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MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 233	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:18:00 - [31] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: We plug ourselves into the HAV, so we can control many of the functions at the same time. Degraging ourselves to mortal ways of life is silly. no. You know what's also silly? Needing Proto AV to destroy Militia HAV's. You're beating a dead horse, most tankers acknowledge that light av is slightly underpowered as things currently stand, tanksare too cheap (the biggest offender being mlt) and rail turrets are wildly out of control. That said you cannot change too much all at once or we go back to 1.6 where av was blatantly overpowered, tanks were 500k to 3.2m isk death traps and overall the 'balance' just wasn't there and things weren't fun. Now in terms of buffs I think the plc should be getting a decent one, but swarms should probably not (if they do it should be something simple like +1 missile per volley) and ill explain the reasoning too. Plc's are hard to use, especially at a distance, you should really be rewarded for landing that shot (in fact I'd like to see the plc do more damage the further the projectile had traveled)... Swarms however are not hard to use - they are painfully easy so easy in fact that the weapon comes with a checkbox that asks if you have Parkinson's or epilepsy, if neither is applicable all you need to do is center a tank or other offending vehicle on screen and swarms are go. Something so easy to use should not be the 'best' vehicle killer. Forges are for the most part okay, the non mlt ones are great actually. To be completely honest I'm also largely in favor of slowing down tank vs tank fights so tanks don't just flat die in2 seconds to damage modded rails or missiles (it would be nifty if missiles reloaded independently to make them sustained medium range anti-armor, of course providing a lower RoF)
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3718	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:19:00 - [32] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: OverIord Ulath wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ccp should make it so the driver can only use the front turret, and a gunner can use the large turret Wait a minute.... I know another alt of Long Evity..... and he's.... WAIT A MINUTE..... .......no.... it couldn't be... WAIT A MINUTE.... Are you.... a fan of anime.....? I love me some Bleach, Naruto and FullMetal Alchemist You need to watch some Mirai Nikki, Elfenlied, or Tasogare Otome x Amnesia (I know that one doesn't fit with the super-morbid theme of the other 2). None of that ** that gets on american tv. Gintama ftw I'm pretty sure Future Diary and Elfen Lied made it to Adult Swim. Anyways, I enjoyed Death Note, and some comedies. I would tell everyone here my tastes in anime, but this isn't the thread for that. [/quote] Eflenlied MIGHT have (they would have had to sensor the out of it), but I highly doubt mirai nikki did because it isn't fully dubbed, unless they just finished. ** dubs. I am your scan error.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 903	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:20:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: OverIord Ulath wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: We plug ourselves into the HAV, so we can control many of the functions at the same time. Degraging ourselves to mortal ways of life is silly. no. Pointless blanket excuse that means nothing. Actual, logical, gameplay balance response requested. actual responces have been givin 100 times over in the thousands of other threads started with the same title as yours, use the search function Funny how you say this because you can't even type the title in the search bar without hitting the max character limit. Is there any other irrelevant and generally false statements that you'd like to make? semantics, this same thread has exsisted more times then i can count fact now go read them and learn from them.
The Attorney General 1892	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:22:00 - [34] - Quote Tanks can be taken down by a single AV person. This thread is just silly. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3928	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:24:00 - [35] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Tanks can be taken down by a single AV person. This thread is just silly. LAVs can also be taken out by HMGs, Mass Drivers, Flaylock Pistols and Combat Rifles. Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 461	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:30:00 - [36] - Quote Yet it only takes 1 person to fly/fire a titan. The inability to control two aspects of something 1000x smaller makes no sense. All that has to happen is either slow tanks down, or make prox mines stop giving warnings. I alone can do enough damage to make a tank run away. If running away wasn't an easy out I'd be able to finish it off. Also I'd reduce blaster range so they had to fear AV nades. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Lorhak Gannarsein 1337	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:38:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Tanks can be taken down by a single AV person. This thread is just silly. LAVs can also be taken out by HMGs, Mass Drivers, Flaylock Pistols and Combat Rifles. My forge still has no problem soloing tanks. DAU all day. Maybe you should change the topic to 'why do it two swarm guy kill the tank' or something? And Ghost doesn't like linking threads; don't think I've ever seen him do it. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
The Attorney General 1892	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:43:00 - [38] - Quote Atiim wrote: The Attorney General wrote: Tanks can be taken down by a single AV person. This thread is just silly. LAVs can also be taken out by HMGs, Mass Drivers, Flaylock Pistols and Combat Rifles. Confirmed: Anti Infantry weapons are far too versatile. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
OverIord Ulath Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:49:00 - [39] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Tanks can be taken down by a single AV person. This thread is just silly. Tanks CAN be taken down by a single AV person. If that tanker is either stupid, doesn't have skill, hasn't specced into tanks, doesn't know tank strategy, doesn't have situational awareness or if the AV player is lucky. Or some combination thereof. A properly fitted tank run by a proper tanker who knows what he is doing is not going to be dropped by a single AV player unless that AV player is a prof. 5 forge gunner running 2 damage mods on a proto forge gun sitting on a roof with nanohives. I found out just today that someone with stacked repps on a Madrugar (no hardners, just repps) can out-repp 3 swarms from a prof. 5 swarm launcher with 3 complex damage mods started off with one packed EXO-AV grenade. That was an unpleasant surprise. I sat behind the hill he had me pinned behind until my hive ran dry, then he gunned me down while I tried to make it to a supply depot. DavidBerkowitz (friend of mine from L.O.T.I.S.) has his Madrugar set up with over 300 armor repps per second, and since you can only fire off a volley every 4 seconds or so, even if you don't include the travel time of the swarms, you have already repped *over* 1200 armor before the next volley hits. And if we apply this math: Berserker007 wrote: [clipped] If you look at the damage math (and my attempt to do so); look at a bare bone Militia Soma: has 1200 shield, 4000 armor Current proto SL damage (using my skills/stats as base): 6x220= 1320 (per volley be4 skills/mods) x 1.12 = 1478 (w. prof level) x 1.24 = 1833 (w/ 3 complex damage mods) x .2 = 366 ..... 1833-366 = 1467 1st shot against shield So right there, your ONE volley of Proto SL w/ all those mods, just BARELY breaks they shield of a militia no items/skilled tank. [clipped] [From this thread] We see that even if there is no flight time between when you fire and when the missiles connect, meaning firing from *POINT BLANK RANGE*, you are repairing at least half of your armor before the swarms can even connect again. Yeah... one guy's totally got this under control....
thomas mak STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 22	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:54:00 - [40] - Quote it is New Eden Y tank can't run by one man *Real tanker dies with their tanks!*

ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command 982	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:54:00 - [41] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Joel II X wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I love me some Bleach, Naruto and FullMetal Alchemist wrote: You need to watch some Mirai Nikki, Elfenlied, or Tasogare Otome x Amnesia (I know that one doesn't fit with the super-morbid theme of the other 2). None of that ** that gets on american tv. Gintama ftw I'm pretty sure Future Diary and Elfen Lied made it to Adult Swim. Anyways, I enjoyed Death Note, and some comedies. I would tell everyone here my tastes in anime, but this isn't the thread for that. Eflenlied MIGHT have (they would have had to sensor the out of it), but I highly doubt mirai nikki did because it isn't fully dubbed, unless they just finished. ** dubs. This thread is now about anime. >Tallen Ellecon wrote: >They didn't hurt all Logis, just the support ones.
Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 302	Posted - 2014.01.26 02:56:00 - [42] - Quote This situation has already been noted and will be looked at in due course (as stated by a dev). personally i feel that a tank is a tank, it should not be soloed. similarly a tank should not get the amount of kills they do if they are the only one in the tank. this way makes need for squad tactics to be more developed. CPM1 candidate
The Attorney General 1892	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:06:00 - [43] - Quote OverIord Ulath wrote: A properly fitted tank run by a proper tanker who knows what he is doing is not going to be dropped by a single AV player unless that AV player is a prof. 5 forge gunner running 2 damage mods on a proto forge gun sitting on a roof with nanohives. Beyond the obvious problems with tanks, this particular fit has an interesting place and it needs a little attention. That type of fit has no hope against even a MLT rail on a sica. It has literally no defense for alpha spikes. What it does have is a complete gearing towards surviving waves of AV thrown haphazardly while it works a blaster. Is it right that such a fit is possible? Similarly, should a shield tanker be able to stack triple hardeners with an armor hardener and a heavy armor repair module? The likely answer is no, and that the modules still need to be adjusted. That type of fit can also be ultrakilled by any combo of mines, or AV nades and a hive. Or a combo strike of AV nades and a forge shot to the ass. With all that said, that is only one type of fit, and it is easily destroyed by any rail, including installations, which will make short which of that type of fit. Most other fits are solo material for AV players, and so the thread is still overly broad without need. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 754	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:14:00 - [44] - Quote Atiim wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: We plug ourselves into the HAV, so we can control many of the functions at the same time. Degraging ourselves to mortal ways of life is silly. no. There are only two functions to control Well, control of the hull, loading the ammo, aiming the turret & firing it, controlling the modules, etc. is done probably in a mortal HAV by a 3-4 man crew. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
OverIord Ulath Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:14:00 - [45] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: OverIord Ulath wrote: A properly fitted tank run by a proper tanker who knows what he is doing is not going to be dropped by a single AV player unless that AV player is a prof. 5 forge gunner running 2 damage mods on a proto forge gun sitting on a roof with nanohives. Beyond the obvious problems with tanks, this particular fit has an interesting place and it needs a little attention. That type of fit has no hope against even a MLT rail on a sica. It has literally no defense for alpha spikes. What it does have is a complete gearing towards surviving waves of AV thrown haphazardly while it works a blaster. Is it right that such a fit is possible? Similarly, should a shield tanker be able to stack triple hardeners with an armor hardener and a heavy armor repair module? The likely answer is no, and that the modules still need to be adjusted. That type of fit can also be ultrakilled by any combo of mines, or AV nades and a hive. Or a combo strike of AV nades and a forge shot to the ass. With all that said, that is only one type of fit, and it is easily destroyed by any rail, including installations, which will make short which of that type of fit. Most other fits are solo material for AV players, and so the thread is still overly broad without need. A very reasonable response, but the point of the thread isn't even really a qualm against the different tank fits that are not soloable, or even against all tankers and their views on tanks. It's against the mindset that many tankers have across the various tank balance threads that because of their SP investment and fit costs compared to infantry, they feel that they should not be soloable by infantry. A specific jab at a specific group of people. I do appreciate your reasonable responses to valid issues brought up here, however it's a philosophy of game balance that I am disputing in this thread, not the current state of affairs in-game.
Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 754	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:19:00 - [46] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: We plug ourselves into the HAV, so we can control many of the functions at the same time. Degraging ourselves to mortal ways of life is silly. no. You know what's also silly? Needing Proto AV to destroy Militia HAV's. Do we have to do this again? Not if you don't back away. Tanks are broken. Everyone knows this. I've already given reasonable suguestions. This is unreasonable. My first point makes this make no sense lore wise, as we're not mortals, and I have to skill into it, so why do I let a bluedot use it? "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
OverIord Ulath Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:23:00 - [47] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Joel II X wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: We plug ourselves into the HAV, so we can control many of the functions at the same time. Degraging ourselves to mortal ways of life is silly. no. You know what's also silly? Needing Proto AV to destroy Militia HAV's. Do we have to do this again? Not if you don't back away. Tanks are broken. Everyone knows this. I've already given reasonable suguestions. This is unreasonable. My first point makes this make no sense lore wise, as we're not mortals, and I have to skill into it, so why do I let a bluedot use it? The point in this thread is not to say that tankers should require multiple people to run their tanks, it is to say that it is ridiculous to expect to be able to draw 3+ people away from focusing on a match just to deal with your sorry ass just because you decided to take a different skill tree than they did.
Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 754	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:24:00 - [48] - Quote Read, and quiet. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 468	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:25:00 - [49] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: Thanks for the info. Do PS2 tanks operate like that? I played only infantry in PS2 xD Nah, they made them all solopwnmobiles in PS2 with the main gun on the large tanks operated by the driver. Apparently needing a gunner for a tank was just not fun enough (despite the presence of several very popular vehicles in PS2 that still need dedicated gunners ) But rolling with a secondary weapon gunner is still very useful at least. A tank equipped with an AV secondary turret operated by a decent gunner will win against a solo tank driver most of the time, and an AI secondary turret usually does a much better job of slaughtering infantry than the slow firing main gun. Contrast with dust, where the secondary turrets are usually dropped by solo tankers for more pg/cpu. Then again, the one thing both games have in common is you don't want a random on your secondary gun firing wildly into the air so that the tank you were trying to sneak behind knows you're coming
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 254	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:28:00 - [50] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ccp should make it so the driver can only use the front turret, and a gunner can use the large turret Boom. Tanker Logic. No tanker logic is as follows- I have a tank so because its name is tank, I should be invincible. Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1097	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:29:00 - [51] - Quote Hmm, in EVE a battleship gets about five or so big guns vs. a little frigate with maybe three little bitty guns. No, it's working as intended. DUST and EVE are the same in that CCP designs them and they base their designs on a certain mentality that is consistent between the two games. One person, one character (one vehicle). Just because you want to team up with other infantry doesn't mean I have to suffer dealing with coordinating with other people. You could run solo and it'd be the same GÇô one person, one character. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 754	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:41:00 - [52] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ccp should make it so the driver can only use the front turret, and a gunner can use the large turret Boom. Tanker Logic. No tanker logic is as follows- I have a tank so because its name is tank, I should be invincible. No, that's sad little scrub logic. See, you see me saying that you're bad when you want to solo vehicles easily, but your mind sees me saying that I should be invincible. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
OverIord Ulath Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:47:00 - [53] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Hmm, in EVE a battleship gets about five or so big guns vs. a little frigate with maybe three little bitty guns. No, it's working as intended. DUST and EVE are the same in that CCP designs them and they base their designs on a certain mentality that is consistent between the two games. One person, one character (one vehicle). Just because you want to team up with other infantry doesn't mean I have to suffer dealing with coordinating with other people. You could run solo and it'd be the same GÇô one person, one character. I know this has been said before billions of times, but it bears repeating I suppose. EVE =/= DUST You cannot balance a FPS game based on a space ship game. You cannot balance a 16v16 game on a fleet v fleet game. You cannot balance a console lobby shooter where you actively have to earn SP off of a PC MMO space opera where you can let the game sit for months and not miss a beat on your SP accumulation. You cannot balance a game that is based on using cover, strafing, aiming and "gungame" on a game that is based on whatever the hell you use to kill people with in a space MMO. Therefore, you cannot base tank v infantry balance on titan v frigate balance.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 255	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:50:00 - [54] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ccp should make it so the driver can only use the front turret, and a gunner can use the large turret Boom. Tanker Logic. No tanker logic is as follows- I have a tank so because its name is tank, I should be invincible. No, that's sad little scrub logic. See, you see me saying that you're bad when you want to solo vehicles easily, but your mind sees me saying that I should be invincible. No sorry if i offended you. I was simply referring to Tanahiro whatever, the super radical tanker dude. That, quite literally, is his logic. Ill try to find the thread if you would like to see it. Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 85	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:51:00 - [55] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ccp should make it so the driver can only use the front turret, and a gunner can use the large turret Boom. Tanker Logic. No tanker logic is as follows- I have a tank so because its name is tank, I should be invincible. No, that's sad little scrub logic. See, you see me saying that you're bad when you want to solo vehicles easily, but your mind sees me saying that I should be invincible. No, im pretty sure hes saying that most tankers want to be invincible because they have a tank, and that is how the game is. Btw, I have an alt with pro 5 forges and the highest tier vehicle stuff, so I know what im talking about
OverIord Ulath Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2014.01.26 03:51:00 - [56] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ccp should make it so the driver can only use the front turret, and a gunner can use the large turret Boom. Tanker Logic. No tanker logic is as follows- I have a tank so because its name is tank, I should be invincible. No, that's sad little scrub logic. See, you see me saying that you're bad when you want to solo vehicles easily, but your mind sees me saying that I should be invincible. No, I see you saying you should be invincible when I see you saying tanks are balanced after I fire off 12 volleys of prof. 5 swarms and the tank is still sitting there smiling at me. However, you've not (that I've seen) said that tanks are balanced, so that doesn't apply to you. Yet.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 853	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:15:00 - [57] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: You need to watch some Mirai Nikki, Elfenlied, or Tasogare Otome x Amnesia (I know that one doesn't fit with the super-morbid theme of the other 2). None of that **** that gets on american tv. I only know Spanish, English and French. I do not know Japanese. On that note, I detest subtitles. Life must be so hard for you trilingual ppl... How do you even manage to communicate with others? Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 904	Posted - 2014.01.26 04:40:00 - [58] - Quote And this thread has become the reason why you dont ask this question on the forums, but like the hundred or so threads that came before it someone will simply refuse to use the search function and start this up all over again
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 674	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:01:00 - [59] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: You need to watch some Mirai Nikki, Elfenlied, or Tasogare Otome x Amnesia (I know that one doesn't fit with the super-morbid theme of the other 2). None of that **** that gets on american tv. I only know Spanish, English and French. I do not know Japanese. On that note, I detest subtitles. Life must be so hard for you trilingual ppl... How do you even manage to communicate with others? It's really not that hard. I just happen to forgot certain words in one language at a time. For example: instead of saying what time is it, I may say what hour is it (bad example since I would never say this but hopefully you get the point). I also know little Italian from high school so I would be a quadilingual? Lol no, not really. I can barely talk two sentences in Italian. I should practice. If you're wondering, I know English, Spanish, moderate Japanese and little Italian. Can't write in Japanese to save my life... yet.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 674	Posted - 2014.01.26 05:02:00 - [60] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: And this thread has become the reason why you dont ask this question on the forums, but like the hundred or so threads that came before it someone will simply refuse to use the search function and start this up all over again This thread is getting derailed, little by little.



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