well, I'd never ask, but I'd never so no, either! But really I think the scarcity is in the spirit of the game. The fact that people are on the forums complaining that they can't run the fits they want to adds to the robustness of both the game play and the meta, which feeds right back into the mood of the game and, consequently, the lore of it as well. It does have drawbacks, however. The other day my friend straight up rage quit because of ISK loss and refuses to sign back on until some changes are made (but to be honest it's mostly his Rambo play style that gets him in trouble), but there is a very beautiful and delicate balance there to be preserved. FW lvl10 reward Mobile Redlines Default FWRace
Musta Tornius Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1232	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:07:00 - [43] - Quote What difference is it going to be to you, if you get murdered by players or drones, you still lose ISK :) DUST514 Weapon Range & Information Team Fairy DUST
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 25	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:09:00 - [44] - Quote Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll.
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 352	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:11:00 - [45] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll. At least pretend to be having a reasonable conversation. I get that you're upset but he was just trying to be helpful and his advice in this instance is pretty much held as gospel by most players. FW lvl10 reward Mobile Redlines Default FWRace
fragmentedhackslash Arrogance. 223	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:11:00 - [46] - Quote Life imitates Art. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12698	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:19:00 - [47] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: What difference is it going to be to you, if you get murdered by players or drones, you still lose ISK :) At least drones would be interesting lol My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 106	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:19:00 - [48] - Quote i have about 100 mil isk and 15 mil SP's..... and i go through phases of playing dust. suit wise ill use basic or advanced. gun wise ill use basic . equipment basic or advanced. fittings the best i can fit with my PG and CPU. in short my suits cost between 15k-25k and its rare for me to get less than a 200k pay out in a battle. providing i die less than 10 times ill make a proffit. on average ill die about 5 times so my bank balance will keep climbing. my only problem with alot of proto players i see in game is that you have to ask how its sustainable for them? are PC's huge payouts completely distorting game play? its pretty obvious most are loosing significant isk in pubs. Yes i do like it when i earn over 400k per battle due to proto suits falling left right and center, but besides me earning a bit more i don't think that overall it makes much difference to the PC crowd.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 665	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:20:00 - [49] - Quote Not convinced of this argument. I agree that the NPE sucks and needs an overall. A big one. But money is not that gap. There is an experience there that many other players have learned that others don't want to believe, and that's tactics outweigh gear. Proto suit does not mean win, it just helps in direct facing, bull rushing, combat. There are other (read better) ways to commit to combat that turn in your favor. That being said, I'm far, far, far below average. I can't shoot worth a damn, but I found my niche and learned how to budget. I don't belong to a rich corp and don't own a district. All my 90mil I made. Put a price next to each of your suit names. Find out how much you averagely make versus averagely lose in battle and know you can only use X amount of suits before switching out a cheaper one. Giving people drones doesn't teach them to be better at fighting against those that are used to evading and flanking. Learning situational awareness and when to run away is what wins. Suddenly having more isk for proto suits without learning this will just mean you'll lose a more expensive suit instead of a starter. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
axINVICTUSxa BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 32	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:24:00 - [50] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: axINVICTUSxa wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . Comrade, that is where you are wrong. I run militia fits and still roflstomping proto scrubs. Very fun, if you ask me. OR, I say, go into tanking. Learn to drive. Learn to shoot. Learn to appreciate the hatemail you receive afterwords with a bunch of QQ'ers whining about their 150k suits. Then you will enjoy proto stomping )) There is no way people are running militia suits and playing good unless your spawning in and hiding what are you running to be so good . Straight up militia. Exile Assault Rifle. Militia Armor plates. Militia armor reps Miltia Equipment, or basic UP, RE, RT Miltia shields. I'm gallente btw so I armor tank more. I still get 10-2 avg so maybe its just skill... I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2038	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:25:00 - [51] - Quote I'm not wealthy, but I'm not poor, either. My corp mates barely ever reach 1 mil isk and they can run their best suits plenty of times.
Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 511	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:30:00 - [52] - Quote I only have 430million, after buying 200million worth of stuff, another 200-300 million just giving it away during pubs this past half year, and have given 10 or so of my alts 50mil-100m each for lolzies. I need more ISK, times are rough. :'(
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 28	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:32:00 - [53] - Quote I play dust four to eight hours a day for the last two years.in the last two years I've spent $140 on aurum because I've ran out of Isk changing all of my Isk guns and suits to aurum guns and suits Until my Isk get up there again I can't be the only one who has done this and it's not because I'm a bad player it's the amount of hours I play most of you guys with money probably only play maybe 1 to 2 hours a day.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2039	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:33:00 - [54] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll. He's right, actually. Learn how to budget. If you have 500 isk left and you have a suit that costs 100k isk, why run it? Militia shotgun is pretty good and the militia light frames are good, too, now that no one activate scans anymore. Just watch out for Caldari scouts lol When I feel like making isk, I just switch to my starter gear. Sure, I may not do as good as my regular scout fit, but it didn't matter since it's a change of playstyle. I still go positive most of the time and get sevens amount of kills and isk.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12699	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:33:00 - [55] - Quote Dr PepperPoP wrote: I only have 430million, after buying 200million worth of stuff, another 200-300 million just giving it away during pubs this past half year, and have given 10 or so of my alts 50mil-100m each for lolzies. I need more ISK, times are rough. :'( ::crashes Incubus nearby, cussing incoherently as an RDV flies off into the sunset:: My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Hecarim Van Hohen 804	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:33:00 - [56] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: low genius wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so 1% save their money and 99% spend it on proto suits? big surprise. How can you play other wise put on a starter suit and hide for the game that's not fun everyone is running proto and if people say other wise I don't think your playing the game I use the basic Amarr sentinel suit for the most part and making a profit every match. How do people manage to go broke in this game is beyond me TOUGH TITTY, SAID THE KITTY. - Blaine the Mono
Mr Retsof VI Swiss Bank of New Eden 45	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:33:00 - [57] - Quote Ander Thedas wrote: Mr Retsof VI wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. I like this guys attitude... Ander Thedas, would like some isk ? Well, I'd never ask, but I'd never so no, either! But really I think the scarcity is in the spirit of the game. The fact that people are on the forums complaining that they can't run the fits they want to adds to the robustness of both the game play and the meta, which feeds right back into the mood of the game and, consequently, the lore of it as well. It does have drawbacks, however. The other day my friend straight up rage quit because of ISK loss and refuses to sign back on until some changes are made (but to be honest it's mostly his Rambo play style that gets him in trouble), but there is a very beautiful and delicate balance there to be preserved. Sometime in the next 10 hours you will receive some isk into your account. Share with your friend. Dust needs more "Rambo" types, they're good for laughs.... "War is money...if you have it, you win."
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 28	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:37:00 - [58] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll. He's right, actually. Learn how to budget. If you have 500 isk left and you have a suit that costs 100k isk, why run it? Militia shotgun is pretty good and the militia light frames are good, too, now that no one activate scans anymore. Just watch out for Caldari scouts lol When I feel like making isk, I just switch to my starter gear. Sure, I may not do as good as my regular scout fit, but it didn't matter since it's a change of playstyle. I still go positive most of the time and get sevens amount of kills and isk. There is no way Mercs are playing with militia anything prove it I'm always playing Dom on the Europe server come and fight and see if you guys are telling the truth because personally I think it's all talk.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12699	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:38:00 - [59] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Joel II X wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll. He's right, actually. Learn how to budget. If you have 500 isk left and you have a suit that costs 100k isk, why run it? Militia shotgun is pretty good and the militia light frames are good, too, now that no one activate scans anymore. Just watch out for Caldari scouts lol When I feel like making isk, I just switch to my starter gear. Sure, I may not do as good as my regular scout fit, but it didn't matter since it's a change of playstyle. I still go positive most of the time and get sevens amount of kills and isk. There is no way Mercs are playing with militia anything prove it I'm always playing Dom on the Europe server come and fight and see if you guys are telling the truth because personally I think it's all talk. Actually, MLT shotgun light frame is the easiest MLT fit to do well with if youre good at positioning and not being perma scanned My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 29	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:39:00 - [60] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Joel II X wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Gotmy Tightpantson wrote: Just go play in cheap suits and earn your money. Pad up a bit then switch to your protos again. If youre not good enough to win in protos fits then its not the game, its you.(not saying I am good enough by the way, lol my poor k/d record speaks for itself) My "richest" character only has 14 mil. (Im a noob) Thats plenty to fit out the best I have and go play. When I start feeling broke I build a couple of cheap fits I like and go grind for money. EVERY single player in the game can do this. Just have to put the time in. If you're broke, its your fault. True answer of a troll. He's right, actually. Learn how to budget. If you have 500 isk left and you have a suit that costs 100k isk, why run it? Militia shotgun is pretty good and the militia light frames are good, too, now that no one activate scans anymore. Just watch out for Caldari scouts lol When I feel like making isk, I just switch to my starter gear. Sure, I may not do as good as my regular scout fit, but it didn't matter since it's a change of playstyle. I still go positive most of the time and get sevens amount of kills and isk. There is no way Mercs are playing with militia anything prove it I'm always playing Dom on the Europe server come and fight and see if you guys are telling the truth because personally I think it's all talk. Actually, MLT shotgun light frame is the easiest MLT fit to do well with if youre good at positioning and not being perma scanned I will agree with that.



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