DUST Search - 1% of Mercs are extremely wealthy and 99% of Mercs can barely play.

Enki Kalgarian wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Enki Kalgarian wrote:

Ander Thedas wrote:

Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting.

Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff having no Isk sucks and all of you out there that say its great are lying or you must have a lot of money like I said if you have money or are in a rich corp do not comment because we don't care.

You grind for a week in starter fits so you can play for a day in proto? WTF? You do realize that for the price of one day of proto you could run advanced all week? And that the gap between advanced and proto is tiny compared to the gap between starter fits and advanced? smh

I do run advanced but when I run against another proto heavy he has a little bit of shield left and when I'm my proto heavy I run through them.

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Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 942	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:02:00 - [151] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff having no Isk sucks and all of you out there that say its great are lying or you must have a lot of money like I said if you have money or are in a rich corp do not comment because we don't care. You grind for a week in starter fits so you can play for a day in proto? WTF? You do realize that for the price of one day of proto you could run advanced all week? And that the gap between advanced and proto is tiny compared to the gap between starter fits and advanced? smh I do run advanced but when I run against another proto heavy he has a little bit of shield left and when I'm my proto heavy I run through them. The difference between an advanced heavy and a proto is only one slot. It's only 5% or so extra HP. If your opponent is still in shields then they still have 500HP+ left (possibly 1000HP+) and the extra slot proto would give you won't make any difference. You'll still die, just a fraction of a second later. And for that extra 5% you pay 500% extra for the suit. Even for relatively rich players like me it just doesn't add up. Believe me, you will not see my gk.0 sentinel in pubs. And for someone who is short of isk like you a proto heavy is pretty much the worst way you could possibly spend it. There is virtually no difference in performance level between advanced and proto for a heavy. The vast majority of encounters are decided well before you get into that final 5% of HP. The idea that you run through opponents in a proto heavy but are defenceless in advanced just doesn't reflect the hard numbers. It's all in your mind.
deezy dabest CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 278	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:41:00 - [152] - Quote Core skills maxed + knowing your niche + basic suits = never have an isk problem If you are having isk troubles you should probably try a different role. Once you find the spot you can break 800 points per match in an advanced or lower suit you are in the right spot. This is more true than ever in 1.8 with logi roles becoming heavily divided when it comes to players under 20 million SP. Really once you have found the role for you and skilled into it a bit you should easily be making 75 - 100k profit on average per pub match. To be clear yes I am a 1%er and was the same before my outside ventures in BPO codes. I was able to grind my first 100 million with no outside help of any kind.
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 240	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:46:00 - [153] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff having no Isk sucks and all of you out there that say its great are lying or you must have a lot of money like I said if you have money or are in a rich corp do not comment because we don't care. OR try this, make a cheaper Adv suit of your Proto suit and run that in PUBs. You will find it is almost just as effective and cost a hell lot less. Don't run what you can't afford plain and simple. ALSO don't spawn in what is getting camped! It's your choice to run proto no one is forcing you to run your BEST gear. I stay very competitive in my ADV suits. There is this new idea going around it is called "Money Mangament". You know the idea to save cash and not blow it on what you don't need. If I average 150k a macth and my suits cost 20k a match then I KNOW I can run 7 suits b4 I lose money. Same concept in real life involving a job. You don't see people broke, asking for money, crying for help from the government......wait I do I live in America. Maybe you should ask your corp that is "TAXING YOU", taking your wages for help. I'm sure they have programs available for the people that can't figure out how to keep cash in their pockets. It's really nobodies problem but your own. A game economy works the same as in real life. With out the people that blow every cent they make the economy wouldn't function. Try sending 25%someone of your earnings to a "bank" or Alt and forget about it for a couple weeks. You will amazed by how much you was able to save up. This does feel like it should be common sense....... LOL "Easy Mode" Logi QQ
KGB Sleep 935	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:52:00 - [154] - Quote 1% That's BS. I have never been in a PC corp. I run Pubs and FW. I consistently maintain around 50 mil and run PRO whenever I want. I have dropships. I have tanks. What is your excuse? I always need more ISK to feel comfortable. But I never need it to function in Dust. Stay hungry merc. Because beer, that's why.
deezy dabest CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 279	Posted - 2014.03.29 09:54:00 - [155] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: 1% That's BS. I have never been in a PC corp. I run Pubs and FW. I consistently maintain around 50 mil and run PRO whenever I want. I have dropships. I have tanks. What is your excuse? I always need more ISK to feel comfortable. But I never need it to function in Dust. Stay hungry merc. Please repost so I can +1 that again. All it takes to be able to say this is being smart with your fittings and smart with your play.
Marc Rime 345	Posted - 2014.03.29 10:42:00 - [156] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk. You're supposed to buy AUR.
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 397	Posted - 2014.03.29 11:04:00 - [157] - Quote I'm still finding out when to go cheap and when to go all out. I favour cheap suits so I can stay profitable but that leaves me wanting to use an expensive dropsuit and deciding against it.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 225	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:13:00 - [158] - Quote sabre prime wrote: I'm a closed beta vet. I have never had any proto suits. Only level 1 standard suits and some advanced basic frames. Mostly I run std and starter fits. I die on average about 7 times per match, but I still kill more. I consistently finish in the top 10, and get first place lots of times. I have improved as a player hugely over the last year. I'm not bragging, just trying to show that ISK efficiency is not a detriment to success. And I'm close to 100 million ISK now. I'm in pretty much the same boat, I don't have any suits to proto either and the only stuff i regularly run above STD, is ADV plates and an R9. Welcome to you're "DOOM"
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3415	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:42:00 - [159] - Quote I was running ADV suits and breaking even with 3 or 4 deaths per 20 kills per match. Started running MLT during Operation Mauler and have been putting away ~20,000,000 ISK a week with my recent limited play time with most matches ending with a 1.5 - 5.0 KDR. Worse KDR (like I really give a ***), but I have a good amount of loot to spend on the new stuff when I finally get into 1.8 - just to show these chumps how real* Heavies run this mother ******. But nonetheless, we need PvE. Badly. Like, yesterday. I GÖú Kittens.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 667	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:46:00 - [160] - Quote Im an dropship pilot that is all you need to know "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 3381	Posted - 2014.03.29 12:46:00 - [161] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: Virtual Riot wrote: if isk was too easy to make for the average joe, ccp wouldn't have a business model Sad thing is if things don't change ccp isn't going to have a game that is only my opinion. It's not fact or opinion. It's wild speculation with no basis. This can also be defined as ignorance.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 415	Posted - 2014.03.29 13:55:00 - [162] - Quote Good day chaps! We can pickle that.
Poultryge1st Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:18:00 - [163] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: What difference is it going to be to you, if you get murdered by players or drones, you still lose ISK :) I think it's interesting that people just assume that the drones are going to be some easy mode that is going to make them tons of isk. Trust me people if it's easy then there will be very little isk made, and I would think that the more difficult drone fights will cause you to loose suites.
JL3Eleven Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 1790	Posted - 2014.03.29 14:19:00 - [164] - Quote Eww, poor people Forums>Dead and dying game I was in Corps before Corps where even recognized.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 40	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:40:00 - [165] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Eww, poor people Does your corp pay for your equipment ,dropsuits ,guns.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 40	Posted - 2014.03.30 07:50:00 - [166] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I'd consider myself fairly wealthy (254mil ISK) but what I have pales in comparison to other folk's cash reserves. Viktor Hadah Jr has around a Billion if the rumors are true. A billion man I would love that.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 330	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:41:00 - [167] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Logi Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Black SlaverX Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 92	Posted - 2014.03.30 08:55:00 - [168] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so hold on a second....... 1% of people are wealthy, while the other 99% of people aren't, yet MOST people run Proto....... That's a bit of a paradox isn't it? Most people cant afford to play yet most people run proto....... Or maybe, cheap 20k isk suits are just too hard to work with? Oh wait, i went 25-2 with one last night, and repeatedly got results like that with a suit that only cost that much. Only when you have all of your girlfriends around. Solo you do not go 25/2 very often. (unless you join/quit until there is an obvious pub-stomp). I am guessing you are that type of scrub though. Watch your back because I might be there.
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 967	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:09:00 - [169] - Quote I play to have fun. If it's 100% necessary to run proto a match to survive, i'll do it. Pre 1.7 that's what i did(min assault/mk.0 scout, call me a protostomper.) as it was 99% necessary to keep your scouty ass alive more than 2 seconds. 1.8 its possible to run an Ishy SMG on my G-1 scout o.o My min needs advanced to not require a PG mod- even now it's either a CPU(plc/flaylok....shaddap.) or a PG(running something in my 2nd equip...sue me.) I refuse to gve honor to your 'god' so therefore i dual tank. Also i feel itchy. Anybody got a tube of Rust-It?
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 967	Posted - 2014.03.30 09:10:00 - [170] - Quote Black SlaverX wrote: Marston VC wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . so hold on a second....... 1% of people are wealthy, while the other 99% of people aren't, yet MOST people run Proto....... That's a bit of a paradox isn't it? Most people cant afford to play yet most people run proto....... Or maybe, cheap 20k isk suits are just too hard to work with? Oh wait, i went 25-2 with one last night, and repeatedly got results like that with a suit that only cost that much. Only when you have all of your girlfriends around. Solo you do not go 25/2 very often. (unless you join/quit until there is an obvious pub-stomp). I am guessing you are that type of scrub though. Ever heard of not being bad? Just grab some remotes, a shotty and a SMG. I refuse to gve honor to your 'god' so therefore i dual tank. Also i feel itchy. Anybody got a tube of Rust-It?

saxonmish Third Rock From The Sun 45	Posted - 2014.03.30 11:15:00 - [171] - Quote when i proto stomp i dont really lose isk i always end up with the same amount of isk i started with. so my advice, if your suit hasent gotten atleast all of the pasive modules to lvl4, dont run proto i get supprised when i attack a proto suit and it has a total hp of 385 or even lower. 8th in the world for kills. NOT GONNA STOP SLAYING TILL IM NO.1.
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2014.03.30 13:26:00 - [172] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Losing 2 million isk in pubs is far from uncommon for me. The more stuff trying to shoot down my Incubus, the more likely I am to deploy again and attempt to overcome the wall of death closing in around me. #stubbornaf Come see me! I will t-bone ur dropship before you even get a kill. I will gladely trade my 30k ship for yours. Signed, Sealed, Delivered
AntanTheBeast G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 155	Posted - 2014.03.30 14:51:00 - [173] - Quote I have a decent amount of ISK. It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5568	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:09:00 - [174] - Quote Player market and more salvage would help immensely. I would sell so many officer weapons.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Scheneighnay McBob Endless Hatred Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4565	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:14:00 - [175] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: I do not understand how someone can possibly go negative ISK in a match... Do you die more than 20 times or something? Losing 2 million isk in pubs is far from uncommon for me. The more stuff trying to shoot down my Incubus, the more likely I am to deploy again and attempt to overcome the wall of death closing in around me. #stubbornaf Have you ever considered not constantly using something that costs hundreds of thousands of ISK in a pub match? I am your scan error.
Doc Browner Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 226	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:19:00 - [176] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot Or, it might be I want to fight on equal footing with the stompers, Why should I be forced to run my BPO's while the Nyian Scammers can run their stolen AUR suits 24/7. Or district lockers run their free proto suits ALL THE TIME. It's annoying to get GG messages after a loss when your surrounded by Proto and most blueberries are protecting the MCC out of fear. I spill my Blood for Freedom and righteousness
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1889	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:23:00 - [177] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Player market and more salvage would help immensely. I would sell so many officer weapons.... Player market will just make things worse. Those who are already suckling at the teat of ill-gotten Passive Isk will just push everyone out of it by virtue of being ridiculously wealthy. Personally, I am not looking forward to the player market as much as I once did, it'll be just as broken even before release (just like we told them PC was). Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5575	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:56:00 - [178] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Player market and more salvage would help immensely. I would sell so many officer weapons.... Player market will just make things worse. Those who are already suckling at the teat of ill-gotten Passive Isk will just push everyone out of it by virtue of being ridiculously wealthy. Personally, I am not looking forward to the player market as much as I once did, it'll be just as broken even before release (just like we told them PC was). So you'd rather that some be wealthy and others broke? Instead of most being able to sell gear and make their way? I'm not criticizing you, just confused as to your line of thought. I'd rather everyone have the chance to be rich rather than most be broke. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 44	Posted - 2014.03.30 15:56:00 - [179] - Quote Even just a place to trade stuff would be nice.
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 44	Posted - 2014.03.30 16:02:00 - [180] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Player market and more salvage would help immensely. I would sell so many officer weapons.... Player market will just make things worse. Those who are already suckling at the teat of ill-gotten Passive Isk will just push everyone out of it by virtue of being ridiculously wealthy. Personally, I am not looking forward to the player market as much as I once did, it'll be just as broken even before release (just like we told them PC was). So you'd rather that some be wealthy and others broke? Instead of most being able to sell gear and make their way? I'm not criticizing you, just confused as to your line of thought. I'd rather everyone have the chance to be rich rather than most be broke. Well said.



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