Depends. Amarr will have 360 stamina with no greens, which means it can run a little under 400 meters without stopping. Dont some maps have more than 400 meters to the complex?

Ok guys. So far I did four examples. On all examples the Gallente scout was able to have better stamina and stamina regen, be faster (or in one case just a 0.04 slower), have better armor repair rate, have better scan radius, and at most only lose out on about 35 EHP in exchange for all these benefits.

Have I done my job? Can you guys see the pattern I am using to convert Amarr fits into better Gallente fits? Can all those people who say "Stop complaining when the suit isn't even released" please shut up now. The people complaining about the Amarr scout suit do so with valid reason.

No CCP has capped speeds currently at 11.11. (Gall scout with 4 complex reds)

Also minmitar is not faster when you put red mods. 4 lows with reds beats 3 lows with reds pretty sure.

+5 percent to biotics efficacyGǪ not opGǪ
25% efficacy on Kins + 5% more efficacy for skill Kins to complexGǪ yeah that is reasonable

Also minmitar is not faster when you put red mods. 4 lows with reds beats 3 lows with reds pretty sure.

More stamina is irrelevant if the amount of stamina the amarr starts off with is good enough to get to the city. Add being a tad bit faster, and it's going to be the best starter suit to get to the city at beginning of a match

Edit: also add that the amarr has more starting hp to help win that first fight against another potential enemy scout.

I'm getting different numbers for amarr with 4 reds... :/

Amarr (4 reds)
7.7175*1.126*(1+12.6*0.87/100)*(1+12.6*0.57/100)*(1+12.6*0.27/100)=10.68 m/sec

I'm getting different numbers for amarr with 4 reds... :/
Edit: so is it 10.7, 10.1...or ..?

Proto CR/Mag Sec
Remotes, Adv Cloak
2 c extenders - 2(c and e) dampened with (c) kin cat and (c) reactive
M8 focus nades

524 eHP, gives you the Dampening of Gal with one (c) Dampener plus of course cloak adv gets you under everything. Also proves, the armor rep. If you don't care for the rep there are even greater options at Proto for Amarr Scout.

I'm not saying the Cal Scout might not be the best or the Gal scout racial bonus provides it with the ability to equip a nice card cat to provide it with better stamina or stamina regen, but the Amarr Scout is not a worthless suit.

You don't have to choose it if you feel that it is inferior option. But at adv it is far superior to a Min Scout, and at Proto the slot lay out 2-4 is flexible, strong and can provide very strong fittings for those who spec into it.

Proto CR/Mag Sec
Remotes, Adv Cloak
2 c extenders - 2(c and e) dampened with (c) kin cat and (c) reactive
M8 focus nades

524 eHP, gives you the Dampening of Gal with one (c) Dampener plus of course cloak adv gets you under everything. Also proves, the armor rep. If you don't care for the rep there are even greater options at Proto for Amarr Scout.

I'm not saying the Cal Scout might not be the best or the Gal scout racial bonus provides it with the ability to equip a nice card cat to provide it with better stamina or stamina regen, but the Amarr Scout is not a worthless suit.

You don't have to choose it if you feel that it is inferior option. But at adv it is far superior to a Min Scout, and at Proto the slot lay out 2-4 is flexible, strong and can provide very strong fittings for those who spec into it.

Actually if Aero wants to scout he does have to choose it.

I don't understand with this "race to the destination" - call in a LAV and even fatties will beat two scout morons who are running to the point.

The idea of using 3-4 kin cats is also ridiculous to the question of providing a fair and competitive build for the Amarr. At adv it is superior to the Min Scout and at Proto is slot layout 2-4 provides excellent possible fittings.

I prefer always using 2 (c) extenders in high myself but maybe cloaks will change that. I don't value the armor rep of 4/sec but i do agree its a nice boost. The 4 lows at Proto can easily be used to get under any radar if you feel that is one option. If a Gal uses a (c) card and the Amarr uses a (e) Dampener they might not be on par but it doesn't mean they aren't better than Min or not a competitive or potentially devastating choice of suit.

The Cal scout is a different story, based on its stats of only 2 low it has major drawback if its not slotted as a scanning master. It would require big slots at low to be used with dampeners making it far less mobile, no chance for a varied build, and has a low chance to have any sort of elite speed or stamina. Sure it can use 1 (c) extender and 3 (c) prec and be amazingly useful in a team but it won't be as good as the Gal or the Amarr in many roles.

No scout will excel at all roles, yes the Gal slot layout and racial (c) damp help greatly but you can't argue that Cal or Amarr scouts will be terrible in comparison. Or for that matter the Amarr Scout is some tragedy and needs more, it's all in the way you play and its 2-4 will allow for a very exciting and varied play style. And for some who lack elite SP, a varied suit capable of being anything from a silent killer to a light infantry is an appealing option because spec'ing into multiple suits is not an option.

I don't understand with this "race to the destination" - call in a LAV and even fatties will beat two scout morons who are running to the point.

The idea of using 3-4 kin cats is also ridiculous to the question of providing a fair and competitive build for the Amarr. At adv it is superior to the Min Scout and at Proto is slot layout 2-4 provides excellent possible fittings.

I prefer always using 2 (c) extenders in high myself but maybe cloaks will change that. I don't value the armor rep of 4/sec but i do agree its a nice boost. The 4 lows at Proto can easily be used to get under any radar if you feel that is one option. If a Gal uses a (c) card and the Amarr uses a (e) Dampener they might not be on par but it doesn't mean they aren't better than Min or not a competitive or potentially devastating choice of suit.

The Cal scout is a different story, based on its stats of only 2 low it has major drawback if its not slotted as a scanning master. It would require big slots at low to be used with dampeners making it far less mobile, no chance for a varied build, and has a low chance to have any sort of elite speed or stamina. Sure it can use 1 (c) extender and 3 (c) prec and be amazingly useful in a team but it won't be as good as the Gal or the Amarr in many roles.

No scout will excel at all roles, yes the Gal slot layout and racial (c) damp help greatly but you can't argue that Cal or Amarr scouts will be terrible in comparison. Or for that matter the Amarr Scout is some tragedy and needs more, it's all in the way you play and its 2-4 will allow for a very exciting and varied play style. And for some who lack elite SP, a varied suit capable of being anything from a silent killer to a light infantry is an appealing option because spec'ing into multiple suits is not an option.

I don't understand with this "race to the destination" - call in a LAV and even fatties will beat two scout morons who are running to the point.

The idea of using 3-4 kin cats is also ridiculous to the question of providing a fair and competitive build for the Amarr. At adv it is superior to the Min Scout and at Proto is slot layout 2-4 provides excellent possible fittings.

I prefer always using 2 (c) extenders in high myself but maybe cloaks will change that. I don't value the armor rep of 4/sec but i do agree its a nice boost. The 4 lows at Proto can easily be used to get under any radar if you feel that is one option. If a Gal uses a (c) card and the Amarr uses a (e) Dampener they might not be on par but it doesn't mean they aren't better than Min or not a competitive or potentially devastating choice of suit.

The Cal scout is a different story, based on its stats of only 2 low it has major drawback if its not slotted as a scanning master. It would require big slots at low to be used with dampeners making it far less mobile, no chance for a varied build, and has a low chance to have any sort of elite speed or stamina. Sure it can use 1 (c) extender and 3 (c) prec and be amazingly useful in a team but it won't be as good as the Gal or the Amarr in many roles.

No scout will excel at all roles, yes the Gal slot layout and racial (c) damp help greatly but you can't argue that Cal or Amarr scouts will be terrible in comparison. Or for that matter the Amarr Scout is some tragedy and needs more, it's all in the way you play and its 2-4 will allow for a very exciting and varied play style. And for some who lack elite SP, a varied suit capable of being anything from a silent killer to a light infantry is an appealing option because spec'ing into multiple suits is not an option.

...At adv it is superior to the Min Scout and at Proto is slot layout 2-4 provides excellent possible fittings.

No scout will excel at all roles, yes the Gal slot layout and racial (c) damp help greatly but you can't argue that Cal or Amarr scouts will be terrible in comparison...

Do you even realize that in all my examples not only does the Gallente scout have better e-war but it also has better stamina, stamina recovery, and speed. Apply some logic to that.

Not sure how you guys are coming to the conclusion that Gallente beats Amarr in stamina and stamina regen.
By my math, Amarr have the highest Stamina Pool and second highest Stamina Regen.

Stamina Math (Ranked by Highest)
Stamina,Lvl(1),Lvl(3),Lvl(5),Biotics(5),CmpCardReg(x1)
Amarr,275,316,344,361,758
Minmatar,225,225,225,236,496
Gallente,200,200,200,210,441
Caldari,200,200,200,210,441

Stamina Regen Math (Ranked by Highest)
Stamina_Regen,Lvl(1),Lvl(3),Lvl(5),Biotics(5),CmpCardReg(x1)
Minmatar,80,80,80,84,176
Amarr,40,46,50,53,110
Gallente,30,30,30,32,66
Caldari,30,30,30,32,66

How will M Scout not be the best hacker is a stupid question. Might as well grab 4 hacking mods, come on, what a joke you are.

It's also largely useless in Ambush, and when you aren't hacking or when objectives aren't requiring attention. If you plan on just running around to each cannon and not engage anyone you can be effective hacker sure. Again, like he Cal it has its niche. Its racial bonus is not probably as useful as the Cal or Gal but its on par with Amarr.

Its the only class that really forces you into a specific weapon, if you don't choose it then bonus is useless again. So there far less flexibility that Amare can provide. Therefore Hacking and NK can be as "useless" as this Amarr bonus that you are so up in arms about because when you don't use the right play style or skill set any class can be sub par. So it could actually be more useless than this "disaster" you feel Amarr bonus is because you aren't using it as specified by CCP. Frankly, the 2-4 slot layout is better than the 3-3 layout on the Amarr which has to give it an advantage. If you want to be speed hacker, pick the speed hacking class, if you want to pick the eWar niche pick the Cal. Just don't complain about the Anarr not being on par build wise when clearly it matches up with Min, and can be a very very powerful suit.

It's as dumb as the race to an objective over long distances - jump in LAV.

At adv scout the min has a serious disadvantage over the other suits due to its PG. It might only be 3 or 4 lower but with the lack of a PG reduction for NK currently. since NK arent a Min weapon it could be disastrous later when NK for all races are introduced, there also a question of not using a CR, there becomes even greater PG concerns when NK are paired with a weapon. Yes, some run just IshNK but most require a sidearm (MagSec look like a great option). The CR best but outside of these using another primary isn't really a great option.

The Amarr Scout if, you have to choose it, for some reason is no worst than the Cal (very strong eWar niche) and Min Scouts. Sure the Gal has a nice Racial Bonus and 2-4 slot layout is ideal but it's not so far an away better that you need to post 15 times a day about your outrage.

The Gal being better is seen in Logi and Sents - again, the cal has a different role and in a team it can be a far superior option and far more effective in its niche skill. Is the Amarr scout a better option than any assault suit right now, with the cloak ability it most definitely is.

Post a fit.

The Amarr scout doesn't excel in ANY role, that's what the QQ is all about. The Cal scout will be excellent at hunting other scouts due to precision bonus and hit/run tactics with its excellent shield mechanics that allow for a good shield buffer that won't affect mobility.

Can we please start getting people banned for not reading the OP or any of the thread?
EDIT: Ok I have reached my quota of stupidity for the night. I don't know why idiocy pisses me off SO MUCH.