Correct, the skills effectiveness portion of the RPG effect is exactly the reason you are able to compete in BPO gear.

Ummm, so you got better and better every week, while accruing and spending SP? Or did you not spend any in that time and get better because of practice alone? I'd be betting of the first option, but feel free to correct me.

Let me ask you this. How many skill points do you have and how long have you been playing? Personally I have just over 13Mil, and am able to be competitive in advanced and standard gear. This is because of a combination of skill at the game, and the effectiveness boost I get from having 13Mil SP, which objectively improves every suit, weapon, and module I use.

If you've been playing for more than 6 months, you started with less than a 20Mil SP deficiency to top tier players. If you started 9 months ago, that deficiency was less than 10Mil, and you never suffered the relentless proto stomping that new players are subject to. Current new players start with a deficiency of over 40Mil SP, and hundreds of millions of ISK. Passing that disadvantage off as a 'get gud' issue is disingenuous at best, and comparing your experience with the game to that of current new players is laughable.

Then keep on laughing..

I-¦m one of the beta guys. Have twenty something million skill points and more isk than I need. Been here done that. Seen it all.

Where did I compare my skills with new players in this thread? I-¦m talking out of experience here. The best way to start winning is gaining skills on the battlefield. Is this hard to understand?

And this is why I win 9 out of 10 of my matches running around (most of the time) in my Dragonfly suit using my Blueprint Assault rifle and Drop Uplinks?

Was I imagining things when I ran around for 6 months in a basic suit without any shields or armor getting better and better every week?

Please.. Stop talking nonsense. The top skillsters playing Dust can take you down naked.

First off, those are just words and we have to take your honor on that. If you truly won 9 out of 10 matches with that particular type of suit, post a youtube video on this thread so we can see that your honoring your words. Show us your fitting in battle screen than deploy yourself with that fit and prove it. otherwise i could tell you I got 20 wins last night and never died while running rambo on the field with only 5 million SP against a full team of Nysian Chan or how ever you spell it.

Proto Stomping is so annoying now. I got 5 million lifetime SP and still can't defend myself. It cost nearly 3 million SP to get proto dropsuits, another 1 million for every module you'll need to make that dropsuit even viable (more skill points depending on certain modules). Than your looking at weaponry which adds up to be well into 2 and half million SP for just getting a weapon but if you need more damage or dispersion control which adds another million per skill. which nears up to 11 million nessecary skill points to compete.... Thats pretty much 11 months of consistent playing because its pretty much 1 month to get 1 million skill points. Unless you drop your cash for every booster out there which can add up for a incomplete game, considering all the content not available right now.

Even if you stick to a squad, unless that squad is decked out in full proto like the opponent you better off just hanging out in redline because thats what the end result will be like.


Truth be told its not the players fault or CCPs design for Skill points or weapons... Its the god damn filtering of matches fitting us against people we can't compete with because they have simply better gear and we cannot avoid them or choose to do battles with our skill levels.

Give player a option to choose their battles through a lobby system for gods sake.

Yes, matchmaking definitely needs work but please consider that most players that are around the 15-25mil SP were bent over when they were new, whether it was HMGs with 50m effective range, laser rifles that melted you faster than you could press a button, excessive spawn camping, snipers that could cover the entire map or rail tanks camping on the mountain peak on the manus peak map, dust has always been a ***** for new players.

Can't see this changing.

And this is why I win 9 out of 10 of my matches running around (most of the time) in my Dragonfly suit using my Blueprint Assault rifle and Drop Uplinks?

Was I imagining things when I ran around for 6 months in a basic suit without any shields or armor getting better and better every week?

Please.. Stop talking nonsense. The top skillsters playing Dust can take you down naked.

Yes, matchmaking definitely needs work but please consider that most players that are around the 15-25mil SP were bent over when they were new, whether it was HMGs with 50m effective range, laser rifles that melted you faster than you could press a button, excessive spawn camping, snipers that could cover the entire map or rail tanks camping on the mountain peak on the manus peak map, dust has always been a ***** for new players.

Can't see this changing.

No it doesn't. Battlefield effectiveness is determined by skill, gear effectiveness (SP), and gear quality (ISK). Only one of these is able to be directly controlled by the player, the other two are determined by passive and active accrual. Telling people that they just need to get better is wrong. They may already be as good as the people they're fighting, but unable to compete due to the effect of SP and ISK.

The RPG effect

And this is why I win 9 out of 10 of my matches running around (most of the time) in my Dragonfly suit using my Blueprint Assault rifle and Drop Uplinks?

Was I imagining things when I ran around for 6 months in a basic suit without any shields or armor getting better and better every week?

Please.. Stop talking nonsense. The top skillsters playing Dust can take you down naked.

Thats for sure there are other aspects as well like map knowledge ans such. But yu have also to consider that even "naked" veterans have roughly 25% base health and 15 damage out of the box without any modules this can even go further when they use modules as shieldextenders and plates are boosted by another 10% etc.

So in short high SP will give yu a great advantage regardless of gear if you now throw in the better gear as well...

Proto Stomping is so annoying now. I got 5 million lifetime SP and still can't defend myself. It cost nearly 3 million SP to get proto dropsuits, another 1 million for every module you'll need to make that dropsuit even viable (more skill points depending on certain modules). Than your looking at weaponry which adds up to be well into 2 and half million SP for just getting a weapon but if you need more damage or dispersion control which adds another million per skill. which nears up to 11 million nessecary skill points to compete.... Thats pretty much 11 months of consistent playing because its pretty much 1 month to get 1 million skill points. Unless you drop your cash for every booster out there which can add up for a incomplete game, considering all the content not available right now.

Even if you stick to a squad, unless that squad is decked out in full proto like the opponent you better off just hanging out in redline because thats what the end result will be like.


Truth be told its not the players fault or CCPs design for Skill points or weapons... Its the god damn filtering of matches fitting us against people we can't compete with because they have simply better gear and we cannot avoid them or choose to do battles with our skill levels.

Give player a option to choose their battles through a lobby system for gods sake.

Proto Stomping is so annoying now. I got 5 million lifetime SP and still can't defend myself. It cost nearly 3 million SP to get proto dropsuits, another 1 million for every module you'll need to make that dropsuit even viable (more skill points depending on certain modules). Than your looking at weaponry which adds up to be well into 2 and half million SP for just getting a weapon but if you need more damage or dispersion control which adds another million per skill. which nears up to 11 million nessecary skill points to compete.... Thats pretty much 11 months of consistent playing because its pretty much 1 month to get 1 million skill points. Unless you drop your cash for every booster out there which can add up for a incomplete game, considering all the content not available right now.

Even if you stick to a squad, unless that squad is decked out in full proto like the opponent you better off just hanging out in redline because thats what the end result will be like.


Truth be told its not the players fault or CCPs design for Skill points or weapons... Its the god damn filtering of matches fitting us against people we can't compete with because they have simply better gear and we cannot avoid them or choose to do battles with our skill levels.

Give player a option to choose their battles through a lobby system for gods sake.

So what?

We all had to go through a learning curve. We all had to work for our skill points. Dust is a long run and it takes time to build. Unlike other shooters you will keep your skillpoints and awards forever. This is awesome unlike other shooters where you lose everything when a new version of the game comes out.

Take it on the chin and get to work. You will all get there in the end.