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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:02:00 -
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xSir Campsalotx wrote:CCP just took OP to a whole new level, CR 1000 dps enough said rail rifle twice range of AR same dps enough said
but scrambler rifle is still better than both even close range... proficiency 5 a stand scrambler does 100+ damage per shot without charge to ARMOR.
think about that for a second.
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:05:00 -
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AR = CR. these 2 guns are balanced against each other.
Why?
AR has better damage over range, (less fall off), less recoil (virtually no recoil), is fully automatic.
CR has the highest damage fall off of all the assault rifles, the most recoil of all the ARs, is burst with the highest dispersion among the ARs.
so AR = CR.
RR has .... to be honest what down side is there? its great at long range and close range...lol
Scr is in single fire mode. But does 100+ damage per sht to Armor with proficiency 5, and turbo controlers make it god mode. lolz
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:06:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:The reason most of us ratified the wait with is:" At least they are taking their time with these weapons so they aren't unbalanced or terrible." boy were we ******* wrong
Those two weapons got delayed twice because it wasn't where they wanted it...
Let that sink in for a second. I am not surprised. Yeah, you mean like in November when I said the RR has too good of accuracy and thus asked why a long range weapon had such good CQC?? results: got told to STFU by Iron Wolf Saber saying how was I able to know if the 1.7 build was not deployed yet. In November I posted about tanks outrunning swarms. results: got called a liar by many. In November I posted the laser was going to be DEAD in 1.7 results: got called a liar. I even posted about specific fedback subforums and got a blue response saying it was a good idea. results: nothing.
i was there for all of those.
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:09:00 -
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why are people so upset that other assault rifles are just as good or alittle better than the galente AR. just before 1.8 everybody was saying that this is "the standard weapon" and its supposed to be a jack-of-all trades.
Well it is. The galente AR is good everywhere the other ARs arent supposed to be.
Galente ARs, can match CR at long range and close range.
Galente ARs, can match the RR at close range (kind of)
Scr > galente AR... yeah thats a fact. still, If you want to buff AR damage for close range, then nerf Galente AR range. period. otherwise, deal with it.
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Posted - 2014.02.04 00:10:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:The rail rifle is the only OP one. High range and high damage, with a pointless charge time to be an attempt at balance, lol. I've seen the same exact post but replace RR with CR. One things for sure, Aint nobody complaining about the Plasma AR anymore which everybody said was OP a month ago and both CR and RR are better than it. That says it all right there. The AR is not as OP as assault combat rifle or regular one with modded controller.
assault combat rifle is only good close range. But, Minmatar are close range fighters. I just dnt understand why everyone zeros in on minmatar race to nerf all their weapons. Stop being racist...
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:23:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:I guess my broad question would be are we really talking about nerfing the CR and RR or do we just need to increase the ARs DPS in CQC?
I also notice that not many folks are bleating about the SCR...that weapon can still fillet a proto dropsuit in a heartbeat. I'm also pretty sure that if the AR gets a head start on the RR due to the charge time and in real terms delivers more DPS for for the first magazine...anybody calculating that in?
I can't see the need to support any buff / nerfs till we get all the equipment, weapons, dropsuits w/ new stats and perks in. I would actually like to see full racial suites of gear and balance things out in a more holistic fashion. We are focusing waaay too much on simple manipulating stats of the individual weapons.
I'm pretty tired of folks investing SP into items that are in a continual up and down cycle of nerf / buff. I did drop serious SP in the RR very earlier on...primarily because it was Caldari, I like longer range playstyles, and it WASN'T the AR. I am partial the RR but the bottom line is that I want ALL the racial rifles and to a bigger extent the full racial suite of gear to be functional and give diverse options to the players.
Because the Assault rifle is still overpowered And if the Plasma rifle is the Titan the CR and RR are Olympians. The rest of the weapons are just mere mortals. and if you want to be stupid and give more power to the gods there's no point in using the other weapons. Buffing the AR is not the way to solve this.
the Scr is Zeus...
also 100% correct. I think all the rifles are close ot balanced among themselves. The Scr and RR need a hip fire nerf or a dispersion nerf to make them not useless, but not as good in CQC as the CR and AR.
people need to get over themselves the AR is finally balanced against the other rifles HTFU.
Now, other weapons can use the balance of the ARs as a model for them to be balanced in one way or an other. et, etc
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Posted - 2014.02.04 21:27:00 -
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LEHON Xeon wrote:Having used RR and CR a lot, I do think RR is OP in CQC. I think it's fine how it performs at significant range, but something needs to be done for CQC. I like my CR also, but I do think it's pretty bad that I can eat through a heavy in CQC with it before a lot of them can even kill me with an HMG (unless he's using a burst HMG with full prof).
1. RR needs a dispersion and hip fire nerf for close range.
2. CR beats HMG in CQC not because CR is OP, but because the HMG sucks and nobody wants it buffed ever...
3. remember the galente AR beat (and still beats) the HMG in CQC before 1.8. so, trying to nerf the CR on the same grounds means that all ARs need to be nerfed vs the HMG OR HMG needs another buff... which we know won't happen. so lets just leave the CR alone.
CR has the most fall off, most recoil, most dispersion among the ARs. it also is burst... which isnt exactly a good thing. so, nerfing its DPS will effectively break the gun. inwhich case ill do like micheal jackson and change my race...
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