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Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 931	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:52:00 - [1] - Quote Top teir scouts like Mr. Musturd and Cody Sietz and a host of others whose names are escaping me atm are going to terrorize the battlefield. It just isn't going to be fair. Second and third tier guys like me are going to be spared a couple deaths a match. I think that those that think the cloak will make the scout role "easy" though are going to be rudely surprised. Its only 80 sec at proto level. And in general the cloak is only viable to truly dedicated scouts. Overall, good job with the cloak at least CCP. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2656	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:56:00 - [2] - Quote I like how you say its "only" 80 seconds like thats a short amount of time in a fast paced genre I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1967	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:57:00 - [3] - Quote Also you are still fairly obvious when walking. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2293	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:59:00 - [4] - Quote It means for the first few matches i'll just run around **** because they cant see me :D Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 931	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:02:00 - [5] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: I like how you say its "only" 80 seconds like thats a short amount of time in a fast paced genre TTK is going up, this game isn't that fast paced. Noob scouts are going to use the cloak to get into their target drop their cloak their first shot, maybe kill their target, maybe turn around and get killed. Decent scouts will use it more to get the heck out of a tight spot or while hacking or something. We're already used to using our enhanced battlefield awareness to sneak up on our target without a cloak. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1027	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:03:00 - [6] - Quote I think the biggest advantage is disappearing completely when you stay still. So you activate your cloak, run behind a guy, and should he have the presence of mind to check his tail, you immediately stop and become invisible. Move forward when he turns back around. Repeat until you are close enough to shank him.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7374	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:06:00 - [7] - Quote I am going to terrorize the battlefield with an uber dampened Gallente scout, along with a bud of mine. You will never see us. Even when it will be too late, you will still not see us. We will be ghosts. Prepare your anus. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1744	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:07:00 - [8] - Quote As usual, CCP likes to take the skill out of things and just let the gear to all the work. Scouting will go from a skill of being undetected and smart play, to just relying on a crutch; the cloak. With the nerfs to scanners (and thank sweet baby jebuz for that!) Scouts didn't need any more help. It was harder to be a Scout, and that's why few did it. It actually took this thing called S.K.I.L.L. That's why the Scout community is close-knit and in a class all their own. Prepare to have a influx of scrubs pretending to be a Scout after 1.8 Just like we had an influx of scrubs pretending to be tankers in 1.7 I ain't got time for dat sht!*
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 371	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:10:00 - [9] - Quote Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 933	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:12:00 - [10] - Quote 8213 wrote: As usual, CCP likes to take the skill out of things and just let the gear to all the work. Scouting will go from a skill of being undetected and smart play, to just relying on a crutch; the cloak. With the nerfs to scanners (and thank sweet baby jebuz for that!) Scouts didn't need any more help. It was harder to be a Scout, and that's why few did it. It actually took this thing called S.K.I.L.L. That's why the Scout community is close-knit and in a class all their own. Prepare to have a influx of scrubs pretending to be a Scout after 1.8 Just like we had an influx of scrubs pretending to be tankers in 1.7 I just got into scouting a couple months ago and it definitely takes smarter play and more of an SP investment. I don't know about player skill (at least in the dexterity sense) because my KDR has only gone up since I started playing scout and I am a pretty mediocre player at best. I also don't think the cloak will remove the smart play component, thus why I think many who all of a sudden go scout may be disappointed Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7376	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:12:00 - [11] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Your scout won't see my assault, even with those range amps. Gotta put a precision mod there bud Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 933	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:14:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Your scout won't see my assault, even with those range amps. Gotta put a precision mod there bud Even if he has level 5 in precision? You running profile damps on your assault Cat? Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2658	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:14:00 - [13] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I like how you say its "only" 80 seconds like thats a short amount of time in a fast paced genre TTK is going up, this game isn't that fast paced. Noob scouts are going to use the cloak to get into their target drop their cloak their first shot, maybe kill their target, maybe turn around and get killed. Decent scouts will use it more to get the heck out of a tight spot or while hacking or something. We're already used to using our enhanced battlefield awareness to sneak up on our target without a cloak. Even with ttk going up 80 seconds is a long time I mean just time yourself and see how much you can accomplish in 80 seconds I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3427	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:14:00 - [14] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Top teir scouts like Mr. Musturd and Cody Sietz and a host of others whose names are escaping me atm are going to terrorize the battlefield. It just isn't going to be fair. Second and third tier guys like me are going to be spared a couple deaths a match. I think that those that think the cloak will make the scout role "easy" though are going to be rudely surprised. Its only 80 sec at proto level. And in general the cloak is only viable to truly dedicated scouts. Overall, good job with the cloak at least CCP. We've been waiting for this for a LONG time Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1027	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:15:00 - [15] - Quote 8213 wrote: As usual, CCP likes to take the skill out of things and just let the gear to all the work. Scouting will go from a skill of being undetected and smart play, to just relying on a crutch; the cloak. With the nerfs to scanners (and thank sweet baby jebuz for that!) Scouts didn't need any more help. It was harder to be a Scout, and that's why few did it. It actually took this thing called S.K.I.L.L. That's why the Scout community is close-knit and in a class all their own. Prepare to have a influx of scrubs pretending to be a Scout after 1.8 Just like we had an influx of scrubs pretending to be tankers in 1.7 In 1.7, running a scout is a lot easier on some maps (city maps) than it is on others (open maps like Fracture Road or Manus Peak). For the former maps, I don't think cloak will make much of a difference as there is enough cover to "disappear" from enemy line of sight even without using the cloak. For the latter open maps, cloaking will allow smart scouts to get close while enemies are looking the other way, and become invisible by standing still if the enemies turn around, instead of getting shot to pieces before even closing the distance. Anyway, after getting close you'll still have to drop one or multiple enemies before they can recognize the threat and respond. Whether or not the scout can do this successfully will separate the scrubs from the pros.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7376	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:15:00 - [16] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Cat Merc wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Your scout won't see my assault, even with those range amps. Gotta put a precision mod there bud Even if he has level 5 in precision? You running profile damps on your assault Cat? Ya, hate scanners. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 933	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:16:00 - [17] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I like how you say its "only" 80 seconds like thats a short amount of time in a fast paced genre TTK is going up, this game isn't that fast paced. Noob scouts are going to use the cloak to get into their target drop their cloak their first shot, maybe kill their target, maybe turn around and get killed. Decent scouts will use it more to get the heck out of a tight spot or while hacking or something. We're already used to using our enhanced battlefield awareness to sneak up on our target without a cloak. Even with ttk going up 80 seconds is a long time I mean just time yourself and see how much you can accomplish in 80 seconds I will definitely try that Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 933	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:17:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Cat Merc wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Your scout won't see my assault, even with those range amps. Gotta put a precision mod there bud Even if he has level 5 in precision? You running profile damps on your assault Cat? Ya, hate scanners. Makes sense then, thankfully I am pretty sure you are in the minority there Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 837	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:19:00 - [19] - Quote 80 seconds is nothing when you consider: 1. Being shot deactivates the cloak. 2. Attacking deactivates the cloak. 3. You are still visible (albeit less so) when running with a cloak. 4. The only suit that can fit it will die if someone looks at it funny. Best PVE idea I've seen.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3472	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:20:00 - [20] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Top teir scouts like Mr. Musturd and Cody Sietz and a host of others whose names are escaping me atm are going to terrorize the battlefield. It just isn't going to be fair. Second and third tier guys like me are going to be spared a couple deaths a match. I think that those that think the cloak will make the scout role "easy" though are going to be rudely surprised. Its only 80 sec at proto level. And in general the cloak is only viable to truly dedicated scouts. Overall, good job with the cloak at least CCP. What's "fair" is the glorious wave of scout vengeance we will behold. No.

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3427	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:23:00 - [21] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: 80 seconds is nothing when you consider: 1. Being shot deactivates the cloak. 2. Attacking deactivates the cloak. 3. You are still visible (albeit less so) when running with a cloak. 4. The only suit that can fit it will die if someone looks at it funny. Being shot does not deactivate the cloak You will still have the VFX from being hit though Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 778	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:25:00 - [22] - Quote Good scouts will use cloaks to cross open terrain a bit safer then deactivate to save energy, and use them to escape when things go sour, I already sneek up on people without a cloak so i shouldnt need one for that most the time. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 581	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:32:00 - [23] - Quote 1.8 The rise of the minja >:D "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 371	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:34:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Your scout won't see my assault, even with those range amps. Gotta put a precision mod there bud Not if I'm camping;) Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1548	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:34:00 - [25] - Quote 8213 wrote: As usual, CCP likes to take the skill out of things and just let the gear to all the work. Scouting will go from a skill of being undetected and smart play, to just relying on a crutch; the cloak. With the nerfs to scanners (and thank sweet baby jebuz for that!) Scouts didn't need any more help. It was harder to be a Scout, and that's why few did it. It actually took this thing called S.K.I.L.L. That's why the Scout community is close-knit and in a class all their own. Prepare to have a influx of scrubs pretending to be a Scout after 1.8 Just like we had an influx of scrubs pretending to be tankers in 1.7 Yeah, but scouts have also been complaining about needing some improvement. I'd rather have speed tanking but guess CCP couldn't make that work with all the other tweaks. Here's hoping the cloak is a quick fix that will be nerfed when speed tanking get get hashed out. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 531	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:34:00 - [26] - Quote Yay for not dying in the open field to an RR from 100 m out!!! Looking for the scout hangout?
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 412	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:34:00 - [27] - Quote I don't mind the cloak, for me it's there for either emergencies or just to mess around and play with. But I ultimately prefer Speed Stealth. It's ALL ABOUT DAT SPEED! Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETP-gjGJOME
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7378	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:43:00 - [28] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: 80 seconds is nothing when you consider: 1. Being shot deactivates the cloak. 2. Attacking deactivates the cloak. 3. You are still visible (albeit less so) when running with a cloak. 4. The only suit that can fit it will die if someone looks at it funny. It doesn't deactivate when shot. It only makes the effects of being shot appear, if you can survive the encounter you will stay cloaked. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
negative49er Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 545	Posted - 2014.03.14 21:25:00 - [29] - Quote Scout Here: I'll be ok without cloak i might put a few level into the skill, but i may not run it at all. But the extra Cpu/pg as well as the second equipment slot is much appreciated Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 939	Posted - 2014.03.14 21:54:00 - [30] - Quote negative49er wrote: Scout Here: I'll be ok without cloak i might put a few level into the skill, but i may not run it at all. But the extra Cpu/pg as well as the second equipment slot is much appreciated Yeah I think I'm going to skill to level 3 run the advanced a bit on some of my suits and then evaluate its usefulness Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 104	Posted - 2014.03.14 22:01:00 - [31] - Quote negative49er wrote: Scout Here: I'll be ok without cloak i might put a few level into the skill, but i may not run it at all. But the extra Cpu/pg as well as the second equipment slot is much appreciated Ditto. The cloak is nifty, but it'll probably serve a similar roll the to cloak in EVE--mostly intel gathering and getting through certain points unnoticed, which, if you're doing it right as a scout, really isn't too hard anyway. Cloak advantages: you're invisible while standing still (why are you standing still!?! MOVE!); you're slightly less visible than normal when running (ah, that's better). Cloak disadvantages: Takes up an equipment slot; requires a ton of PG/CPU (yes, I know scout suits get a 15%/level bonus, but that still makes cloaks barely viable until you get 3 levels into a scout suit, and even then it's tight IMO); takes a long time to cool down; can easily be deactivated on accident by swapping to a weapon or throwing a grenade (I've unintentionally thrown grenades a number of times by accidentally, lightly, pressing L2--anyone else?); still exposed by reticle (decreasing its usefulness in CQC situations, especially if you're moving, and again--why are you standing still!?!); not too useful as a means of covering your @$$ when hacking an objective ("Gee whiz--the objective's being hacked but I don't see anyone there! Derpa derp. Guess I'll keep moving..."). I dunno--I think the passive electronics scan/profile skills are way more valuable. I am really skeptical that this will be a game changer in any way. I look forward to finding out, one way or the other! My other dropsuit is a Python.
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 508	Posted - 2014.03.14 22:05:00 - [32] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: I think the biggest advantage is disappearing completely when you stay still. So you activate your cloak, run behind a guy, and should he have the presence of mind to check his tail, you immediately stop and become invisible. Move forward when he turns back around. Repeat until you are close enough to shank him. Unfortunately, that won't work in practice as they're more than likely to spot you before you can react and stop. We want cake and tea.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 941	Posted - 2014.03.14 22:27:00 - [33] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: I dunno--I think the passive electronics scan/profile skills are way more valuable. I am really skeptical that this will be a game changer in any way. I look forward to finding out, one way or the other! You are exactly right which is why anyone who thinks they can just flip into scout because of buffs and cloak without those skills is going to be a very surprised and very sad panda. Passive electronics skills and half a brain are all it takes to be a decent scout (thats where I would rank myself, decent). People with those things and good FPS skills are the elite scouts. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 44	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:13:00 - [34] - Quote yeah its pretty balanced IMO. it just needs lower fitting reqs because all scouts that didn't get a PG buff (ninja) are getting screwed over. All the proto fits that i can run now will not be accessible even with a basic cloak Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 945	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:15:00 - [35] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: yeah its pretty balanced IMO. it just needs lower fitting reqs because all scouts that didn't get a PG buff (ninja) are getting screwed over. All the proto fits that i can run now will not be accessible even with a basic cloak Are you calculating your fitting costs at 25% of what is in the table? And aren't all the scouts getting CPU/PG buffed. I know Gallente is getting a big one Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 469	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:17:00 - [36] - Quote It seems like cloaking from PS2. You are only invisible if you are standing still, if you are moving around you will be spotted, and being unable to fight back is a huge disadvantage to the cloak while it is active. People just have to make sure they are aweare of their surroundings.
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1045	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:21:00 - [37] - Quote I think that the basic will be good enough for me (Testing is required obviously) to hack an objective, cloak, and GTFO without being spotted when there are a group of enemies around. That's a pretty faint light blue outline at full sprint, and most of these players right now are so heavily reliant on their scanners to see for them that I bet 30 sec is going to be more than enough time to get to a new location in a city, or cross open terrain in the larger maps. A lot can happen in 30 sec. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? --. . - + ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -..
Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 333	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:25:00 - [38] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: I think the biggest advantage is disappearing completely when you stay still. So you activate your cloak, run behind a guy, and should he have the presence of mind to check his tail, you immediately stop and become invisible. Move forward when he turns back around. Repeat until you are close enough to shank him. Unfortunately, that won't work in practice as they're more than likely to spot you before you can react and stop. I think if I'm able to realise the red dot is turning around in time to get to cover, I'm pretty sure ill be able to effectively just stop moving if no cover is available. I took Sana as meaning when trying to get into say shotgun range of a target that isn't aware of you specifically, but is just trying to scope out and random threats from elsewhere. Especially if they are trying to get LOS on a target elsewhere, the brief shimmer may or may not be noticed by them. Same with the red cursor... I can almost imagine some players getting spooked out by their own shadow if this tactic has caught them out often enough... The Ghost of Bravo
Cyrius Li-Moody 3983	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:39:00 - [39] - Quote I really only see the cloak increasing my effectiveness in hectic fights as far as combat effectiveness goes. Pop in, kill a guy, duck behind cover, cloak up.... Crouch walk somewhere else...? The shimmer discourages quick aggressive tactics while also requiring a 50% fire you're going to want to keep the last half of your cloak as an emergency reserve. The first half you'll have to manage intelligently, firing it only when you need to. I think it will reward the patient player who picks and chooses his targets more so than the run and gun player. Also, unless the sprint bug gets handled, using it in a fast paced fight will be incredibly dangerous. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 945	Posted - 2014.03.14 23:50:00 - [40] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I really only see the cloak increasing my effectiveness in hectic fights as far as combat effectiveness goes. Pop in, kill a guy, duck behind cover, cloak up.... Crouch walk somewhere else...? The shimmer discourages quick aggressive tactics while also requiring a 50% fire you're going to want to keep the last half of your cloak as an emergency reserve. The first half you'll have to manage intelligently, firing it only when you need to. I think it will reward the patient player who picks and chooses his targets more so than the run and gun player. Also, unless the sprint bug gets handled, using it in a fast paced fight will be incredibly dangerous. Very much how I planned to use it too. I'm not nearly as good a scout as you Cyrius so most hectic gunfights end up with me dying, maybe the cloak will get me out with some HP left so I can regroup and reattack from the back. But I may also wind up finding out its not as useful as a nanohive for replenishing my REs. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 476	Posted - 2014.03.15 00:00:00 - [41] - Quote I do see snipers using it more often now, its hard as hell to countersnipe someone who disapears after every shot. PS2 you are trained to do this, if you don't you get nailed.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 283	Posted - 2014.03.15 04:00:00 - [42] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I am going to terrorize the battlefield with an uber dampened Gallente scout, along with a bud of mine. You will never see us. Even when it will be too late, you will still not see us. We will be ghosts. Prepare your anus. GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉGûêGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûäGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûäGûêGûôGûêGûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉGûêGûêGûäGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûäGûôGûæGûæGûôGûôGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉGûêGûæGûêGûêGûôGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûôGûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉGûêGûîGûæGûôGûêGûêGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûêGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûôGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûîGûæGûæGûôGûêGûäGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûäGûêGûêGûêGûôGûæGûôGûêGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûêGûîGûæGûôGûêGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûôGûêGûæGûôGûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûôGûêGûêGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûêGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûôGûêGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉGûêGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûôGûæGûæGûôGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûôGûêGûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûîGûæGûôGûêGûôGûôGûêGûêGûôGûæGûêGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûæGûôGûêGûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûôGûæGûôGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûôGûæGûôGûêGûêGûêGûôGûôGûîGûæGûêGûôGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉGûôGûôGûæGûêGûäGûÉGûôGûîGûêGûôGûæGûæGûôGûêGûÉGûôGûîGûäGûôGûæGûêGûêGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûôGûæGûôGûêGûäGûäGûäGûêGûôGûæGûæGûôGûêGûäGûäGûäGûêGûôGûæGûêGûêGûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûîGûæGûôGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûôGûæGûæGûæGûôGûêGûêGûêGûôGûÇGûæGûôGûêGûôGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉGûôGûêGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûôGûêGûêGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGöÇGûÇGûôGûÇGûæGûæGûôGûêGûôGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûäGûäGûäGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûôGûôGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûîGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÉGûîGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûôGûôGûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûäGûÇGûÇGûÇGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûôGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGûÉGûêGûîGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûôGûîGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûêGûôGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGûôGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûôGûêGûôGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGûêGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûôGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGûêGûîGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûÉGûôGûîGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGûÉGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûôGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGûêGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûôGûôGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGûêGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûôGûôGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGòöGòÉGòÉGòùGûêGûêGûêGûêGòöGòùGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGòæGòöGòÉGò¼GòÉGòªGòÉGòªGò¥GòæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGòæGòÜGòùGòæGò¼GòæGò¼GòæGò¼GòæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGöÇGûÉ GûîGöÇGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGòÜGòÉGòÉGò¬GòÉGò¬GòÉGò¬GòÉGò¥GûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGöÇGûÉ (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1087	Posted - 2014.03.15 04:45:00 - [43] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I really only see the cloak increasing my effectiveness in hectic fights as far as combat effectiveness goes. Pop in, kill a guy, duck behind cover, cloak up.... Crouch walk somewhere else...? The shimmer discourages quick aggressive tactics while also requiring a 50% fire you're going to want to keep the last half of your cloak as an emergency reserve. The first half you'll have to manage intelligently, firing it only when you need to. I think it will reward the patient player who picks and chooses his targets more so than the run and gun player. Also, unless the sprint bug gets handled, using it in a fast paced fight will be incredibly dangerous. I'm really looking forward to your 1.8 videos. You should definitely do one on cloaking. Best PvE idea ever!
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 267	Posted - 2014.03.15 04:47:00 - [44] - Quote aaaah the cal scout will be my perfect fit to hunt scrubs that will try to get into scouts, and its gonna be fun that prey will finally be afraid of us, fear is a strong weapon We speak the Dragon's language of flame and rage. Together we shall weave a tale of destruction without equal...
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1800	Posted - 2014.03.15 05:24:00 - [45] - Quote In the equipment dev blog you can see in the frame where the scout is motionless there is still a 'refractive distortion' like the heated air above hot pavement. Depending on what's behind the scout and whoever is looking for him and the range, i'm guessing they will be reasonably spottable to the observant. Also that blue shimmer is pretty easy to spot, again depending on the background. The biggest advantage imo is that chevrons/health bars will not display. These are good things and will prolly go a long way towards bringing balance to the cloak. P.S. Dreaming of that first cloakdance/knife fight with an enemy scout at a null cannon terminal, where we duel to the death for first hack while our teams start to filter into the base - glorius =) I support SP rollover.
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 326	Posted - 2014.03.15 13:19:00 - [46] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: In the equipment dev blog you can see in the frame where the scout is motionless there is still a 'refractive distortion' like the heated air above hot pavement. Depending on what's behind the scout and whoever is looking for him and the range, i'm guessing they will be reasonably spottable to the observant. Also that blue shimmer is pretty easy to spot, again depending on the background. The biggest advantage imo is that chevrons/health bars will not display. These are good things and will prolly go a long way towards bringing balance to the cloak. P.S. Dreaming of that first cloakdance/knife fight with an enemy scout at a null cannon terminal, where we duel to the death for first hack while our teams start to filter into the base - glorius =) i don't see a distortion in the 3rd person view only the first person and i think thats just so you don't get confused yourself I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 405	Posted - 2014.03.15 13:26:00 - [47] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I like how you say its "only" 80 seconds like thats a short amount of time in a fast paced genre TTK is going up, this game isn't that fast paced. Noob scouts are going to use the cloak to get into their target drop their cloak their first shot, maybe kill their target, maybe turn around and get killed. Decent scouts will use it more to get the heck out of a tight spot or while hacking or something. We're already used to using our enhanced battlefield awareness to sneak up on our target without a cloak. Could not say it better my self. I don't know how many times the area just gets swamped with reds and you need to pull out but with al the RR and CR that can be a problem. It will be AWSOME to hit cloak and retreat/flank on top of that the heavies in laws...they jump out I hit cloak and turn the thing on them. Regards War never changes
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 111	Posted - 2014.03.17 17:12:00 - [48] - Quote Phazoid wrote: aaaah the cal scout will be my perfect fit to hunt scrubs that will try to get into scouts, and its gonna be fun that prey will finally be afraid of us, fear is a strong weapon Just be wary of the Gallente scout. Here are some numbers (remember that precision enhancers and profile dampeners don't receive stacking penalties). Gallente Scout info Scan profile numbers: Base of 35db * .75 (25% bonus from skilling to 5) = 26.25db * .75 (25% bonus from 1 complex damp) = 19.69db * .75 (25% bonus from 2 complex damps) = 14.77db * .75 (25% bonus from 3 complex damps = 11.08db * .75 (25% bonus from 4 complex damps) = 8.31 Scan precision numbers: Base of 40db * .8 (20% bonus from 1 complex profile enhancer) = 32db * .8 (second complex profile enhancer) = 25.6db. Caldari Scout info Scan profile numbers: Base of 35db * .75 (25% bonus from 1 complex damp) = 26.25db * .75 (second complex damp) = 19.69db Scan precision numbers: Base of 40db * .75 (25% bonus from skilling to 5) = 30db * .8 (20% bonus from 1 complex enhancer) = 24db * .8 (20% bonus from 2 complex enhancers) = 19.2db * .8 (20% bonus from 3 complex enhancers) = 15.36 * .8 (20% bonus from 4 complex enhancers) = 12.88db. Assuming level 5 skills, with just one complex damp, the Gallente suit is hidden from the best active scanner (scan precision 20db, unless used by a Gallente logi, then it's 15db, and can be trumped with an extra complex damp). Again, assuming level 5 skills, the Caldari suit's passive scan bonus isn't enough to pickup a Gallente scout if it has 3 complex damps fitted. So, 3 complex damps = complete radar invisibility for the Gallente suit, since a scan profile of 11.08db < a scan precision of 12.88db (the max possible scan precision in the game). If a Caldari scout fits two complex damps, it's invisible to the best passive detection a Gallente scout can offer, but it might be susceptible to the Duvolle Focused AS (the one with 20db precision; I say might because the stats in the dev charts might be rounded). What it's looking like to me is that a correctly fitted Gallente scout has radar invisibility to everything and will only really have trouble passively scanning out Caldari scouts with 2 complex damps fitted, while a correctly fit Caldari scout can easily scan out other Caldari scouts and somewhat/sometimes fly under the radar of a Gallente scout. Considering the extra equipment slot, Caldari scouts will be able to obtain the Gallente's radar omni-invisibility through the use of a cloak (19.69db * .75 (25% scan profile reduction while cloaked) = 14.77, ie, a Gallente with 2 complex damps ), and the Gallente scout will likely be able to scan out uncloaked Caldari scouts with Duvolle Focused AS, and still be able to carry uplinks, etc. Sorta levels the playing field, I suppose. But, I'm really skeptical about the cloak--I'm betting it's going to be pretty lame (semi/sometimes invisibility, long cool down, huge CPU/PG requirements, even with bonus, obvious cloaking animation, etc.). And since it's required for Caldari scout to acquire radar invisibility, I'm sticking with Gallente. It seems to me that the Caldari scout will become a living, breathing, always-on active scanner (just bolting around the map cloaked with max skills and equipment, it'll pickup everything except those damned Gallente scouts), while the Gallente scout will retain its role as covert room clearer/objective lock-down. My other dropsuit is a Python.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 752	Posted - 2014.03.17 17:28:00 - [49] - Quote 8213 wrote: As usual, CCP likes to take the skill out of things and just let the gear to all the work. Scouting will go from a skill of being undetected and smart play, to just relying on a crutch; the cloak. With the nerfs to scanners (and thank sweet baby jebuz for that!) Scouts didn't need any more help. It was harder to be a Scout, and that's why few did it. It actually took this thing called S.K.I.L.L. That's why the Scout community is close-knit and in a class all their own. Prepare to have a influx of scrubs pretending to be a Scout after 1.8 Just like we had an influx of scrubs pretending to be tankers in 1.7 Well I guess that won't last long the cloak isn't all that great, especially for attacking. The cloak will work for those who are already trained in beeing sneaky. All the other will shortly realize that cloaks don't grant an easy drop to skilled players. Cloaks are very restrictive and If you are aware of your surroundings you will discover scouts fast it will take some time to get used to this but the smart players will apedt the stupid ones will die. Its the same with RE's on HAV or jihad jeeps, the first few weeks this worked wonderfull but then smart pilots tarted to pay attention and by now only bad pilots or eavily distracted pilots fall to that tactic
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 566	Posted - 2014.03.17 17:53:00 - [50] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: Phazoid wrote: aaaah the cal scout will be my perfect fit to hunt scrubs that will try to get into scouts, and its gonna be fun that prey will finally be afraid of us, fear is a strong weapon Just be wary of the Gallente scout. Here are some numbers (remember that precision enhancers and profile dampeners don't receive stacking penalties). Are you sure about that? Where did you hear that those mods dont receive stacking penalties?

Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 644	Posted - 2014.03.17 18:06:00 - [51] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: Phazoid wrote: aaaah the cal scout will be my perfect fit to hunt scrubs that will try to get into scouts, and its gonna be fun that prey will finally be afraid of us, fear is a strong weapon Just be wary of the Gallente scout. Here are some numbers (remember that precision enhancers and profile dampeners don't receive stacking penalties). Are you sure about that? Where did you hear that those mods dont receive stacking penalties? Also Quote: a scan profile of 11.08db < a scan precision of 12.88db (the max possible scan precision in the game). Are we sure on this too? I know profile rounds up, so that 11.08 is actually a 12. I do not know if precision rounds up or down or at all. But if precision rounded down, than 12.88db=12 and 11.08=12 and 12=12 so the scan would pick up the scout. Obviously I would think precision would round up as well, so it would be 13 and 12, and the scan would fail. Just dont know for sure Profile dampeners definitely have stacking penalties. The mic bubble bug... I yield, CCP will be fixing it SOON. Current ETA 1 year since bug
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 113	Posted - 2014.03.17 20:40:00 - [52] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: Phazoid wrote: aaaah the cal scout will be my perfect fit to hunt scrubs that will try to get into scouts, and its gonna be fun that prey will finally be afraid of us, fear is a strong weapon Just be wary of the Gallente scout. Here are some numbers (remember that precision enhancers and profile dampeners don't receive stacking penalties). Are you sure about that? Where did you hear that those mods dont receive stacking penalties? Also Quote: a scan profile of 11.08db < a scan precision of 12.88db (the max possible scan precision in the game). Are we sure on this too? I know profile rounds up, so that 11.08 is actually a 12. I do not know if precision rounds up or down or at all. But if precision rounded down, than 12.88db=12 and 11.08=12 and 12=12 so the scan would pick up the scout. Obviously I would think precision would round up as well, so it would be 13 and 12, and the scan would fail. Just dont know for sure Hey, Bones, good points. I just assumed, re: stacking penalties, since the description doesn't mention anything, the way it does for damage mods, vehicle armor/shield hardeners, etc., but I could be mistaken. Either way, if they do receive the stacking penalty, it would be calculated the same for each item, so the ratios (ie, x number of precision enhancers vs. x number of profile damps) should remain unchanged. Thanks for the explanation of how scan profile rounds up--I had no idea. I would be surprised if it worked differently for precision, but who knows? Assuming they both round up, then the uncloaked Caldari scout is definitely getting picked up by the Duvolle Focused AS! Gallente FTW! My other dropsuit is a Python.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1065	Posted - 2014.03.17 20:47:00 - [53] - Quote Waiting to see how cloaks affect aim assist, little point to the cloak if AA locks onto a cloaked person still. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7437	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:24:00 - [54] - Quote I can actually see 3 practical uses for the 3 tiers of the cloaking equipment. 1.8 Cloak Stats Standard Cloak Field This has a duration of 30 seconds with a 20-sec-from-empty recharge time. With its low duration but fast downtime, this tier will be best suited for those scouts who know how to take full advantage of every bit of cover that a city like the Gallente Researcher Facility, Orbital Artillery Outpost, Biomass Facility, and Communication Outpost has to offer. A city-dwelling scout won't need any of the long cloak times to hide if there is plenty of cover already there. Also, the short downtime is useful for when you want to cloak, get in and out and then re-cloak as soon as possible if you get chased. Advanced ARN-18 Cloak Field This has a duration of 60 seconds (a whole minute) with a 30-sec-from-empty recharge time. With its moderate duration and moderate downtime, this tier will be useful for when you need to cross large open spaces with minimal exposure so you can get from one major structure to another with relative safety. This will likely be favored by expert hackers who often have to cross wide open spaces to get to the objectives. Prototype Ishukone Cloak Field This has a duration of 80 seconds (1 minute 20 seconds) with a 40-sec-from-empty recharge time. This will likely be the go-to cloak for when you're a scout and the map you're in happens to be something like Line Harvest or Manus Peak where you have little to no cover and the cloak happens to be your only salvation. What little cover is available will only be used for taking a rest while your stamina and cloak replenish. This also means you'll have to pick your battles far more often than usual. That said, as soon as you decloak to engage you better make sure you kill your target and hope there is enough confusion going around to safely get away. This will also be useful for when you have to hunt those pesky snipers. This almost seems like a preemptive tieracide from the looks of it. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1582	Posted - 2014.03.17 21:40:00 - [55] - Quote I don't think scouts will stop being hardmode. GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 108	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:38:00 - [56] - Quote was reading this and was thinking good scouts dont really need a cloak, they just got a fitting increase, another high or low slot and an extra eq slot... woot
Tailss Prower 501ST JFW StrikerZ Unit 192	Posted - 2014.03.17 22:42:00 - [57] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: I think the biggest advantage is disappearing completely when you stay still. So you activate your cloak, run behind a guy, and should he have the presence of mind to check his tail, you immediately stop and become invisible. Move forward when he turns back around. Repeat until you are close enough to shank him. You do understand his reticule will still turn red if its on you so i wouldn't be so confident
gravalicious On The Brink CRONOS. 100	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:19:00 - [58] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: Phazoid wrote: aaaah the cal scout will be my perfect fit to hunt scrubs that will try to get into scouts, and its gonna be fun that prey will finally be afraid of us, fear is a strong weapon Just be wary of the Gallente scout. Here are some numbers (remember that precision enhancers and profile dampeners don't receive stacking penalties). Gallente Scout info Scan profile numbers: Base of 35db * .75 (25% bonus from skilling to 5) = 26.25db * .75 (25% bonus from 1 complex damp) = 19.69db * .75 (25% bonus from 2 complex damps) = 14.77db * .75 (25% bonus from 3 complex damps = 11.08db * .75 (25% bonus from 4 complex damps) = 8.31 Scan precision numbers: Base of 40db * .8 (20% bonus from 1 complex profile enhancer) = 32db * .8 (second complex profile enhancer) = 25.6db. Caldari Scout info Scan profile numbers: Base of 35db * .75 (25% bonus from 1 complex damp) = 26.25db * .75 (second complex damp) = 19.69db Scan precision numbers: Base of 40db * .75 (25% bonus from skilling to 5) = 30db * .8 (20% bonus from 1 complex enhancer) = 24db * .8 (20% bonus from 2 complex enhancers) = 19.2db * .8 (20% bonus from 3 complex enhancers) = 15.36 * .8 (20% bonus from 4 complex enhancers) = 12.88db. Assuming level 5 skills, with just one complex damp, the Gallente suit is hidden from the best active scanner (scan precision 20db, unless used by a Gallente logi, then it's 15db, and can be trumped with an extra complex damp). Again, assuming level 5 skills, the Caldari suit's passive scan bonus isn't enough to pickup a Gallente scout if it has 3 complex damps fitted. So, 3 complex damps = complete radar invisibility for the Gallente suit, since a scan profile of 11.08db < a scan precision of 12.88db (the max possible scan precision in the game). If a Caldari scout fits two complex damps, it's invisible to the best passive detection a Gallente scout can offer, but it might be susceptible to the Duvolle Focused AS (the one with 20db precision; I say might because the stats in the dev charts might be rounded). What it's looking like to me is that a correctly fitted Gallente scout has radar invisibility to everything and will only really have trouble passively scanning out Caldari scouts with 2 complex damps fitted, while a correctly fit Caldari scout can easily scan out other Caldari scouts and somewhat/sometimes fly under the radar of a Gallente scout. Considering the extra equipment slot, Caldari scouts will be able to obtain the Gallente's radar omni-invisibility through the use of a cloak (19.69db * .75 (25% scan profile reduction while cloaked) = 14.77, ie, a Gallente with 2 complex damps ), and the Gallente scout will likely be able to scan out uncloaked Caldari scouts with Duvolle Focused AS, and still be able to carry uplinks, etc. Sorta levels the playing field, I suppose. But, I'm really skeptical about the cloak--I'm betting it's going to be pretty lame (semi/sometimes invisibility, long cool down, huge CPU/PG requirements, even with bonus, obvious cloaking animation, etc.). And since it's required for Caldari scout to acquire radar invisibility, I'm sticking with Gallente. It seems to me that the Caldari scout will become a living, breathing, always-on active scanner (just bolting around the map cloaked with max skills and equipment, it'll pickup everything except those damned Gallente scouts), while the Gallente scout will retain its role as covert room clearer/objective lock-down. Hello good sir. You're forgetting the 10% bonus received from the Precision skill itself when you're calculating the precision amount. You're also forgetting the 10% bonus from the Dampener skill itself.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 235	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:21:00 - [59] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Top teir scouts like Mr. Musturd and Cody Sietz and a host of others whose names are escaping me atm are going to terrorize the battlefield. It just isn't going to be fair. Second and third tier guys like me are going to be spared a couple deaths a match. I think that those that think the cloak will make the scout role "easy" though are going to be rudely surprised. Its only 80 sec at proto level. And in general the cloak is only viable to truly dedicated scouts. Overall, good job with the cloak at least CCP. Top tier scouts don't need cloaks. We can pickle that.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 235	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:23:00 - [60] - Quote cloaks eat up CPU and PG. We can pickle that.

jerrmy12 kahoalii 531	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:24:00 - [61] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Top teir scouts like Mr. Musturd and Cody Sietz and a host of others whose names are escaping me atm are going to terrorize the battlefield. It just isn't going to be fair. Second and third tier guys like me are going to be spared a couple deaths a match. I think that those that think the cloak will make the scout role "easy" though are going to be rudely surprised. Its only 80 sec at proto level. And in general the cloak is only viable to truly dedicated scouts. Overall, good job with the cloak at least CCP. Top tier scouts don't need cloaks. "top tier" Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout. Dark souls 2 new game plus.
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 521	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:31:00 - [62] - Quote i probably wont be using cloaks much. Just a dampened matari scout. I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Dheez Kinsho Swords Caldari State 86	Posted - 2014.03.18 02:33:00 - [63] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I am going to terrorize the battlefield with an uber dampened Gallente scout, along with a bud of mine. You will never see us. Even when it will be too late, you will still not see us. We will be ghosts. Prepare your anus. Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak Astro Glide Pucker upGÇª
Temias Mercurial ANGEL FLEET 15	Posted - 2014.03.18 23:14:00 - [64] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: cloaks eat up CPU and PG. Any scout with level 5 in Scout Command will recieve a 75% reduction to both cpu and pg. Cloaks will have nearly the same requirements as a weapon. Nothing too expensive.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 276	Posted - 2014.03.18 23:16:00 - [65] - Quote you guys didnt hear? they're making all maps have blue volcanic ash so every two seconds you're hallucinating a cloaked guy bamboo x (Heavy Machine Gun) you bamboo x ('Toxin' Assault Rifle) you bamboo x (Charge Sniper Rifle) you
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 235	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:03:00 - [66] - Quote You'll need to be a sound wh0re post 1.8. I have my sound being split through optical as 5.1, eventually it goes to my sound card from my 5.1 decoder- a very very good sound card in my PC, I then boost my mids so footsteps are louder, then I have that sound go to my AMP which then goes to my Good brand Headphones (You want something German basically- Beyerdynamic, Senheisser, etc). Only way I can't hear you is if I'm stupid enough to stay too close to equipment, or if I move too much on my own that I drown myself in my own footsteps. I survived COD wannabe Solid Snakes with their "Ninja Pro" perks (quiet footsteps), and I can survive this in Dust.
Grave Oblivion 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 20	Posted - 2014.03.19 02:23:00 - [67] - Quote Will you guys just go on profits.com and make scout fits to see how it will actually fit on the suit. And the isk cost of said suit. most of the scouts that want to have kincats will take a big pg hit as scouts. especially my min-scout its like cpp doesn't want mim-scout to be the fastest.


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