DUST Search - The problem with the RR is this

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

Auris Lionesse wrote:

Rail rifle is fine, but it's going to be over nerfed and then everyones gonna switch to combat rifles and nerf that too.

And thus the cycle continues...shame, really.

Both need a nerf actually...

Ok...and your primary weapon is what? Something not getting nerfed?

Not trying to poke you, trying to understand where you are coming from on this. I use RR because it's Caldari, I like a mid to long range style and I shield tank (range = survivability) and oh by the way...I've got a pretty average gun game. I get a lot of kills with my SMG simply because it evens out the disadvantages I have with the RR. I totally understand the range overmatch concerns but the weapon needs to be functional across the engagement spectrum.

Nerfs that top end players like you support for some of the weapons are waaay more crippling to the majority of bell curve in the player base.

How's this for middle ground:
1) increase the Spool time to .5sec BUT give RR users an SP sink to bring the spool time down to .2sec at LVL V.
2) decrease RR hip fire accuracy of the RR by 20%
3) increase AR hip fire accuracy by 10%
4). Have a MagSec variant that doesn't have a spool time (assault variant) with slightly decreased range and damage to give the Caldari a one solid CQC weapon.

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Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2566	Posted - 2014.02.02 16:27:00 - [91] - Quote OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Generally 100 % bullshit. Try to fire RR while strafe, when your opponent is on the move. How many same topics you will start over and over? I have and you sir are stupid Sorry but I can't understand japan to english translation :) What You have?? Stupidity ?? Or Fukushima melt something else than reactor??? Wow. You really went there. GTFO the forums if you are gonna be like that. And yes. Your post WAS stupid. RR is ridiculously easy to aim on the move, I do it all the time in my scout suit, and anyone else can if they have good aim. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1308	Posted - 2014.02.02 16:55:00 - [92] - Quote Morathi III wrote: and cat, i dont see you complaining about the SCR, that instakill a proto caldari..... It only instakills when,the user not only fully charges it, leaving them vulnerable if they miss, but they would also have to hit them in the head, which isn't easy with neither a high rof nor a precise long range sight. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 664	Posted - 2014.02.02 17:03:00 - [93] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Rail rifle is fine, but it's going to be over nerfed and then everyones gonna switch to combat rifles and nerf that too. And thus the cycle continues...shame, really. Both need a nerf actually... Ok...and your primary weapon is what? Something not getting nerfed? Not trying to poke you, trying to understand where you are coming from on this. I use RR because it's Caldari, I like a mid to long range style and I shield tank (range = survivability) and oh by the way...I've got a pretty average gun game. I get a lot of kills with my SMG simply because it evens out the disadvantages I have with the RR. I totally understand the range overmatch concerns but the weapon needs to be functional across the engagement spectrum. Nerfs that top end players like you support for some of the weapons are waaay more crippling to the majority of bell curve in the player base. How's this for middle ground: 1) increase the Spool time to .5sec BUT give RR users an SP sink to bring the spool time down to .2sec at LVL V. 2) decrease RR hip fire accuracy of the RR by 20% 3) increase AR hip fire accuracy by 10% 4). Have a MagSec variant that doesn't have a spool time (assault variant) with slightly decreased range and damage to give the Caldari a one solid CQC weapon. Nerf all Rifle damage by 10% Nerf the CR and RR damage by another 10% TTK fixed, Rifle balance fixed
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution 1849	Posted - 2014.02.02 18:18:00 - [94] - Quote The RR is a CQC beast, yes, but nerfing accuracy for HF will only make it a better CQC weapon. Case study: PRE 1.7: HMG had the accuracy of a laser rifle- this made it almost impossible to use in CQC. By making it LESS accurate, it became a fearsome weapon. To make the RR a worse CQC weapon, make its accuracy barely less than PERFECT while increasing kick AND increasing charge time to 0.35s Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 712	Posted - 2014.02.02 19:31:00 - [95] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: The RR is a CQC beast, yes, but nerfing accuracy for HF will only make it a better CQC weapon. Case study: PRE 1.7: HMG had the accuracy of a laser rifle- this made it almost impossible to use in CQC. By making it LESS accurate, it became a fearsome weapon. To make the RR a worse CQC weapon, make its accuracy barely less than PERFECT while increasing kick AND increasing charge time to 0.35s My primary concern is using the charge time as the rheostat for CQC functionality is that it can very easily go one tick too far and it's not useful at all. For me personnally, I'm much more open to tweak options that don't include increasing the charge time without an SP sink to offset disadvantage. There are no clean ways of balancing things out. The AR, CR, SCR still have major advantages in close range over the RR and frankly are as lethal if not more so than the RR in equally skilled hands. The RR can be very lethal in short range fights in the right hands no question about that...the concern I hear mostly is that they are too good across the spectrum of engagements. Would increasing the ADS zoom slightly (15%) and make hipfire recoil and dispersion significantly more pronounced work? The thought is to highlight the strength of the weapon and make it more unwieldy in CQC but not useless. This is actually pretty similar to how the physics of larger caliber battle rifles work in other games and real world. ps...I've been putting more thought into how the rifles work with a full racial suite of weapons. Certain tweaks or nerfs to the RR would be much more palatable if the racial sidearm or alternate weapon perhaps offset some of the critical disadvantages. The MagSec should offer a mid range sidearm with spool time and variant with no spool time but less damage. Consider how the other racial weapon suites work together. When looked at in total there might be some better options than specifcally nerfing or tweaking a single weapon. "Third star to the right...straight ahead 'till morning."
Sergeant Sazu Snow Pirates 4	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:01:00 - [96] - Quote Until this thing came along, I was a monster with the Tactical Assault Rifle. Because of it's range advantage, it has almost useless hip fire. Balance. Why isn't the Rail Rifle the same? Usually when weapons are particularly good at something, they're not so good at certain aspects, or they're just decent at everything (regular Assault Rifles). But the Rail Rifle is just good if not great in all situations, and it annoys me that they thought it would be a good idea. Also, there should probably be some kind of voting/poll thing on the forum, get some collective feedback n' stuff on weapons. I decided to whip out my Ishukone Assault Submachine Gun. * News reporter voice * ...And there were no survivors.
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 120	Posted - 2014.02.02 22:19:00 - [97] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Now its a accuracy problem. You know, quiet as its kept, the truth no one is talking about is player skill involved. The truth no one is talking about is that the CR really trumps. But the common merc doesn't know that. The running theme? "I don't adapt my playstyle, the game must adapt to me. How could a person actually be good with a RR trump with CQC? That's utterly impossible! I demand a nerf!" this
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 7	Posted - 2014.02.03 00:38:00 - [98] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Generally 100 % bullshit. Try to fire RR while strafe, when your opponent is on the move. How many same topics you will start over and over? I have and you sir are stupid Sorry but I can't understand japan to english translation :) What You have?? Stupidity ?? Or Fukushima melt something else than reactor??? Wow. You really went there. GTFO the forums if you are gonna be like that. And yes. Your post WAS stupid. RR is ridiculously easy to aim on the move, I do it all the time in my scout suit, and anyone else can if they have good aim. Sorry but he first throw meat on me. Did't want to harm anybody but... He said that I'm stupid. If he could wrote that I've post stupid thing I would not reply like that. Eye for an eye.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 134	Posted - 2014.02.03 05:49:00 - [99] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote: Generally 100 % bullshit. Try to fire RR while strafe, when your opponent is on the move. How many same topics you will start over and over? I have and you sir are stupid Sorry but I can't understand japan to english translation :) What You have?? Stupidity ?? Or Fukushima melt something else than reactor??? Wow. You really went there. GTFO the forums if you are gonna be like that. And yes. Your post WAS stupid. RR is ridiculously easy to aim on the move, I do it all the time in my scout suit, and anyone else can if they have good aim. Thanks and nice playing with you on my alt Shhhhh xD


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