Just cut down it's effective range maybe? It's too damned accurate at range or closer in my experience, and has become a win button pretty much as the SCR's were. Drop the accuracy and maybe it will balance better.

Damn thing is almost a sniper rifle.....

AAAAND your wrong

my combat rifle trumps rail rifles at everything except extreme long range...

my duvolle trumps rail rifles at extreme close range

i hate the scrambler rifle so i dont use it someone else fill in this blank.


so if every rifle has a way to counter it.... it cant be OP now STFU your dieing to it because your bad.

heres a hint.... strafe back and fourth while shooting and the RR misses half its shots...

AAAAND your wrong

my combat rifle trumps rail rifles at everything except extreme long range...

my duvolle trumps rail rifles at extreme close range

i hate the scrambler rifle so i dont use it someone else fill in this blank.


so if every rifle has a way to counter it.... it cant be OP now STFU your dieing to it because your bad.

heres a hint.... strafe back and fourth while shooting and the RR misses half its shots...

The combat rifle competes with the rail because it can achieve a higher DPS rating (balanced)

The duvolle can only compete with standard and sometimes advanced rails, but the kaal can easily beat a duvolle. The only time I can say a duvolle beats a Kaal is if the duvolle user has higher HP and more damage mods that the kaal user and they are within the duvolles range. But in a match vs a duvolle and a kaal with the same HP and same damage output the kaal would win most of the time.

The Scrambler rifle can best any gun if the user can control his overheat and not use the charged shot as a "iwin" button. In a 1v1 the charged shot is usually best as a finisher when you break your opponents cover. To counter it well you can't.

And move back in forth? Do you mean move side to side? As far as I know you can't dodge bullets if you are standing straight in front of the enemy, so I am curious as to how this works.

i can dodge bullets all i want.... you just need to learn to dance like we used to before chrome....

the new RR plays like the old duvolle with max sharpshooter but with a lower ROF making its easyer to dodge and every dodge is a bigger loss of dps.

their hipfire has better tracking for CQC but isnt terribly great mid-long, and while ADS the rifle has horrid tracking in compairison to the other rifles and is alot easyer to dance around as long as you understand how to keep a tempt and dance around the shots.... the reason its called a dance of death is every move has to be in perfect timing, plus if they have AA on you can freak out their aim assist and they just cant hit you at all.

Sure the RR is not an instant win button, if you are a smarter and better player you can always beat a RR but if you encounter someone of equal skill pure weapon performance comes to pay and here has the RR a clear advantage.

BTW if you can outdance the RR outdancing the CR should be even easier and it will hurt the CR user way more then the RR user. Every burst that misses is a lot of damage and the CR only has 18 burts available...

SCR hits harder than the rail ever could so.... enough about the rail. My opinion, logis should use rr cause its perfect for them and them only, scouts use cr and gek/shotty, assaults use ARs and SCR.

the combat rifle has better tracking its harder to dance around, in addition to that it isnt automatic, meaning it doesnt have a set tempo you can use to move properly to, combat rifles arnt as easly to danbce around, they were instead made for dancing because you can time your shots to when you want them rather then having them timed for you.

outdancing the combat rifle is HARDER because it doesnt have a set ROF and instead is dependant on the shooter for timing.

you dance based off ROF timing.

you should be weaving back and fourth in time to the beat of their drum so to speak, and the RR has teh slowest beat and is therefore the easyerst to dance to. the CR has whatever beat you give it, and so you cant predict what tempo to dance to to make them miss.

when i encounter someone of equal skill me with my CR and them with the RR.... i win because im winmatar with a winmatar rifle, a dancing suit with a dancing mans weapon.

Well, no. You win because you've got far higher DPS and are skilled enough to apply it. At 50+ metres there is no dancing; that RR will gib you.

And against anything bar a CR, ScR, HMG? That RR is utterly dominant. Even Shotty can't compete, because his suit gets three-shotted.

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

well theres your problem at 50+ meters you dun screwed up and shouldnt be fighting a RR int he first place, hence you died not because the rifle is OP or better but because you handed the advantage to them and therefore suck.

shotty competes just fine on a scout, because if people are shooting at you, you screwed up.


im noticing a theme, anything that gets killed by a RR is worse then a RR correct? when really its you dun screwed up and got out played. i dont have issues with RR users, at any range, with any weapon, in any suit. and when they kill me its because i screwed up, not because the rifle is OP.

OP is something that is without a reasonable counter, or is the most efficiant and useful thing to the point where it overshadows everything else. the railrifle is neither of those things. hilariously enough you yourself stated that the ScR and the CR are both very competant rivles to the weapon.

the plasma rifle is just underused right now not underpowered, used by anyone who understands the gun mechanics it still beats out the RR in CqC assuming equal skill.

any engagement i fight with someone of equal or greater skill to me is usually decided by a facter that ISNT the gun we are using, its either positioning, opening play, granade, supiror numbers, or supirior movement that wins the fight, what gun we are using just determines where the fight is taking place and how we are going to interact with each other throughout the fight and generally has no effect on who will win or lose. wich tells me that the rifles are all VERY balanced between each other right now.


the only people who think the RR is overpowered are people who greatly overestimate their personal skill level in relation to their opponents.

thats unfortunate.... can you reverse that because it honestly diddnt need a nerf and im afraid that its going to end up losing its only advantages and end up the way of the LR.

this is coming from someone who fights against them more then uses them.

I have to disagree regarding the SG and the AR. Even a proto SG is barely able to oneshot anything above standard suits, and normally you are dead in a scout suit if you allow you opponent to turn around (well unless he is a way weaker player).

The AR is in fact still a good weapon but it is the weakest Rifle overall and starnge enough one of the weakest assault varianst as well (don't get started on the other variants).

Oh and I don't believe the RR is OP because I get killed by it, I think its OP because I use it and don't feel the need to use anything else. It works excellent at range and it is good to very good in cqc it offers simply the most of all rifles with little to no drawback...

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

thats unfortunate.... can you reverse that because it honestly diddnt need a nerf and im afraid that its going to end up losing its only advantages and end up the way of the LR.

this is coming from someone who fights against them more then uses them.

If nearly EVERYONE is using the weapon it must be new.

fixed that for ya

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

OMG the RR is not OP. Everytime something gets kills its Op. Maybe yall just suck at being tactical. The SR been OP but do you think its ever gon get a nerf HELL NO its not its sad that the game I love to play is getting watered down every update because instead of players adjusting to in game situations they cry about OP this and OP that and makeing this game WACK. Its not easy to use that RR it jumps around like crazy and you only got 42 in the clip nerf this nerf that whats the point of even deploying new weapons. I can bet you this though most of these crybabies havent even put no money in to the game to show support but they sure complain the most. Ive done spent way more money than I ever have in any game in my life and I don't understand terms like "proto stomping" what is that really aome body who plays this game better than you??? I die a bunch by all types of weapons and equipment and its not the RR thats killing me because to dont put myself in situations where the RR would have an affective line of site on me, but to avoid the RR (which I use everyday) I run in to the CR and AR in the tight spaces I die we all die and we die alot its says it right there I movie. All im saying is I adjust to the battle and maps and the flow of the reds I play the game I dint want the easy way out CCP reputation is not "we make easy games" this game is tough and its not for most people, New Eden was heading into the future but with all these buffs and nerfs seems like we on a treadmill.

I use to have a problem with tanks but I leveled up my AV grenades and now if I cant kill a tank at least those EX-11 a run him off for a few. I adjusted to the game why cant you do the same. We should be further down the road in this game with features and the goodies we were promised those many years ago when the first trailer was shown.

PS. Just because you have a proto suit your base pg and cpu wont allow you to fit your dropsuit properly to be an official Proto, your basically running a 62k advance suit its not the weapons being OP.

CCP disregard all these slow people and keep the RR just the way it is. They just wanna be like the "Jones" think about not dying instead of killing and see how far you will go.

The rail rifle is running rampant.
It is by far the most used weapon in the game. Its like noob tubes were back in MW2. You just hear that gun going off non-stop, because 30/32 players in the match are using it. Its not necessarily OP because of the damage it outputs, but because of the ease of use to achieve that DPS.

The fact that a FULLY AUTOMATIC weapon can do a base of 55 damage(starting) is down right nonsensical. If you do the numbers with the basic models of the weapons, you'll see the Rail Rifle is outstanding.

Damage-Per-Second (DPS)

Assault Rifle- 400
Assault Scrambler Rifle- 444
Assault Combat Rifle- 440
Assault Rail Rifle- 450

Breach Assault Rifle- 340
Rail Rifle- 423 83 DPS more than its counterpart; unbalanced.

It wouldn't be so bad, but it's effective range is the highest of the rifles, and it has a amazingly accurate hipfire also making it just as effective as any rifle at very close range.

The only rifle that can compete with either Rail Rifle is the Tactical Scrambler Rifle, because of the amount of alpha damage it can produce.
Tactical Scrambler Rifle- 847

However, the TacSCR is impossible to achieve that DPS without a modded controller. Just like the Combat Rifle has a DPS of 640. The 1200 rpm on the CR is impossible to achieve.

Granted as well, all DPS statistics can only be applied to full automatic weapons, and with the intent that every bullet hits. But it would appear that dispersion on the rifles is exactly the same as tested by players.

The Laser Rifle was new in Chromosome.
It wasn't widely used until the very end of Chromosome.

The Plasma Cannon was new.
It still isn't widely used.

The Scrambler Rifle was new in 1.0
It wasn't widely used right out of the box.

Your argument is bad. The RR and CR are OP.

Rrs were fine. The problem was the losers using 3 proto damage mods so you could kill people with 7-8 bullets.
Basic rr by itself with no mods is fine.

The CR isn't as OP as people think. Firing the burst variant while scoped gives crazy kick if you don't pace out the trigger squeezes. The Assault variant does less DPS then the AR but what makes it appear more powerful is that the AR does 110% damage vs shields and 90% damage vs armor were as the CR does 90% to shields and 110% to armor. Most of the game armor tanks their suits making the CR the better choice. If people start shield tanking the AR would be the better choice.

"It isn't the gun, its the damage mods!" We've seen this argument before.

You are mostly correct. The CR is still OP simply because it is in the 'rifle' class of weapons, just like the other rifles. Judging by what we've heard from CCP, I get the impression that all the rifles will get nerfed in 1.8 though, so this might not be an issue.
The CR also does 95% shield damage, not 90%.

Rrs were fine. The problem was the losers using 3 proto damage mods so you could kill people with 7-8 bullets.
Basic rr by itself with no mods is fine.

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

Wouldn't a higher spool up time have been enough to nerf the rail rifle?

That's okay provided you're also nerfing ScR and CR. Even now a skilled ScR or CR user destroys a (similarly skilled) RR user at anything except long range.

The basic issue is that those three weapons outclass everything else. In particular, AR needs to be the go-to for short range and LR the go-to for long range. At present they are dominated even in their supposed niches.

CR is getting nerfed, no idea about the SCR

So if I use 3 proto damage mods with a Tac-AR It will be OP? That must be why so many use the Tac-AR too.

So if I use 3 proto damage mods with a Tac-AR It will be OP? That must be why so many use the Tac-AR too.

Source for CR nerf?

Keep in mind this isn't the only change to rifles, and this is part of the larger effort to tackle the TTK problem. We'll have more details soon.

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon.

I hope HMG and SMG (magsec included) are part of this balance pass or you are working in vain and just shifting OP'ness to another area.

Damage-Per-Second (DPS)[/u]

Assault Rifle- 400
Assault Scrambler Rifle- 444
Assault Combat Rifle- 440
Assault Rail Rifle- 450

Breach Assault Rifle- 340
Rail Rifle- 423 83 DPS more than its counterpart; unbalanced.

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon.

The Laser Rifle was new in Chromosome.
It wasn't widely used until the very end of Chromosome.

The Plasma Cannon was new.
It still isn't widely used.

The Scrambler Rifle was new in 1.0
It wasn't widely used right out of the box.

Your argument is bad. The RR and CR are OP.

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon.

Clearly CCP does not understands the real problem with rifle, which are the ridiculous efficiency at ranges, you cannot have a weapon what was meant as a long range weapon being so good at CQC or a short range weapon being so good at medium range.

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon.

i agree with eveything except for this part. the breach assault rifle is supposed to be inferior to the rail rifle because breach-style is a calari trademark. each races is suppsed to have a weapon that mimics another racial weapon (promised, but not yet implemented. i.e. breach scrambler rifle), but they are supposed to be inferior to the real thing. take the tactical assault rifle vs. the scrambler rifle. the scrambler rifle is a tactical-type gun, and is superior to the tactical assault rifle for two primary reasons:

1. the ability to charge a shot that does an OP amount of damage
2. longer range and beter accuracy.

the only advantage the tactical assault rifle has over the scrambler rifle is inability to overheat. and once you get used to the scrambler rifle, its pretty rare to kill yourself with it. PLUS, if you use Amarr suits with it, the laser overheat damage is reduced.

The Galente AR was OP from 1.2- 1.8. honestly a galente AR can still rip through a heavy in 2 seconds. I did the math before and it still applies. and EVERYONE WAS USING ONE. so, yeah, there are only 2 solutions.

either A:
nerf ALL ASSAULT RILFES TO BRING THEM IN LINE WITH BALANCE
buff ALL OTHER WEAPONS TO MAKE THEM IN LINE wITH BALANCE

Clearly CCP does not understands the real problem with rifle, which are the ridiculous efficiency at ranges, you cannot have a weapon what was meant as a long range weapon being so good at CQC or a short range weapon being so good at medium range.


The new sidearms and the pre-made aurum fits are a clear demonstration of how CCP can't understand it's own game.

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon.

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon.

I will admit that I may be a little biased here, because I love the idea of a caldari rifle that kicks ass, but I think to balance the close range issue ( which is supposed to be the AR's and CR's turf) would be to increase hipfire spread and increase charge time. Also add more cover to maps so that you can close in on RR users. BUT I still want to be able to slay you from 100 meters out with my Kaalakota Rail rifle


.... but the talk of the good old nerf bat... wtf!? just because everyone uses it? I get dropped more quickly by combat rifles. And who cares? The only thing that could use the nerf bat is ScR, but don't ruin it to the point of being of no use like the laser rifle was. I think the TTK over all needs to be raised. Buncha wussies.

The rail rifle is running rampant.
It is by far the most used weapon in the game. Its like noob tubes were back in MW2. You just hear that gun going off non-stop, because 30/32 players in the match are using it. Its not necessarily OP because of the damage it outputs, but because of the ease of use to achieve that DPS.

The fact that a FULLY AUTOMATIC weapon can do a base of 55 damage(starting) is down right nonsensical. If you do the numbers with the basic models of the weapons, you'll see the Rail Rifle is outstanding.

Damage-Per-Second (DPS)

Assault Rifle- 400
Assault Scrambler Rifle- 444
Assault Combat Rifle- 440
Assault Rail Rifle- 450

Breach Assault Rifle- 340
Rail Rifle- 423 83 DPS more than its counterpart; unbalanced.

It wouldn't be so bad, but it's effective range is the highest of the rifles, and it has a amazingly accurate hipfire also making it just as effective as any rifle at very close range.

The only rifle that can compete with either Rail Rifle is the Tactical Scrambler Rifle, because of the amount of alpha damage it can produce.
Tactical Scrambler Rifle- 847

However, the TacSCR is impossible to achieve that DPS without a modded controller. Just like the Combat Rifle has a DPS of 640. The 1200 rpm on the CR is impossible to achieve.

Granted as well, all DPS statistics can only be applied to full automatic weapons, and with the intent that every bullet hits. But it would appear that dispersion on the rifles is exactly the same as tested by players.

Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion.

Also, the Rail Rifle is getting hit with the nerf bat and will have lower damage in 1.8

(You're welcome)

EDIT: Since lots of people aren't reading my later post, this is just one change among many. Details soon.