Really the only way around this is finding a corp as fast as you can. Squads are pretty necessary unless scout.

actually been with one earlier but I quickly disbanded because they never stood a chance against anyone. Also Have a hard time getting into Corporations when they find out I am a new player, in which I get removed within the hour. So far not having alot of luck with the player community.

actually been with one earlier but I quickly disbanded because they never stood a chance against anyone. Also Have a hard time getting into Corporations when they find out I am a new player, in which I get removed within the hour. So far not having alot of luck with the player community.

actually been with one earlier but I quickly disbanded because they never stood a chance against anyone. Also Have a hard time getting into Corporations when they find out I am a new player, in which I get removed within the hour. So far not having alot of luck with the player community.

actually been with one earlier but I quickly disbanded because they never stood a chance against anyone. Also Have a hard time getting into Corporations when they find out I am a new player, in which I get removed within the hour. So far not having alot of luck with the player community.

message from Godin: If you need a Corp, get with mine. We're called OSG Planetary Operations. If you're interested, click this. We'll teach you how to play, and everything.

EDIT: And about SP, all you really need is about 12-15 mil SP, and you're set in Dust. Anything else is just for extra roles.

actually been with one earlier but I quickly disbanded because they never stood a chance against anyone. Also Have a hard time getting into Corporations when they find out I am a new player, in which I get removed within the hour. So far not having alot of luck with the player community.

Once you get proto suits and a couple of complex modules you'll have suits pretty much as good as anyone elses.

But even thats not necessary, all you really need is proto weapon with proficiency 3 or higher. From there you'll compete with anyone, especially if you play smart, like flanking, using scanners, grenades, or stacking as many armor plates as possible to level out your EHP vs a protos to be even in 1 on 1s.

Once you have 6 mil sp, you could have a proto gallente logi suit w/ proto RR or CR or ScR proficiency 3 with complex damage mods and complex armor plates with a few hundred thousand SP leftover.
Then you'd dominate 90% of the protos out there.

Problem is new players waste too much SP trying stuff out and don't have the patience for saving up for proto, meanwhile a lot of us got the respec at uprising and went straight proto, which then changed our mentality into something like "Proto or No Go".

So ya, basically there really needs to be another full respec to help new players now, and the implementation of a one time respec at 7 million SP for new characters.

actually been with one earlier but I quickly disbanded because they never stood a chance against anyone. Also Have a hard time getting into Corporations when they find out I am a new player, in which I get removed within the hour. So far not having alot of luck with the player community.

Once you have 6 mil sp, you could have a proto gallente logi suit w/ proto RR or CR or ScR proficiency 3 with complex damage mods and complex armor plates with a few hundred thousand SP leftover.
Then you'd dominate 90% of the protos out there.

I am currently a New player in the Dust 514 community and I drifted over here after the MAG server shutdown considering my favorite game got tons of neglect. Well I jump into this game and get pretty good first impressions till I pass the academy. From what I have gathered it seems you make skill points no matter what. Which I liked at first until I realize that I will never be able to compete with higher level players considering I am forced into matches with them every game. In the end, I think this game has tons of potential but I am not sure if its quite ready for a new player market yet, I have no options to avoid these Players which in the end always leads me to a spawn camped defeat.

The introduction to the game mentioned doing some sort of drone infestation game mode but I can't find it anywhere... The only thing that makes sense to me is that its not out yet which for me hurts the game even more considering every single game mode I play is my team being surrounded at our spawn base by tanks, and infantry.

This is a cool game but seriously need some love for us new players.

Another plug for the Learning Coalition.

You don't need to be running proto anything to do well in this game, and it's not mandatory to be part of a corp to survive or be effective. It helps, but you can usually find randoms to squad with and even contribute solo if you play with your team in mind.

Thanes of Dust currently has 2 members and we usually run solo, but work with our team filling roles that we see need an extra body. If you play smart you can be a force even with militia gear...just don't run headlong into fire ;)

You said you can see potential in this game, and CCP has said that there is gong to be regular growth of what options are available to all players. We of the community are trying to help guide that, and we know it'll be a bumpy ride for a bit along the way.

Feel free to mail me even if it's just to say "Hi" and welcome to New Eden! :D

Yeah the problem we currently face is that SP is gain constantly and those on top will always remain on the top because even if you play for 9 months straight, those top players will still have more SP than you because of the passive build up. In the end, your left with facing of enemies of your skill level but as you said they are very few players left of those skill level. Its New player market is suffering alot, and has been since UPRISING release.

...I realize that I will never be able to compete with higher level players considering I am forced into matches with them every game.

Yes, this is true. There's always going to be players with more skill points than you, and there'll be people who start after you with less skill points than you.

It's a common sentiment to feel that because someone has more skill points, that you'll be hopelessly left behind. But it's a misplaced feeling. I'd agree with you if not for the fact that skills are capped at V. Because the maximum a skill can be learned is V, that means that there's a limit to how much better someone can be than you (skill wise), and that also means that you can--for sure--train those same skills to V and be on the same level as a veteran.

Plus, considering that the jump from IV to V in most skills is small, roughly ~5% or so, the difference between level IV (relatively easy to train) and V (harder due to more skills) means that you'll be nearly as good as they are, with a 20% bonus vs a 25% one. I mean, vets may be able to use a Combat Rifle and an Assault Rifle with equally good proficiency; that just means that a new player has to specialize into something first, get good at that, then you can "afford" to branch out. For example, instead of putting all the rifle skills at III, consider specializing in, say, a Scrambler Rifle. You get really good at using it (and its assault variant), and then consider adding skill points toward a Rail Rifle or whatever else floats your boat. The same is true with tanking style, drop suit, etc. Pick Caldari and shield. Train those skills up. Then think about an armor scout. Don't try to do it all at first.

The other thing--and many other posters in this thread have said similarly--is get into a corp. Dust is VERY MUCH a team-based game, so the faster you can get into a corp to run a squad with, the better it'll be for you to experience Dust as it was meant to be played: as a team. If your run-ins with corps so far have been poor, then they likely weren't the corp for you. Don't stick around with shallow assholes, and certainly don't think less of your skills if they weren't new player friendly. There's plenty of new-player-friendly corps out there. Just look around, the internet and the forums for example, and you'll find people looking.

Lastly, do not waste your SP. It is a precious resource. If you are unsure of what you want to try out, remember that you can make an alt on your account who'll start off with SP that you can blow finding out if you're a scrambler pistol lover or a fan of the SMG. All basic models can be trained at skill I, so there's no need to dump lots of SP into something if you just want to try it out.

Trust me, many of us know full well about the lack of proper options to get new players caught up in this game. Vets have been championing the expansion of the new player experience and the addition of PVE (player versus environment) development for a long time.

CCP should have expanded on this with the expected influx of players due to the shutdown of MAG servers but have been behind the ball since the flop of the Uprising release last May. Since then, they have been trying to play catchup to the expectations they gave the community.

My advice for progression is as follows (MHO, not guaranteed)

Focus on gaining higher levels of your weapon of choice (choose either the Assault Rifle, Combat Rifle or Rail Rifle). Higher levels of a weapon will make the base weapon more capable. The Rail Rifle will give you a range advantage which will benefit you the most as it will help to negate your deficiency in HP versus other suits. Get to proficiency two or 3 in a weapon.

Get to level 3 in an equipment of choice. I would suggest either uplinks or a repair tool as these will gain you the most War Points in a particular match which will aide you in gaining SP faster and you will be more helpful to a team.

Once you have those two, work on your core skills which are Electronics and Engineering. This helps you to maximize what you can fit on your suits. Get these both to around level 3 at minimum but it should be a priority until they are at 5 each.

Decide on which race you want to skill into and what suits you want for that race. 1.8 'should' deliver racial suits for all classes so plan ahead. Deciding what race you want to be will decide on what you will use to gain EHP for your suits. Some players dual tank which can help but it requires more of an SP investment.

Shield Tanking (Caldari and Minmatar) - Build in regeneration but less total HP. Requires more SP involvement from the get to go gain maximum HP (Complex)

Armor Tanking (Gallente and some extend Amarr) - More total HP but no regeneration except for specialized plates. Lower SP investment to get boost in HP with diminishing returns for larger plates.

Only worry about upgrading your suits when you have maxed out what they can possibly carry. Suits, while attractive, should only be upgraded once lower tiered ones have been maximized. This saves you ISK (game currency) waste while maximizing potential profit from matches.

Be glad to give any other advice if you message me in game.

And, to expand on the difference between Shields and Armour: Shields have no speed penalty, but are better at range, as they do not give as much HP as armour. Also (I think, not sure) raise your scan profile, making you easier to see (because larger electronic footprint, again, unconfirmed).

Armour is better for in-your-face styles, but are generally slower builds. No penalty to scans, but lesser regen, or none at all.

Shields and ranged weapons go hand-in-hand, while the closer ranged weapons are great for armor, at least as far as Caldari/Gallente are concerned, it's reversed for Minmatar/Amarr, but Minmatar are naturally faster.

I am currently a New player in the Dust 514 community and I drifted over here after the MAG server shutdown considering my favorite game got tons of neglect. Well I jump into this game and get pretty good first impressions till I pass the academy. From what I have gathered it seems you make skill points no matter what. Which I liked at first until I realize that I will never be able to compete with higher level players considering I am forced into matches with them every game. In the end, I think this game has tons of potential but I am not sure if its quite ready for a new player market yet, I have no options to avoid these Players which in the end always leads me to a spawn camped defeat.

The introduction to the game mentioned doing some sort of drone infestation game mode but I can't find it anywhere... The only thing that makes sense to me is that its not out yet which for me hurts the game even more considering every single game mode I play is my team being surrounded at our spawn base by tanks, and infantry.

This is a cool game but seriously need some love for us new players.

As you can see from the responses, the community puts in an effort to make up for CCP's poor effort with NPE

Make sure you check out the Rookie training grounds, there's alot of good new player guides there, and advice on becoming effective on the battlefield while low on SP (Punching above your weight).

Really the only way around this is finding a corp as fast as you can. Squads are pretty necessary unless scout.

So just exactly would the NPE entail? Will it teach players how to stick it out even when the odds are against them? Will it teach them how to use the hills for cover? Will it teach them when to shoot and when not to shoot? Will it teach newberries to stop firing their weapons in a dropship or tank at nothing, alerting enemies to their presence? Will it teach them about flanking and concentrating fire?

All I hear is "NPE, NPE, NPE" and that's it. What exactly should be involved in this NPE that would teach a player strategy and tactic?

How about starting with something simple, like teaching them the rules of game instead of making them guess? Like, I don't know, teaching new players the mechanics of the game so they actually know the win criteria for a match? You know, hacking, counter hacking and clone count. Then maybe some details on how to squad, or use comms, or maybe find a corp. And yes, it should probably teach them about what the hud means and how it works, and maybe to stop firing their weapon in the dropship.
Strategy and tactics is another matter, but at very least, you can give a new player enough into to be able to play a match. It's not rocket surgery.

Do you go to reddit by any chance? If you do, I highly recommend you check out r/subdreddit. We like newbros and like to actually have fun playing the game.

Ok, I can agree with that to a certain extent. But some of it is pretty self explanatory. When you run to the objective, a pop up (press O to hack) appears. Clone count, well maybe that does need some explaining to a degree. And the HUD display I can agree with. Some will probably confuse the ticks with the clone count. But you would think after several battles, they will begin to tell the difference. Especially if they read the details that are placed in upon first arrival in the game. The dropship thing is kinda stupid though. If you take this game any seriously, you should know not to fire your weapon just to fire your weapon while in a dropship. It blows their position. How can one not come to this reasoning? And how come they aren't listening to players when its requested to stop firing while in the dropship?

And strategy and tactics is the matter here. That's the main problem with the new players. They don't understand how to fight in Dust. Everything else in the prior paragraph should be understood if the player uses his brain just a bit. That's what I don't understand. How much hand holding is needed before the player realizes, if he uses his brain, he can get some kind of grasp of what's going on.

Even after you hand hold them, they are still facing tough competition that will either make them or break them. I really think folks confusing NPE with that of teaching mercs how to fight. That falls upon the merc him or herself and the community's corporations.

I am currently a New player in the Dust 514 community and I drifted over here after the MAG server shutdown considering my favorite game got tons of neglect. Well I jump into this game and get pretty good first impressions till I pass the academy. From what I have gathered it seems you make skill points no matter what. Which I liked at first until I realize that I will never be able to compete with higher level players considering I am forced into matches with them every game. In the end, I think this game has tons of potential but I am not sure if its quite ready for a new player market yet, I have no options to avoid these Players which in the end always leads me to a spawn camped defeat.

The introduction to the game mentioned doing some sort of drone infestation game mode but I can't find it anywhere... The only thing that makes sense to me is that its not out yet which for me hurts the game even more considering every single game mode I play is my team being surrounded at our spawn base by tanks, and infantry.

This is a cool game but seriously need some love for us new players.

I am currently a New player in the Dust 514 community and I drifted over here after the MAG server shutdown considering my favorite game got tons of neglect. Well I jump into this game and get pretty good first impressions till I pass the academy. From what I have gathered it seems you make skill points no matter what. Which I liked at first until I realize that I will never be able to compete with higher level players considering I am forced into matches with them every game. In the end, I think this game has tons of potential but I am not sure if its quite ready for a new player market yet, I have no options to avoid these Players which in the end always leads me to a spawn camped defeat.

The introduction to the game mentioned doing some sort of drone infestation game mode but I can't find it anywhere... The only thing that makes sense to me is that its not out yet which for me hurts the game even more considering every single game mode I play is my team being surrounded at our spawn base by tanks, and infantry.

This is a cool game but seriously need some love for us new players.

Once you get proto suits and a couple of complex modules you'll have suits pretty much as good as anyone elses.

all you really need is about 12-15 mil SP and you're set

actually been with one earlier but I quickly disbanded because they never stood a chance against anyone. Also Have a hard time getting into Corporations when they find out I am a new player, in which I get removed within the hour. So far not having alot of luck with the player community.

actually been with one earlier but I quickly disbanded because they never stood a chance against anyone. Also Have a hard time getting into Corporations when they find out I am a new player, in which I get removed within the hour. So far not having alot of luck with the player community.

message from Godin: If you need a Corp, get with mine. We're called OSG Planetary Operations. If you're interested, click this. We'll teach you how to play, and everything.

EDIT: And about SP, all you really need is about 12-15 mil SP, and you're set in Dust. Anything else is just for extra roles.

I am currently a New player in the Dust 514 community and I drifted over here after the MAG server shutdown considering my favorite game got tons of neglect. Well I jump into this game and get pretty good first impressions till I pass the academy. From what I have gathered it seems you make skill points no matter what. Which I liked at first until I realize that I will never be able to compete with higher level players considering I am forced into matches with them every game. In the end, I think this game has tons of potential but I am not sure if its quite ready for a new player market yet, I have no options to avoid these Players which in the end always leads me to a spawn camped defeat.

The introduction to the game mentioned doing some sort of drone infestation game mode but I can't find it anywhere... The only thing that makes sense to me is that its not out yet which for me hurts the game even more considering every single game mode I play is my team being surrounded at our spawn base by tanks, and infantry.

This is a cool game but seriously need some love for us new players.

I am currently a New player in the Dust 514 community and I drifted over here after the MAG server shutdown considering my favorite game got tons of neglect. Well I jump into this game and get pretty good first impressions till I pass the academy. From what I have gathered it seems you make skill points no matter what. Which I liked at first until I realize that I will never be able to compete with higher level players considering I am forced into matches with them every game. In the end, I think this game has tons of potential but I am not sure if its quite ready for a new player market yet, I have no options to avoid these Players which in the end always leads me to a spawn camped defeat.

The introduction to the game mentioned doing some sort of drone infestation game mode but I can't find it anywhere... The only thing that makes sense to me is that its not out yet which for me hurts the game even more considering every single game mode I play is my team being surrounded at our spawn base by tanks, and infantry.

This is a cool game but seriously need some love for us new players.