I understand that railguns tanks are extremely unfair but there is literally no other way of killing those things. Don't mention forges - any half decent pilot will evade them and to be quite honest most of them camp objectives.

Evade them? I spent an entire match on Ashlands unable to engage infantry at all due to two Forge Gunners up on the ship under part of the scaffold. If I tried to engage them, they'd back up until my launcher had to reload, then pop out and fire in sync.

By the way, those were ADV Forge Guns, not even PRO.

Swarm launchers are bugged somehow and doing about half the damage they should, which you can see from Judge's latest video. Once that is addressed, swarms will once again be a threat.

The issue here isn't the railgun HAVs as much as it is that we're being hit by tanks sitting back in the redline where NO ONE can retaliate against them. As well, because they sit back there, they can forego tank and just stack damage mods to ensure they punch right through any tank you have fitted with 2 shots at the most.

Well, what I don't understand is why people don't just pull out some forge guns or swarm launchers and resolve this problem in about 5 seconds. Instead, the just complain that the thing that's ridiculously easy to destroy is killing them, without doing anything about it. I've been piloting dropships as my "main" for about a year now and my secondary role is AV, and I think there's absolutely no question for anyone who's done both that dropships are extremely fragile things. Maybe you personally don't have the capability to deal with them, but that's the choice you've made. Anyone who wants to skill into AV can do so and trust me when I say that proper AV completely ruins a dropship's ability to compete.

That being said, I do actually think that small turrets, in general, are a bit too powerful. I also have to clarify that I rarely actually run ADS, I tend to play more of a logistics type dropships with a CRU and scanners and transporting teammates around the field. Frankly, I think the assault dropships are a bit obnoxious, and remove some of the skill and teamwork previously required to be a successful pilot. That's just a personal gripe though, I suppose it just depends on perspective as to where you fall on that opinion.



That's such a nonsense and inflamatory statement. What time/isk investment exactly would you recommend spending to avoid being 2 shot out of the sky by something sitting 100 meters back into the enemy redline that can hit any spot on the field with pinpoint accuracy?

No one can blame the rail tankers for doing what works, but CCP really does need to do something about it. There should never be a role that can only be countered by someone else with the same role and who is using the same tactic, that's just poor game design.

Not sure why you stopped reading the other guys post. You seem to think everyone is running a MLT fit and tank strategy plays out exactly the same every match. You said plenty of true stuff, but you also said some pretty ignorant stuff.

Other than what seemed to me to be some jokes on this thread, i cant say ive really ever met a truly arrogant pilot. Of course, i did drop out of the 1st airborne channel when they started talking about "the pilots code" lol

I was refering to tanks, as opposed to DSs about the militia thing. Baal made some good points, no reason to shut him down the way you did. You overall made some great points as well, however I work extremely close with my tanks and the first 3-5 minutesyou described is nothing like how my guys operate. Noy saying we are the best or anything like that, just there are definitely different proccedures going on with the tank front.

I apologize for the "ignorant" statement, and for sure i say kudos for taking to the sky whenever and however possible, whether its relivant the the match or not. Im a ground/assault at heart and picked up DSs cause the ground game was making me hate Dust. I can proudly say that i lose tons of isk some matches, just cause i get sick of the ground and want to fly, no matter the conditions.

Anyway, looking back i miss read your statement about MLT DSs to be about MLT tanks, and i had a knee jerk reaction to what looked like you snubbing Baal. I apolagize.

The problem is that you're simply giving scenarios that support your position, while ignoring points being made that go against it. I agree, that if you tank out your dropship, with no other role in mind that you can survive 2 shots. However, that requires that every dropship pilot slots in their modules more or less the same way. No spawner ships, no speed fits, no scouts, etc... every dropship would need to be fit for eHP for your scenario to ring true in all situations. That, IMO, is a sign of poor game design and balance.

I too fly every map with dropships and stay ISK positive overall (Ashland included), and agree that not every match has multiple rail tanks in the red lines. However, many matches do, and it's not a fun or dynamic gameplay element from either side of the engagement. One small mistake and your dropship is in flames, while the rail tank sits idle in the back with zero risk and a very low level of skill necessary. it needs fixed, regardless of whether or not the best of the best pilots can generally mitigate the damage they cause.

And again, to be clear, I don't actually generally fly ADS except on a lark. I mostly fly Myrons fit with dual scanners and a CRU, because the majority of my game time is spent playing with 6-12 corpmates in FW and I enjoy support roles.

Why on earth do people say AV is underpowered? Get two breach forge guns (any tier) and they'll decimate the average FOTM tanker. Pythons and Incubus' are also rather easy to kill with nearly anything, whether it be a turret (large or small), forge gun, or AV nades. However, I do believe that swarms are underpowered, but only by a small margin. In honesty, I do not see why a non-skillful weapon should be rewarded with high damage. I despise anything that can be terribly OP without effort, such as rail tanks. The turrets themselves are hardly required in the effort department, but a good mindset of when to/or not to engage certain targets is where true skill lies. Against AV, dropships are near perfection in balance, but rail tanks negate any true evaluation of whether or not they are "OP". My apologies to those swarmers out there, but that is my honest opinion.

I will admit that I have no skill (SP) nor the attraction to the forge but people posting in this thread are still proving my point. There are very little ways of killing a dropship and he can always simply fly away. If you say that I am ignorant - go for it but the irony is apparent. Take a look at ambushes where a dropship pilot is killing every single thing on the field just by hovering in one spot and taking pot shots at people.

In my opinion, forge vs ADS is balanced, solo on solo, you ttk is similar on both sides. Swarms vs ADS, or any vehicle for that matter, is in favor of the vehicle, but not because they are designed week, but they are glitched to give only half the damage they were promised. Bringing the damage output to what it should be can turn a swarm launcher into a viable AV weapon.

However, if the community feels that swarms are still UP after fixing, then I would be for raising damage back to 1.6 to compete.

And not all pilots fly solo btw, I choose to add guns and fly as a squad (I have a fitting built to destroy a redline tank in one pass). And it is fun to pilot as a team