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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:41:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Still, a five minute visit to the forums via a smartphone or a nearby computer or through your PS3 would have alerted you to the issue and save you a whole 3-4 weeks of extra grinding. we shouldn't have to visit the forums for stuff like this. plus i'm saying im willing to give up my proto suit to get my sp back how is this so un reasonable to you ppl. the clearly the ones that profit from this are the ppl that already have the skills they wanted max'd out and have no need for more sp im not one of those ppl. the right fix would of clearly been to give the sp back and fix the multiplier indeed that is a concern. We forum goers may be the more active and dedicated portion of the community....but we are not necessarily the biggest....... if we want to take it further issues like this should be presented and explain to players on their consoles through the notice board or highlights when the game is started, not just on the forums.
Which is why everyone here should encourage CCP to post the known bugs in the login screen next time.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7684
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:42:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Did you at least get suspicious on why the initial SP investment for Amarr scout was far lower than that of the rest of the scouts? The SP cost is clearly listed under the books right in front of you. i didn't look at the other scouts i knew which scout i was going to skill into weeks ago
/facepalm
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7684
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:44:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:BARDAS wrote:They should refund you. It was a bad business decision not to. It was through their own fault it was broken in the first place. There was no warning for the average player, who does NOT visit the forums likely, before spending all their SP. No emails, not pop ups upon sign on, nothing nada zip. Gives a big big clue as to how they view us as customers. They think we are stupid and will just give in and go along with what they say. To a degree some will because they are either stupid or CCP suck ups. The rest will just deal with the bad taste in their mouths by not purchasing any AUR or funding the developers further. If the devs can live with a reduced cash flow by all means keep the decision and be anti-consumer. Everything you said is completely wrong. It wasn't a "business decision" for starters. The only people who didn't have any warning were players that had never put any SP into racial suits before and had no idea that it was supposed to be an 8x skill. There is zero excuse for anyone else to not have noticed it required half as much SP as every other racial suit in the game has cost the since racial suits were first introduced. Not once has that value ever changed. They don't think you are stupid. In fact this whole mess started because they thought you were smart enough to be able to figure out something was wrong before dumping your SP into it. In retrospect that was a mistake. Everything else you said is just plain nonsense.
Yeah, it was a mistake for CCP to assume most console players were smart enough to think before they act.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
352
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:46:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Still, a five minute visit to the forums via a smartphone or a nearby computer or through your PS3 would have alerted you to the issue and save you a whole 3-4 weeks of extra grinding. we shouldn't have to visit the forums for stuff like this. plus i'm saying im willing to give up my proto suit to get my sp back how is this so un reasonable to you ppl. the clearly the ones that profit from this are the ppl that already have the skills they wanted max'd out and have no need for more sp im not one of those ppl. the right fix would of clearly been to give the sp back and fix the multiplier You are right that you should have to visit the forums. But you have been around here long enough to know that CCP sucks. So if you haven't learned to be very careful by now, why should people be sympathetic?
but for something like a sp multiplier on just 1 suit out of all the basic and racial suits to choose from.
I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
951
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:46:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Did you at least get suspicious on why the initial SP investment for Amarr scout was far lower than that of the rest of the scouts? The SP cost is clearly listed under the books right in front of you. i didn't look at the other scouts i knew which scout i was going to skill into weeks ago
So you went ahead and picked which suit you wanted in advance and allocated enough SP to train it to level V?
Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
921
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:46:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:
but for something like a sp multiplier on just 1 suit out of all the basic and racial suits to choose from.
You should know better by now. Really.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
352
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:49:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Did you at least get suspicious on why the initial SP investment for Amarr scout was far lower than that of the rest of the scouts? The SP cost is clearly listed under the books right in front of you. i didn't look at the other scouts i knew which scout i was going to skill into weeks ago /facepalm
how so, if you went to buy a ford do you think let me look at these hondas first no no you don't you just buy the ford
I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7685
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:51:00 -
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Come on now. Its not that hard to take five minutes of your time to look up the list of known bugs on the first day of every patch. You don't even have to do that everyday. You'll just need to look it up once every three months now when the patch comes.
15 minutes can save you 15% or more on car insurance.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7685
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:52:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Did you at least get suspicious on why the initial SP investment for Amarr scout was far lower than that of the rest of the scouts? The SP cost is clearly listed under the books right in front of you. i didn't look at the other scouts i knew which scout i was going to skill into weeks ago /facepalm how so, if you went to buy a ford do you think let me look at these hondas first no no you don't you just buy the ford
No self respecting car buyer would ever think like that.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
352
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:52:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Did you at least get suspicious on why the initial SP investment for Amarr scout was far lower than that of the rest of the scouts? The SP cost is clearly listed under the books right in front of you. i didn't look at the other scouts i knew which scout i was going to skill into weeks ago So you went ahead and picked which suit you wanted in advance and allocated enough SP to train it to level V?
yes exactly like i said before i knew i had enough sp to go proto without the multiplier bug and still have sp left over. the only mistake i made was spending to much extra sp
I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
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BARDAS
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
884
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:53:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:
Everything you said is completely wrong.
In your opinion only.
Altina McAlterson wrote:
It wasn't a "business decision" for starters.
So you have inside information on CCP's business? Are you a developer? Yes? Which one? Care to disclose why people were not notified in advance? No? GTFO!
Altina McAlterson wrote:
The only people who didn't have any warning were players that had never put any SP into racial suits before and had no idea that it was supposed to be an 8x skill. There is zero excuse for anyone else to not have noticed it required half as much SP as every other racial suit in the game has cost the since racial suits were first introduced. Not once has that value ever changed.
Where were people warned? Was it in game? Did a mass communication go out to all players that was readably available? Only a small percentage of people actually visit the forums. Since when is it our fault that CCP can't code themselves out of a cardboard box? Is it our job to QA their supposedly finished product?
Altina McAlterson wrote:
They don't think you are stupid. In fact this whole mess started because they thought you were smart enough to be able to figure out something was wrong before dumping your SP into it. In retrospect that was a mistake.
And I thought CCP was smart enough to code properly and had QA that filtered out bugs like this, but in retrospect that was a mistake.
Altina McAlterson wrote:
Everything else you said is just plain nonsense.
Opinion, not fact.
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Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
352
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:55:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Did you at least get suspicious on why the initial SP investment for Amarr scout was far lower than that of the rest of the scouts? The SP cost is clearly listed under the books right in front of you. i didn't look at the other scouts i knew which scout i was going to skill into weeks ago /facepalm how so, if you went to buy a ford do you think let me look at these hondas first no no you don't you just buy the ford No self respecting car buyer would ever think like that.
someone who only buys fords does as i only get amarr stuff not counting mods of course
I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
951
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:58:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:Whole mess of nonsense.
With the exception of the final line the words you typed are not related to the quote that appears above them. After reading those words I have realized that further debate with you is meaningless at this point.
Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
921
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:59:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:
yes exactly like i said before i knew i had enough sp to go proto without the multiplier bug and still have sp left over. the only mistake i made was spending to much extra sp
So you knew how much it should cost, got the skill, had SP left over, spent the extra that you KNEW you shouldn't have had and didn't bother to check anything out during that process?
You shouldn't be mad at CCP, you should be mad at yourself.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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BARDAS
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
884
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Posted - 2014.03.27 22:59:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:BARDAS wrote:Whole mess of nonsense. With the exception of the first and final response the words you typed are not related to the quote that appears above them. After reading those words I have realized that further debate with you is meaningless at this point.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
951
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:01:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:BARDAS wrote:Whole mess of nonsense. With the exception of the first and final response the words you typed are not related to the quote that appears above them. After reading those words I have realized that further debate with you is meaningless at this point. Irony strikes!
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
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BARDAS
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
884
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:06:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:BARDAS wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:BARDAS wrote:Whole mess of nonsense. With the exception of the first and final response the words you typed are not related to the quote that appears above them. After reading those words I have realized that further debate with you is meaningless at this point. Irony strikes! You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
I keep using the word irony? Where? Please link to that exact line of text. I'll wait right here. |
Xander Mercy
Dem Durrty Boyz
Dirt Nap Squad.
352
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:11:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:
yes exactly like i said before i knew i had enough sp to go proto without the multiplier bug and still have sp left over. the only mistake i made was spending to much extra sp
So you knew how much it should cost, got the skill, had SP left over, spent the extra that you KNEW you shouldn't have had and didn't bother to check anything out during that process? You shouldn't be mad at CCP, you should be mad at yourself.
the only thing i knew was that i would have sp left over and i did so i spent it i was able to get more mods then i thought and thats when i was told that the multiplier was bugged. so stop trying to make it sound like i knowingly took advantage cause i didn't
I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
952
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:25:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:BARDAS wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:BARDAS wrote:Whole mess of nonsense. With the exception of the first and final response the words you typed are not related to the quote that appears above them. After reading those words I have realized that further debate with you is meaningless at this point. Irony strikes! You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. I keep using the word irony? Where? Please link to that exact line of text. I'll wait right here. EDIT: I'll save you trouble. Click my name and run a search for the word "irony" in every single one of my posts. You get only two, well 3 now, all on this same page.
Oh, there's something I ought to tell you. I'm not left-handed either.
Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8988
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:28:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:Xander Mercy wrote:
yes exactly like i said before i knew i had enough sp to go proto without the multiplier bug and still have sp left over. the only mistake i made was spending to much extra sp
So you knew how much it should cost, got the skill, had SP left over, spent the extra that you KNEW you shouldn't have had and didn't bother to check anything out during that process? You shouldn't be mad at CCP, you should be mad at yourself. the only thing i knew was that i would have sp left over and i did so i spent it i was able to get more mods then i thought and thats when i was told that the multiplier was bugged. so stop trying to make it sound like i knowingly took advantage cause i didn't
Xander simply send in a polite ticket explaining your situation. I am sure the issue will be resolved one way or another.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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GeneralButtNaked
Amarr Templars
923
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:29:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:
the only thing i knew was that i would have sp left over and i did so i spent it i was able to get more mods then i thought and thats when i was told that the multiplier was bugged. so stop trying to make it sound like i knowingly took advantage cause i didn't
Stop acting like something went wrong then.
You got advanced 1.2 million SP.
You should just say thanks for the headstart and settle down.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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BARDAS
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
884
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Posted - 2014.03.28 00:02:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:
Oh, there's something I ought to tell you. I'm not left-handed either.
Man in black you are not  |
Cinder Integ
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
146
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:16:00 -
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Now Xander, you have been around long enough to know better than spend your SP without doing your research.
You should know better then to spend it without checking the fourms on possible bugs... and should also have the common sense to wait atleast a day until after a big patch to spend a large amount of skill points on somthing you arn't 100% sure you will use.
I say this with love brotha, don't dig yourself a deeper hole. Accept your choices, don't play the victim card.
Sidenote: I would be more upset about them nerfing your scrambler pistol's rate of fire.
Trading Carrots for Isk! Come and Get em!
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
NECROM0NGERS
Caps and Mercs
119
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:28:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:As long as you're being nice in the context of your ticket, CCP might be able to help you.
oh they could easily help him its just that ccp doesnt really care to help him
Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9000
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Posted - 2014.03.28 02:32:00 -
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:As long as you're being nice in the context of your ticket, CCP might be able to help you. oh they could easily help him its just that ccp doesnt really care to help him
Devs and GM are two entirely different entities.
"Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!"
-Dagger Two
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