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Blood Spades Lokapalas. 5	Posted - 2014.01.28 08:18:00 - [1] - Quote Hey CCP, I play as a heavy and assault so I put a lot of thought into this. Many of the people I play with often ask "why do heavies have assault rifles?" I have told them because of the commando suit. You need to spec into heavy in order to use two light weapons. Or spec into the light weapons if your a heavy. Now seeing as they never use the commando class suit after they discover that they can have almost three times the health if they just put it on a sentinel suit. I think to re-enforce the commando class you guys "CCP" should have it so that heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. In doing this your giving the commando a purpose again. Instead of it being replaced by the heavy sentinel. And, i've always found it would make sense that a heavy'd only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. So, maybe if you could... consider this in your next update? Because nobody "and i mean nobody" is going to use the commando suit as long as they have a suit like the sentinel suit that can have more than one module on the right or the basic which has more than two on each side. Please? I know for a fact that the commando suit will have a much more prominent role in Dust if you make the heavy sentinels only carry heavy weapons and sidearms. Maybe even add an extra module slot on the commando to sweeten the deal? Donuts.
QRT30 Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN 6	Posted - 2014.01.28 10:17:00 - [2] - Quote Blood Spades wrote: heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. Sometimes I use light weapon as heavy but it's good idea to allow heavies use only heavy weapon +1
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6264	Posted - 2014.01.28 11:11:00 - [3] - Quote Blood Spades wrote: Hey CCP, I play as a heavy and assault so I put a lot of thought into this. Many of the people I play with often ask "why do heavies have assault rifles?" I have told them because of the commando suit. You need to spec into heavy in order to use two light weapons. Or spec into the light weapons if your a heavy. Now seeing as they never use the commando class suit after they discover that they can have almost three times the health if they just put it on a sentinel suit. I think to re-enforce the commando class you guys "CCP" should have it so that heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. In doing this your giving the commando a purpose again. Instead of it being replaced by the heavy sentinel. And, i've always found it would make sense that a heavy'd only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. So, maybe if you could... consider this in your next update? Because nobody "and i mean nobody" is going to use the commando suit as long as they have a suit like the sentinel suit that can have more than one module on the right or the basic which has more than two on each side. Please? I know for a fact that the commando suit will have a much more prominent role in Dust if you make the heavy sentinels only carry heavy weapons and sidearms. Maybe even add an extra module slot on the commando to sweeten the deal? Already being done next build with the release of all heavy suits. Amarr commando will now have better stats including the possibility to have around 300 Shields and 711 Armour, dual light weapons, and equipment Item.....not to mention the racial weapon damage bonus.... Commando will be very good class next build if you are willing to allocate the large SP costs required to run the suit effectively. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 78	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:51:00 - [4] - Quote QRT30 wrote: Blood Spades wrote: heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. Sometimes I use light weapon as heavy but it's good idea to allow heavies use only heavy weapon +1 Subduing creativity only hurts the game. If heavies are using light weapons, it is because they find them better (either situationally, or in general) than heavy weapons. Either that, or they have gotten bored with their 1 non-AV weapon (the HMG). That being said, I can see a lot of people going commando in 1.8. Pun intended.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 253	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:27:00 - [5] - Quote I'm getting really tired of saying this......... Until there are more heavy weapons things should stay as is The problem with doing what you propose is that it totally gimps sentinals and basics at mid/long range.... If there was a heavy mid range anti infantry weapon then I would be all for it Real heavies use lasers
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 613	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:44:00 - [6] - Quote i wish the commando was 2 heavy weapon slots. id be dual wielding hmgs then..
Abe Foster BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 32	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:08:00 - [7] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: i wish the commando was 2 heavy weapon slots. id be dual wielding hmgs then.. I f that happened It would be like the MAX from Planet side 2 (if any of you know the game on the PC) with a machine gun and a grenade launcher at the same time! But that will never happen! Shadow Archeus wrote: Until there are more heavy weapons things should stay as is Shadow Archeus what you my friend need is a FLAME-THROWER!!!! it needs to happen!!! "These are not the mercenaries you are looking for. Turn around and walk away. We can both pretend this never happened."
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 613	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:11:00 - [8] - Quote id much rather get my hands on a heavy weapon that has a clipsize of 125 50-70dmg per hit an rof of around 600 and a max ammo of around 1000. and it would be galente blaster tech.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 253	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:26:00 - [9] - Quote Abe Foster wrote: CLONE117 wrote: i wish the commando was 2 heavy weapon slots. id be dual wielding hmgs then.. I f that happened It would be like the MAX from Planet side 2 (if any of you know the game on the PC) with a machine gun and a grenade launcher at the same time! But that will never happen! Shadow Archeus wrote: Until there are more heavy weapons things should stay as is Shadow Archeus what you my friend need is a FLAME-THROWER!!!! it needs to happen!!! Heavies NEED a mid/ long range anti infantry weapon Real heavies use lasers
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 19	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:06:00 - [10] - Quote let us rip off the blaster on a lav lol

Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 2	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:59:00 - [11] - Quote Right now no sane person runs commando because it's worthless. The standard suit gets 2 light weapon slots, a grenade, and a piece of equipment... no module space at all.... and did I mention that it's 8k a suit? Running a basic heavy suit saves sp, money, and time. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 2	Posted - 2014.01.29 04:01:00 - [12] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: Abe Foster wrote: CLONE117 wrote: i wish the commando was 2 heavy weapon slots. id be dual wielding hmgs then.. I f that happened It would be like the MAX from Planet side 2 (if any of you know the game on the PC) with a machine gun and a grenade launcher at the same time! But that will never happen! Shadow Archeus wrote: Until there are more heavy weapons things should stay as is Shadow Archeus what you my friend need is a FLAME-THROWER!!!! it needs to happen!!! Heavies NEED a mid/ long range anti infantry weapon Heavy laser or Heavy scrambler cannon? Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 153	Posted - 2014.01.29 04:54:00 - [13] - Quote Really? Another one of these? So like True Adamance said, the Commando will be seeing some serious improvements in 1.8. But regardless, this idea makes no sense. So the obvious question: does this also mean that a light weapon slot can't be filled with a sidearm? Because that would be the only logical conclusion. And if people are only using the Commando as an Assault suit with more health, they're honestly doing it wrong. It's designed with a second-line suppression role, and it's new bonuses should help cement that even more. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 371	Posted - 2014.01.29 05:56:00 - [14] - Quote QRT30 wrote: Blood Spades wrote: heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. Sometimes I use light weapon as heavy but it's good idea to allow heavies use only heavy weapon +1 I fought against you yesterday and you were Calda Assault
Blood Spades Lokapalas. 8	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:45:00 - [15] - Quote Yeah, i get bored and try out different suits every now and then. Donuts.
QRT30 Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN 8	Posted - 2014.01.29 06:53:00 - [16] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: QRT30 wrote: Blood Spades wrote: heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. Sometimes I use light weapon as heavy but it's good idea to allow heavies use only heavy weapon +1 I fought against you yesterday and you were Calda Assault I have only heavy+commando on alt QRT300 (11 mln SP), my main is QRT30 (29 mln SP) with caldari logi and caldari AV assault with swarms before nerf (now I use it occasionally ). I play also as minimatar scout and heavy. I there will be respec in 1.8 I am thinking to change my alt into vehicles becouse on my main I have core skill maxed.
QRT30 Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN 8	Posted - 2014.01.29 07:03:00 - [17] - Quote Dustbunny Durrr wrote: QRT30 wrote: Blood Spades wrote: heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. Sometimes I use light weapon as heavy but it's good idea to allow heavies use only heavy weapon +1 Subduing creativity only hurts the game. If heavies are using light weapons, it is because they find them better (either situationally, or in general) than heavy weapons. Either that, or they have gotten bored with their 1 non-AV weapon (the HMG). That being said, I can see a lot of people going commando in 1.8. Pun intended. I am never bored HMG. It's second most funny weapon after RE. Commando now is almost ok, only shield recharge rate sucks.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 548	Posted - 2014.01.29 08:44:00 - [18] - Quote Dustbunny Durrr wrote: QRT30 wrote: Blood Spades wrote: heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. Sometimes I use light weapon as heavy but it's good idea to allow heavies use only heavy weapon +1 Subduing creativity only hurts the game. If heavies are using light weapons, it is because they find them better (either situationally, or in general) than heavy weapons. Either that, or they have gotten bored with their 1 non-AV weapon (the HMG). That being said, I can see a lot of people going commando in 1.8. Pun intended. So if that would hurt creativity why are medium and light dropsuit not allowed to wield heavy weapons that hurts the creativity as well...
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 254	Posted - 2014.01.29 11:06:00 - [19] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: QRT30 wrote: Blood Spades wrote: heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. Sometimes I use light weapon as heavy but it's good idea to allow heavies use only heavy weapon +1 Subduing creativity only hurts the game. If heavies are using light weapons, it is because they find them better (either situationally, or in general) than heavy weapons. Either that, or they have gotten bored with their 1 non-AV weapon (the HMG). That being said, I can see a lot of people going commando in 1.8. Pun intended. So if that would hurt creativity why are medium and light dropsuit not allowed to wield heavy weapons that hurts the creativity as well... No that defeats the purpose of them being heavy weapons.....using them comes at a price For starters if I choose to go heavy I (as of right now) have only one racial suit The suit has very limited speed and can't jump over anything The heavy suit has the largest hit box I do believe I cannot carry equipment Real heavies use lasers
Secondarius Maximus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.01.29 11:13:00 - [20] - Quote if i recall right commando has one equipment slot but sentinel does not

Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 166	Posted - 2014.01.29 11:16:00 - [21] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Right now no sane person runs commando because it's worthless. The standard suit gets 2 light weapon slots, a grenade, and a piece of equipment... no module space at all.... and did I mention that it's 8k a suit? Running a basic heavy suit saves sp, money, and time. I am....relatively sane. And a commando user. And that suit is actually worse than you think, because we don't even get a grenade Slot! WOOP! But the equipment slot is just as nice. Makes us more tactically flexible outside of the gun game dynamic of Dust. We're essentially a Suppression Heavies: at mid to long range, we are terrors with the right weapon load outs. The slots aren't a massive loss when you have a reasonable amount of hp built into the suit as standard, and that reload bonus is massive. Combined with any other weapon reload skill and we can empty a magazine, switch to the next rifle, empty that too and then have them both reloaded before most opponents have moved out of cover. Rail rifle/combat rifle is a truly nasty combo. AR/shotgun is a CQC powerhouse in the right hands and right environment. It's really about changing your weapons out to suit the task at hand. It's the only strength it has, but that doesn't make it worthless. Does make it pretty expensive, though, I can and do run a healthy profit and reasonable KDR running pubs, but the first three weeks or so can be hard. Real hard. Anyway, just my two pennies on the. Commando. Regarding sentinels and lights...as of 1.7 I'd take a hmg over a rail rifle any day of the week, but as of the next patch I reckon rifle toting, brick tanked and damage resisting sentinels will be a strong contender for the new fotm. Every time I crunch the numbers those things just end up looking beastly. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
QRT30 Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN 8	Posted - 2014.01.29 12:00:00 - [22] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: QRT30 wrote: Blood Spades wrote: heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. Sometimes I use light weapon as heavy but it's good idea to allow heavies use only heavy weapon +1 Subduing creativity only hurts the game. If heavies are using light weapons, it is because they find them better (either situationally, or in general) than heavy weapons. Either that, or they have gotten bored with their 1 non-AV weapon (the HMG). That being said, I can see a lot of people going commando in 1.8. Pun intended. So if that would hurt creativity why are medium and light dropsuit not allowed to wield heavy weapons that hurts the creativity as well... Yeees!!!, galante logi with HMG staying in Wiyrkomi Triage Nanohive, drop around Boundless Remote Explosive and scanning with Duvolle Quantum Scanner :D
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 549	Posted - 2014.01.29 12:12:00 - [23] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Dustbunny Durrr wrote: QRT30 wrote: Blood Spades wrote: heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. Sometimes I use light weapon as heavy but it's good idea to allow heavies use only heavy weapon +1 Subduing creativity only hurts the game. If heavies are using light weapons, it is because they find them better (either situationally, or in general) than heavy weapons. Either that, or they have gotten bored with their 1 non-AV weapon (the HMG). That being said, I can see a lot of people going commando in 1.8. Pun intended. So if that would hurt creativity why are medium and light dropsuit not allowed to wield heavy weapons that hurts the creativity as well... No that defeats the purpose of them being heavy weapons.....using them comes at a price For starters if I choose to go heavy I (as of right now) have only one racial suit The suit has very limited speed and can't jump over anything The heavy suit has the largest hit box I do believe I cannot carry equipment If I stack complex Amor mods on my med frame or scout they become slow like a turtle and can't jump over anything else. That we currently have only one racial suit is no argument why this suit has exclusive gear whereas every other suit in the game has not (apart from the fact that we get all heavy frames in 1.8 as it seem right now). Look I am really not totally against suit exclusive gear it just makes no sense in our "sandbox" game and it makes no sense that only one type of suit has exclusive gear especially since this suit can use anything else (apart from equipment well the commando can).
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2010	Posted - 2014.01.29 13:19:00 - [24] - Quote "oh no this gun is too light! I can't carry it!" Restricting heavy and light weapon slots only to weapons that fit exactly in the weight range makes no sense. I used to run a heavy with a laser all the time. Why? Because I was able to get a lot of damage downrange and be able to soak up any and all damage that came back my way. If I was stuck with only using the forge or HMG I wouldn't have been able to have as solid of a defense of an area. There's a fit I have that I still break out pretty often. It's a heavy sniper. It's an ADV suit with a ADV tac rifle That I bust out for counter sniping. Guess what? I think it's perfectly valid to want to use a suit with enough EHP to soak up a couple sniper rounds to line up your shot. There aren't a lot of reasons not to. So why shouldn't a sentinal be able to grab a RR and own an open area? You know, actually being able to defend an area? their entire job? They're slow, and you can usually pick them off if you use the right tactics anyway (hit and run, and making sure to pick off their pocket logi if they have one) so why shouldn't someone be able to pick the right weapon for the job? This game needs more options, not less. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 82	Posted - 2014.01.29 17:41:00 - [25] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Right now no sane person runs commando because it's worthless. The standard suit gets 2 light weapon slots, a grenade, and a piece of equipment... no module space at all.... and did I mention that it's 8k a suit? Running a basic heavy suit saves sp, money, and time. No nade slot last time i checked. But yeah, they currently blow, but the 1.8 versions look quite nice.
Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone 4	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:04:00 - [26] - Quote I agree with Shadow Archeus that until heavies have a wider variety of weapons, we heavies should still be able to use light weapons. That and not to mention big maps with no close quarters means less support from heavies considering the range of HMG so the ability to use light weapons on heavy is a good concept
Summ Dude OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 158	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:28:00 - [27] - Quote Secondarius Maximus wrote: if i recall right commando has one equipment slot but sentinel does not You do indeed recall right. Not just a laymen, but the laymen.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8700	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:34:00 - [28] - Quote I strongly appose. Going to just copy/paste this here. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: People are still whining about it? GET OVER IT Light weapon slots can support sidearm slots, therefore it makes sense for that heavy weapon slots should be able to hold light weapon slots. "Bigger" slots can take in smaller weapons. The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots, low scanning abilities, huge signature profile, and huge hitbox to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. You guys seriously want to limit heavy suits to 2 weapons?! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 407	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:45:00 - [29] - Quote no one puts light weapons on a sentinel because they had a commando they use light weapons because 1.their better in nearly all situations 2.most likely already skilled from medium suits not commandos Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 407	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:47:00 - [30] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I strongly appose. Going to just copy/paste this here. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: People are still whining about it? GET OVER IT Light weapon slots can support sidearm slots, therefore it makes sense for that heavy weapon slots should be able to hold light weapon slots. "Bigger" slots can take in smaller weapons. The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots, low scanning abilities, huge signature profile, and huge hitbox to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. You guys seriously want to limit heavy suits to 2 weapons?! he said it before i could Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 407	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:56:00 - [31] - Quote [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_LlH2c5dyA&list=PLul12rRxdZ18l3XIoKhKB_gtX9PN3ZI9z[/url] start watching around 1:20 Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
Zunist Tae Ivory Vanguard 46	Posted - 2014.01.29 18:58:00 - [32] - Quote No, no and more no. There's absolutely no reason to restrict that slot. If the suit is designed to carry heavy weapons, while still sporting a side arm there is no logical design reason to restrict that slot. It has the power, slot, and dexterity req to manage any type of weapon. Medium/scout suits don't have the power req to manage, and make up for this in speed, agility, and noise level. Your idea is like telling a world class body builder that he can only use the biggest weights in the gym, because the smaller guys don't want to share the medium weights. As for reinforcing the Commando Class, this wouldn't have accomplished that, poor suit design is what makes them less than desirable. I run Commandos on my current main, and taking light weapons away from the other heavy suits would not result in buff. The changes to Drop suits that are coming with 1.8 will. Brief run down; decreased price, improved CPU/PG, additional slots, and racial suits to vary the balance.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2014.01.29 20:35:00 - [33] - Quote Oh god, not another of these threads. I'm starting to fear that CCP will actually listen to those idiots. It already seems like they are intending to take away Jihad Jeeps and the ability to explode REs while bleeding out. Does no one care about immersion and intuitive features anymore?
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 259	Posted - 2014.01.29 22:42:00 - [34] - Quote I fear the same......yeah I use a scrambler for ranged combat.....so.... You do the same......y do heavies finally get some love and one of you cod playing jackasses thinks that every shooter has to conform so everything's "fair".... Let me tell you something if this game was "fair" nobody would lose.....ever.....we would shoot marshmallow and gumfrops at each other....the vehicles would all be pumpkin carriages and we would all get handed 200 billion isk a match Grow the **** up......this is war.....it isn't impossible to kill us....use something called......and I know its an abstract concept to slime like you.....TEAMWORK......it isn't difficult...... Real heavies use lasers
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 128	Posted - 2014.01.30 02:37:00 - [35] - Quote You shouldn't punish players for odd fittings. HMG is useless at medium range, which has been extended by rail rifles and combat rifles. Until heavies get more interesting weapons, all you can really do is save sp and try to stay interested. Heavy suits are for defense. but it is hard to predict where the fighting will take place. It seems like domination is the new ambush, as players rarely try to cap objectives, and instead focus on trying to clone out the enemy team. That doesn't leave much for heavy assault players on these huge new maps.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 20	Posted - 2014.01.30 05:14:00 - [36] - Quote played a heavy for a heavy a long time now and still do but even i think no light weapons for us . i could understand befor the hmg fix ' hmg was fked ' but now ? its just ppl usen the suit to get extra life and run turdrifles lol . if u want a light weapon ' get a nother suit . with theses resistn coming heavy will be broken with running light weapons and im scared ccp will fk them up . reason we have a bad fotm is there is waay too much freedom .
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 563	Posted - 2014.01.30 09:52:00 - [37] - Quote Blood Spades wrote: Hey CCP, I play as a heavy and assault so I put a lot of thought into this. Many of the people I play with often ask "why do heavies have assault rifles?" I have told them because of the commando suit. You need to spec into heavy in order to use two light weapons. Or spec into the light weapons if your a heavy. Now seeing as they never use the commando class suit after they discover that they can have almost three times the health if they just put it on a sentinel suit. I think to re-enforce the commando class you guys "CCP" should have it so that heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. In doing this your giving the commando a purpose again. Instead of it being replaced by the heavy sentinel. And, i've always found it would make sense that a heavy'd only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. So, maybe if you could... consider this in your next update? Because nobody "and i mean nobody" is going to use the commando suit as long as they have a suit like the sentinel suit that can have more than one module on the right or the basic which has more than two on each side. Please? I know for a fact that the commando suit will have a much more prominent role in Dust if you make the heavy sentinels only carry heavy weapons and sidearms. Maybe even add an extra module slot on the commando to sweeten the deal? So a suit that can handle a forge gun can't handle a rifle? It doesn't make sense. Just give the commando 1 more slot for a module boom done We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 21	Posted - 2014.01.30 11:59:00 - [38] - Quote its not about maken sense ITS ABOUT BALANCE . ccp frist mistake was treating this like eve . in a fps class only items helps tons
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 3668	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:05:00 - [39] - Quote Blood Spades wrote: Hey CCP, I play as a heavy and assault so I put a lot of thought into this. Many of the people I play with often ask "why do heavies have assault rifles?" I have told them because of the commando suit. You need to spec into heavy in order to use two light weapons. Or spec into the light weapons if your a heavy. Now seeing as they never use the commando class suit after they discover that they can have almost three times the health if they just put it on a sentinel suit. I think to re-enforce the commando class you guys "CCP" should have it so that heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. In doing this your giving the commando a purpose again. Instead of it being replaced by the heavy sentinel. And, i've always found it would make sense that a heavy'd only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. So, maybe if you could... consider this in your next update? Because nobody "and i mean nobody" is going to use the commando suit as long as they have a suit like the sentinel suit that can have more than one module on the right or the basic which has more than two on each side. Please? I know for a fact that the commando suit will have a much more prominent role in Dust if you make the heavy sentinels only carry heavy weapons and sidearms. Maybe even add an extra module slot on the commando to sweeten the deal? +1 we need more commando fatties waddling around If a Canadian spots a bruised apple in the market, he would go up to it and ask "who did this to you?" I'm funny =ƒÿå
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1254	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:53:00 - [40] - Quote until the heavy has more than 2 weapons to choose from (and I don't mean three) being able to equip light weapons seems necessary.

SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 649	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:38:00 - [41] - Quote This should not be done. Plain and simple. It is plain wrong to limit Heavies to only heavy weapons. Especially when the game only has two heavy weapons. I almost wish there was just plain weapon slots with the ability to fit whatever weapons can fit. I can live with the current heavy, light, and sidearm slots though. Making even more restrictions would just go against the core philosophy of New Eden though. More options, and more sandbox is needed, not hard coded restrictions to our actions. We need more freedom, not less freedom.
Villanor Aquarius WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 134	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:28:00 - [42] - Quote If all light weapon damage is reduced by 20% and a 5% bonus per level is given to assault frames this would fix the problem as well. No need for a hard restriction, if you want a light weapon on a heavy by all means do it but you should be less effective than what the suit is meant for. If you want light weapon damage you would then go commando or assault but you'll pay for that damage with less tank. If you want to be beefy and dish out hurt well you have to use the heavy weapons which will all have their drawback. HMGs, inaccurate at range poor damage projection, Forge guns, long charge time and low mobility with low ROF. The solution is to tie weapon damage more directly to suit role.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 67	Posted - 2014.02.17 20:40:00 - [43] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: I'm getting really tired of saying this......... Until there are more heavy weapons things should stay as is The problem with doing what you propose is that it totally gimps sentinals and basics at mid/long range.... If there was a heavy mid range anti infantry weapon then I would be all for it THEEENNNN dont play heavy . your only doing it for extra life not because your a true heavy .............NO LIGHTWEAPON FOR HEAVYS ,, chants holdn a picket sign lol
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 649	Posted - 2014.02.17 21:08:00 - [44] - Quote There is no valid reason to restrict heavies. Only strange ideas that go against the nature of the game.
ThePlayerkyle13 PlayerArmy Industries 57	Posted - 2014.02.17 23:38:00 - [45] - Quote Thanks to you CCP might impliment your request that'll restrict player choice if they want a Light Weapon on their Sentinel. Why do people like you have to ruin things for others, just because you can't kill a dude that's has a Light Weapon. Since CCP is considering & might impliment your request, they are going back on their own vision for DUST514, where you create a Merc however you like & have freedom to choose what suit & weapon your Merc runs... Join my Corp HERE
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois Maphia Clan Corporation 169	Posted - 2014.02.18 11:56:00 - [46] - Quote The point is Heavy Suits are still missing some Heavy weapons: if among them there is at least one solid mid-range weapon I think it will become pointless to equip RR, ScR or AR with heavies... Discussion thread: More Heavy Weapons!!! If you are an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
AmlSeb Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 38	Posted - 2014.02.18 15:52:00 - [47] - Quote No, this just gets DUST away from being a sandbox game like EVE. You should be able to fit anything on pretty much everything. Instead I-¦d rather improve the heavy weapons. If heavy weapons are more effective than light ones heavies will tend to them rather than having a weaker weapon and the drawbacks of heavies. One problem here is again the lack of heavy weapons: We have one for suppressing and on for anti material but no real allround weapon like ARs. @AmlSeb on Twitter BPO exchange: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1852003
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1016	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:21:00 - [48] - Quote Blood Spades wrote: Hey CCP, I play as a heavy and assault so I put a lot of thought into this. Many of the people I play with often ask "why do heavies have assault rifles?" I have told them because of the commando suit. You need to spec into heavy in order to use two light weapons. Or spec into the light weapons if your a heavy. Now seeing as they never use the commando class suit after they discover that they can have almost three times the health if they just put it on a sentinel suit. I think to re-enforce the commando class you guys "CCP" should have it so that heavy basics and sentinels can only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. In doing this your giving the commando a purpose again. Instead of it being replaced by the heavy sentinel. And, i've always found it would make sense that a heavy'd only use heavy weapons and a sidearm. So, maybe if you could... consider this in your next update? Because nobody "and i mean nobody" is going to use the commando suit as long as they have a suit like the sentinel suit that can have more than one module on the right or the basic which has more than two on each side. Please? I know for a fact that the commando suit will have a much more prominent role in Dust if you make the heavy sentinels only carry heavy weapons and sidearms. Maybe even add an extra module slot on the commando to sweeten the deal? So to take that only a slightly furhter: Introduce classes (medic/sniper/heavy with no modifications) to Dust? That's what you suggest? Masochism L5.
Hoover Damn H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Legacy Rising 42	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:33:00 - [49] - Quote Personally I think this is silly. Preventing Sentinel suits from using light weapons is simply unjustifiable from an in-universe perspective. This whole phenomenon is, in my opinion, merely a symptom of the available heavy weapons not being good enough to justify either the expense or the effort to become proficient in their use. Frankly it's like complaining that I can fit 150mm 'scout' accelerators on my Rokh. It's a massive waste of a Rokh, sure, but there's no reason why I shouldn't be able to do it.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 580	Posted - 2014.02.18 16:44:00 - [50] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: "oh no this gun is too light! I can't carry it!" Restricting heavy and light weapon slots only to weapons that fit exactly in the weight range makes no sense. I used to run a heavy with a laser all the time. Why? Because I was able to get a lot of damage downrange and be able to soak up any and all damage that came back my way. If I was stuck with only using the forge or HMG I wouldn't have been able to have as solid of a defense of an area. There's a fit I have that I still break out pretty often. It's a heavy sniper. It's an ADV suit with a ADV tac rifle That I bust out for counter sniping. Guess what? I think it's perfectly valid to want to use a suit with enough EHP to soak up a couple sniper rounds to line up your shot. There aren't a lot of reasons not to. So why shouldn't a sentinal be able to grab a RR and own an open area? You know, actually being able to defend an area? their entire job? They're slow, and you can usually pick them off if you use the right tactics anyway (hit and run, and making sure to pick off their pocket logi if they have one) so why shouldn't someone be able to pick the right weapon for the job? This game needs more options, not less. QFT. Seriously, this mindset needs to be spread around. Stop with all the threads to impose limits. CCP gives you tools to do your job, so utilize them. I mean, should we start limiting Caldari to only using shields? Should Amarr be penalized when not using armor? That's the same logic behind arbitrary weapon class limits on suits. The greatest part about the freedom to fit the suit the way you (and your opponent) want(s) is that you can do exactly what they did! You can fit a heavy suit with a light weapon and go to town. An easy "fix" to the wrong-class weapon "problem" may be just to buff suits when using their appropriate weapon class. Assault suits get a bonus to light weapon damage--say, 15-20%, but light weapon damages are nerfed 15-20% across the board. So, when using an assault suit, you put out full damage, but when using Logi or Heavy suit, you put out reduced damage (to emphasize the intended role of the suit). But in no case should creativity be limited arbitrarily. If that happens, Dust will be just like every other shooter out there. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<

Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 242	Posted - 2014.02.18 20:01:00 - [51] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: An easy "fix" to the wrong-class weapon "problem" may be just to buff suits when using their appropriate weapon class. Assault suits get a bonus to light weapon damage--say, 15-20%, but light weapon damages are nerfed 15-20% across the board. So, when using an assault suit, you put out full damage, but when using Logi or Heavy suit, you put out reduced damage (to emphasize the intended role of the suit). But in no case should creativity be limited arbitrarily. If that happens, Dust will be just like every other shooter out there. This seems to be the approach CCP is going for with 1.8. Logis will be the best with equipment, with Racial Logis being the best with a specific kind of equipment, respectively. It looks like they're trying to encourage more role-definition and specialization. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
Exodeon Salviej The Third Day Galactic Skyfleet Empire 63	Posted - 2014.03.16 01:18:00 - [52] - Quote Let me solve this, I'm 18 mill lifetime SP, and I have prototype commando. First of all, the heavies using light weapons is somewhat uncalled for, but I can still floor them in a one-on-one fight because they have a light weapon with about 60 rounds, and a sidearm that deals much less damage. Whereas I have two light weapons, both full clips of 60 rounds, and two Complex Light Damage mods, with RE's to replace my lacking grenade slot if need be. Hell, I can stick an active scanner, and even a nanite injector in there without trouble. Simply put, if a heavy is running around with a light weapon that's something other than FOTM, they're screwing themselves when they come up against me. Yeah, a RR, and CR can plant me flat on my ass if the right fitting is used, but I can still unload a total 120 rounds into you if you give me enough time, all with a 17% damage boost. Basically, if you walk up on the current "unicorn," you're staring into the face of a very dangerous man. And his slightly higher health stats do actually give enough resistance to go and massacre about 5-7 assault suits before he dies(this is pub match statistics, in PC it would be less, but still very effective). Just yesterday, I did a PC match in my Commando suit with two other heavies in my squad, and two logis'. Charlie was impenetrable to even the most proto'd out heavies as I was standing behind the heavies, and unloading Duvolle Rounds, and Viziam Rounds into them. Your face is something to shoot, so I will shoot. Don't be offended, I do it to everyone.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 249	Posted - 2014.03.16 11:10:00 - [53] - Quote it's okay OP. everyone in this thread may be a sentinel light weapon using douchebag but I'll still kill them for you when you're on my team. with a dragonfly toxin suit hackable ladders ftw
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 743	Posted - 2014.03.16 11:29:00 - [54] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: I'm getting really tired of saying this......... Until there are more heavy weapons things should stay as is The problem with doing what you propose is that it totally gimps sentinals and basics at mid/long range.... If there was a heavy mid range anti infantry weapon then I would be all for it Maybe the suit with highest total ehp available is not meant to xecel at EVERY range and EVERY situtaion. But those who think the only way to play dust is by stacking as much ehp as possible will surely goe for heavies... I guess noone could complain If all suits could use heavy weapons. Currently the Heavy/sentinal is the ONLY suits with exclusive gear (and a very powerfull as well). And thiy excusive gear makes NO sense. If dust was abou excusive gear why can any suit use Assaultrifles or cloaks?
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 330	Posted - 2014.03.16 16:12:00 - [55] - Quote OK look I'm getting really tired of saying this to people like u who think that heavies with only two weapon choices is balanced and fine...... Heavies have 0 medium ranged anti infantry weaponry....limiting heavies to using only the hmg or forge right now will result in a couple of bad things happening.... 1 open maps=fgs tower sniping all over again or death taxis everywhere.....instead of actually fighting for objectives on open maps all heavies will be trying to find some way to be effective 2 cqc objectives would just be clumped Sooo much with heavies that people will complain about heavy spam ruining the game because heavies would not be able to push objectives....show me a heavy running across a field at an objective and taking the objective and I'll show you a bunch of ****** shots on the other team.... CCP has already said they would consider limiting heavies to heavy weapons once all heavy weapons are released.......so buddy tighten up your bootstraps Cuz its going to be a while before they even THINK about your proposal.... or quit just make sure to gimme ur isk Real heavies use lasers
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 305	Posted - 2014.03.16 23:52:00 - [56] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Shadow Archeus wrote: I'm getting really tired of saying this......... Until there are more heavy weapons things should stay as is The problem with doing what you propose is that it totally gimps sentinals and basics at mid/long range.... If there was a heavy mid range anti infantry weapon then I would be all for it Maybe the suit with highest total ehp available is not meant to xecel at EVERY range and EVERY situtaion. But those who think the only way to play dust is by stacking as much ehp as possible will surely goe for heavies... I guess noone could complain If all suits could use heavy weapons. Currently the Heavy/sentinal is the ONLY suits with exclusive gear (and a very powerfull as well). And thiy excusive gear makes NO sense. If dust was abou excusive gear why can any suit use Assaultrifles or cloaks? Not every suit can use Cloaks. Sentinels can't. I think you misunderstand how the weapon slots work. You're able to fit a smaller capacity weapon in a higher capacity slot, because it' well.....smaller. Makes sense to me. I think you might also misunderstand how the suits are designed. The ability to wield heavy weapons is one of the advantages a Sentinel has over other suits, while having drastically less slots (including no Equipment) is a disadvantage. I'm also betting the Pilot suit (if we ever do happen to get that thing) will only be able to wield a Sidearm as well. If you have an issue with certain suit-to-suit balance, that's another discussion. But completely altering a mechanic of the game because you don't like Heavies with Light Weapons is pretty silly to me. Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
Nekrokult Valor Coalition 38	Posted - 2014.03.17 04:13:00 - [57] - Quote The way I see this is considering 2 different aspects: - Freedom of fitting (something CCP advocated for Dust) - RPG The first point is really important in my opinion, and it would be a shame if we go in the opposing way on this; might as well create templates then. The more diversity we have and the more that same diversity is viable, the richer the game environment is. The second point covers the more conventional way class games let you play. In RPGs you use weapons that are made for your class and that use your natural abilities. You can still use a sword on an Archer probably, but you wonGÇÖt be able to use all the swords and youGÇÖll do miserably with it because your natural abilities donGÇÖt help it perform. And you most certainly wonGÇÖt be able to carry any axe whatsoever. With this in mind, and coming back to Dust in specific, 2 things could happen: - Special variants of a certain type of weaponry that are locked to that class (example: all Assault Rifles are available to the Assault dropsuits, but the other dropsuits can only use a fraction of those) - Higher requirements for using weaponry not designed for that dropsuit I donGÇÖt think that we should look on this on the damage point, but from the fitting cost point. So, you should have higher CPU/PG costs in fitting an Assault Rifle on a non-Assault. This still lets you have the freedom of equipping anything the way you wantGÇª at a cost. A specific skill to decrease that penalty could also be implemented. This GÇ£freedom for a priceGÇ¥ is my favorite approach.
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 663	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:24:00 - [58] - Quote It is funny that people are asking for limitations in a game that is all about having less limitations. Fit it how you want, do not be limited to classes only getting specific things. You are just wrong to ask for limitations. It shows not understanding the game you are playing.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS Caps and Mercs 132	Posted - 2014.04.12 16:06:00 - [59] - Quote fine then why are there no equipments on heavys . no hmg on scouts . ? because BALANCE is needed . freedom isnt free . think befor speak instead of just lookn for personal gain like most do here
JoeShmoe From Kokomo Third Rock From The Sun 1	Posted - 2014.06.08 22:17:00 - [60] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: This should not be done. Plain and simple. It is plain wrong to limit Heavies to only heavy weapons. Especially when the game only has two heavy weapons. I almost wish there was just plain weapon slots with the ability to fit whatever weapons can fit. I can live with the current heavy, light, and sidearm slots though. Making even more restrictions would just go against the core philosophy of New Eden though. More options, and more sandbox is needed, not hard coded restrictions to our actions. We need more freedom, not less freedom. So your saying I should be able to put an HMG on a Scout? How about a forge gun? How about HMG on a Logi? Id fly right behind you BoundlessHMG you in the back, your friend, your squad then run like hell because Im a scout. Yup your wrong and yes you need more heavy weapons. Lock the fatmans weapons slots

JoeShmoe From Kokomo Third Rock From The Sun 3	Posted - 2014.06.08 22:25:00 - [61] - Quote Nekrokult wrote: With this in mind, and coming back to Dust in specific, 2 things could happen: - Special variants of a certain type of weaponry that are locked to that class (example: all Assault Rifles are available to the Assault dropsuits, but the other dropsuits can only use a fraction of those) - Higher requirements for using weaponry not designed for that dropsuit I donGÇÖt think that we should look on this on the damage point, but from the fitting cost point. So, you should have higher CPU/PG costs in fitting an Assault Rifle on a non-Assault. This still lets you have the freedom of equipping anything the way you wantGÇª at a cost. A specific skill to decrease that penalty could also be implemented. This GÇ£freedom for a priceGÇ¥ is my favorite approach. Well said but still if you wanna use light weps go use the other siut MADE FOR THEM. Lock the fatman's weps or unlock the HMG/Forge for all suits
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1468	Posted - 2014.06.09 04:48:00 - [62] - Quote If all the heavy weapons are released I'm sure this idea would be on the table. Until then a whole group of suits only being able to use 2 main weapons is just too limiting. Fun > Realism
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10529	Posted - 2014.06.09 04:54:00 - [63] - Quote I am a Commando. I have two light weapons. Get rekt. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon


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