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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 4366	Posted - 2014.02.03 20:48:00 - [1] - Quote The reason most of us ratified the wait with is:" At least they are taking their time with these weapons so they aren't unbalanced or terrible." boy were we ***** wrong Those two weapons got delayed twice** because it wasn't where they wanted it... Let that sink in for a second.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1975	Posted - 2014.02.03 20:51:00 - [2] - Quote The rail rifle is the only OP one. High range and high damage, with a pointless charge time to be an attempt at balance, lol. Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
jinn ko82 Deep Space Dangerous Logistics 1	Posted - 2014.02.03 20:51:00 - [3] - Quote either i really REALLY suck at the combat rifle or it does not work that well for me. same with the rail rifle, i am either very good at using it or it just rapes when i use it and i almost never die by them.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 659	Posted - 2014.02.03 20:51:00 - [4] - Quote THEY WANTED TO OUTMODE THE BPO STUFF ALL ALONG. Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) Selling SP: 10k SP per 100k ISK.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 715	Posted - 2014.02.03 20:53:00 - [5] - Quote Since when are we taking CCP words at face value? Let that sink in for a second.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 4366	Posted - 2014.02.03 20:54:00 - [6] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: The rail rifle is the only OP one. High range and high damage, with a pointless charge time to be an attempt at balance, lol. I've seen the same exact post but replace RR with CR. One things for sure, Aint nobody complaining about the Plasma AR anymore which everybody said was OP a month ago and both CR and RR are better than it. That says it all right there.
xSir Campsalotx G0DS AM0NG MEN 99	Posted - 2014.02.03 20:59:00 - [7] - Quote CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 4368	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:14:00 - [8] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said Seriously. I was all for an Assault Rifle fix but now people are saying it needs a buff to compete with the RR and CR which put it to shame. If a former OP weapon gets outshined by another weapon, using common sense, what does that say about the latter weapon Also completely forget about using another weapon that doesn't have the name "Rifle" in it.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 670	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:15:00 - [9] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: The rail rifle is the only OP one. High range and high damage, with a pointless charge time to be an attempt at balance, lol. I've seen the same exact post but replace RR with CR. One things for sure, Aint nobody complaining about the Plasma AR anymore which everybody said was OP a month ago and both CR and RR are better than it. That says it all right there. (RR and CR) > (Other Rifles) > (Everything Else). Rifles are still OP that hasn't changed.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 577	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:16:00 - [10] - Quote CCP has yet to release a balanced weapon or equipment in a new patch...Flaylocks were OP, Scrambler Rifles were somewhat OP, Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle are OP, Active Scanners are OP. Except the Plasma Cannon, that thing never had a chance from the get go.

Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 31	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:16:00 - [11] - Quote jinn ko82 wrote: either i really REALLY suck at the combat rifle or it does not work that well for me. same with the rail rifle, i am either very good at using it or it just rapes when i use it and i almost never die by them. I believe the issue is with the Assault variations that are full auto. They become overpowered. I rarely see anyone play with the non-assault combat rifles.
Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 31	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:17:00 - [12] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: CCP has yet to release a balanced weapon or equipment in a new patch...Flaylocks were OP, Scrambler Rifles were somewhat OP, Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle are OP, Active Scanners are OP. Except the Plasma Cannon, that thing never had a chance from the get go. I tried a Plasma Cannon to see if I wanted my skill points to go into it, and I've concluded everything I can already use is much much much better.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 4368	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:17:00 - [13] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: CCP has yet to release a balanced weapon or equipment in a new patch...Flaylocks were OP, Scrambler Rifles were somewhat OP, Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle are OP, Active Scanners are OP. Except the Plasma Cannon, that thing never had a chance from the get go. Small Rails have never been viable up until 1.7. When Active Scanners First came out there had to be removed from the game entirely becausethey didn't work at all.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6537	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:18:00 - [14] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: The rail rifle is the only OP one. High range and high damage, with a pointless charge time to be an attempt at balance, lol. Disagree with that the CR is pin point accurate out to about 60m with ridiculous DPS. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Auld Syne 157	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:20:00 - [15] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: The rail rifle is the only OP one. High range and high damage, with a pointless charge time to be an attempt at balance, lol. Said the Combat Rifle user.
Squagga The State Protectorate 123	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:21:00 - [16] - Quote The weapon you're currently using is either perfectly balanced or UP Reloading, the silent killer.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2164	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:42:00 - [17] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said Seriously. I was all for an Assault Rifle fix but now people are saying it needs a buff to compete with the RR and CR which put it to shame. If a former OP weapon gets outshined by another weapon, using common sense, what does that say about the latter weapon Also completely forget about using another weapon that doesn't have the name "Rifle" in it. What about Laser rifles? Listen I'll change the song every week
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 546	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:47:00 - [18] - Quote Since day 1 of the new weapons it has been clear both are too good But that is the case with all 4 variants of AR , denying this is just ignorance All AR weapons need toning down Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Onesimus Tarsus 1060	Posted - 2014.02.03 21:49:00 - [19] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said I'm putting in the predictive placeholder QQ for the up-and-coming fully automatic no-drift sniper rifles that slay in CQC. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care. Matchmaking by KDR proximity. :)
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 4369	Posted - 2014.02.03 22:06:00 - [20] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said I'm putting in the predictive placeholder QQ for the up-and-coming fully automatic no-drift sniper rifles that slay in CQC. You know CCP is thinking about it. Just a second ago I was making fun of CCP on skype saying: Quote: [3:47:07 PM] J.G.Kirk: Hey they delayed the RR and CR twice and they still ****** it up so they might as well bring it out cause they can't fix anything uness they have our input on it [3:47:57 PM] J.G.Kirk: CCP- "damn, a 100m lightsabre that insta kills anybody? It sounded cool on paper" [3:48:54 PM] Wolfica: Lol. Um laser rifle from chrome? [3:50:12 PM] J.G.Kirk: Damn and I was joking about that Even when I'm making fun of CCP being ridiculous they still manage to live up to my ridiculous satire.

Squagga The State Protectorate 124	Posted - 2014.02.03 22:18:00 - [21] - Quote Alright, in all seriousness. What's your main weapon and why do you think it's underpowered, in comparison to the rifles? Reloading, the silent killer.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1516	Posted - 2014.02.03 22:19:00 - [22] - Quote I dusted off my Boundless combat rifle and I would hit someone once or twice and it would lag for a sec then they would instantly die and I would see a plus 50 and the Six Kin is a submachine gun on steroids. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 4375	Posted - 2014.02.03 22:26:00 - [23] - Quote Squagga wrote: Alright, in all seriousness. What's your main weapon and why do you think it's underpowered, in comparison to the rifles? My main weapon in Pubs are the plasma cannon and Plasma Rifle Secondary is the shotgun. Those are all pretty self explanatory.
Squagga The State Protectorate 124	Posted - 2014.02.03 22:34:00 - [24] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Squagga wrote: Alright, in all seriousness. What's your main weapon and why do you think it's underpowered, in comparison to the rifles? My main weapon in Pubs are the plasma cannon and Plasma Rifle Secondary is the shotgun. Those are all pretty self explanatory. Whelp I can appreciate using a rocket launcher as a main. I will agree that it's very difficult to use, also I've been gone awhile so I don't know what changes have been made to it. Again I've been out of the loop. When you say plasma rifle, you mean the Gallente AR? Reloading, the silent killer.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1831	Posted - 2014.02.03 22:47:00 - [25] - Quote RR changed 3 times. Don't forget CCP originally put the spool time at 0.2 and changed it when we pointed out that was clearly OP. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 1519	Posted - 2014.02.03 23:14:00 - [26] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Squagga wrote: Alright, in all seriousness. What's your main weapon and why do you think it's underpowered, in comparison to the rifles? My main weapon in Pubs are the plasma cannon and Plasma Rifle Secondary is the shotgun. Those are all pretty self explanatory. Damn it must suck to be you. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4363	Posted - 2014.02.03 23:23:00 - [27] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: (RR and CR) > (Other Rifles) > (Everything Else). Rifles are still OP that hasn't changed. Funny , im a pretty average player and i never have problems with RR or CR. I use a CDR-9 Scrambler rifle on a 400 HP amarr assault. Maybe because i dont run foolishly in the open...just maybe...... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG \| YOU EITHER LOVE BACON OR YOU ARE WRONG
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1182	Posted - 2014.02.03 23:30:00 - [28] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: The reason most of us ratified the wait with is:" At least they are taking their time with these weapons so they aren't unbalanced or terrible." boy were we ***** wrong Those two weapons got delayed twice** because it wasn't where they wanted it... Let that sink in for a second. I am not surprised. Yeah, you mean like in November when I said the RR has too good of accuracy and thus asked why a long range weapon had such good CQC?? results: got told to STFU by Iron Wolf Saber saying how was I able to know if the 1.7 build was not deployed yet. In November I posted about tanks outrunning swarms. results: got called a liar by many. In November I posted the laser was going to be DEAD in 1.7 results: got called a liar. I even posted about specific fedback subforums and got a blue response saying it was a good idea. results: nothing. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 719	Posted - 2014.02.03 23:38:00 - [29] - Quote I guess my broad question would be are we really talking about nerfing the CR and RR or do we just need to increase the ARs DPS in CQC? I also notice that not many folks are bleating about the SCR...that weapon can still fillet a proto dropsuit in a heartbeat. I'm also pretty sure that if the AR gets a head start on the RR due to the charge time and in real terms delivers more DPS for for the first magazine...anybody calculating that in? I can't see the need to support any buff / nerfs till we get all the equipment, weapons, dropsuits w/ new stats and perks in. I would actually like to see full racial suites of gear and balance things out in a more holistic fashion. We are focusing waaay too much on simple manipulating stats of the individual weapons. I'm pretty tired of folks investing SP into items that are in a continual up and down cycle of nerf / buff. I did drop serious SP in the RR very earlier on...primarily because it was Caldari, I like longer range playstyles, and it WASN'T the AR. I am partial the RR but the bottom line is that I want ALL the racial rifles and to a bigger extent the full racial suite of gear to be functional and give diverse options to the players. "Third star to the right...straight ahead 'till morning."
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1421	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:02:00 - [30] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said but scrambler rifle is still better than both even close range... proficiency 5 a stand scrambler does 100+ damage per shot without charge to ARMOR. think about that for a second. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça

D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1421	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:05:00 - [31] - Quote AR = CR. these 2 guns are balanced against each other. Why? AR has better damage over range, (less fall off), less recoil (virtually no recoil), is fully automatic. CR has the highest damage fall off of all the assault rifles, the most recoil of all the ARs, is burst with the highest dispersion among the ARs. so AR = CR. RR has .... to be honest what down side is there? its great at long range and close range...lol Scr is in single fire mode. But does 100+ damage per sht to Armor with proficiency 5, and turbo controlers make it god mode. lolz Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1421	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:06:00 - [32] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: The reason most of us ratified the wait with is:" At least they are taking their time with these weapons so they aren't unbalanced or terrible." boy were we ***** wrong Those two weapons got delayed twice** because it wasn't where they wanted it... Let that sink in for a second. I am not surprised. Yeah, you mean like in November when I said the RR has too good of accuracy and thus asked why a long range weapon had such good CQC?? results: got told to STFU by Iron Wolf Saber saying how was I able to know if the 1.7 build was not deployed yet. In November I posted about tanks outrunning swarms. results: got called a liar by many. In November I posted the laser was going to be DEAD in 1.7 results: got called a liar. I even posted about specific fedback subforums and got a blue response saying it was a good idea. results: nothing. i was there for all of those. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 814	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:09:00 - [33] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: The rail rifle is the only OP one. High range and high damage, with a pointless charge time to be an attempt at balance, lol. I've seen the same exact post but replace RR with CR. One things for sure, Aint nobody complaining about the Plasma AR anymore which everybody said was OP a month ago and both CR and RR are better than it. That says it all right there. The AR is not as OP as assault combat rifle or regular one with modded controller.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1421	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:09:00 - [34] - Quote why are people so upset that other assault rifles are just as good or alittle better than the galente AR. just before 1.8 everybody was saying that this is "the standard weapon" and its supposed to be a jack-of-all trades. Well it is. The galente AR is good everywhere the other ARs arent supposed to be. Galente ARs, can match CR at long range and close range. Galente ARs, can match the RR at close range (kind of) Scr > galente AR... yeah thats a fact. still, If you want to buff AR damage for close range, then nerf Galente AR range. period. otherwise, deal with it. Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1421	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:10:00 - [35] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: The rail rifle is the only OP one. High range and high damage, with a pointless charge time to be an attempt at balance, lol. I've seen the same exact post but replace RR with CR. One things for sure, Aint nobody complaining about the Plasma AR anymore which everybody said was OP a month ago and both CR and RR are better than it. That says it all right there. The AR is not as OP as assault combat rifle or regular one with modded controller. assault combat rifle is only good close range. But, Minmatar are close range fighters. I just dnt understand why everyone zeros in on minmatar race to nerf all their weapons. Stop being racist... Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 3012	Posted - 2014.02.04 01:31:00 - [36] - Quote Well let's analyze trends Introducing the Flaylock! OP Introducing the Plasma Cannon! Lolwut? Introducing the Scrambler Rifle! ---4 months dormant bear RARR I'm OP with modded controller! Let's Give a Warm Re-Welcome to the Tactical Assault Rifle which was barely used before Uprising! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK And keep those hands clapping for the new and improved LLAV! Tougher than Marauders holy ****! We should've known better. I think it's better if they introduce weapons UP so people who spec heavily into it and find it's sweet spot get like super rewarded when they give it the justified buff. Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4370	Posted - 2014.02.04 01:33:00 - [37] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Squagga wrote: Alright, in all seriousness. What's your main weapon and why do you think it's underpowered, in comparison to the rifles? My main weapon in Pubs are the plasma cannon and Plasma Rifle Secondary is the shotgun. Those are all pretty self explanatory. I am witness to this. Dude deosnt run RR's nor CR.... AceOfJokers666 [ + ] AimBot / VALOR / MAG \| YOU EITHER LOVE BACON OR YOU ARE WRONG
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1984	Posted - 2014.02.04 01:46:00 - [38] - Quote Auld Syne wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: The rail rifle is the only OP one. High range and high damage, with a pointless charge time to be an attempt at balance, lol. Said the Combat Rifle user. i use mass driver. Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
Mordecai Snake Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 20	Posted - 2014.02.04 01:58:00 - [39] - Quote The problem with rifles is auto-aim and bullet magnetism or whatever it's called.
Bormir1r WarRavens League of Infamy 13	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:02:00 - [40] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: CCP has yet to release a balanced weapon or equipment in a new patch...Flaylocks were OP, Scrambler Rifles were somewhat OP, Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle are OP, Active Scanners are OP. Except the Plasma Cannon, that thing never had a chance from the get go. Shotguns still need to be fixed ever since uprising came out.....

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 4386	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:19:00 - [41] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I guess my broad question would be are we really talking about nerfing the CR and RR or do we just need to increase the ARs DPS in CQC? I also notice that not many folks are bleating about the SCR...that weapon can still fillet a proto dropsuit in a heartbeat. I'm also pretty sure that if the AR gets a head start on the RR due to the charge time and in real terms delivers more DPS for for the first magazine...anybody calculating that in? I can't see the need to support any buff / nerfs till we get all the equipment, weapons, dropsuits w/ new stats and perks in. I would actually like to see full racial suites of gear and balance things out in a more holistic fashion. We are focusing waaay too much on simple manipulating stats of the individual weapons. I'm pretty tired of folks investing SP into items that are in a continual up and down cycle of nerf / buff. I did drop serious SP in the RR very earlier on...primarily because it was Caldari, I like longer range playstyles, and it WASN'T the AR. I am partial the RR but the bottom line is that I want ALL the racial rifles and to a bigger extent the full racial suite of gear to be functional and give diverse options to the players. Because the Assault rifle is still overpowered And if the Plasma rifle is the Titan the CR and RR are Olympians. The rest of the weapons are just mere mortals. and if you want to be stupid and give more power to the gods there's no point in using the other weapons. Buffing the AR is not the way to solve this.
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 174	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:20:00 - [42] - Quote Having used RR and CR a lot, I do think RR is OP in CQC. I think it's fine how it performs at significant range, but something needs to be done for CQC. I like my CR also, but I do think it's pretty bad that I can eat through a heavy in CQC with it before a lot of them can even kill me with an HMG (unless he's using a burst HMG with full prof). It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1185	Posted - 2014.02.04 04:11:00 - [43] - Quote Squagga wrote: Alright, in all seriousness. What's your main weapon and why do you think it's underpowered, in comparison to the rifles? laser .....lol.....self explanatory sidearm nova knifes .....lol.....self explanatory maybe if I ask CCP for more effective weapons like a medium size rock for main weapon and a small throwable rock for sidearm ?? since we are talking about more effective weapons than laser main nova knifes sidearm? Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1428	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:23:00 - [44] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I guess my broad question would be are we really talking about nerfing the CR and RR or do we just need to increase the ARs DPS in CQC? I also notice that not many folks are bleating about the SCR...that weapon can still fillet a proto dropsuit in a heartbeat. I'm also pretty sure that if the AR gets a head start on the RR due to the charge time and in real terms delivers more DPS for for the first magazine...anybody calculating that in? I can't see the need to support any buff / nerfs till we get all the equipment, weapons, dropsuits w/ new stats and perks in. I would actually like to see full racial suites of gear and balance things out in a more holistic fashion. We are focusing waaay too much on simple manipulating stats of the individual weapons. I'm pretty tired of folks investing SP into items that are in a continual up and down cycle of nerf / buff. I did drop serious SP in the RR very earlier on...primarily because it was Caldari, I like longer range playstyles, and it WASN'T the AR. I am partial the RR but the bottom line is that I want ALL the racial rifles and to a bigger extent the full racial suite of gear to be functional and give diverse options to the players. Because the Assault rifle is still overpowered And if the Plasma rifle is the Titan the CR and RR are Olympians. The rest of the weapons are just mere mortals. and if you want to be stupid and give more power to the gods there's no point in using the other weapons. Buffing the AR is not the way to solve this. the Scr is Zeus... also 100% correct. I think all the rifles are close ot balanced among themselves. The Scr and RR need a hip fire nerf or a dispersion nerf to make them not useless, but not as good in CQC as the CR and AR. people need to get over themselves the AR is finally balanced against the other rifles HTFU. Now, other weapons can use the balance of the ARs as a model for them to be balanced in one way or an other. et, etc Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1428	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:27:00 - [45] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Having used RR and CR a lot, I do think RR is OP in CQC. I think it's fine how it performs at significant range, but something needs to be done for CQC. I like my CR also, but I do think it's pretty bad that I can eat through a heavy in CQC with it before a lot of them can even kill me with an HMG (unless he's using a burst HMG with full prof). 1. RR needs a dispersion and hip fire nerf for close range. 2. CR beats HMG in CQC not because CR is OP, but because the HMG sucks and nobody wants it buffed ever... 3. remember the galente AR beat (and still beats) the HMG in CQC before 1.8. so, trying to nerf the CR on the same grounds means that all ARs need to be nerfed vs the HMG OR HMG needs another buff... which we know won't happen. so lets just leave the CR alone. CR has the most fall off, most recoil, most dispersion among the ARs. it also is burst... which isnt exactly a good thing. so, nerfing its DPS will effectively break the gun. inwhich case ill do like micheal jackson and change my race... Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 635	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:39:00 - [46] - Quote the assault cr is just an smg with slightly more range. the burst cr all that needs to be done is to tone down the rate at which its burst can be refired. not sure what to do in order to balance the rail rifle even with all the thinking about it.. its supposed to be a cqc breach weapon as the caldari technically r breach.. yet they r also long range snipers at the same time?... its the one gun that makes nosense. we could nerf their range. which is kinda what id prefer. or we make a bunch of random changes on several different parts of the gun and how it functions and then see where that gets us idk.. i just dont know...
Banjo Robertson Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 70	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:24:00 - [47] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: The rail rifle is the only OP one. High range and high damage, with a pointless charge time to be an attempt at balance, lol. CR is kind of like the old Tac AR, not enough delay between shots, or not enough kick for shots, it fires so fast its basically an assault variant.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1124	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:22:00 - [48] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said Where are people getting this figure from! throws his hands up in frustration with two damage mods and prof 5 it's only 630 something (don't remember the exact number from the original calculations I did). You guys exaggerate stuff way to much. Like this whole RR/CR is OP thing going on right here. Neither of the weapons is "OP. Currently there is an imbalance between three of the assault type weapons (i.e. RR, CR, and ScR) and the remaining weapon: the AR or plasma rifle.it is an imbalance and nothing more. As well, there is an imbalance between the niche weapons and the assault types. Again nothing more than an imbalance. These imbalances can be solved quite easily with quite small and rather simple mathematical tweaks, and this can be done very simply by buffing the weapons that are currently "suffering from the imbalance". This is something that CCP is already in the process of doing. We all know of the recent HMG buff. Many of you have heard that the LR will soon be receiving a buff. I imagine that the MD, SG and FL will also be receiving buffs. The idea here is that it is more fun to buff than it is to nerf, and there is literally no difference when done right. Obviously CCP knew how we felt about the state of the AR before the release of the RR and CR. As well it is quite obvious that CCP did not miss the fact that these new weapons are quite simply better than the AR. This tells me that things are going to be changing to be balanced around the new TTK brought to us by the introduction of these new weapons. The actual problem that you guy keep mistakenly crying about, has absolutely nothing to do with the balance of these weapons, or lack there of, for the most part at least. What it actually has to do with is TTK. I don have a problem with the current TTK, but many apparently do. And in addition to feeling the imbalance in the weapons you also feel cheated further by TTK and in transference these feelings get imparted to the weapons you don't use. Use an RR? I'll bet that you think the CR/ScR are OP. Use a ScR? I'll bet that you think the RR and CR are OP. Use a AR? Well... You see where this is going. The truth is that the ScR, CR, and RR are incredibly nearly balanceced with each other, with the ScR pulling slightly ahead of the other two. I feel comfortable saying this because I have no particular predisposition to any of these weapons. I am prof 4 with all of them. I have no particular attachment here. THE PROBLEM. Address the problem! The problem is TTK not the balance of the weapons. So quite making it a OP/nerf issue. Because that is obviously not the way CCP is planning to go. The are quite obviously going the buff rout. Why because it doesn't make people overly upset. It is more fun. TTK is in the process of being fix, prof skill tweaking, damage mod tweaking, scout slot buff, sentinel resistance buff, assault mod buff. Give it some more time. As far as I can see things seem to be going in a very good direction. You guys just need to wake up and smell the coffee. And for god's sake stop trying to brake other people's stuff for completely irrational reasons. {:)}{3GÇó>
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1578	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:29:00 - [49] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: The reason most of us ratified the wait with is:" At least they are taking their time with these weapons so they aren't unbalanced or terrible." boy were we ***** wrong Those two weapons got delayed twice because it wasn't where they wanted it... Let that sink in for a second. I get the same results from all 3 assault weapons, don't have AR so cant comment on that one. Quote:** The actual problem that you guy keep mistakenly crying about, has absolutely nothing to do with the balance of these weapons, or lack there of, for the most part at least. What it actually has to do with is TTK. I don have a problem with the current TTK, but many apparently do. And in addition to feeling the imbalance in the weapons you also feel cheated further by TTK and in transference these feelings get imparted to the weapons you don't use. Use an RR? I'll bet that you think the CR/ScR are OP. Use a ScR? I'll bet that you think the RR and CR are OP. Use a AR? Well... You see where this is going. The truth is that the ScR, CR, and RR are incredibly nearly balanceced with each other, with the ScR pulling slightly ahead of the other two. I feel comfortable saying this because I have no particular predisposition to any of these weapons. I am prof 4 with all of them. I have no particular attachment here. THE PROBLEM. Address the problem! The problem is TTK not the balance of the weapons. So quite making it a OP/nerf issue. Because that is obviously not the way CCP is planning to go. The are quite obviously going the buff rout. Why because it doesn't make people overly upset. It is more fun. TTK is in the process of being fix, prof skill tweaking, damage mod tweaking, scout slot buff, sentinel resistance buff, assault mod buff. Give it some more time. As far as I can see things seem to be going in a very good direction. You guys just need to wake up and smell the coffee. And for god's sake stop trying to brake other people's stuff for completely irrational reasons. If they fix TTK back to chromo levels, it will only mean that most of us that can get 60-70+ kills a game, will ofcourse get less kills, but we will practically never die anymore, mediocre players cannot keep their crosshairs trained long enough on target to score a kill, back in chromo i ran back to back 0 death games with 20-30 kills, with the fast TTK its shifted to 40-50 kills but with 3-7 deaths, if i got killed 2-3 times it was considered a horrible game. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1124	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:44:00 - [50] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: The reason most of us ratified the wait with is:" At least they are taking their time with these weapons so they aren't unbalanced or terrible." boy were we ***** wrong Those two weapons got delayed twice because it wasn't where they wanted it... Let that sink in for a second. I get the same results from all 3 assault weapons, don't have AR so cant comment on that one. Quote:** The actual problem that you guy keep mistakenly crying about, has absolutely nothing to do with the balance of these weapons, or lack there of, for the most part at least. What it actually has to do with is TTK. I don have a problem with the current TTK, but many apparently do. And in addition to feeling the imbalance in the weapons you also feel cheated further by TTK and in transference these feelings get imparted to the weapons you don't use. Use an RR? I'll bet that you think the CR/ScR are OP. Use a ScR? I'll bet that you think the RR and CR are OP. Use a AR? Well... You see where this is going. The truth is that the ScR, CR, and RR are incredibly nearly balanceced with each other, with the ScR pulling slightly ahead of the other two. I feel comfortable saying this because I have no particular predisposition to any of these weapons. I am prof 4 with all of them. I have no particular attachment here. THE PROBLEM. Address the problem! The problem is TTK not the balance of the weapons. So quite making it a OP/nerf issue. Because that is obviously not the way CCP is planning to go. The are quite obviously going the buff rout. Why because it doesn't make people overly upset. It is more fun. TTK is in the process of being fix, prof skill tweaking, damage mod tweaking, scout slot buff, sentinel resistance buff, assault mod buff. Give it some more time. As far as I can see things seem to be going in a very good direction. You guys just need to wake up and smell the coffee. And for god's sake stop trying to brake other people's stuff for completely irrational reasons. If they fix TTK back to chromo levels, it will only mean that most of us that can get 60-70+ kills a game, will ofcourse get less kills, but we will practically never die anymore, mediocre players cannot keep their crosshairs trained long enough on target to score a kill, back in chromo i ran back to back 0 death games with 20-30 kills, with the fast TTK its shifted to 40-50 kills but with 3-7 deaths, if i got killed 2-3 times it was considered a horrible game. Quite right. And like I said, I don't have a problem with the current TTK. {:)}{3GÇó>

Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1495	Posted - 2014.02.05 00:24:00 - [51] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said but scrambler rifle is still better than both even close range... proficiency 5 a stand scrambler does 100+ damage per shot without charge to ARMOR. think about that for a second. The only rifle that does that kind of damage is the CR in a burst. ScR (on Amarr Assault) caps out at 113 per shot. So 90 damage per shot against armour. The RR, incidentally, deals, under the same circumstances, 94 damage per shot against armour. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 267	Posted - 2014.02.05 00:30:00 - [52] - Quote for fucks sake they are fine as long as you exclude turbos and remove bullet magnetism................
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1124	Posted - 2014.02.05 00:36:00 - [53] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: D legendary hero wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said but scrambler rifle is still better than both even close range... proficiency 5 a stand scrambler does 100+ damage per shot without charge to ARMOR. think about that for a second. The only rifle that does that kind of damage is the CR in a burst. ScR (on Amarr Assault) caps out at 113 per shot. So 90 damage per shot against armour. The RR, incidentally, deals, under the same circumstances, 94 damage per shot against armour. CR time to fire one burst: 0.22777778 seconds ScR time to fire a shot: 0.125 seconds With prof 5 and two damage mods the ScR does 107.51 damage per round at proto type. This means that in the time it takes to fire one burst from the CR, the ScR will deal 195.92 damage. So... What where you saying again? {:)}{3GÇó>
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1497	Posted - 2014.02.05 00:56:00 - [54] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: D legendary hero wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said but scrambler rifle is still better than both even close range... proficiency 5 a stand scrambler does 100+ damage per shot without charge to ARMOR. think about that for a second. The only rifle that does that kind of damage is the CR in a burst. ScR (on Amarr Assault) caps out at 113 per shot. So 90 damage per shot against armour. The RR, incidentally, deals, under the same circumstances, 94 damage per shot against armour. CR time to fire one burst: 0.22777778 seconds ScR time to fire a shot: 0.125 seconds With prof 5 and two damage mods the ScR does 107.51 damage per round at prototype (if I remember the stat right never can remember if it's 78.2 or 79.2). This means that in the time it takes to fire one burst from the CR, the ScR will deal 195.92 damage. So... What where you saying again? Quote: proficiency 5 a stand scrambler does 100+ damage per shot without charge to ARMOR Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:02:00 - [55] - Quote People complain about the AR because they equate "has an advantage at short range" to "I should win 100% of the time in short range". Most people on these forums live under the delusion that they are better than everyone else who plays the games so if they lose a CQC against the RR or CR it is because the AR is weak, not because they got outplayed. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Onesimus Tarsus 1101	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:06:00 - [56] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: People complain about the AR because they equate "has an advantage at short range" to "I should win 100% of the time in short range". Most people on these forums live under the delusion that they are better than everyone else who plays the games so if they lose a CQC against the RR or CR it is because the AR is weak, not because they got outplayed. So, floating before you are three pills: one red, one blue, one green. The red pill is the AR, the blue pill is the CR, and the green pill is the RR. Which two would you choose? Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care. Matchmaking by KDR proximity. :)
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 650	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:18:00 - [57] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: People complain about the AR because they equate "has an advantage at short range" to "I should win 100% of the time in short range". Most people on these forums live under the delusion that they are better than everyone else who plays the games so if they lose a CQC against the RR or CR it is because the AR is weak, not because they got outplayed. So, floating before you are three pills: one red, one blue, one green. The red pill is the AR, the blue pill is the CR, and the green pill is the RR. Which two would you choose? Open map Green pill, inside "city" map Red pill, can handle either situation adequately but not be best in either Blue pill. I personally like the CR rifle as far as the racial rifles go, I also really like the AScR too and people call me crazy for that. If I had my perfect world I would nerf all 4 rifles a bit so I wouldn't feel like the 1.5 million SP I have into MD wasn't a complete waste Edit: Just noticed Onesimus' sig. Dude you want matchmaking where its all snipers and tankers fighting against each other? KDR matchmaking will never work my friend. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Onesimus Tarsus 1102	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:20:00 - [58] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: People complain about the AR because they equate "has an advantage at short range" to "I should win 100% of the time in short range". Most people on these forums live under the delusion that they are better than everyone else who plays the games so if they lose a CQC against the RR or CR it is because the AR is weak, not because they got outplayed. So, floating before you are three pills: one red, one blue, one green. The red pill is the AR, the blue pill is the CR, and the green pill is the RR. Which two would you choose? Open map Green pill, inside "city" map Red pill, can handle either situation adequately but not be best in either Blue pill. I personally like the CR rifle as far as the racial rifles go, I also really like the AScR too and people call me crazy for that. If I had my perfect world I would nerf all 4 rifles a bit so I wouldn't feel like the 1.5 million SP I have into MD wasn't a complete waste So, it's all three? What if, according to the original question, you could only have two? Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care. Matchmaking by KDR proximity. :)
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 650	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:23:00 - [59] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: People complain about the AR because they equate "has an advantage at short range" to "I should win 100% of the time in short range". Most people on these forums live under the delusion that they are better than everyone else who plays the games so if they lose a CQC against the RR or CR it is because the AR is weak, not because they got outplayed. So, floating before you are three pills: one red, one blue, one green. The red pill is the AR, the blue pill is the CR, and the green pill is the RR. Which two would you choose? Open map Green pill, inside "city" map Red pill, can handle either situation adequately but not be best in either Blue pill. I personally like the CR rifle as far as the racial rifles go, I also really like the AScR too and people call me crazy for that. If I had my perfect world I would nerf all 4 rifles a bit so I wouldn't feel like the 1.5 million SP I have into MD wasn't a complete waste So, it's all three? What if, according to the original question, you could only have two? If I only have to pick 2 its RR and CR, but I've never liked the AR even when it was the OP gun Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Onesimus Tarsus 1102	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:25:00 - [60] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: People complain about the AR because they equate "has an advantage at short range" to "I should win 100% of the time in short range". Most people on these forums live under the delusion that they are better than everyone else who plays the games so if they lose a CQC against the RR or CR it is because the AR is weak, not because they got outplayed. So, floating before you are three pills: one red, one blue, one green. The red pill is the AR, the blue pill is the CR, and the green pill is the RR. Which two would you choose? Open map Green pill, inside "city" map Red pill, can handle either situation adequately but not be best in either Blue pill. I personally like the CR rifle as far as the racial rifles go, I also really like the AScR too and people call me crazy for that. If I had my perfect world I would nerf all 4 rifles a bit so I wouldn't feel like the 1.5 million SP I have into MD wasn't a complete waste So, it's all three? What if, according to the original question, you could only have two? If I only have to pick 2 its RR and CR, but I've never liked the AR even when it was the OP gun Did you use it? Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care. Matchmaking by KDR proximity. :)

Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 650	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:35:00 - [61] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Did you use it? Still do, after all I have 3 different types of BPO ARs between my characters, but no I never skilled it past Prof. 4 when I wanted to mess around with the Burst AR to see if it would be a good long range compliment for my SMG specialist Minmatar assault. I can agree that it is the worst of the 4 racial rifles, but in my eyes it always will be because shorter range is not a good quality in a rifle with the map size and lack of cover we have. It is still a viable weapon though Duvolles and Geks still kill me just fine, I get kills with my Exile still too Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Onesimus Tarsus 1102	Posted - 2014.02.05 01:41:00 - [62] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Did you use it? Still do, after all I have 3 different types of BPO ARs between my characters, but no I never skilled it past Prof. 4 when I wanted to mess around with the Burst AR to see if it would be a good long range compliment for my SMG specialist Minmatar assault. I can agree that it is the worst of the 4 racial rifles, but in my eyes it always will be because shorter range is not a good quality in a rifle with the map size and lack of cover we have. It is still a viable weapon though Duvolles and Geks still kill me just fine, I get kills with my Exile still too So, to sum up: You used to use the AR back when it was OP, skilling it up to 4, and now that there are two other rifles, you would choose either of the two over the AR, unless the BPO factor is in the weights. Despite your well-thought qualifications, it doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement for what used to be the absolute scourge of the battlefield. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care. Matchmaking by KDR proximity. :)
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2734	Posted - 2014.02.05 02:17:00 - [63] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: xSir Campsalotx wrote: CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said I'm putting in the predictive placeholder QQ for the up-and-coming fully automatic no-drift sniper rifles that slay in CQC. You know CCP is thinking about it. Just a second ago I was making fun of CCP on skype saying: Quote: [3:47:07 PM] J.G.Kirk: Hey they delayed the RR and CR twice and they still ****** it up so they might as well bring it out cause they can't fix anything uness they have our input on it [3:47:57 PM] J.G.Kirk: CCP- "damn, a 100m lightsabre that insta kills anybody? It sounded cool on paper" [3:48:54 PM] Wolfica: Lol. Um laser rifle from chrome? [3:50:12 PM] J.G.Kirk: Damn and I was joking about that Even when I'm making fun of CCP being ridiculous they still manage to live up to my ridiculous satire. So don't joke about that automatic sniper rifle man. They'll look at that and it will be the bases for the Minmitar Sniper rifle. Knowing them they'll make it have explosive rounds and have 6 meter splash damage. Lasers from chrome are my least favorite OP thing. You could herd people with lasers on the fishbowl. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
bhold'the brngr ofLIKE Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:04:00 - [64] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: [quote=xSir Campsalotx]CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said but scrambler rifle is still better than both even close range... proficiency 5 a stand scrambler does 100+ damage per shot without charge to ARMOR. think about that for a second.
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES 555	Posted - 2014.05.04 22:12:00 - [65] - Quote its because no one has been working on dust for the past 7 months. it has been admitted.


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