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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:10:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Hynox Xitio wrote:Can we have Utahraptors that can cloak? CCP Frame said everything but Pterodactyls is fair game. I'm surprised we don't have dinosaurs already. They're pointless enough, and they could probably be a huge SP sink if we work them right. whats with the dino meme lately i missed? or is there serious talk of adding these?
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
3071
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:11:00 -
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I'm calling it now:
There will be many complaints when folks start getting blown up by REs that they can't get away from.
Scouts will wait until the enemy has their collective backs to him, then de-cloak, toss, and BOOM! Rinse and repeat until the forums flow with rage and calls for nerfing.
There is no rage quite like that directed against OHKs. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
1035
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:16:00 -
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I agree they are a game changer. I seriously doubt if the change is good. Maybe if you are a 13 year old male they are the dream combination. It's almost like they get to play CoD or BFx for free.
As far as the psychological changes ... well I will start out every round ticked off. So that counts. The good news is I will play less so that means Dust will not be aggravating me nearly as much.
Then I can play other games, games where the guns shoot when you pull the trigger. Those are the best games.
And so it goes.
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
3073
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Posted - 2014.03.19 18:34:00 -
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On a positive note the volume of tank complaints should go down as people focus their rage on invisible RE killers.
Most everyone should be able to get in on the act too. ADV scout with ADV cloak shouldn't be all that expensive SP wise and should be effective enough for a few laughs.
The most fun will probably be had walking or climbing above a group before attacking and going invisible again before jumping down and sauntering away. |
dogman dave
DUST University Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:31:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I'm calling it now:
There will be many complaints when folks start getting blown up by REs that they can't get away from.
Scouts will wait until the enemy has their collective backs to him, then de-cloak, toss, and BOOM! Rinse and repeat until the forums flow with rage and calls for nerfing.
There is no rage quite like that directed against OHKs.
have not checked but.... how many equip slots will scouts have |
Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
1072
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:37:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I can see cloaks and REs becoming a tactic. Walk up to a group of heavies, de-cloak, toss an RE or two, run and detonate - OHK.
Everything is used to slay and this looks to be the easiest way to do that. Heavies will be very popular and they won't be able to waddle away from the RE fast enough.
except that it now will take more than 1 RE to kill a heavy. Putting down two, is not so easy. |
Christiphoros von Poe
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
212
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Posted - 2014.03.19 21:39:00 -
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dogman dave wrote:Skihids wrote:I'm calling it now:
There will be many complaints when folks start getting blown up by REs that they can't get away from.
Scouts will wait until the enemy has their collective backs to him, then de-cloak, toss, and BOOM! Rinse and repeat until the forums flow with rage and calls for nerfing.
There is no rage quite like that directed against OHKs. have not checked but.... how many equip slots will scouts have Two equipment slots
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dogman dave
DUST University Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:00:00 -
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote:dogman dave wrote:Skihids wrote:I'm calling it now:
There will be many complaints when folks start getting blown up by REs that they can't get away from.
Scouts will wait until the enemy has their collective backs to him, then de-cloak, toss, and BOOM! Rinse and repeat until the forums flow with rage and calls for nerfing.
There is no rage quite like that directed against OHKs. have not checked but.... how many equip slots will scouts have Two equipment slots
whoo hoo!!! open that can of whoop asss!!! can you say OP?!!\
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
830
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:11:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I feel that the cloak will firstly be a psychological game changer. Scouts with a cloak equipped will be able to lock down certain areas through fear and paranoia alone.
Say that your squad really wants to hold down "B." Simply send a scout or two to B and have them wait. Their superior passive scan range will alert them to when an enemy or enemies are headed over to try to and take the objective. Cloak engaged. Now the scouts lie in wait out of the enemy LOS (to prevent their reticule from glowing red) and wait for them to start hacking. Cloaked scouts move in for the kill with either RE's or a shotgun.
Now you've put fear into those players which if playing in a squad, they will relay that there are cloaked scouts defending B. Suddenly you will have players that may be "too afraid" to enter that objective and it will be effectively locked down.
Yes, I know scouts currently can do this by simply being dampened enough not to show on RADAR and it's terrifying when you're suddenly dead to something that you didn't even see, but cloaks will make this tactic even more frightening and effective.
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Now the tactic I described above will bring about a positive change for scouts in another way, they'll actually be needed by teams/squads.
Let's say a squad has set up the scenario I've described above where they are camping an objective watching their passive scans before they cloak. The enemy team now knows from being blown to bits that they're in there but doesn't know how to approach the situation. CALSCOUT I CHOOSE YOU! Unless one of the scouts lying in wait is a calscout themself, the calscout the enemy is sending in "shouldn't" appear on the ambush scouts' passive scans. The attacking calscout "should" be able to see the two ambush uncloaked scouts on its passive scan (remember they haven't cloaked because they haven't seen anyone on their passive.) Calscout now knows where they are, cloaks, and heads in to eliminate two uncloaked scouts trying to "ambush" anyone who tries to take the objective. All clear.
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Scouts are going to be used now imo to start doing what their role suggests and scouting out for enemies but mostly other scouts. People will be aware that in their medium or heavy frames, their RADAR will simply not be capable of scanning down scout suits and thus will send their own scouts to assess a situation first before the cavalry arrives so to speak.
Well said, +1.
The total additions to 1.8 across all suits will create emergent gameplay opportunities. I also think you may start to see the narrow band of PC quality builds expand significantly as a result.
To your point, I think team tactics are going to shift significantly with the scouts coming into their own...about time.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
289
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Posted - 2014.03.19 22:20:00 -
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The Amarr Sentinel and the psychological changes it will bring
Fixed
I've spent most of my waking life playing video games. Don't think your SP being higher than my 17M makes you better >:)
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
562
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Posted - 2014.03.19 23:17:00 -
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Skihids wrote:How well will that work when the reds approach 2-3 at a time in loose formation?
The Scout won't be able to get them all before being dispatched.
One hacks and the other(s) over watch. Remote the hacker then kill the rest (place remote before enemies come)
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
3079
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Posted - 2014.03.20 00:14:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Skihids wrote:How well will that work when the reds approach 2-3 at a time in loose formation?
The Scout won't be able to get them all before being dispatched.
One hacks and the other(s) over watch. Remote the hacker then kill the rest (place remote before enemies come)
I'm assuming they are smart enough to flux the point before hacking. |
SPESHULz
The Southern Legion
53
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Posted - 2014.03.20 01:45:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:I agree they are a game changer. I seriously doubt if the change is good. Maybe if you are a 13 year old male they are the dream combination. It's almost like they get to play CoD or BFx for free.
Pretty sure cod would have been paid for to shut up the 13 year old
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1785
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Posted - 2014.03.20 02:01:00 -
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I already do that WITHOUT the cloak |
Outer Raven
WarRavens League of Infamy
201
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Posted - 2014.03.20 04:37:00 -
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Hmm if I remember correctly didn't CCP state that while cloaking will make said scouts invisible it will also give a distinct sound when an enemy is close an its in use sooo doesn't this mean that even if you can't see said scout you will hear them when one is cloaked like how you can hear a tank even when you can't see one visually or on radar. In other words keep those ears open.
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4073
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Posted - 2014.03.20 05:17:00 -
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Outer Raven wrote:Hmm if I remember correctly didn't CCP state that while cloaking will make said scouts invisible it will also give a distinct sound when an enemy is close an its in use sooo doesn't this mean that even if you can't see said scout you will hear them when one is cloaked like how you can hear a tank even when you can't see one visually or on radar. In other words keep those ears open.
No, you make a sound when uncloaking, not a constant sound while cloaked.
I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2874
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Posted - 2014.03.20 13:47:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:I already do that WITHOUT the cloak
I'm guessing you can also blatantly see how this is the next crutch, I do everything mentioned just fine on my minja without cloak. Will be swapping to caldari and arm with a magsec, knives and re's.
Keep the tacticalol sugar coating going guys, its entertaining that you are so blind even after observing every update offer a new crutch that, before release, gets sugar coated to appear like it totally isn't a fking unecssary crutch hahahaha.
Rinse and repeat.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Dust on the ps4 asap please
I'll behave
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4078
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Posted - 2014.03.20 13:51:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Joel II X wrote:I already do that WITHOUT the cloak I'm guessing you can also blatantly see how this is the next crutch, I do everything mentioned just fine on my minja without cloak. Will be swapping to caldari and arm with a magsec, knives and re's. Keep the tacticalol sugar coating going guys, its entertaining that you are so blind even after observing every update offer a new crutch that, before release, gets sugar coated to appear like it totally isn't a fking unecssary crutch hahahaha. Rinse and repeat.
Someone sounds a little salty there.
I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
228
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Posted - 2014.03.20 13:53:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Joel II X wrote:I already do that WITHOUT the cloak I'm guessing you can also blatantly see how this is the next crutch, I do everything mentioned just fine on my minja without cloak. Will be swapping to caldari and arm with a magsec, knives and re's. Keep the tacticalol sugar coating going guys, its entertaining that you are so blind even after observing every update offer a new crutch that, before release, gets sugar coated to appear like it totally isn't a fking unecssary crutch hahahaha. Rinse and repeat.
Excuse me, Mr. Scout. Would you kindly run across this open stretch of ground? Oh, no, of course not. There aren't any snipers watching this area where you'll be completely exposed for the next minute. Why would you ever think a silly thing like that?
What? You got shot on the way there? I guess you should have called in a tank or dropship or LAV instead to get you there. Hm? You didn't want to give away your position to the enemy team by calling in and driving/flying one of those? Well, that's too bad for you. Perhaps you should switch to something with a bit more health? Just because your scout suit is nearly useless on half the maps because it gets one shotted by everything doesn't mean it's not OP, because it totally is and it should never have anything to balance it out.
Nova Knives are OP! Nerf em before you lose all your proto suits!
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TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2874
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:02:00 -
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I do think that EVENTUALLYGäó, when the winning tactic isn't just simply scan and spam, then the cloak will have a fair place. Right now with the same maps, same spammy type shtty game modes and nothing at all to do, its just a toy chucked in to pacify scum.
It also makes my ears bleed when people talk about tactics in dust, its one of the least tactical spammy mindless games iv played since 1996, you only need to think when applying sp. This is something a member in my corp called x7 lion has bought up many times, the gameplay itself needs a bit more in it.
Trolling is already a major part of play and the cloak will just make the game that much more evasive and pathetic for people who don't really enjoy running away and hiding, the game should have been made better before something like the cloak was added.
And where's all my extra logi toys CCP? Yeah tthats right, f you too!
Saying all that, 1.8 will be great but it will be cloak 514 after two weeks, its just the way it goes with this trollmunity after every update and you'd have to be stupid yo think that 1.8 will be any different.
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Level 2 forum warrior.
Dust on the ps4 asap please
I'll behave
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1809
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:28:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Joel II X wrote:I already do that WITHOUT the cloak I'm guessing you can also blatantly see how this is the next crutch, I do everything mentioned just fine on my minja without cloak. Will be swapping to caldari and arm with a magsec, knives and re's. Keep the tacticalol sugar coating going guys, its entertaining that you are so blind even after observing every update offer a new crutch that, before release, gets sugar coated to appear like it totally isn't a fking unecssary crutch hahahaha. Rinse and repeat. Excuse me, Mr. Scout. Would you kindly run across this open stretch of ground? Oh, no, of course not. There aren't any snipers watching this area where you'll be completely exposed for the next minute. Why would you ever think a silly thing like that? What? You got shot on the way there? I guess you should have called in a tank or dropship or LAV instead to get you there. Hm? You didn't want to give away your position to the enemy team by calling in and driving/flying one of those? Well, that's too bad for you. Perhaps you should switch to something with a bit more health? Just because your scout suit is nearly useless on half the maps because it gets one shotted by everything doesn't mean it's not OP, because it totally is and it should never have anything to balance it out. You obviously have to take the long way around, then. You can get anywhere undetected assuming people don't use their eyes much.
Also, cloaks will shimmer when running so wouldn't that still be detectable when running through open areas? |
TechMechMeds
SWAMPERIUM
2874
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Posted - 2014.03.20 14:56:00 -
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Crimson ShieId wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Joel II X wrote:I already do that WITHOUT the cloak I'm guessing you can also blatantly see how this is the next crutch, I do everything mentioned just fine on my minja without cloak. Will be swapping to caldari and arm with a magsec, knives and re's. Keep the tacticalol sugar coating going guys, its entertaining that you are so blind even after observing every update offer a new crutch that, before release, gets sugar coated to appear like it totally isn't a fking unecssary crutch hahahaha. Rinse and repeat. Excuse me, Mr. Scout. Would you kindly run across this open stretch of ground? Oh, no, of course not. There aren't any snipers watching this area where you'll be completely exposed for the next minute. Why would you ever think a silly thing like that? What? You got shot on the way there? I guess you should have called in a tank or dropship or LAV instead to get you there. Hm? You didn't want to give away your position to the enemy team by calling in and driving/flying one of those? Well, that's too bad for you. Perhaps you should switch to something with a bit more health? Just because your scout suit is nearly useless on half the maps because it gets one shotted by everything doesn't mean it's not OP, because it totally is and it should never have anything to balance it out.
Your inadequacy doesn't apply to everyone.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Dust on the ps4 asap please
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RayRay James
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
29
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:19:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I can see cloaks and REs becoming a tactic. Walk up to a group of heavies, de-cloak, toss an RE or two, run and detonate - OHK.
Everything is used to slay and this looks to be the easiest way to do that. Heavies will be very popular and they won't be able to waddle away from the RE fast enough.
I do this now with a lvl 1 scout |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
1138
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Posted - 2014.03.20 16:23:00 -
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It'll have to be two REs, as most heavies can tank one in 1.8. |
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