And that's why I'm skilling up Gal, Cal, and Min scouts. I already do outside point defense on my own - it's one of the best ways to get in knife practice. The cloak will make it much more entertaining and add survivability.

However the non-scouty solution to the above problem would be to send in a Gal Logi with the focused scanner. Its 15dB scan precision would pick up anyone except a quadruple dampened and cloaked Amarr scout, or a Gal Scout who is either running two complex damps, or a complex damp and has its cloak up.

Leave it to CCP to put something like that in the game.

the cak scout wont find my gal scout

Can we have Utahraptors that can cloak? CCP Frame said everything but Pterodactyls is fair game.

Speccing into both but the Cal scout is going to be a great hunter. I was solo defending a point today and thought how awesome it would be to know the enemy is there without them knowing they've been scanned.

You can do that now.
Just have a scout with double complex range modules.
thats close to 60m scan range, I think?

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I just going to make my Scouts suits Slayer fits

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I just going to make my Scouts suits Slayer fits

But can you find the Cal scout?

And how many other people can you find, compared to who the Cal scout can find?

If you can't find him and he can't find you, then you're evenly matched in terms of scanning. But if he can find everyone else, then he has an edge (perhaps not over you, but over everyone else, certainly).

How well will that work when the reds approach 2-3 at a time in loose formation?

The Scout won't be able to get them all before being dispatched.

One hacks and the other(s) over watch.

How well will that work when the reds approach 2-3 at a time in loose formation?

The Scout won't be able to get them all before being dispatched.

One hacks and the other(s) over watch.

I think the cloaks will either be good or make the game sht, I predict cloak 514 after 2 weeks of 1.8.

I believe it will simply end up being a case of if you sdont have a cloak then you you will just get trolled all match, further making customisation even more pointless unless dying is your idea of fun.

Dust has always shown fotm mentality so I can't see it being any different.

Honestly - a lot of what is being suggested here is what scouts already do - obviously it will help do it better, but apart from chasing a target in the open to get into Shotty/NK range (standing still when they check their six then resuming sprint when they turn back around), I haven't really heard much suggesting it will open up completely new tactics.

Though something that can help scouts do their scouty business better is no bad thing. I just I'm predicting a moving scout at 30m is still gonna be quite noticeable. We shall see I guess...

I think the psychological effect of cloak will just be easy QQ material for hatemail. Can imagine getting 'invisinoob' mails even when I'm not running cloak...

I'm surprised we don't have dinosaurs already. They're pointless enough, and they could probably be a huge SP sink if we work them right.

I'm calling it now:

There will be many complaints when folks start getting blown up by REs that they can't get away from.

Scouts will wait until the enemy has their collective backs to him, then de-cloak, toss, and BOOM!
Rinse and repeat until the forums flow with rage and calls for nerfing.

There is no rage quite like that directed against OHKs.

I can see cloaks and REs becoming a tactic. Walk up to a group of heavies, de-cloak, toss an RE or two, run and detonate - OHK.

Everything is used to slay and this looks to be the easiest way to do that. Heavies will be very popular and they won't be able to waddle away from the RE fast enough.

have not checked but.... how many equip slots will scouts have

Two equipment slots

I feel that the cloak will firstly be a psychological game changer. Scouts with a cloak equipped will be able to lock down certain areas through fear and paranoia alone.

Say that your squad really wants to hold down "B." Simply send a scout or two to B and have them wait. Their superior passive scan range will alert them to when an enemy or enemies are headed over to try to and take the objective. Cloak engaged. Now the scouts lie in wait out of the enemy LOS (to prevent their reticule from glowing red) and wait for them to start hacking. Cloaked scouts move in for the kill with either RE's or a shotgun.

Now you've put fear into those players which if playing in a squad, they will relay that there are cloaked scouts defending B. Suddenly you will have players that may be "too afraid" to enter that objective and it will be effectively locked down.

Yes, I know scouts currently can do this by simply being dampened enough not to show on RADAR and it's terrifying when you're suddenly dead to something that you didn't even see, but cloaks will make this tactic even more frightening and effective.

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Now the tactic I described above will bring about a positive change for scouts in another way, they'll actually be needed by teams/squads.

Let's say a squad has set up the scenario I've described above where they are camping an objective watching their passive scans before they cloak. The enemy team now knows from being blown to bits that they're in there but doesn't know how to approach the situation. CALSCOUT I CHOOSE YOU! Unless one of the scouts lying in wait is a calscout themself, the calscout the enemy is sending in "shouldn't" appear on the ambush scouts' passive scans. The attacking calscout "should" be able to see the two ambush uncloaked scouts on its passive scan (remember they haven't cloaked because they haven't seen anyone on their passive.) Calscout now knows where they are, cloaks, and heads in to eliminate two uncloaked scouts trying to "ambush" anyone who tries to take the objective. All clear.

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Scouts are going to be used now imo to start doing what their role suggests and scouting out for enemies but mostly other scouts. People will be aware that in their medium or heavy frames, their RADAR will simply not be capable of scanning down scout suits and thus will send their own scouts to assess a situation first before the cavalry arrives so to speak.

How well will that work when the reds approach 2-3 at a time in loose formation?

The Scout won't be able to get them all before being dispatched.

One hacks and the other(s) over watch.

Remote the hacker then kill the rest (place remote before enemies come)

I agree they are a game changer. I seriously doubt if the change is good. Maybe if you are a 13 year old male they are the dream combination. It's almost like they get to play CoD or BFx for free.

Hmm if I remember correctly didn't CCP state that while cloaking will make said scouts invisible it will also give a distinct sound when an enemy is close an its in use sooo doesn't this mean that even if you can't see said scout you will hear them when one is cloaked like how you can hear a tank even when you can't see one visually or on radar. In other words keep those ears open.

I already do that WITHOUT the cloak

I'm guessing you can also blatantly see how this is the next crutch, I do everything mentioned just fine on my minja without cloak. Will be swapping to caldari and arm with a magsec, knives and re's.

Keep the tacticalol sugar coating going guys, its entertaining that you are so blind even after observing every update offer a new crutch that, before release, gets sugar coated to appear like it totally isn't a fking unecssary crutch hahahaha.

Rinse and repeat.

I'm guessing you can also blatantly see how this is the next crutch, I do everything mentioned just fine on my minja without cloak. Will be swapping to caldari and arm with a magsec, knives and re's.

Keep the tacticalol sugar coating going guys, its entertaining that you are so blind even after observing every update offer a new crutch that, before release, gets sugar coated to appear like it totally isn't a fking unecssary crutch hahahaha.

Rinse and repeat.

Excuse me, Mr. Scout. Would you kindly run across this open stretch of ground? Oh, no, of course not. There aren't any snipers watching this area where you'll be completely exposed for the next minute. Why would you ever think a silly thing like that?

What? You got shot on the way there? I guess you should have called in a tank or dropship or LAV instead to get you there. Hm? You didn't want to give away your position to the enemy team by calling in and driving/flying one of those? Well, that's too bad for you. Perhaps you should switch to something with a bit more health? Just because your scout suit is nearly useless on half the maps because it gets one shotted by everything doesn't mean it's not OP, because it totally is and it should never have anything to balance it out.

Excuse me, Mr. Scout. Would you kindly run across this open stretch of ground? Oh, no, of course not. There aren't any snipers watching this area where you'll be completely exposed for the next minute. Why would you ever think a silly thing like that?

What? You got shot on the way there? I guess you should have called in a tank or dropship or LAV instead to get you there. Hm? You didn't want to give away your position to the enemy team by calling in and driving/flying one of those? Well, that's too bad for you. Perhaps you should switch to something with a bit more health? Just because your scout suit is nearly useless on half the maps because it gets one shotted by everything doesn't mean it's not OP, because it totally is and it should never have anything to balance it out.

I can see cloaks and REs becoming a tactic. Walk up to a group of heavies, de-cloak, toss an RE or two, run and detonate - OHK.

Everything is used to slay and this looks to be the easiest way to do that. Heavies will be very popular and they won't be able to waddle away from the RE fast enough.