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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12211	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:55:00 - [31] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: If you are claiming to be able to kill reasonably Dropships at all ranges with a Forge Gun then I'm calling you a liar. It is difficult to hit moving targets outside 100 meters and dam near impossible out near the fall off. Which I think is fair. Telling people they are bad is a weak counter argument. I didn't say at all ranges. It's actually best to wait till they get closer, or to follow them around in an LAV with a single friend manning the rail turret that you should have in back. I have been hit at that distance multiple times by the same forge gunners though, because they are skilled. You probably aren't being killed at 100 meters by ADS either, so I think it's pretty fair on that front. Forge guns vs ADS is pretty much balanced, the main problem is that no AV does bonus damage to shields, and Pythons are popular because they're, well, better. Dem missiles. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Michael-J-Fox Richards Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 77	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:55:00 - [32] - Quote ADS pilots are so arrogant because we are the ultimate super soldiers upon which all life should be based, im sorry to let our secret out you guys http://i40.tinypic.com/33w8wtd.jpg http://i60.tinypic.com/29w7g29.jpg Assault Dropship Pilot
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5641	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:57:00 - [33] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I have been shot down quite a few times by forge gunner's. Hell I have even been brought down by a milita swarm launcher (which is insanely op btw) I'm a pretty good pilot ............................................________ ....................................,.-GÇÿGÇ¥...................``~., .............................,.-GÇ¥...................................GÇ£-., .........................,/...............................................GÇ¥:, .....................,?......................................................\, .................../...........................................................,} ................./......................................................,:`^`..} .............../...................................................,:GÇ¥........./ ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../ ............./__.(.....GÇ£~-,_..............................,:`........../ .........../(_....GÇ¥~,_........GÇ£~,_....................,:`........_/ ..........{.._$;_......GÇ¥=,_.......GÇ£-,_.......,.-~-,},.~GÇ¥;/....} ...........((.....~_.......GÇ¥=-._......GÇ£;,,./`..../GÇ¥............../ ...,,,___.\`~,......GÇ£~.,....................`.....}............../ ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-GÇ¥ ............/.`~,......`-...............................\....../\ .............\`~.-,.....................................\|,./.....\,__ ,,_..........}.>-._\...................................\|..............`=~-, .....`=~-,_\_......`\,.................................\ ...................`=~-,,.\,...............................\ ................................`:,,...........................`\..............__ .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==`` ........................................_\..........._,-%.......`\ ...................................,<`.._\|_,-&``................`\ AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 592	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:00:00 - [34] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: Baal Roo wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I will admit that I have no skill (SP) nor the attraction to the forge but people posting in this thread are still proving my point. There are very little ways of killing a dropship and he can always simply fly away. If you say that I am ignorant - go for it but the irony is apparent. Take a look at ambushes where a dropship pilot is killing every single thing on the field just by hovering in one spot and taking pot shots at people. Well, what I don't understand is why people don't just pull out some forge guns or swarm launchers and resolve this problem in about 5 seconds. Instead, the just complain that the thing that's ridiculously easy to destroy is killing them, without doing anything about it. I've been piloting dropships as my "main" for about a year now and my secondary role is AV, and I think there's absolutely no question for anyone who's done both that dropships are extremely fragile things. Maybe you personally don't have the capability to deal with them, but that's the choice you've made. Anyone who wants to skill into AV can do so and trust me when I say that proper AV completely ruins a dropship's ability to compete. That being said, I do actually think that small turrets, in general, are a bit too powerful. I also have to clarify that I rarely actually run ADS, I tend to play more of a logistics type dropships with a CRU and scanners and transporting teammates around the field. Frankly, I think the assault dropships are a bit obnoxious, and remove some of the skill and teamwork previously required to be a successful pilot. That's just a personal gripe though, I suppose it just depends on perspective as to where you fall on that opinion. Zirzo Valcyn wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I understand that railguns tanks are extremely unfair but there is literally no other way of killing those things. Don't mention forges - any half decent pilot will evade them and to be quite honest most of them camp objectives. because they want easy mode and do not want to invest the time/isk into learning to deal with rails so the best alternative is to cop attitude That's such a nonsense and inflamatory statement. What time/isk investment exactly would you recommend spending to avoid being 2 shot out of the sky by something sitting 100 meters back into the enemy redline that can hit any spot on the field with pinpoint accuracy? No one can blame the rail tankers for doing what works, but CCP really does need to do something about it. There should never be a role that can only be countered by someone else with the same role and who is using the same tactic, that's just poor game design. i stopped reading at the 2 shot part Why??? Switzerland is small and neutral. We're more like Germany. Ambitious and misunderstood. Futurama
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 190	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:09:00 - [35] - Quote i will elaborate. first 3-5 minutes of the match the scrubs call out their dmg modded railtanks to shoot down the first wave. u fly MLT low and fast and wild, until it is shot down. all except for 1 switch to their blaster tanks and start to roam the field- thinking your done flying. dealing with only 1-2 rails can be done if you know the map well enough and your not running a sub par fit. IF a tank, and thats a big if, laglessly 2 shots you which only can only be done with a lot of SP that tank deserves the kill, you can avoid the second shot, without lag. if it snuck up on you that was bad comms on your team or you weren't aware enough of where the tanks were in the first place. . the fact is dropship is not going to excell at every match there are some matches it will fail but the thing is not 100% survivability rate does not make you the best pilot and that is impossible to achieve without engaging in the fight. the only thing is you can learn to increase your odds at flying and go isk postive. your going to get shot down eventually, it's a game of odds. once those redline tanks engage in the actual fight they're not as much a threat and can be engaged. the redline is the issue here, but that is not the point of this thread. on topic: the arrogance also comes from pilots getting a lot of crap for not scoring high and too many ppl on ground are serious about it 2 shotting a fit dropship is rare 3 shots is much more common, thats ample time between shot 1 and 3 to react, but it's not 100% chance that you will evade, i'm up to about 70% if i were to do the math which i dont u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5641	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:18:00 - [36] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't say at all ranges. It's actually best to wait till they get closer, or to follow them around in an LAV with a single friend manning the rail turret that you should have in back. I have been hit at that distance multiple times by the same forge gunners though, because they are skilled. You probably aren't being killed at 100 meters by ADS either, so I think it's pretty fair on that front. Forge guns vs ADS is pretty much balanced, the main problem is that no AV does bonus damage to shields, and Pythons are popular because they're, well, better. Dem missiles. The main problem with waiting for them to get closer, is the fact that doing so will guarantee that they have their hardeners active, and that they will kill you before you can finish firing your 2nd shot. LAVs however, are a viable AV weapon. I remember chasing SGT NOVA STAR around with my 20GJ Particle Cannon a few weeks ago, and it kept him off the objective completely. However you should not use that a point, because it only requires 1 person to operate and effectively use an Assault Dropship. However, I can't come to a conclusion on whether or not Dropships are balanced, as: 1. I Have not fought enough ADSs to come to a valid conclusion 2. My Swarm Launcher is plain garbage against everything in general, including fitted LAVs 3. I have yet to guage the complete effectiveness of ADSs when there is no 20/80GJ Railguns present So until I do so, I'm AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 592	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:21:00 - [37] - Quote Not sure why you stopped reading the other guys post. You seem to think everyone is running a MLT fit and tank strategy plays out exactly the same every match. You said plenty of true stuff, but you also said some pretty ignorant stuff. Other than what seemed to me to be some jokes on this thread, i cant say ive really ever met a truly arrogant pilot. Of course, i did drop out of the 1st airborne channel when they started talking about "the pilots code" lol Switzerland is small and neutral. We're more like Germany. Ambitious and misunderstood. Futurama
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 183	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:27:00 - [38] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I will admit that I have no skill (SP) nor the attraction to the forge but people posting in this thread are still proving my point. There are very little ways of killing a dropship and he can always simply fly away. If you say that I am ignorant - go for it but the irony is apparent. Take a look at ambushes where a dropship pilot is killing every single thing on the field just by hovering in one spot and taking pot shots at people. Aaah, Ambush, you mean the mode where they're most viable (as long as you get several called in before the enemy gets their tanks). Yeah, tried it, understand why other pilots like it, but don't dig it. Not new, just new to you.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 190	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:27:00 - [39] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Not sure why you stopped reading the other guys post. You seem to think everyone is running a MLT fit and tank strategy plays out exactly the same every match. You said plenty of true stuff, but you also said some pretty ignorant stuff. Other than what seemed to me to be some jokes on this thread, i cant say ive really ever met a truly arrogant pilot. Of course, i did drop out of the 1st airborne channel when they started talking about "the pilots code" lol perhaps you think i only run MLT fit.. thats not true. i call my ADS when i've scouted the map with my MLT fit,so if instead of cying here that i can't fly my expensive ADS every map, i am fly EVERY map (except ashland) and going isk postive at it. never said i dont get shot down i do, but i go isk positive at flying while flying more than crashing.. so if that makes me the ignorant one- the guy that doesn't tryhard to call his ADS every moment, so be it. actually i've stopped MLT altogether and went STD, maybe your one that still under the impression that ADS is the only flyable ship, idk, maybe your not. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Rusty Shallows 1090	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:32:00 - [40] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't say at all ranges. My bad, sorry. I read the "get good" style statement and had to sound off. Tickled pink we both can agree the range dynamics are fair. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game

Denchlad 7 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 93	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:38:00 - [41] - Quote Before 1.7 I had never skilled into Forge Guns. I did so because well, I can. Anyway, killing dropships is actually fairly straightforward with the 9K330 and above tiers. Aim shoot bam. Its really not that hard. As Dust Fiend already said, if you cant kill 'em with a Forge... well you may need an eyesight check. Lolswarms hopefully should get fixed soon, and Railguns can **** off, if I see one I pull out a Forge and blast it to pieces. As much as I hate Railguns, I've just learnt to deal with it for the time being. Inconvenient yes, but I'd rather grown and get on with it and let someone who genuinely wants to examine the problem in depth deal with it. Judge made an excellent video about them that I and I highly doubt anyone else could make. That explains our frustrations pretty much exactly. Theres no point whining after that, because it cannot be explained or complained about any better. If you can't accept change, you will fail in this world.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 592	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:47:00 - [42] - Quote I was refering to tanks, as opposed to DSs about the militia thing. Baal made some good points, no reason to shut him down the way you did. You overall made some great points as well, however I work extremely close with my tanks and the first 3-5 minutesyou described is nothing like how my guys operate. Noy saying we are the best or anything like that, just there are definitely different proccedures going on with the tank front. I apologize for the "ignorant" statement, and for sure i say kudos for taking to the sky whenever and however possible, whether its relivant the the match or not. Im a ground/assault at heart and picked up DSs cause the ground game was making me hate Dust. I can proudly say that i lose tons of isk some matches, just cause i get sick of the ground and want to fly, no matter the conditions. Anyway, looking back i miss read your statement about MLT DSs to be about MLT tanks, and i had a knee jerk reaction to what looked like you snubbing Baal. I apolagize. Switzerland is small and neutral. We're more like Germany. Ambitious and misunderstood. Futurama
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:53:00 - [43] - Quote I got pwned last night by a FG on communications tower, he was able to track me, but i didn't have to be there, i chose to put the ship in danger just because i was bored and had no gunner, i flew some circles and passes thru the city he finally shot me down after maybe 2-minutes of messing around i like to put my ships to the test tho unless it's my expensive ADS, i'm more careful with that. the reason i defend the system as it is is because i dont want to spend another 3 months to relearn a new one u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 498	Posted - 2014.03.13 00:56:00 - [44] - Quote Rail tanks... who cares... rail tanks in red line... now I have legit reason to complain -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2014.03.13 01:01:00 - [45] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: I was refering to tanks, as opposed to DSs about the militia thing. Baal made some good points, no reason to shut him down the way you did. You overall made some great points as well, however I work extremely close with my tanks and the first 3-5 minutesyou described is nothing like how my guys operate. Noy saying we are the best or anything like that, just there are definitely different proccedures going on with the tank front. I apologize for the "ignorant" statement, and for sure i say kudos for taking to the sky whenever and however possible, whether its relivant the the match or not. Im a ground/assault at heart and picked up DSs cause the ground game was making me hate Dust. I can proudly say that i lose tons of isk some matches, just cause i get sick of the ground and want to fly, no matter the conditions. Anyway, looking back i miss read your statement about MLT DSs to be about MLT tanks, and i had a knee jerk reaction to what looked like you snubbing Baal. I apolagize. i edited my post already and apologized to baal right. i know now what your saying. well we hadn't established if this was random pubs or organized. and i was referring to randoms who just solo tank, as a lot of forum QQ is based on a solo pilot dealing with solo tankers- this is why i'm opinionated because these people aren't factoring in squads like yours and are basing their nerf rail calls on pub matches. not saying anyone here in this thread has. i simply do not want to relearn the system i've studied for 3 months i love ground also but chose to escape my furstrations by flying also, it becomes more and more obsessive and you do get better, i am not the best pilot, i've tooted my horn for a couple days because i've had some really good past days flying after dumping even more loads of SP into it and was just hyped. my pride is that i can recover from on board fires and it's becoming routine and i'm hyped because flying no longer furstrates me i'm at peace with it until it changes again. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1576	Posted - 2014.03.13 01:01:00 - [46] - Quote Quote: Why does every ADS pilot is so arrogant? I don't care what's being discussed in thins thread I just wanted to quote this title, for it is glorious! GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥ Ko6 scout,
Canis Ferox Ultramarine Corp 12	Posted - 2014.03.13 01:35:00 - [47] - Quote OK, it's simple I'll explain: Red-line Railgun Tanks are whack. So is spawn camping in a dropship. You deserve each other, now quit grumblin, get a gun in your hand and let's have a proper fight! (Halo: Combat Evolved had a 'no vehicles' option - this meant all the goonpups could gather and flip warthogs over banshees while the pros could have a decent battle. But anyway that game was more about skill and this is more about tactics so let's talk solution:) remove WP rewards from red line? take the gun off the front of the transport ship - it don't belong? increase drop off rate of railgun 'shells'? remove AV and make dropships literally invulnerable because that is the only way these fuckin bitches will quit whining!* *I'm joking, I'm joking: Chill! Please remember we are here to have fun. Well not here, the forums are for troll-huntin' but Dust is supposed to be fun: Can't we all just get along and repeatedly murder each other? - C.Ferox
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3040	Posted - 2014.03.13 02:39:00 - [48] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Not sure why you stopped reading the other guys post. You seem to think everyone is running a MLT fit and tank strategy plays out exactly the same every match. You said plenty of true stuff, but you also said some pretty ignorant stuff. Other than what seemed to me to be some jokes on this thread, i cant say ive really ever met a truly arrogant pilot. Of course, i did drop out of the 1st airborne channel when they started talking about "the pilots code" lol I stopped reading because 2 shot is almost an exageration the truth is it's 3 shots 2 shots = on board fire which means you still have a chance unless you take final damage perhaps you think i only run MLT fit.. thats not true. i call my ADS when i've scouted the map with my MLT fit,so if instead of cying here that i can't fly my expensive ADS every map, i am fly EVERY map (except ashland) and going isk postive at it. never said i dont get shot down i do, but i go isk positive at flying while flying more than crashing.. so if that makes me the ignorant one- the guy that doesn't tryhard to call his ADS every moment, so be it. actually i've stopped MLT altogether and went STD, maybe your one that still under the impression that ADS is the only flyable ship, idk, maybe your not. and i sry if i was a dik to baal roo i respect his time here The problem is that you're simply giving scenarios that support your position, while ignoring points being made that go against it. I agree, that if you tank out your dropship, with no other role in mind that you can survive 2 shots. However, that requires that every dropship pilot slots in their modules more or less the same way. No spawner ships, no speed fits, no scouts, etc... every dropship would need to be fit for eHP for your scenario to ring true in all situations. That, IMO, is a sign of poor game design and balance. I too fly every map with dropships and stay ISK positive overall (Ashland included), and agree that not every match has multiple rail tanks in the red lines. However, many matches do, and it's not a fun or dynamic gameplay element from either side of the engagement. One small mistake and your dropship is in flames, while the rail tank sits idle in the back with zero risk and a very low level of skill necessary. it needs fixed, regardless of whether or not the best of the best pilots can generally mitigate the damage they cause. And again, to be clear, I don't actually generally fly ADS except on a lark. I mostly fly Myrons fit with dual scanners and a CRU, because the majority of my game time is spent playing with 6-12 corpmates in FW and I enjoy support roles.
Temias Mercurial ANGEL FLEET 0	Posted - 2014.03.13 03:03:00 - [49] - Quote Why on earth do people say AV is underpowered? Get two breach forge guns (any tier) and they'll decimate the average FOTM tanker. Pythons and Incubus' are also rather easy to kill with nearly anything, whether it be a turret (large or small), forge gun, or AV nades. However, I do believe that swarms are underpowered, but only by a small margin. In honesty, I do not see why a non-skillful weapon should be rewarded with high damage. I despise anything that can be terribly OP without effort, such as rail tanks. The turrets themselves are hardly required in the effort department, but a good mindset of when to/or not to engage certain targets is where true skill lies. Against AV, dropships are near perfection in balance, but rail tanks negate any true evaluation of whether or not they are "OP". My apologies to those swarmers out there, but that is my honest opinion.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 550	Posted - 2014.03.13 03:08:00 - [50] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I understand that railguns tanks are extremely unfair but there is literally no other way of killing those things. Don't mention forges - any half decent pilot will evade them and to be quite honest most of them camp objectives. I kill nearly every ADS that is near my while I have my forge out. Git gud. Really, just fix the problem. Most assault dropships costs twice as much as the average rail tank. Amarr Logi \| Amarr Sentinel Projects: TDBS \| SDETool

Temias Mercurial ANGEL FLEET 0	Posted - 2014.03.13 03:16:00 - [51] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I understand that railguns tanks are extremely unfair but there is literally no other way of killing those things. Don't mention forges - any half decent pilot will evade them and to be quite honest most of them camp objectives. I kill nearly every ADS that is near my while I have my forge out. Git gud. Really, just fix the problem. Most assault dropships costs twice as much as the average rail tank. The average rail tank is 70k to 150k isk unfortunately, or an entirely free installation that is horrible broken as they do not have the same restrictions as turrets. They can turn instantly when not manned, can actually inflict more damage than proto railguns (this has been tested by numerous people, including me), and have infinite ammunition without having to reload. It's simply not fair at all to be a pilot...
Temias Mercurial ANGEL FLEET 1	Posted - 2014.03.13 03:32:00 - [52] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I understand that railguns tanks are extremely unfair but there is literally no other way of killing those things. Don't mention forges - any half decent pilot will evade them and to be quite honest most of them camp objectives. Who doesn't camp objectives? Why are you trying to justify your argument by blaming pilots? Let's see here... Scouts, Heavies, Logis, Assaults, Tanks, LAVs, HMG LAVs, and pilots... everyone has done this at one time or another in a role of their choice. Before posting something else, try to justify your arguments with legitimate reasoning.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2014.03.13 03:53:00 - [53] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: Dunk Mujunk wrote: Not sure why you stopped reading the other guys post. You seem to think everyone is running a MLT fit and tank strategy plays out exactly the same every match. You said plenty of true stuff, but you also said some pretty ignorant stuff. Other than what seemed to me to be some jokes on this thread, i cant say ive really ever met a truly arrogant pilot. Of course, i did drop out of the 1st airborne channel when they started talking about "the pilots code" lol I stopped reading because 2 shot is almost an exageration the truth is it's 3 shots 2 shots = on board fire which means you still have a chance unless you take final damage perhaps you think i only run MLT fit.. thats not true. i call my ADS when i've scouted the map with my MLT fit,so if instead of cying here that i can't fly my expensive ADS every map, i am fly EVERY map (except ashland) and going isk postive at it. never said i dont get shot down i do, but i go isk positive at flying while flying more than crashing.. so if that makes me the ignorant one- the guy that doesn't tryhard to call his ADS every moment, so be it. actually i've stopped MLT altogether and went STD, maybe your one that still under the impression that ADS is the only flyable ship, idk, maybe your not. and i sry if i was a dik to baal roo i respect his time here The problem is that you're simply giving scenarios that support your position, while ignoring points being made that go against it. I agree, that if you tank out your dropship, with no other role in mind that you can survive 2 shots. However, that requires that every dropship pilot slots in their modules more or less the same way. No spawner ships, no speed fits, no scouts, etc... every dropship would need to be fit for eHP for your scenario to ring true in all situations. That, IMO, is a sign of poor game design and balance. I too fly every map with dropships and stay ISK positive overall (Ashland included), and agree that not every match has multiple rail tanks in the red lines. However, many matches do, and it's not a fun or dynamic gameplay element from either side of the engagement. One small mistake and your dropship is in flames, while the rail tank sits idle in the back with zero risk and a very low level of skill necessary. it needs fixed, regardless of whether or not the best of the best pilots can generally mitigate the damage they cause. And again, to be clear, I don't actually generally fly ADS except on a lark. I mostly fly Myrons fit with dual scanners and a CRU, because the majority of my game time is spent playing with 6-12 corpmates in FW and I enjoy support roles. yea true that is just a high sec scenario but a very common one for me. my gorgon fit with CRU survives mostly up to 3 shots but the damage control is not what i like it to be. i'm not advocating to keep the redline in play i hate it. i had some one actually get tired of shooting my grimness before the server crashed, he finally stopped shooting for a while and waited til i messed up once to close to a tower and collided then he fired to finish me off as i was also stalled. was my first match of the day so i wasnt very warmed up. this has been happening for me more lately the rail gets tired of trying, but 4 out of 5 mathces if they shoot down my first ship i call the next one out they have stopped thinking it was my only 1.. if the tanks are on the field i love going after one if i have my gunner. i prefer to also use the non ADS because i am more effective with a gunner even tho i live for the moment i get a nose cannon kill, i had to rethink my game plan in order to not bankrupt, and learned that the non ADS are not under rated like ppl in game are claiming and labeling anyone who isnt fly an ADS as a noob pilot even if you dont get shot down there like, "you should skill into ADS theyre better bla bla bla" i reply "buy me my ADS i'll fly them for you all night. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 1251	Posted - 2014.03.13 03:57:00 - [54] - Quote Hey just because we're better than everyone does not mean we're arrogant. beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican! Now a level 1 forum warrior.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:01:00 - [55] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Why on earth do people say AV is underpowered? Get two breach forge guns (any tier) and they'll decimate the average FOTM tanker. Pythons and Incubus' are also rather easy to kill with nearly anything, whether it be a turret (large or small), forge gun, or AV nades. However, I do believe that swarms are underpowered, but only by a small margin. In honesty, I do not see why a non-skillful weapon should be rewarded with high damage. I despise anything that can be terribly OP without effort, such as rail tanks. The turrets themselves are hardly required in the effort department, but a good mindset of when to/or not to engage certain targets is where true skill lies. Against AV, dropships are near perfection in balance, but rail tanks negate any true evaluation of whether or not they are "OP". My apologies to those swarmers out there, but that is my honest opinion. the swarm launcher is broke atm, what i fear is the fix will be an over buff and will get 2 shotted by swarms. we've been through past builds with OP swarms the part in bold is true for the whole game. if you don't have fire discipline you alert your enemy instead of ambushing him i despise the MLT tanks, i dont despise the dedicated ones, but i'm also guilty of calling an MLT tank on some idiot who thinks he can fly slow and high right up next to my teams MCC.. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Charlotte O'Dell Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors 2112	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:09:00 - [56] - Quote for the same reason pre-1.7 tankers were- it's hard. everything kills you and your fittings cost a lot. Hard to pilot but very good if you can..that's why i hate tanks right now. i cant have any pride in it when stacking 3 shield extenders is a good fit. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Taurion Bruni D3ATH CARD 216	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:11:00 - [57] - Quote In my opinion, forge vs ADS is balanced, solo on solo, you ttk is similar on both sides. Swarms vs ADS, or any vehicle for that matter, is in favor of the vehicle, but not because they are designed week, but they are glitched to give only half the damage they were promised. Bringing the damage output to what it should be can turn a swarm launcher into a viable AV weapon. However, if the community feels that swarms are still UP after fixing, then I would be for raising damage back to 1.6 to compete. And not all pilots fly solo btw, I choose to add guns and fly as a squad (I have a fitting built to destroy a redline tank in one pass). And it is fun to pilot as a team Pilot // Logistics
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:13:00 - [58] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: I will admit that I have no skill (SP) nor the attraction to the forge but people posting in this thread are still proving my point. There are very little ways of killing a dropship and he can always simply fly away. If you say that I am ignorant - go for it but the irony is apparent. Take a look at ambushes where a dropship pilot is killing every single thing on the field just by hovering in one spot and taking pot shots at people. wouldnt exactly classify those as potshots... there's also instances where heavies mow down entire squads.. and how exactly are we not supposed to camp objectives what are we supposed to get out and hack? u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2014.03.13 04:20:00 - [59] - Quote Taurion Bruni wrote: In my opinion, forge vs ADS is balanced, solo on solo, you ttk is similar on both sides. Swarms vs ADS, or any vehicle for that matter, is in favor of the vehicle, but not because they are designed week, but they are glitched to give only half the damage they were promised. Bringing the damage output to what it should be can turn a swarm launcher into a viable AV weapon. However, if the community feels that swarms are still UP after fixing, then I would be for raising damage back to 1.6 to compete. And not all pilots fly solo btw, I choose to add guns and fly as a squad (I have a fitting built to destroy a redline tank in one pass). And it is fun to pilot as a team i'm slowly assembling a team, got a gunner a logi and a heavy right now and a couple AV, there not always on at the same time tho, if we get our tactics down it will be primarily for going after tanks as a hot drop team. i get sick of toxic players like the OP and their butthurt vs pilots so i just avoid the normal channels and squad finder, i attach a CRU to my solo ship, hope for the best and occasionally i pick up a new person to add to my channel that randomly spawned in and decides to join us. i've also been trolling academy with a gorgon/cru to pick up extra gunners because i have better luck getting new players to be dedicated gunners, understandbly someone who has his points into the ground doesnt want to hang out on my ship the whole match/ u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Mocking Bird Inc. 796	Posted - 2014.03.13 14:24:00 - [60] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Quote: Why does every ADS pilot is so arrogant? I don't care what's being discussed in thins thread I just wanted to quote this title, for it is glorious! thanks, buddy. I was to write something else in the topic and then changed my mind. I continued the sentence without actually changing the start. EDIT. You can't even have a civilized discussion without "get guud" or "you suck". I am generally a nice guy but why do I have to receive all this crap? I bet I would smoke most of the people who type "get good" or "HTFU" on the forums. Very disappointing feelings about no respec. No SP for Magsec, no SP for the bolt pistol :(



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