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Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 931	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:52:00 - [1] - Quote Top teir scouts like Mr. Musturd and Cody Sietz and a host of others whose names are escaping me atm are going to terrorize the battlefield. It just isn't going to be fair. Second and third tier guys like me are going to be spared a couple deaths a match. I think that those that think the cloak will make the scout role "easy" though are going to be rudely surprised. Its only 80 sec at proto level. And in general the cloak is only viable to truly dedicated scouts. Overall, good job with the cloak at least CCP. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2656	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:56:00 - [2] - Quote I like how you say its "only" 80 seconds like thats a short amount of time in a fast paced genre I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1967	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:57:00 - [3] - Quote Also you are still fairly obvious when walking. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2293	Posted - 2014.03.14 19:59:00 - [4] - Quote It means for the first few matches i'll just run around **** because they cant see me :D Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 931	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:02:00 - [5] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: I like how you say its "only" 80 seconds like thats a short amount of time in a fast paced genre TTK is going up, this game isn't that fast paced. Noob scouts are going to use the cloak to get into their target drop their cloak their first shot, maybe kill their target, maybe turn around and get killed. Decent scouts will use it more to get the heck out of a tight spot or while hacking or something. We're already used to using our enhanced battlefield awareness to sneak up on our target without a cloak. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1027	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:03:00 - [6] - Quote I think the biggest advantage is disappearing completely when you stay still. So you activate your cloak, run behind a guy, and should he have the presence of mind to check his tail, you immediately stop and become invisible. Move forward when he turns back around. Repeat until you are close enough to shank him.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7374	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:06:00 - [7] - Quote I am going to terrorize the battlefield with an uber dampened Gallente scout, along with a bud of mine. You will never see us. Even when it will be too late, you will still not see us. We will be ghosts. Prepare your anus. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1744	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:07:00 - [8] - Quote As usual, CCP likes to take the skill out of things and just let the gear to all the work. Scouting will go from a skill of being undetected and smart play, to just relying on a crutch; the cloak. With the nerfs to scanners (and thank sweet baby jebuz for that!) Scouts didn't need any more help. It was harder to be a Scout, and that's why few did it. It actually took this thing called S.K.I.L.L. That's why the Scout community is close-knit and in a class all their own. Prepare to have a influx of scrubs pretending to be a Scout after 1.8 Just like we had an influx of scrubs pretending to be tankers in 1.7 I ain't got time for dat sht!*
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 371	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:10:00 - [9] - Quote Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 933	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:12:00 - [10] - Quote 8213 wrote: As usual, CCP likes to take the skill out of things and just let the gear to all the work. Scouting will go from a skill of being undetected and smart play, to just relying on a crutch; the cloak. With the nerfs to scanners (and thank sweet baby jebuz for that!) Scouts didn't need any more help. It was harder to be a Scout, and that's why few did it. It actually took this thing called S.K.I.L.L. That's why the Scout community is close-knit and in a class all their own. Prepare to have a influx of scrubs pretending to be a Scout after 1.8 Just like we had an influx of scrubs pretending to be tankers in 1.7 I just got into scouting a couple months ago and it definitely takes smarter play and more of an SP investment. I don't know about player skill (at least in the dexterity sense) because my KDR has only gone up since I started playing scout and I am a pretty mediocre player at best. I also don't think the cloak will remove the smart play component, thus why I think many who all of a sudden go scout may be disappointed Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7376	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:12:00 - [11] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Your scout won't see my assault, even with those range amps. Gotta put a precision mod there bud Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 933	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:14:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Your scout won't see my assault, even with those range amps. Gotta put a precision mod there bud Even if he has level 5 in precision? You running profile damps on your assault Cat? Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2658	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:14:00 - [13] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I like how you say its "only" 80 seconds like thats a short amount of time in a fast paced genre TTK is going up, this game isn't that fast paced. Noob scouts are going to use the cloak to get into their target drop their cloak their first shot, maybe kill their target, maybe turn around and get killed. Decent scouts will use it more to get the heck out of a tight spot or while hacking or something. We're already used to using our enhanced battlefield awareness to sneak up on our target without a cloak. Even with ttk going up 80 seconds is a long time I mean just time yourself and see how much you can accomplish in 80 seconds I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3427	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:14:00 - [14] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Top teir scouts like Mr. Musturd and Cody Sietz and a host of others whose names are escaping me atm are going to terrorize the battlefield. It just isn't going to be fair. Second and third tier guys like me are going to be spared a couple deaths a match. I think that those that think the cloak will make the scout role "easy" though are going to be rudely surprised. Its only 80 sec at proto level. And in general the cloak is only viable to truly dedicated scouts. Overall, good job with the cloak at least CCP. We've been waiting for this for a LONG time Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1027	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:15:00 - [15] - Quote 8213 wrote: As usual, CCP likes to take the skill out of things and just let the gear to all the work. Scouting will go from a skill of being undetected and smart play, to just relying on a crutch; the cloak. With the nerfs to scanners (and thank sweet baby jebuz for that!) Scouts didn't need any more help. It was harder to be a Scout, and that's why few did it. It actually took this thing called S.K.I.L.L. That's why the Scout community is close-knit and in a class all their own. Prepare to have a influx of scrubs pretending to be a Scout after 1.8 Just like we had an influx of scrubs pretending to be tankers in 1.7 In 1.7, running a scout is a lot easier on some maps (city maps) than it is on others (open maps like Fracture Road or Manus Peak). For the former maps, I don't think cloak will make much of a difference as there is enough cover to "disappear" from enemy line of sight even without using the cloak. For the latter open maps, cloaking will allow smart scouts to get close while enemies are looking the other way, and become invisible by standing still if the enemies turn around, instead of getting shot to pieces before even closing the distance. Anyway, after getting close you'll still have to drop one or multiple enemies before they can recognize the threat and respond. Whether or not the scout can do this successfully will separate the scrubs from the pros.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7376	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:15:00 - [16] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Cat Merc wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Your scout won't see my assault, even with those range amps. Gotta put a precision mod there bud Even if he has level 5 in precision? You running profile damps on your assault Cat? Ya, hate scanners. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 933	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:16:00 - [17] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I like how you say its "only" 80 seconds like thats a short amount of time in a fast paced genre TTK is going up, this game isn't that fast paced. Noob scouts are going to use the cloak to get into their target drop their cloak their first shot, maybe kill their target, maybe turn around and get killed. Decent scouts will use it more to get the heck out of a tight spot or while hacking or something. We're already used to using our enhanced battlefield awareness to sneak up on our target without a cloak. Even with ttk going up 80 seconds is a long time I mean just time yourself and see how much you can accomplish in 80 seconds I will definitely try that Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 933	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:17:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Cat Merc wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Your scout won't see my assault, even with those range amps. Gotta put a precision mod there bud Even if he has level 5 in precision? You running profile damps on your assault Cat? Ya, hate scanners. Makes sense then, thankfully I am pretty sure you are in the minority there Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 837	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:19:00 - [19] - Quote 80 seconds is nothing when you consider: 1. Being shot deactivates the cloak. 2. Attacking deactivates the cloak. 3. You are still visible (albeit less so) when running with a cloak. 4. The only suit that can fit it will die if someone looks at it funny. Best PVE idea I've seen.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3472	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:20:00 - [20] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Top teir scouts like Mr. Musturd and Cody Sietz and a host of others whose names are escaping me atm are going to terrorize the battlefield. It just isn't going to be fair. Second and third tier guys like me are going to be spared a couple deaths a match. I think that those that think the cloak will make the scout role "easy" though are going to be rudely surprised. Its only 80 sec at proto level. And in general the cloak is only viable to truly dedicated scouts. Overall, good job with the cloak at least CCP. What's "fair" is the glorious wave of scout vengeance we will behold. No.

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3427	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:23:00 - [21] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: 80 seconds is nothing when you consider: 1. Being shot deactivates the cloak. 2. Attacking deactivates the cloak. 3. You are still visible (albeit less so) when running with a cloak. 4. The only suit that can fit it will die if someone looks at it funny. Being shot does not deactivate the cloak You will still have the VFX from being hit though Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 778	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:25:00 - [22] - Quote Good scouts will use cloaks to cross open terrain a bit safer then deactivate to save energy, and use them to escape when things go sour, I already sneek up on people without a cloak so i shouldnt need one for that most the time. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 581	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:32:00 - [23] - Quote 1.8 The rise of the minja >:D "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 371	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:34:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Proto gal scout Nk 2x complex side damage Magsec Pd 2complex range Kincat Remotes Cloak All I gotta say Your scout won't see my assault, even with those range amps. Gotta put a precision mod there bud Not if I'm camping;) Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1548	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:34:00 - [25] - Quote 8213 wrote: As usual, CCP likes to take the skill out of things and just let the gear to all the work. Scouting will go from a skill of being undetected and smart play, to just relying on a crutch; the cloak. With the nerfs to scanners (and thank sweet baby jebuz for that!) Scouts didn't need any more help. It was harder to be a Scout, and that's why few did it. It actually took this thing called S.K.I.L.L. That's why the Scout community is close-knit and in a class all their own. Prepare to have a influx of scrubs pretending to be a Scout after 1.8 Just like we had an influx of scrubs pretending to be tankers in 1.7 Yeah, but scouts have also been complaining about needing some improvement. I'd rather have speed tanking but guess CCP couldn't make that work with all the other tweaks. Here's hoping the cloak is a quick fix that will be nerfed when speed tanking get get hashed out. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 531	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:34:00 - [26] - Quote Yay for not dying in the open field to an RR from 100 m out!!! Looking for the scout hangout?
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 412	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:34:00 - [27] - Quote I don't mind the cloak, for me it's there for either emergencies or just to mess around and play with. But I ultimately prefer Speed Stealth. It's ALL ABOUT DAT SPEED! Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETP-gjGJOME
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7378	Posted - 2014.03.14 20:43:00 - [28] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: 80 seconds is nothing when you consider: 1. Being shot deactivates the cloak. 2. Attacking deactivates the cloak. 3. You are still visible (albeit less so) when running with a cloak. 4. The only suit that can fit it will die if someone looks at it funny. It doesn't deactivate when shot. It only makes the effects of being shot appear, if you can survive the encounter you will stay cloaked. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
negative49er Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 545	Posted - 2014.03.14 21:25:00 - [29] - Quote Scout Here: I'll be ok without cloak i might put a few level into the skill, but i may not run it at all. But the extra Cpu/pg as well as the second equipment slot is much appreciated Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 939	Posted - 2014.03.14 21:54:00 - [30] - Quote negative49er wrote: Scout Here: I'll be ok without cloak i might put a few level into the skill, but i may not run it at all. But the extra Cpu/pg as well as the second equipment slot is much appreciated Yeah I think I'm going to skill to level 3 run the advanced a bit on some of my suits and then evaluate its usefulness Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.



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