DUST Search - 1% of Mercs are extremely wealthy and 99% of Mercs can barely play.

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Enki Kalgarian wrote:

Ander Thedas wrote:

Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting.

Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff having no Isk sucks and all of you out there that say its great are lying or you must have a lot of money like I said if you have money or are in a rich corp do not comment because we don't care.

You grind for a week in starter fits so you can play for a day in proto? WTF? You do realize that for the price of one day of proto you could run advanced all week? And that the gap between advanced and proto is tiny compared to the gap between starter fits and advanced? smh

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Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1671	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:14:00 - [91] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I am in a wealthy corp, although not as wealthy as some and we do not pay our players -- and, FWIW, I agree with your perspective. That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Respectfully...Leadfoot Yep, run an alt in starter gear and you save KD/R if you want it as well as make money. "Stay stealthy scouts." GÇô Ron Burgundy
Enki Kalgarian Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 30	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:15:00 - [92] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Ander Thedas wrote: Think about it this way: scarcity of a resource is what gives it value. If the average player struggles to fund themselves then that means the economy is working and that both decisions and ISK have weight to them. Honestly it's the main thing that makes this games economy work. I LIKE struggling for money. I love knowing most other players are doing the same. It's the aspect of the game that is the most exciting and keeps it from being JUST "a lobby shooter ." It's added persistence and it's what makes things count. If everyone made enough to run what they wanted all the time then ISK would be worthless. Enjoy the grind, it's what's keeping things interesting. Why should we grind and die for a week with starter fits just so we can play for a day with proto stuff having no Isk sucks and all of you out there that say its great are lying or you must have a lot of money like I said if you have money or are in a rich corp do not comment because we don't care. You grind for a week in starter fits so you can play for a day in proto? WTF? You do realize that for the price of one day of proto you could run advanced all week? And that the gap between advanced and proto is tiny compared to the gap between starter fits and advanced? smh I do run advanced but when I run against another proto heavy he has a little bit of shield left and when I'm my proto heavy I run through them.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5400	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:18:00 - [93] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: Enki Kalgarian wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I spent 70 million ISK on 1.8s arrival to buy 180,000 dropsuit fittings (not lying, 800 standard, 600 Advanced, 400 Prototype suits w/ fittings. and I still have 520,000,000 ISK to burn. Wow that's insane thanks for proving my point how can the average player compete with that no matter how much I *** I got to say good going man wish we were dust buddies. Btw Enki, I think Sgt. Kirk earned this through selling TEMPLAR BPO's, Sgt. Kirk correct me if I'm wrong but I've seen your names several times throughout the trade forums. That means he's paid real money. Maybe you should do that too; saves you time grinding hour after hour with little reward, eh? No, I've never traded templar codes 1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole** -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Asirius Medaius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1105	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:20:00 - [94] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: You just described the USA. ****, someone beat me to it!
ELITE INQUISITOR Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 78	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:22:00 - [95] - Quote It's interesting, I have two mercs and neither of them is broke. All I run in pubs is starter and bpo frames with a few changes. My kdr is still good. I am still combat effective. If you stick with the militia fits for a little while it makes you a better player when you switch to better stuff. Just saying. If you accept your limitations you go beyond them EB Pub. <=====Eternal Beings public chat channel
EverNub Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:29:00 - [96] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: I'd consider myself fairly wealthy (254mil ISK) but what I have pales in comparison to other folk's cash reserves. Viktor Hadah Jr has around a Billion if the rumors are true. Yah im sitting at about 100mil left and ive wasted countless amounts on proto crap. Truthfully if you got good gun game or do it right u can run cheap suits and still compete with protos. The unfortunate part about this game is if your good your going to make money, and if u run in squads and actually work together and keep each other alive, you make money. Saying that Run with someone who has a proto needle, keeps ur suit alive and popping back up with 80-100% health is extremely helpful over a noobie needle! ALSO! I always recommend building your SP into base stats that wont matter what suit you run you will still have decent EHP and u can fit better Equipment and Mods on cheaper suits!!! In turn saving money but still being competitive! Good Luck and don't get discouraged! What is the use of fighting if you haven't got a tolerable planet to fight over? Trees...We need Trees...
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3131	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:29:00 - [97] - Quote How can you not make ISK Go out and restock and basic suit with basic mods and get 100 of them By the time you have used all your suits up you will have made at least 5mil ISK if not more Intelligence is OP
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1887	Posted - 2014.03.28 18:52:00 - [98] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Mlt scout suit. Re's. Nothing will survive. Who cares if you lose 20 suits!? They're only 5950 isk each. Lol 1500 Isk if you've got a Dragonfly.... Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 737	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:14:00 - [99] - Quote my most expensive suit is about 20k. my new heavy is around 9k my old heavy is i think around 3k. the rest are just std variants of several different weapons put onto starterfits. and i still run them though i have around 19+mil sp..specced out core skills.never touched suits till now. still not touching a suit better than std. or a weapon better than adv. to go use proto in a pub match is pure scrubbery in my eyes.at least i give the mlt newberry a chance at winning.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 315	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:17:00 - [100] - Quote Making isk is painfully easy unless you're a real logi or an ADS pilot. I'm not generally one to "Git Gud" anyone, but c'mon, get a little more willpower... or a little more skill. I really do not understand how people can be so broke.

GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 1169	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:20:00 - [101] - Quote to u guys who dont know how to make money RUN STARTER SUITS SERIOUSLY IDK HOW you guys dont know how to make ISK its not hard sure u are going to die alot but hey u will make a million ISK in 7 - 10 matches CMON !! 30 Mil SP VET , TANK / DS PILOT CLICK HERE FOR ACTIVE DUST 514 YOUTUBE VIDEOS
THE INFAMOUS Sniper Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:28:00 - [102] - Quote L2 not die all the time i make proft in a scout suit so heres a little tip stop taking those few million isk you grind out on protosuits and used advanced or lower lol dont say it cant kill proto cause it bloody well does. (ADV minja>protobears)
Samantha Hunyz G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 90	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:43:00 - [103] - Quote I have 32m isk. I'm guessing that puts me at least above the poverty line. Even with as much isk as I have, there is nothing to spend it on. I don't see why people are hung up and cry about rich players so much. I quickly learned to balance my isk use, and never used a proto suit in a match. I know what my average payout is and I figured out how many and what I could afford to lose and still make a profit in match in advance. Just take the average times you die, and build that many suits to under your normal isk payout. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
The Infected One Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1216	Posted - 2014.03.28 19:47:00 - [104] - Quote I specced back I to what I had before 1.8. Min assault, scout, and logi. I have 100 full fits of each STD suit, 200 full fits of each ADV suit, and 200 full fits of each PRO suit. I'm feeling broke right now because I'm under 300mill ISK in the bank, but I run STD or ADV scout suits because I cannot justify to myself losing 170k+ ISK per death on the PRO scout when I'm not in PC. I was at 250 million ISK after stocking all these fits, am currently up to 295k ISK from pubs, and the odd PC. Running cheap suits isn't boring, it's more challenging. . I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? --. . - + ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -..
Cheydinhal Guard CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 57	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:20:00 - [105] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: I run my advanced heavy suit and die to a proto heavy I put on my proto heavy and I run through most heavies.so you can't say running cheaper suits are better like I said in theory it's perfect in reality it's not so good no matter what any of you rich players say. Running cheaper suits is better for making money, not killing. If you want to run expensive gear then it's your fault that you're broke. "1.8 is gonna be filled with fat suits and invisible stick men" - Echo 1991
ishtellian Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:24:00 - [106] - Quote Get in a good mood, fit up a mid cost suit squad upwith some friends and have fun, the past few games ive been playing with about 25-50k isk suits and only dying 1-3 times, I usually make more than I lose and still have a good time. Not as good isk as running militia/bpo as much as possible but thats no fun. My Heavy Never Dies. Logibro In training.
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 509	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:27:00 - [107] - Quote Once again, I have seen crouch keyboard macroers running ambush 24/7 and tbh I'm thinking about running one myself. They are probably well off.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 2540	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:30:00 - [108] - Quote I'm a poor Amarr scout who's in need of isk :( Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 99	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:31:00 - [109] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: ...in the last two years I've spent $140 on aurum because I've ran out of Isk changing all of my Isk guns and suits to aurum guns and suits Until my Isk get up there again I can't be the only one who has done this and it's not because I'm a bad player ... lol @ Pay-to-Win FAIL I'm going to sound very ***** here and apologise ahead of time, but I think you've answered your own question. You're just being dumb about this. All the people saying you need to run MLT or STARTER fits to develop the battlefield habits you need for your playstyle that you are ignoring are correct. The EVE aspect of, "Don't use what you can't afford to lose" is especially applicable here, if you aren't profitable in pubs it's not because of the 99% or even the 1% it's because of YOU. But, despite that, I'll give you a couple tips- 1. Quit chasing the FOTM gear/modules and put your precious SP into CORE SKILLS. Anything that provides a passive increase to EVERY suit is what you want first, this is the key to STARTER fits being viable against PROTOS, aside from your tactics. 2. Rename your fits so that you have your suit cost as part of the name and can see it when the fits are listed. When the fit name tells you it's 90k, and you're losing your ass kill-wise that'll help you NOT use your 90k suit. 3. Recognize that Profitability is your number one priority as a merc! Do what it takes (ie. HIDE like a * with that STARTER SNIPER fit) if thats what you need to do to be profitable, YOU are a BUSINESS and MUST monitor your overhead expenses ( suit costs) vs. income (ISK pay). Simple, really it's all perspective. Again, sorry if I sound like a *****, my opinions are mine and in no way represent those of my Corp, Alliance, Friends, combat role or pets. PS. LOL @ AUR because can't be profitable in pubs! Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
Skuld Valkyrja Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:37:00 - [110] - Quote I'm new to the game and all i can say is that its pretty hard to kill someone, especially if your equipments are still the freebies. Almost everyone i encounter tears me apart. Maybe if there was some sort of matchmaking..?

lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 671	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:41:00 - [111] - Quote Skuld Valkyrja wrote: I'm new to the game and all i can say is that its pretty hard to kill someone, especially if your equipments are still the freebies. Almost everyone i encounter tears me apart. Maybe if there was some sort of matchmaking..? Newberries aren't going to have a great experience. There is match making, however its based on stacked teams vs teams not individual skills versus other player skills. You're always going to be the low pole. Join the Learning Coalition or Dust University or any other number of helper corps. They'll get you on your feet. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 63	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:44:00 - [112] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: That said, and I know you don't want to hear it, but there's nothing stopping you (or anyone else broke) from running starter/BPO suits to accumulate ISK. Just be prepared to die more often. You're only as broke as your need to run expensive suits and build your (meaningless) KDR. Yeah. Prepare to die --- very --- often. Prepare to not make a difference. Prepare to not contribute anything. Prepare to be nothing but one thing: Food for the big fish. You cant be that, because you joined the game to late and will never make up the SP and experience gap. So dont get your hopes high. Play without any hope and youll be fine. That, or railgun tank sniping
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 1962	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:47:00 - [113] - Quote I'm poor only 40mil ISK here. Team carry Prof. IV I am a carried scrub!
Bro-metheus Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 78	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:48:00 - [114] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . Maybe your bottom of the barrel in skill you ever think of that? Even if I was low on money or struggling (like that would ever happen) I can merc contracts with my networks to make cash in PC. Fact is you may just be not a valued asset to anyone enough. If you dont have the networks that is not our problem. As for running free suits, that is easy as hell to make money doing that, exile rifle, militia suit and plates and get kills. easy.
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 47	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:52:00 - [115] - Quote 1.Get good. 2.Find people you get along with and whom you compliment with your play style and vise versa. 3.Get better as a squad. 4.Don't be a sore loser or winner. (This will help catch the eye of quality players in quality corps) 5.Continue struggling to get better as a group. 6.Begin squading with a few people outside your group. Eventually one or more with have some influence with some big names. 7.Become friends with people outside your group. 8.You and your group collectively apply to the same corp. 9.LFS into PC battles. 10.Get better. 11.Win PC battles. 12.Profit. I was once the 99%, then WE became the 1%.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 63	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:54:00 - [116] - Quote Bro-metheus wrote: Maybe your bottom of the barrel in skill you ever think of that? Even if I was low on money or struggling (like that would ever happen) I can merc contracts with my networks to make cash in PC. Fact is you may just be not a valued asset to anyone enough. If you dont have the networks that is not our problem. As for running free suits, that is easy as hell to make money doing that, exile rifle, militia suit and plates and get kills. easy. Lol, gentlemen, may I introduce to you: A valuable asset. Yeah, I think we understand you are a "valuable ingame asset". Well thats what we all should aspire for. Not being a cool guy, or a fully developed human being. A valuable asset. Are you a robot or something?
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 147	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:58:00 - [117] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . I have been here since closed beta, I am in a wealthy corp. My assets are 60 million ISK with another 10 million or so in items. My corp has never paid me, or any corp before them. I have played a grand total of 2 PC matches back when it was released. My ISK was saved, budgeted, lost and then saved again. I run advanced 90% of the time and militia if I'm getting stomped. Not everyone of the 1% has their wealth through the poor PC system, and most of the ones that have are vets anyway. My point being we vets have simply been here longer and amassed our wealth through being cost effective over a year or more of play. This universe is not a kind one, if you want to be in the "1%" you have to be prepared to sacrifice battle effectiveness if you start losing too much ISK. Failing that put your hopes in Jadek's lottery for that slim chance of riches. Just don't complain if you find out the ISK does nothing to improve your game.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 402	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:01:00 - [118] - Quote Enki Kalgarian wrote: There are so many people that are playing Dust 514 with very little Isk . Is there going to be any different modes in the future that we can make Isk like that drone mode where we can fight drones all night and make Isk .if you are broke let them know.and I don't want to here run free suits or anything like that because in theory running free suits is good but In the game of dust it is pointless when pretty much everyone is running proto.please leave a comment if you are having troubles playing dust because of the lack of Isk and if you have a lot of money or if you are in a wealthy corp PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE A COMMENT . why cant us wealthy players leave a comment? surely you would want to hear why we are wealthy? anyways ... I think we need to find the reasons behind economic inequality. before i joined nyain san, i was broke. I was also a dropship pilot. Every time i had a dropship, i could not hold it long enough to make a profit on it most days. so, i lost money using them. fix those issues, and we have a solution. however, drone combat (as advertised last year by ccp -.- ) would be amazingly fun. Good thread, just remove the "no rich people" section Just read the damn thread
Bro-metheus Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 78	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:03:00 - [119] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Bro-metheus wrote: Maybe your bottom of the barrel in skill you ever think of that? Even if I was low on money or struggling (like that would ever happen) I can merc contracts with my networks to make cash in PC. Fact is you may just be not a valued asset to anyone enough. If you dont have the networks that is not our problem. As for running free suits, that is easy as hell to make money doing that, exile rifle, militia suit and plates and get kills. easy. Lol, gentlemen, may I introduce to you: A valuable asset. Yeah, I think we understand you are a "valuable ingame asset". Well thats what we all should aspire for. Not being a cool guy, or a fully developed human being. A valuable asset. Are you a robot or something? we are talking about money. IE the exchange of goods and services. So value is a important part of that. See you guys are not bitching about NOT making money. your bitching about NOT making ENOUGH money to support your habits all the time. those are 2 very different things. You can make money easy running MLT suits. the guys bitching in this thread however cant do it will enough or run the best suits well enough to sustain and grow isk from it.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 402	Posted - 2014.03.28 21:04:00 - [120] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: to u guys who dont know how to make money RUN STARTER SUITS SERIOUSLY IDK HOW you guys dont know how to make ISK its not hard sure u are going to die alot but hey u will make a million ISK in 7 - 10 matches CMON !! not much fun in starter suits though is there? Just read the damn thread



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