True - but a slug shot is the OHK method. What your describing will require multiple shots from the same distance.

What might be a better option, is allowing the shotgun user the choice of slug vs buckshot like they have in other games. Although I doubt it will change anything.

Another blind player, yes, so many people with walking sticks here. Oh yeah, aiming is 1/3 of what other games sensitivity is, but *it's ok*. Sure pal.

I do.
Bad DPS, 4m range, slow fire rate...

Considering logis count as medium frames it's pretty damn hard to take down a proto medium frame in one shot if they tank much. Usually 2 good shots will do it but if they have that trusty CR you'll be dead before you get your second shot off often (assuming they're good).

I fully support the shotgun's needing more power, especially a damage boosting skill instead of the the ROF and the tiers do not increase the damage enough.

I do.
Bad DPS, 4m range, slow fire rate...

I do.
Bad DPS, 4m range, slow fire rate...

Let me start of by saying, honestly, I don't think I have a clue what exactly is wrong with the shotgun. Since about 1.6, my opinion on it has changed almost on a week to week basis.

It seems like one day I'll be going into games with my CreoDron and OHKing almost anything I come across, and the next I'll be bearing down on assault suits and dumping SG rounds into them without getting a single kill. At the same time, they drop like flies to my Boundless/RS-90 CRs all day, every day.

First and foremost, I think everyone can agree that the SG hit detection is screwy, that needs to be addressed before anything else. Next, TTK needs to be at an acceptable level. With the way things are now, almost everything is a high alpha weapon, the only difference with the SG is that can only deal that damage in bursts.

Once those two issues are taken care of, further adjustments can be made if necessary. If so, then the first course of action should be to look at the skill bonuses. While it is useful in individual engagements, SG Prof mostly just eats up your ammo faster over time, and there isn't that much to begin with. Personally, I'd like to see Operation switched to fire rate, Proficiency given the standard damage bonus, and the addition of a Shotgun Sharpshooter skill that decreases spread (this also works out for those odd mercs who have the laughable notion that you'd ever want more spread on a SG).

Considering logis count as medium frames it's pretty damn hard to take down a proto medium frame in one shot if they tank much. Usually 2 good shots will do it but if they have that trusty CR you'll be dead before you get your second shot off often (assuming they're good).

I fully support the shotgun's needing more power, especially a damage boosting skill instead of the the ROF and the tiers do not increase the damage enough.

If the proficiency is changed to increasing damage then there should be a officer shotgun. It'll probably be a different name if it was made, not Balac's or Krin's.

They simply don't do enough damage.

A proto shotgun with a complex damage mod is just barely good enough to take down an STD suit in one shot.
Shotguns NEED the one shot killing power, since their DPS is garbage.

The buff is actually pretty easy- change op bonus to 5% fire rate per level, proficiency to 3% damage
add +4 damage per pellet at ADV, and +8 damage per pellet at proto (scale the breach SG's as well

Which is exactly why it needs that massive alpha.

You don't really need that buff, the shotgun is fine except for hit detection and range, which at best could be enhanced by 1-2 m for optimal range or a less steep drop off in damage.

Um you do know this was in reply to the OP right, not you. You just made yourself look like an idiot. Thanks though for the attempt at an insult. As for my response for aiming being too slow, I do believe the ADS for SGs are too slow compared to other weapons and other games, especially for a weapon u want to mainly go for head shots with to get the most bang for your buck. When you can't reliably do that, you flank, hip-fire, and strafe.

Ill definitely agree with range, its kinda hard to hit someone when they can jump backwards and become outside of your range with one jumpGǪ.btw good times squadding lol. Im getting back into the swing

People that say shotguns are fine tend to usually be those who have not dedicated much SP into shotguns or barely use them. Damage just really needs a small incremental increase.

But what REALLY bothers me is how it's a weapon that requires the user to be SUPER accurate, meaning that if your reticle is not DEAD CENTER of your target, you will miss out on most of the damage potential that could have been dealt. (Aeon Amadi made a very informational thread on how shotguns suffered the same issues the HMG did, which was it was laser accurate even though the large reticle meant that it was a weapon with immense spread)

Add on the fact that it's range is literally spitting distance, and the range required to deal full damage is 4 meters (Perhaps even LESS), I might as well use knives...

Another factor that makes using the shotgun difficult is that because you have to get so ridiculously close, you have an incredibly limited field of view once you're in range, and once you've landed the first shot and the enemy starts bunny hopping, the second shot required is a PAIN IN THE ASS to land.

Hit detection is also rather sketchy on this weapon too.....

I honestly don't know if my aim is simply horrible, but the other issues this weapon has justifies the fact that this weapon seriously needs to be looked at by CCP when they're rebalancing weapons for 1.8.

P.S. What the hell kind of operation skill LOWERS spread on A CQC WEAPON like the shotgun?!

TL;DR The shotgun needs a SMALL damage buff, a slight increase in range by say 3 meters, and LARGER SPREAD

People that say shotguns are fine tend to usually be those who have not dedicated much SP into shotguns or barely use them. Damage just really needs a small incremental increase.

But what REALLY bothers me is how it's a weapon that requires the user to be SUPER accurate, meaning that if your reticle is not DEAD CENTER of your target, you will miss out on most of the damage potential that could have been dealt. (Aeon Amadi made a very informational thread on how shotguns suffered the same issues the HMG did, which was it was laser accurate even though the large reticle meant that it was a weapon with immense spread)

Add on the fact that it's range is literally spitting distance, and the range required to deal full damage is 4 meters, I might as well use knives...

Another factor that makes using the shotgun difficult is that because you have to get so ridiculously close, you have an incredibly limited field of view once you're in range, and once you've landed the first shot and the enemy starts bunny hopping, the second shot required is a PAIN IN THE ASS to land.

Hit detection is also rather sketchy on this weapon too.....

I honestly don't know if my aim is simply horrible, but the other issues this weapon has justifies the fact that this weapon seriously needs to be looked at by CCP when they're rebalancing weapons for 1.8.

P.S. What the hell kind of operation skill LOWERS spread on A CQC WEAPON like the shotgun?!

TL;DR The shotgun needs a SMALL damage buff, a slight increase in range by say 3 meters, and LARGER SPREAD

Other than some hit detection issues I think the shotgun is fine and you people whining about it need ALOT of practice

They simply don't do enough damage.

A proto shotgun with a complex damage mod is just barely good enough to take down an STD suit in one shot.
Shotguns NEED the one shot killing power, since their DPS is garbage.

Whut? I've one-shotted plenty of standard suits using a Dren shotgun and no damage mods. I don't even have any points in shotguns at all.

Just be as close as you can and when possible, aim for the head.

The shotgun is UP... or OP... depending on what day you use it.