DUST Search - Why nerf damage mods?

All Channels

General Discussions

Why nerf damage mods?

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Tectonic Fusion 1087	Posted - 2014.02.21 20:53:00 - [1] - Quote They are only in a good place because of the current TTK. If they are nerfed, how will I be able to kill people with my sniper rifle? Don't say headshots, because it's really hard to shoot them in the head with a DS3. Also how will the Forge Gun be able to kill tanks? How will the Mass Driver be able to kill the masses...and how will the laser rifle be able to kill...anything. And how will the flaaylock pistol scare people away? Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 506	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:20:00 - [2] - Quote They'll eventually have to buff sniper rifles. As things currently stand, though, it's incredibly unfair (and harmful to the game's future) that new players can up against a person that not only has proficiency 5 (15% damage boost) but then ANOTHER 25% or so damage boost from damage mods. For the record, I run three mods on my sniper and swarm builds, but generally stick to just one for any other suit. Stacking damage mods either needs to have a steeper penalty (as in 10% for one complex, 15% for two and 17.5% for three complex mods) or simply be restricted to only one equipped at a time. For the rest, certain items need to be nerfed (hardeners should reduce damage based on tier) and others buffed (which I believe the MD is going to be in the next update.) Life is killing me.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2728	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:30:00 - [3] - Quote Because it's easier than making all of the other modules worth applying? TL,DR - Thinks make CCP head hurt inside. I GÖú Kittens.
CRYPT3C W0LF Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 386	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:39:00 - [4] - Quote have never speced into damage mods or used them. Whats the point? COOKIE MASTER RACE ^__^ Youtube, A Merc with a passion
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1125	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:43:00 - [5] - Quote Are they nerfing damage mods? Damn. But I guess it makes sense if certain groups aren't getting a health bonus but rather a bonus to weapons. Everything Dies wrote: They'll eventually have to buff sniper rifles. As things currently stand, though, it's incredibly unfair (and harmful to the game's future) that new players can up against a person that not only has proficiency 5 (15% damage boost) but then ANOTHER 25% or so damage boost from damage mods. For the record, I run three mods on my sniper and swarm builds, but generally stick to just one for any other suit. Stacking damage mods either needs to have a steeper penalty (as in 10% for one complex, 15% for two and 17.5% for three complex mods) or simply be restricted to only one equipped at a time. For the rest, certain items need to be nerfed (hardeners should reduce damage based on tier) and others buffed (which I believe the MD is going to be in the next update.) I'd argue we need a Marksman or Ranger Dropsuit class that's based on light frames. Extend the distance on the weapon you're using along with the damage potential of certain ranged weapons through racial bonuses, of course. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
castba Penguin's March 326	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:44:00 - [6] - Quote Nerfing damage miss to appease the community's request for slightly linger TTK. Seems obvious and logical.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1105	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:57:00 - [7] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: If they are nerfed, how will I be able to kill people with my sniper rifle? Don't say headshots, because it's really hard to shoot them in the head with a DS3. Get..... good? Sorry, couldn't resist Also, MD buff has been confirmed. MAG ~ Raven
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 504	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:01:00 - [8] - Quote Because they're OP? \|: Right now, the only way to play competitively is triple stacked complex damage mods. The fact that it is a necessity makes them OP by the lack of diversity they create. Also, rifles have insane TTK with those things. a jump from 5% damage to 10% increase is just too far. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 490	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:23:00 - [9] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: Right now, the only way to play competitively is triple stacked complex damage mods. The fact that it is a necessity makes them OP by the lack of diversity they create. lol If you say so.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2101	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:26:00 - [10] - Quote People want to nerf damage mode because they are an easy scapegoat. (Think make some players head hurt too.) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!

Llast 326 An Arkhos 2004	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:29:00 - [11] - Quote Where is the info on the damage mod nerf? KRRROOOOOOM
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1683	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:33:00 - [12] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: Because they're OP? \|: Right now, the only way to play competitively is triple stacked complex damage mods. The fact that it is a necessity makes them OP by the lack of diversity they create. Stacking damage mods is only really necessary for long range weapons that don't end up in the line of fire often, like the Sniper Rifle. Outside of that, Complex Shield Extenders have always, always, always out-performed Complex Damage Mods since the first day of this game. The players who are aware of this just got sick of posting the math to explain why every single week. So the knowledge seems to have dropped out of the general player base. If damage mods get nerfed, the only module that will be useful in the high-slot will be Complex Shield Extenders, and nothing else. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2375	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:34:00 - [13] - Quote Cause they are the only good option for high slots and make running anything else pointless? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Rusty Shallows 1005	Posted - 2014.02.21 22:59:00 - [14] - Quote So much for scan precision. Only newbs and future Caldari Sentinels will use those. Damage Mods don't need to be nerfed. Just limited to one per type (light, sidearm, heavy) on the Frame. We knew something was off by them during Chromosome. The forced stacking on medium frames for certain weapon types pretty much confirmed it. Stacking DM has made losers of light and heavy frames. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 121	Posted - 2014.02.21 23:01:00 - [15] - Quote Dmg mods on HMG absolutely necesary
Tectonic Fusion 1092	Posted - 2014.02.22 01:16:00 - [16] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: Because they're OP? \|: Right now, the only way to play competitively is triple stacked complex damage mods. The fact that it is a necessity makes them OP by the lack of diversity they create. Also, rifles have insane TTK with those things. a jump from 5% damage to 10% increase is just too far. That's like saying a jump from 33 to 66 in shields is too far... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Elitist Ultima Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:22:00 - [17] - Quote bu-nvm... "Meh."
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1262	Posted - 2014.02.22 06:08:00 - [18] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: They are only in a good place because of the current TTK. If they are nerfed, how will I be able to kill people with my sniper rifle? Don't say headshots, because it's really hard to shoot them in the head with a DS3. Also how will the Forge Gun be able to kill tanks? How will the Mass Driver be able to kill the masses...and how will the laser rifle be able to kill...anything. And how will the flaaylock pistol scare people away? I wish the Sniper Rifle rewarded headshots more. Like a 200% critical or 250%. Pistols do 450%!
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1262	Posted - 2014.02.22 06:12:00 - [19] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Where is the info on the damage mod nerf? CCP said they want to change how they work along with the proficiency skills. That's all.
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 120	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:08:00 - [20] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Where is the info on the damage mod nerf? CCP said they want to change how they work along with the proficiency skills. That's all. Right. Less +X% damage on everything and more +X% damage on shields or armour (not both).

bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 120	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:11:00 - [21] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Outside of that, Complex Shield Extenders have always, always, always out-performed Complex Damage Mods since the first day of this game. The players who are aware of this just got sick of posting the math to explain why every single week. So the knowledge seems to have dropped out of the general player base. I don't know... I'd bet on an Assault Scrambled Rifle w Complex Damage Mods versus Complex Shields any day.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2005	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:14:00 - [22] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: Joel II X wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Where is the info on the damage mod nerf? CCP said they want to change how they work along with the proficiency skills. That's all. Right. Less +X% damage on everything and more +X% damage on shields or armour (not both). I may not mind that actually. Different mods for each, could be interesting for builds. KRRROOOOOOM
Heimdallr69 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1622	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:16:00 - [23] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: They are only in a good place because of the current TTK. If they are nerfed, how will I be able to kill people with my sniper rifle? Don't say headshots, because it's really hard to shoot them in the head with a DS3. Also how will the Forge Gun be able to kill tanks? How will the Mass Driver be able to kill the masses...and how will the laser rifle be able to kill...anything. And how will the flaaylock pistol scare people away? I smell a respec, why should I have my sp wasted on something that's going to blow.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 120	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:16:00 - [24] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Are they nerfing damage mods? Damn. But I guess it makes sense if certain groups aren't getting a health bonus but rather a bonus to weapons. Everything Dies wrote: They'll eventually have to buff sniper rifles. As things currently stand, though, it's incredibly unfair (and harmful to the game's future) that new players can up against a person that not only has proficiency 5 (15% damage boost) but then ANOTHER 25% or so damage boost from damage mods. For the record, I run three mods on my sniper and swarm builds, but generally stick to just one for any other suit. Stacking damage mods either needs to have a steeper penalty (as in 10% for one complex, 15% for two and 17.5% for three complex mods) or simply be restricted to only one equipped at a time. For the rest, certain items need to be nerfed (hardeners should reduce damage based on tier) and others buffed (which I believe the MD is going to be in the next update.) I'd argue we need a Marksman or Ranger Dropsuit class that's based on light frames. Extend the distance on the weapon you're using along with the damage potential of certain ranged weapons through racial bonuses, of course. Distance does NOT need to be increased on the Sniper Rifles. I have been a victim of too many >500m shots (some while in full sprint) and have delivered many >400m headshots (with a basic SR) to believe distance needs a buff.
Brolaire of Asstoria Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 216	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:55:00 - [25] - Quote I say just do away with the blasted things... There's enough of a disparity going on with the proto/militia stomp IMO... I hear voices all the time... I just ignore them and keep on killing...
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 274	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:59:00 - [26] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: They are only in a good place because of the current TTK. If they are nerfed, how will I be able to kill people with my sniper rifle? Don't say headshots, because it's really hard to shoot them in the head with a DS3. Also how will the Forge Gun be able to kill tanks? How will the Mass Driver be able to kill the masses...and how will the laser rifle be able to kill...anything. And how will the flaaylock pistol scare people away? Yeah its really kinda stupid reall.All these people crying for getting rid of damage mods are ***** brainless.Wothout damage mods in exsistance you just free up my high slots to do other things like melee or dual tanking. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 4671	Posted - 2014.02.22 08:01:00 - [27] - Quote lowslot for damage mods, more highslot mods. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
bogeyman m Learning Coalition College 122	Posted - 2014.02.22 08:17:00 - [28] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: lowslot for damage mods, more highslot mods. Shield specific Damage Mods in the highs and Armour specific DMs in the lows? (Or vice versa?)
Tectonic Fusion 1095	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:13:00 - [29] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: lowslot for damage mods, more highslot mods. Interesting. I would support this. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 806	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:19:00 - [30] - Quote Hmm interesting point, this is probably the best evidence against a damage mod Nerf. Would a stacking penalty effect these play styles that severely?

Tectonic Fusion 1095	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:23:00 - [31] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Hmm interesting point, this is probably the best evidence against a damage mod Nerf. Would a stacking penalty effect these play styles that severely? It already has a stacking penalty. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 199	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:31:00 - [32] - Quote Go watch some of the older dust videos when the TTK was a lot higher. I think CEO something or another has videos that old. Brings back memories on how bad the game was back then... Even with it's current state tank out performs damage mods but they have to change something right? No wonder 1.8 is delayed so long that TTK shift gonna hurt more then it helps. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3026	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:41:00 - [33] - Quote damage mods are being nerfed because CCP is too lazy to tweak every individual weapon on a case-by-case basis and instead prefers to destroy entire game features through accumulative technical debt and half-assed solutions.
Tectonic Fusion 1095	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:43:00 - [34] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Go watch some of the older dust videos when the TTK was a lot higher. I think CEO something or another has videos that old. Brings back memories on how bad the game was back then... Even with it's current state tank out performs damage mods but they have to change something right? No wonder 1.8 is delayed so long that TTK shift gonna hurt more then it helps. In the old days, tank (especially shield tanking) was the only viable assault role. Now dual tanking will be the only viable thing, and with aim assist still having "magnetic bullets", glass canons AKA minmatar assaults and speed tanking will still be dead. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1772	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:53:00 - [35] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: If they are nerfed, how will I be able to kill people with my sniper rifle? Don't say headshots, because it's really hard to shoot them in the head with a DS3. Get..... good? Sorry, couldn't resist Also, MD buff has been confirmed. Lets hope I can get good with the MD again now I think that The fact that the damage bonus doubles from Enh to Cmp is what makes them so strong. Change the Cmp damage bonus to 7.5%, and that should dial the things down to a reasonable level while still letting Snipers use them to great effect. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Tectonic Fusion 1095	Posted - 2014.02.22 21:55:00 - [36] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: If they are nerfed, how will I be able to kill people with my sniper rifle? Don't say headshots, because it's really hard to shoot them in the head with a DS3. Get..... good? Sorry, couldn't resist Also, MD buff has been confirmed. Lets hope I can get good with the MD again now I think that The fact that the damage bonus doubles from Enh to Cmp is what makes them so strong. Change the Cmp damage bonus to 7.5%, and that should dial the things down to a reasonable level while still letting Snipers use them to great effect. Or buff basic and enhanced as they suck. Seriously, 10% for DAT CPU is fine. Enhanced AND basic aren;t worth it. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Oxskull Duncarino 0uter.Heaven 446	Posted - 2014.02.22 22:00:00 - [37] - Quote CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: have never speced into damage mods or used them. Whats the point? Obviously you've never done much HMG, Forgegun, or Sniper rifle play. I should include the Laser rifle in that mix as it really only shines with damage mods. Damage modules need to be restricted to one per suit , and then all weapons need to be balanced around that fact.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1772	Posted - 2014.02.22 22:01:00 - [38] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: If they are nerfed, how will I be able to kill people with my sniper rifle? Don't say headshots, because it's really hard to shoot them in the head with a DS3. Get..... good? Sorry, couldn't resist Also, MD buff has been confirmed. Lets hope I can get good with the MD again now I think that The fact that the damage bonus doubles from Enh to Cmp is what makes them so strong. Change the Cmp damage bonus to 7.5%, and that should dial the things down to a reasonable level while still letting Snipers use them to great effect. Or buff basic and enhanced as they suck. Seriously, 10% for DAT CPU is fine. Enhanced AND basic aren;t worth it. Basic to 3%, and Enhanced to 5%? Seems alright to me. The issue with Old Players having tons opf SP to throw higher tier gear with more slots at New players would (And needs to be) remedied by tiericiding Suits and Weapons. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1691	Posted - 2014.02.22 22:05:00 - [39] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: I don't know... I'd bet on an Assault Scrambled Rifle w Complex Damage Mods versus Complex Shields any day. You'd go broke betting like that pretty quickly, my good sir. The math has been presented at-length on these forums numerous times. As long as the 72HP you get from a Complex Shield Extender is more than 12% of your suit's total HP, it beats Damage Mods every single time, no matter the weapon. That is the case for every dropsuit except Heavies and brick-tanked proto logistics. And in those cases, Damage Mods and Shield Extenders tie. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 901	Posted - 2014.02.22 22:13:00 - [40] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: If they are nerfed, how will I be able to kill people with my sniper rifle? Don't say headshots, because it's really hard to shoot them in the head with a DS3... Lawl. Speak of a valid argument... PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.

Tectonic Fusion 1095	Posted - 2014.02.22 22:16:00 - [41] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: bogeyman m wrote: I don't know... I'd bet on an Assault Scrambled Rifle w Complex Damage Mods versus Complex Shields any day. You'd go broke betting like that pretty quickly, my good sir. The math has been presented at-length on these forums numerous times. As long as the 72HP you get from a Complex Shield Extender is more than 12% of your suit's total HP, it beats Damage Mods every single time, no matter the weapon. More specifically: if a suit has less than 600 total HP (before choosing your hi-slots), extenders always win. No exceptions. From 600-720 total HP (again before choosing hi-slots), extenders always win except against Scramblers. Above 720 total HP, Damage Mods win depending on the weapon. That's pretty much only Heavies. (Edited to show the exact scenarios where which module wins.) Unless they only shield tank, and you use an AScR with 3 complex AND PROF 5. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1692	Posted - 2014.02.22 22:26:00 - [42] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Unless they only shield tank, and you use an AScR with 3 complex AND PROF 5. Once you start talking different skill levels, things change. But if all else is equal, and the suits would have less than 600 total HP before equipping hi-slots, Shield Extenders win *even then. Goes against common sense, don't it? I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1268	Posted - 2014.02.22 22:50:00 - [43] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: lowslot for damage mods, more highslot mods. Interesting. I would support this. I wouldn't, unless damage mods get split in two: one against armor, one against shields. This way, both styles of tankers can have their tank and gank. High slot against shield. Low slot against armor. If you want both, you'd have to sacrifice tank and dual tanking could still be a thing. However, high slot mods would give like +10% against armor and -5% against shields. Low slot mods would give +10% against shields, but -5% against armor, so you can't really destroy dual tankers. These numbers are not the best, but I just used them as an example. This is the only way I can see damage mods being worked out. This is just my opinion, though.
Tectonic Fusion 1095	Posted - 2014.02.22 22:58:00 - [44] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: lowslot for damage mods, more highslot mods. Interesting. I would support this. I wouldn't, unless damage mods get split in two: one against armor, one against shields. This way, both styles of tankers can have their tank and gank. High slot against shield. Low slot against armor. If you want both, you'd have to sacrifice tank and dual tanking could still be a thing. However, high slot mods would give like +10% against armor and -5% against shields. Low slot mods would give +10% against shields, but -5% against armor, so you can't really destroy dual tankers. These numbers are not the best, but I just used them as an example. This is the only way I can see damage mods being worked out. This is just my opinion, though. So basically dual tank to be competitive? Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 283	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:03:00 - [45] - Quote If they nerf them ok .If they dont ok IMo....matters not. Theyll have to tune up things.It be kinda like starting all over. and there's always the question..... What would happen to AV weps? Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Tectonic Fusion 1095	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:13:00 - [46] - Quote Evicer wrote: If they nerf them ok .If they dont ok IMo....matters not. Theyll have to tune up things.It be kinda like starting all over. and there's always the question..... What would happen to AV weps? If they nerf them, they should also nerf armor plates. Just to be fair for of course. It might actually be a good thing for the game. No more 800 armor guys running around unless they are in a fat suit! Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 287	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:22:00 - [47] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Evicer wrote: If they nerf them ok .If they dont ok IMo....matters not. Theyll have to tune up things.It be kinda like starting all over. and there's always the question..... What would happen to AV weps? If they nerf them, they should also nerf armor plates. Just to be fair for of course. It might actually be a good thing for the game. No more 800 armor guys running around unless they are in a fat suit! nah nerfing plate is not the way .I played this game before hey fixed armor.TTK is decreased by DPS and so I see where I assume you're going with this but stacking plates is a whole other issue. Whats just happening is this high Hp cat is insta popping people he knows are there because of a range of different things like scanners.There is no current duck,dodgeing ,and weaving.The fire fights are non exsistant. Everything now is, scan .....dead. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Galthur Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:27:00 - [48] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: They are only in a good place because of the current TTK. If they are nerfed, how will I be able to kill people with my sniper rifle? Don't say headshots, because it's really hard to shoot them in the head with a DS3. Also how will the Forge Gun be able to kill tanks? How will the Mass Driver be able to kill the masses...and how will the laser rifle be able to kill...anything. And how will the flaaylock pistol scare people away? I wish the Sniper Rifle rewarded headshots more. Like a 200% critical or 250%. Pistols do 450%! Only Scrambler Pistols, because scrambler rounds have a brain 'scrambling effect'. Ask for a Scrambler Sniper Rifle. What do you post in the war room when CCP is gone and PC is locked? 14:44 [CCP]Logibro: Not Anime.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1692	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:40:00 - [49] - Quote Joel II X wrote: High slot against shield. Low slot against armor. If you want both, you'd have to sacrifice tank and dual tanking could still be a thing. Just so you're aware... if you do that, Damage Mods will be completely useless. You'd be better off using Extenders and Plates in those slots 100% of the time, unless you're sitting on top of a tower with a Thale's. On that note, if Damage Mods get moved to the low slot, they would be useless 100% of the time as well. Complex Armor Plates represent more than 12% of every conceivable fit's HP, heavies included, and so it would never make sense to use damage mods. (Again, outside of sniping.) I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 884	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:45:00 - [50] - Quote I've been saying for a long time that CCP needs to re-evaluate the stacking penalty in DUST. They use the same formula as EVE where ships have 6 or 7 slots sometimes. The penalty in DUST needs to be much more severe because we have so fewer numbers of slots. Maybe do that first and then start tweaking other values. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.

ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 1067	Posted - 2014.02.22 23:48:00 - [51] - Quote the problem with this game is better weapons do little extra damage with players relying on skills and damage mods to increase damage. surely we would be better with just significantly better weapons. this then promotes the use of better weapons over cheaper weapons with stacks of mods remove or reduce damage mod use and then there is no reason why not to increase all those damage nerfed weapons of the past. surely its very easy to balance weapons and skills without having to factor in damage mods especially when you factor in shield or armor tanked I will logi the s* out of you https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Tectonic Fusion 1098	Posted - 2014.02.23 01:10:00 - [52] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: I've been saying for a long time that CCP needs to re-evaluate the stacking penalty in DUST. They use the same formula as EVE where ships have 6 or 7 slots sometimes. The penalty in DUST needs to be much more severe because we have so fewer numbers of slots. Maybe do that first and then start tweaking other values. So...basically make it so using only one will be worth it, correct? Then it would be good to give armor plates a like 10% movement penalty because diversity > ALL. Also for every module. And increase TTK so we don't get insta popped. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1274	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:22:00 - [53] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Joel II X wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: lowslot for damage mods, more highslot mods. Interesting. I would support this. I wouldn't, unless damage mods get split in two: one against armor, one against shields. This way, both styles of tankers can have their tank and gank. High slot against shield. Low slot against armor. If you want both, you'd have to sacrifice tank and dual tanking could still be a thing. However, high slot mods would give like +10% against armor and -5% against shields. Low slot mods would give +10% against shields, but -5% against armor, so you can't really destroy dual tankers. These numbers are not the best, but I just used them as an example. This is the only way I can see damage mods being worked out. This is just my opinion, though. So basically dual tank to be competitive? That would have it's flaws by reduced movement and lower shield regen. But hey, community wants longer TTK. You can't have both damage and or armor without penalties. Also, moving damage mods from high to low won't solve anything. It'll just make shield tanking with damage mods a thing. What I proposed was the best I could come up with. If you have a better idea, I'd love to hear it. It also went with the purposed idea of changing how the weapons function AND increasing efficiency on the "natural" damage dealt. Seems like a good idea to me.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1274	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:24:00 - [54] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: I've been saying for a long time that CCP needs to re-evaluate the stacking penalty in DUST. They use the same formula as EVE where ships have 6 or 7 slots sometimes. The penalty in DUST needs to be much more severe because we have so fewer numbers of slots. Maybe do that first and then start tweaking other values. So...basically make it so using only one will be worth it, correct? Then it would be good to give armor plates a like 10% movement penalty because diversity > ALL. Also for every module. And increase TTK so we don't get insta popped. You seem to be turning down a lot of ideas, but not offering alternatives...
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1274	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:26:00 - [55] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Joel II X wrote: High slot against shield. Low slot against armor. If you want both, you'd have to sacrifice tank and dual tanking could still be a thing. Just so you're aware... if you do that, Damage Mods will be completely useless. You'd be better off using Extenders and Plates in those slots 100% of the time, unless you're sitting on top of a tower with a Thale's. On that note, if Damage Mods get moved to the low slot, they would be useless 100% of the time as well. Complex Armor Plates represent more than 12% of every conceivable fit's HP, heavies included, and so it would never make sense to use damage mods. (Again, outside of sniping.) Don't know how else you can fix them besides having a tougher stacking penalty like Alltina said.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3268	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:01:00 - [56] - Quote Because one complex damage amplifier = 3-4 levels of proficiency. Bojo - Adding chili powder to your experience since early times
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 686	Posted - 2014.02.23 08:40:00 - [57] - Quote It's partially how Dust does math, handling each skill and mod as a completely separate factor that leads to increasingly high numbers...way too high when you include proficiency. Also, it's a dmg increase per bullet. Weapons with high rofs reap huge rewards. High Alpha weapons suffer because they don't have the rof to take full advantage. Heres an example: consider a weapon with base 100 dmg, lvl 5 proficiency, and 2 dmg mods. Here's the math: 1001.151.10(1+(0.10.869))=137.5. Put into rof terms you essentially gain 1/3 more rof. A combat rifle now fires 26 rds (worth of damage) a second (instead of 20) or 360 more a minute. An HMG now fires 53 rds a second (instead of 40) or 780 more rds a minute. The poor sniper only fires 2.2 rds a sec for a tactical (instead of 1.67) or 33 more rounds a minute. So in essence you give huge benefits to high rof weapons, with much less gained for high alpha weapons. Weapons without proficiency or without dmg increase prof are screwed. Now what do you balance around?
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 888	Posted - 2014.02.23 09:08:00 - [58] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: It's partially how Dust does math, handling each skill and mod as a completely separate factor that leads to increasingly high numbers...way too high when you include proficiency. Also, it's a dmg increase per bullet. Weapons with high rofs reap huge rewards. High Alpha weapons suffer because they don't have the rof to take full advantage. Heres an example: consider a weapon with base 100 dmg, lvl 5 proficiency, and 2 dmg mods. Here's the math: 1001.151.10(1+(0.10.869))=137.5. Put into rof terms you essentially gain 1/3 more rof. A combat rifle now fires 26 rds (worth of damage) a second (instead of 20) or 360 more a minute. An HMG now fires 53 rds a second (instead of 40) or 780 more rds a minute. The poor sniper only fires 2.2 rds a sec for a tactical (instead of 1.67) or 33 more rounds a minute. So in essence you give huge benefits to high rof weapons, with much less gained for high alpha weapons. Weapons without proficiency or without dmg increase prof are screwed. Now what do you balance around? ROF doesn't make any difference when it comes to damage mods. 10% boost to damage is 10% boost to DPS no matter the ROF. So once you get all the various weapon's DPS where it needs to be damage mods will equal out as well. Problem now is the DPS on the RR is so far above other weapons it throws the whole thing out of balance. Running a blaster tank in ambush is like bringing Anthrax to a pillow fight.


Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online/DUST514, the EVE/DUST514 logo, EVE/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to OMG Labs to use EVE Online/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, OMG Labs. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.