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True Adamance wrote:

But I am unhappy for that exact reason.

I am concerned that with my initial investment into the role would have seen a significantly lesser investment of my SP into the role.

As I have explained during my SP allocation I was not unwilling to skill into scouts, but I had set myself a limit on SP spent to ensure I would not skill excessively.... additionally I did not expect CCP to have such trouble in the implementation of correct skill modifiers.... as such in full I ended spending more SP than I was willing to leaving me with less in my pool that I was specifically saving.

That is my issue. That SP was never intended to have been spent. As I was not aware of the issues with the scouts until reading the hot fix patch and made aware than more SP was going t be taken from me equivalent to a further 1 million SP I feel as though I have been somewhat cheated out of SP that if presented as skill costs to me intially would have resulted in a more reserved application of SP.

I am not wholly concerned with having SP into scouts however I would like the opportunity to realocate the SP spent on Scout Operation IV and V as those are the bulk of total SP spent and it was on those skills the modifier has maximum effect.


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GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 916	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:35:00 - [1] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: they shouldn't of just put us into the red they should of asked what a good fix would of been now we get nothing for play the next few weeks and even then we'll just be at 0 sp No, that is a poor way of looking at it. You spent the SP on stuff. CCP merely corrected how much it should have cost you. What ever you spent that 1.2 million SP on you still get to use until you earn that SP off. You got a loan of 1.2 million SP from CCP you should be happy, not crying like a little girl. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 916	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:38:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: Multiple warnings on the forums that the Amarr suit skill was bugged, still specced into amarr scout. Now that you actually were forced to spend the right amount of sp you are bitching about it. You are honestly lucky you got to keep the skill, they should have removed your SP and left you with nothing. Honestly would rather they did.... I hate feeling like SP was wasted. And would rather loose the 3 mill I earnt from the Million Clone event to remove those skill from my character. All I am saying it that I thought I was making an informed and correct choice with my SP.....apparently I did not. All I can do is submit a ticket to the GM and see how they respond. Did you want the Amarr Scout suit? Do you still have the Amarr Scout suit? You got exactly what you wanted, for half price, for a day. You had a bargain, for awhile. If you only specced into Amarr scout because it was half price, then you must have noticed that it was the only one at the price point, and if you thought that CCP would just leave one racial suit at half price then you are an idiot. But if you spent SP on it just because it was a 4x multiplier(which is what we can reasonably infer from your complaints), then enjoy the negatie balance, you got what you deserve. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 917	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:52:00 - [3] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: i didn't know it was a x4 multiplier and id rather just get the sp refunded then keep the suit Failing to read the info is on you. If you don't think the Amarr scout is worth the SP you invested, that is common with any proto dropsuit, deal with it. Not takes back though, you shouldn't have spent your SP to fast, you could have tested the suit at std or adv to make sure it was going to fulfill your needs. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 917	Posted - 2014.03.27 21:54:00 - [4] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: Vell0cet wrote: People seem to see the glass as 1% empty instead of 99% full. shrug OP: think of it as CCP giving you the skill on layaway for 50% down and 0% interest for as long as it takes to pay back. If that was a car in real life, you'd have a hell-of-a-deal. i'd rather just not have have the proto scout since i don't use it i just didn't want to skill into it later. Wait, what? You didn't even want proto? Then why did you spec that far into it in the first place? By the way, this issue was posted in the forums on the first day. This is standard procedure to read the issues thread before doing anything in the new update. What he is actually saying is that he spent the SP before the SP multiplier got raised because he hoped that CCP would fix the multiplier and let people just keep the skills for free. So he tried to take advantage, got burned, and now wants CCP to correct his greed for him to his benefit. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 920	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:04:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: But I am unhappy for that exact reason. I am concerned that with my initial investment into the role would have seen a significantly lesser investment of my SP into the role. As I have explained during my SP allocation I was not unwilling to skill into scouts, but I had set myself a limit on SP spent to ensure I would not skill excessively.... additionally I did not expect CCP to have such trouble in the implementation of correct skill modifiers.... as such in full I ended spending more SP than I was willing to leaving me with less in my pool that I was specifically saving. That is my issue. That SP was never intended to have been spent. As I was not aware of the issues with the scouts until reading the hot fix patch and made aware than more SP was going t be taken from me equivalent to a further 1 million SP I feel as though I have been somewhat cheated out of SP that if presented as skill costs to me intially would have resulted in a more reserved application of SP. I am not wholly concerned with having SP into scouts however I would like the opportunity to realocate the SP spent on Scout Operation IV and V as those are the bulk of total SP spent and it was on those skills the modifier has maximum effect. So you budgeted how much SP you were going to spend, but when the price for the Amarr scout came in under budget you didn't stop and find out why? If you had a budget, that means you know what a proto racial suit costs. If you had only budgeted for an advacned scout but went to proto because it magically cost less than it should, that is on you. If the scout is your only suit, then you are probably FotM chasing, and I don't feel bad. If the scout isn't your only suit than you know exactly what a suit should cost and should have known better. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 920	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:07:00 - [6] - Quote ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: i didn't know it was a x4 multiplier and id rather just get the sp refunded then keep the suit Failing to read the info is on you. What info? When did CCP notify the entire user base? Is it suddenly the average user's fault they didn't log on and read the forums that day? NO! It is CCP's fault for doing ****** coding and not QA'ing their game. The fault is on CCP and they are trying to shift it to the consumer which is BAD. Xander said he didn't know it was a 4x multiplier. What I infer from that is that he wanted an Amarr Scout anyway and spent the SP without reading the info. If he had checked the info he would have seen that it wasn't a normal 12x multiplier. That would have tipped him off to the bug. They are not blaming people for anything. If you spent SP to get Amarr scout level 5, CCP figures you still want it, and adjusted the price to what it should have been. If you didn't want the Amarr scout, but thought you could get a proto scout suit for half price, then enjoy your suit that you tried exploit to get, you got what you deserved. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 920	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:19:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: No one in this thread tried to exploit anything.......an honest mistake on our part that is being IMO severely punished for a mistake the poor presentation of the skill directly contributed to. How are you being punished? You chose to skill into Amarr scout 5. No one made you skill into it, you chose to do so because seemingly you wanted acess to the proto suit. That suit costs 2.4 million SP. You paid 2.4 million SP for it. Whatever you spent the other 1.2 million SP on you still got those benefits as well. You basically got 1.2 million SP for free for a couple of weeks use. You didn't get punished you got rewarded. What they should have done was strand you at level 4, and let you re earn the 5 when ever you wanted to. The only reason that didn't happen is that it wouldn't work out evenly for people who only skilled to level 3. You didn't get punished, you just got forced to pay what you should have paid, and because you no longer got a deal you feel ripped off. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 920	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:30:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: What I chose was to spend SP in the tree to retain X amount of SP after the investment. Now that I have had a further 900K removed from my pool after the fact..... this is not SP I would have spent on any suit or core upgrades field. How many proto suits did you get on patch day? Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 920	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:37:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: 15, since I primarily am an HAV pilot. I meant how many suits did you spend SP to get proto on? Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 920	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:38:00 - [10] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Still, a five minute visit to the forums via a smartphone or a nearby computer or through your PS3 would have alerted you to the issue and save you a whole 3-4 weeks of extra grinding. we shouldn't have to visit the forums for stuff like this. plus i'm saying im willing to give up my proto suit to get my sp back how is this so un reasonable to you ppl. the clearly the ones that profit from this are the ppl that already have the skills they wanted max'd out and have no need for more sp im not one of those ppl. the right fix would of clearly been to give the sp back and fix the multiplier You are right that you should have to visit the forums. But you have been around here long enough to know that CCP sucks. So if you haven't learned to be very careful by now, why should people be sympathetic? Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.

GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 921	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:46:00 - [11] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: but for something like a sp multiplier on just 1 suit out of all the basic and racial suits to choose from. You should know better by now. Really. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 921	Posted - 2014.03.27 22:59:00 - [12] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: yes exactly like i said before i knew i had enough sp to go proto without the multiplier bug and still have sp left over. the only mistake i made was spending to much extra sp So you knew how much it should cost, got the skill, had SP left over, spent the extra that you KNEW you shouldn't have had and didn't bother to check anything out during that process? You shouldn't be mad at CCP, you should be mad at yourself. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Amarr Templars 923	Posted - 2014.03.27 23:29:00 - [13] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: the only thing i knew was that i would have sp left over and i did so i spent it i was able to get more mods then i thought and thats when i was told that the multiplier was bugged. so stop trying to make it sound like i knowingly took advantage cause i didn't Stop acting like something went wrong then. You got advanced 1.2 million SP. You should just say thanks for the headstart and settle down. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.