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KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4025	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:04:00 - [61] - Quote OverIord Ulath wrote: Then shouldn't they require the same number of people to run their tanks? I mean... If you are taking 3 people's attention away from focusing on winning the match just to deal with you, shouldn't you require the same number of people to distract them? Yup,pretty much. +1 GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 754	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:07:00 - [62] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ccp should make it so the driver can only use the front turret, and a gunner can use the large turret Boom. Tanker Logic. No tanker logic is as follows- I have a tank so because its name is tank, I should be invincible. No, that's sad little scrub logic. See, you see me saying that you're bad when you want to solo vehicles easily, but your mind sees me saying that I should be invincible. No, im pretty sure hes saying that most tankers want to be invincible because they have a tank, and that is how the game is. Btw, I have an alt with pro 5 forges and the highest tier vehicle stuff, so I know what im talking about I have Forges at prof. 5 (even though I never use it lol, swarms at prof. 5, PLC at prof. 5, and I got RE's at lvl 5. I win. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 904	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:08:00 - [63] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: And this thread has become the reason why you dont ask this question on the forums, but like the hundred or so threads that came before it someone will simply refuse to use the search function and start this up all over again This thread is getting derailed, little by little. they ALL do every last one of them. in the end niether side wants to give ground and neither side can be convinced in any capasity. its like a hardcore athiest vs extremeist christian, in the end neither side will budge for any reason whatsoever no matter what arguments are present on either side. and thats what happens in every single one of these threads. this thread is pointless, nothing good will ever come of it, stop making these threads and use the search function.
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 127	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:11:00 - [64] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: We plug ourselves into the HAV, so we can control many of the functions at the same time. Degraging ourselves to mortal ways of life is silly. no. Are u sure? I heard its all levers, pedals and minority report in there. Maybe u plug ur helmet cam/suit computer in to monitor stuff, but I'm pretty sure that's the main difference between pilots and mercs. We can't do the whole matrix jack in thing. Less QQ more PewPew
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3942	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:14:00 - [65] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: I have Forges at prof. 5 (even though I never use it lol, swarms at prof. 5, PLC at prof. 5, and I got RE's at lvl 5. I win. And I have an alt touting dual damage mods with a Particle Cannon. Do you want a cookie or something? Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3943	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:26:00 - [66] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: My forge still has no problem soloing tanks. DAU all day. Maybe you should change the topic to 'why do it two swarm guy kill the tank' or something? And Ghost doesn't like linking threads; don't think I've ever seen him do it. And what comments would you have twoards the vast majority of the player base who don't have access to Sentinels? Let me Guess; "Everyone should skill into heavies. Only heavies should be taking out tanks" Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Harpyja Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1140	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:42:00 - [67] - Quote I wish my standard suit can take on a sentinel solo I hate how it takes teamwork or tactics to bring down those fatties Seriously, this is how stupid you all sound. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 756	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:44:00 - [68] - Quote Atiim wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: I have Forges at prof. 5 (even though I never use it lol, swarms at prof. 5, PLC at prof. 5, and I got RE's at lvl 5. I win. And I have an alt touting dual damage mods with a Particle Cannon. Do you want a cookie or something? But rails are for scrubs. I still win. EDIT: Chocolate chip or sugar, leaning towards sugar "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 756	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:45:00 - [69] - Quote jordy mack wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: We plug ourselves into the HAV, so we can control many of the functions at the same time. Degraging ourselves to mortal ways of life is silly. no. Are u sure? I heard its all levers, pedals and minority report in there. Maybe u plug ur helmet cam/suit computer in to monitor stuff, but I'm pretty sure that's the main difference between pilots and mercs. We can't do the whole matrix jack in thing. Yes, I'm sure. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3944	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:51:00 - [70] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I wish my standard suit can take on a sentinel solo I hate how it takes teamwork or tactics to bring down those fatties Seriously, this is how stupid you all sound. My STD suit can take on sentinels solo. Just use a Combat Rifle I've got an RS-90 and I'm making Sentinels look like butter. I can solo a Heavy. All I need is a Remote Explosive, Shotgun, or Nova Knives. Makes quick work of them too. Additionally, a heavy requires an additional unit known as the Logistics to be successful. A heavy without one is about as good as dead. Should we bring back LLAVs Remote Repairers/Transporters and make HAVs non-viable without being constantly repped by a LLAV? Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3944	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:52:00 - [71] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Yes, I'm sure. Can I have DEV confirmation? :P Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Harpyja Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1140	Posted - 2014.01.26 06:03:00 - [72] - Quote Atiim wrote: Harpyja wrote: I wish my standard suit can take on a sentinel solo I hate how it takes teamwork or tactics to bring down those fatties Seriously, this is how stupid you all sound. My STD suit can take on sentinels solo. Just use a Combat Rifle I've got an RS-90 and I'm making Sentinels look like butter. I can solo a Heavy. All I need is a Remote Explosive, Shotgun, or Nova Knives. Makes quick work of them too. Additionally, a heavy requires an additional unit known as the Logistics to be successful. A heavy without one is about as good as dead. Should we bring back LLAVs Remote Repairers/Transporters and make HAVs non-viable without being constantly repped by a LLAV? And just like you can solo heavies with a medium suit, there are people that can solo tanks. But if people are QQing to nerf HAVs or to buff AV, then why doesn't it apply to heavies? I don't see people QQing about the fact they can't solo heavies. I certainly can't take down a heavy unless it lets me fire a full clip into it, but I'm not QQing. HTFU. Tanks are a force to reckon with now. You got too soft since Uprising launched. We HTFU over time, like you kept tellng us (even if we may have QQed about it ourselves), and now those of us who tanked throughout Uprising appear unstoppable to AV. Your turn to HTFU now. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 381	Posted - 2014.01.26 06:08:00 - [73] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: OverIord Ulath wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ccp should make it so the driver can only use the front turret, and a gunner can use the large turret Boom. Tanker Logic. Wait a minute.... I know another alt of Long Evity..... and he's.... WAIT A MINUTE..... .......no.... it couldn't be... WAIT A MINUTE.... Are you.... a fan of anime.....? I love me some Bleach, Naruto and FullMetal Alchemist Fck yeah Fullmetal Alchemist on topic, I think there needs to be a variant of tank (like we have with weapons) that is a two seater. They would be better than the 'solo tanks' we have today in some way (tank nerf? ) "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow* GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
Dusters Blog Galactic News Network 595	Posted - 2014.01.26 06:29:00 - [74] - Quote we have supported this since b4 uprising. Give the driver credit for the kills, but make it so he has to have a gunner [who will get assists] to operate the main cannon.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3947	Posted - 2014.01.26 06:37:00 - [75] - Quote Harpyja wrote: And just like you can solo heavies with a medium suit, there are people that can solo tanks. But if people are QQing to nerf HAVs or to buff AV, then why doesn't it apply to heavies? I don't see people QQing about the fact they can't solo heavies. I certainly can't take down a heavy unless it lets me fire a full clip into it, but I'm not QQing. HTFU. Tanks are a force to reckon with now. You got too soft since Uprising launched. We HTFU over time, like you kept tellng us (even if we may have QQed about it ourselves), and now those of us who tanked throughout Uprising appear unstoppable to AV. Your turn to HTFU now. I don't even need a Medium Frame to solo them. And I solo scrub tankers daily. Nobody can solo a pilot worth half their salt. Heck, I haven't even been soloed yet and I'm not even that good according to other pilots. It would apply to heavies, but a Sentinel requires a Logistics unit to be even slightly effective. Even the best heavies can't last long without support from a Logistics unit. Basically, Heavies require teamwork, Heavy Attack Vehicles don't require teamwork. Your argument is now invalid. You need an entire clip? WTF are you using? No, you appear unstoppable because of your gear. According to the butthurt forum warriors, I sucked at tanking. So if I sucked then, shouldn't I suck now? I mean after all, it is the skill from 1.6 that makes tankers good right? Is it really my turn yet? It's kinda hard to tell when your still crying. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 260	Posted - 2014.01.26 07:40:00 - [76] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: (or hope a random in the gunner seat could shoot worth a damn). This never happened.... <--- bfr certified and advanced hacker. Miss that game. Theres still like...a few people on the servers but not enough to make it fun again. Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 93	Posted - 2014.01.26 07:45:00 - [77] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ccp should make it so the driver can only use the front turret, and a gunner can use the large turret OMG! This will honestly make so many tankers mad but makes so much sense lol. I honestly never thought of that since it is a video game and all but I don't know if there is even a video game on the market that does that. Arma. Driver of tank only controls the movement, Someone else controls the gun. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 196	Posted - 2014.01.26 07:53:00 - [78] - Quote More tank related QQ. Starting to get old. As long as the tank costs more than whatever dropsuit the other guy is using then they shouldn't be "equal". The tank should be superior.
Rusty Shallows 906	Posted - 2014.01.26 08:04:00 - [79] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: snip Most other fits are solo material for AV players, and so the thread is still overly broad without need. Devs aren't interested in nuanced discussions. Otherwise we wouldn't have had all the crazy nerfing and buffs of 1.7 Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Glitch116 Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 24	Posted - 2014.01.26 08:13:00 - [80] - Quote also has anyone actual sat down and though about what having a gunner and a driver would really do? you do know that same of the biggest weaknesses of tanks right now is the fact that it is hard to aim and turn at speed. tanks currently need to be slow or stationary to really aim well. know imagine what happens when you spread the load of aim and driving over to 2 players. now tanks can stay at speed and be able to always know where they are going while have great ADS ... just think about what you are asking for my really make tanks STRONGER in the hands of skilled players imagine those blaster drivebys.... I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!! deal with it

Rusty Shallows 906	Posted - 2014.01.26 08:31:00 - [81] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I wish my standard suit can take on a sentinel solo I hate how it takes teamwork or tactics to bring down those fatties Seriously, this is how stupid you all sound. Use one of the big Four-Rifles, have the proficiency at 3, stack complex damage mods, and if possible rake the head (it's a large target and we are stupidly slow). Collect profit. Or with one buddy focus fire and melt the Fatty with center of mass shots. Do it with three or more to insta-gib him. Just an FYI 1.8 isn't going to change that. Just give people more options for a style of play. Killing Heavies is just as easy as killing unhardened vehicles with any Large Rail. Easier in most cases since. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Rusty Shallows 906	Posted - 2014.01.26 08:36:00 - [82] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: More tank related QQ. Starting to get old. As long as the tank costs more than whatever dropsuit the other guy is using then they shouldn't be "equal". The tank should be superior. We had that QQ toward the end of Chromosome. Then we had new tank QQ towards all AV and people QQing over armor blaster HAVs. Now we just have more QQ under the Tanks514 banner. It was already old before you installed the game. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
The Attorney General 1894	Posted - 2014.01.26 08:49:00 - [83] - Quote OverIord Ulath wrote: A very reasonable response, but the point of the thread isn't even really a qualm against the different tank fits that are not soloable, or even against all tankers and their views on tanks. It's against the mindset that many tankers have across the various tank balance threads that because of their SP investment and fit costs compared to infantry, they feel that they should not be soloable by infantry. A specific jab at a specific group of people. I do appreciate your reasonable responses to valid issues brought up here, however it's a philosophy of game balance that I am disputing in this thread, not the current state of affairs in-game. Your thread, if not about the specific anti-infantry points, is than completely without merit. This mindset that you attribute to tankers has no bearing on how tanks are designed in game. Further, just because a subset of the tank using populace makes statements regarding balance does not make them correct, or the source for the current vehicular situation. You can make a jab all you like, but the only retort to someone "taking a jab at tankers" is to tell you plainly that if you can't drop tanks with AV you are a scrub, and that you need to get decent at the game before you start trying to talk about balance. So if you want to progress discussion, learn how to properly frame an argument, or if you want to troll, do that correctly. Don't half ass it and then get uppity when you don't get the right response. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Atheor Sindromer Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 28	Posted - 2014.01.26 09:34:00 - [84] - Quote Well that's bullshit because I take out tanks with RE's solo all the time. Love the sinner, hate the Sindromer.
AP Grasshopper The Unit 514 161	Posted - 2014.01.26 09:53:00 - [85] - Quote OverIord Ulath wrote: Then shouldn't they require the same number of people to run their tanks? I mean... If you are taking 3 people's attention away from focusing on winning the match just to deal with you, shouldn't you require the same number of people to distract them? Eve pilots can fly Titans entirely by themselves. Incase you didn't know, its a video game.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8453	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:18:00 - [86] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: OverIord Ulath wrote: Then shouldn't they require the same number of people to run their tanks? I mean... If you are taking 3 people's attention away from focusing on winning the match just to deal with you, shouldn't you require the same number of people to distract them? Eve pilots can fly Titans entirely by themselves. Incase you didn't know, its a video game. A titan is not to subcaps as a tank is to infantry. For one, titans cost literally a thousand times as much as a subcap. When your tank costs 1000x more than an infantry suit, then we can compare them to titans. Oh, also - titans are laughably ineffective against subcaps. Tanks are very effective at killing infantry. This is a bad comparison and you should feel bad. Level 5 Proficiency 3 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 519	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:21:00 - [87] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Yet it only takes 1 person to fly/fire a titan. The inability to control two aspects of something 1000x smaller makes no sense. All that has to happen is either slow tanks down, or make prox mines stop giving warnings. I alone can do enough damage to make a tank run away. If running away wasn't an easy out I'd be able to finish it off. Also I'd reduce blaster range so they had to fear AV nades. To my my knowlegde EVE ships have large crews of mortal humans on board, but capsuleers simply don't care for them...
Sam Booty Valor Coalition 15	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:22:00 - [88] - Quote Make tanks base cost 1 million ISK, dropships 2 million ISK. Decrease efficiency of all armor/shield hardeners. Improve swarm launcher at close range (if you are close to target they should do like 50% more damage) and improve AV grenades they are so useless now. You could also develop new AV swarm launcher weapon which locks on to vehicles and allows delayed explosion. If you leave the game as it is you will just continue to lose players.
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 131	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:52:00 - [89] - Quote Atiim wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: Yes, I'm sure. Can I have DEV confirmation? :P No seriously, how do u know u jack in? Isn't that the reason we can never be pilots AND mercs. Also where do u plug the... yer nevermind.. Less QQ more PewPew
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2295	Posted - 2014.01.26 11:57:00 - [90] - Quote OverIord Ulath wrote: Then shouldn't they require the same number of people to run their tanks? I mean... If you are taking 3 people's attention away from focusing on winning the match just to deal with you, shouldn't you require the same number of people to distract them? In my tank i have 2 drones working below decks for the reloading of turrets and activating modules, other than that its me doing all the work You cant prove otherwise Intelligence is OP



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