P.S. where is all the dignity in actually using a SKILLED weapon that is harder to land shots.... everyone uses these OVERPOWERED EZ-MODE weapons like the RR or Railgun turrets and think they are "GREAT GAMERS"

Scrambler pistol - high dps, high precision, medium damage per clip
(Serious damage fast) like scrambler rifle

Sub machine gun- moderate dps, moderate precision, high damage per clip
(Damage over time) like assualt rifle

Flaylock- moderate dps, low precision, low damage per clip
(Some damage over large area) like Mass Driver

If you read what i wrote, you would understand i was talking about someone who started a thread just like this one,
not you.

And again, you put your skill points into flaylock JUST BECAUSE IT WAS OVERPOWERED.. I bet you never even tried to use it again after you knew it got nerfed. PATHETIC just like half the community who follow whatever EZMODE flavor of the month is best for their K/D/R..

Truth be told, I dont even have a rifle, NEVER put a point into them and never will. The only weapons I use are the Forge gun, Flaylock, and FIsts. I carry flaylock on everyone of my fits and they get 5-6 kills AT LEAST with it each game.



So you want to RUIN my entire gameplay? Everything I do requires my flaylock to back me up. Don't **** with my fun, bub.

What if its designed as a low damage high area of effect weapon intended to kill highly evasive infantry. Low dps easy hits.

Scrambler pistol - high dps, high precision, medium damage per clip
(Serious damage fast) like scrambler rifle

Sub machine gun- moderate dps, moderate precision, high damage per clip
(Damage over time) like assualt rifle

Flaylock- moderate dps, low precision, low damage per clip
(Some damage over large area) like Mass Driver

Since, it is obvious from the responses of the community that Flaylocks are undesirable it should be removed and SP refunded.

Observe:

• Flaylocks are despised by most of the community.
• Flaylocks fail to produce consistant results, and fail at their intendd use.
• their intended use was obscured because of the nerf.
• hitting targets is too hard because of the inconsitancy in splahs damage distribution and small radius
• Even prototype flaylocks cannot compete with a milita scambler pistol

The SP refund is deserved because Flaylocks are an entire field of SP that is useless. When tactical assault rilfes where nerfed, no SP was refunded because it was a field of Assault rifles. Therefore, you could simply switch to using std AR, breach and burst without investing more SP.

Since very few if any are using flaylocks on their fits and the FLaylock is getting no kills (CCP has the information and charts and knows these numbers are in the 10s out of the 1,000s of players in DUST) it should just be removed. When the information for flaylocks is reviewed and compared to that of SMGs, nova knives and scramble pistols we can see that it doesn't even make average.

According to Lore Minmatar use cheap but RELIABLE weaponry. Anything ineffective and/or unreliable is discarded. The lfaylock is both unreliable and ineffective even when it does connect.


This is a petition and discusion.

I move for us to remove the flaylock and refund SP. All in favor just confirm it.

er . . . ditto for Swarm Launchers?

I used flaylock at 1 month before it became popular among caldari logi scrubs. I had Proficiency 3. I never ran them as my main weapon.

And really that is a lame excuse... saying I specced into a new weapon because it was OP the month it came out when no one knew it would be OP is like saying that people who specced into RR or CR specced into it the first day because it was OP. regardless your argument is invalid.

Once it got nerfed I continued to use it. Until i realized it was so subpar it was worthless. remember I dnt run noob assault like you, I run Heavy with HMG as you can see from my numerous HMG posts. Dont beleive me? Type "D legendary hero" in the search bar on the forums and go back a few months. You will find plenty of posts all about HMGs and Heavy suits. Especially a long one about resistance to small arms fire. So, tell me. How does a heavy with a flaylock every become OP?

In addition I posted several comments and threads after it was nerfed speaking about its usability. It was semi-useful, but guess what a patch came out that increased movement speed, decreased armor speed penalty. Armor values went up and Hit-scan detection (like ARs which you use) went up. while explosive sphere damage and hit-detection decreased.

This killed the flaylock.

And to be honest since UPRISING ARs have always been the best K/D raising weapon in the game. You would be a fool to say otherwise. So if you use an AR, congratulations you are as pathetic as you try to make specialty weapon users look.


I don't give a **** about your fun. This is about Justice. I know you own an AR, because every other brokelock user here posts something constructive only AR noobs like you post disruptive and offensive comments. Dn't both responding because I'm hidding your comments. Constructive criticisim is one thing, but out right attcks are unacceptable.

Skirmish 1.0 was removed because it caused the catastrophic memory leaks that made your console lock up every 2-3 matches if you didn't do a pre-emptive re-log every battle or 2 ... and that was with the 5 minute load times aswell :-(

that will NEVER happen. too many people hate it, and CCP only listens to those guys...

they nerfed the flaylock before they nerfed caldari logi's and caldari logi's had been OP for 4 months at that point.

^^This. I couldn't agree more. If they buffed it to have prenerf values and 10-20% more damage, radius, and fire rate (possibly fire rate) and increased the ammo count OR something like that it could be fixed.
-OR-

It can specialized to have a truely niche role of CQC by increasing Blast radius, damage, clip by 2, and increasing projectile travel speed BUT having its rounds explode after traveling 15m distance, and increasing the projectile arch increasing reload time to a little more than an SMG.

Increasing reload time and decreasing range will prevent roof spamming (although TBH spamming from the roof took skill because the flaylocks fire actual projectiles with travel speeds and trajectorys). The increased reload will always prevent spamming because SMGs, and scrambler pistols reload much faster and punish you less for missing. Increasing the arch will make longer shots difficult to pull off and the shorter maximum distance will make mid range combat all but impossible. So, it will effectively be pigeon holed to CQC. That is niche.


However, you and I both know everyone will complain and moan about any buffs to it so, forget it, i'd rather have it removed now and get my SP back and spam Scr pistols and SMGs and the new side arms (the caldari SMG will have more range and damage than the current SMG), than fight for months on end to get a possible buff only to have it reversed or worse completely rejected.

Nah, it's cool. It was fine to spend SP in FP back when it was OP it should be fine to keep it now that it's not OP anymore.

You speak the truth I agree

So basically you want it to be an MD in the secondary slot?

This is horrible logic. People got SP back for much less. On top of that flaylock was never OP. CCP admitted that amor was weak and subsequently buffed armor. CCP admitted that Caldari logi (with 1000+ ehp) were OP and subsequently nerfed them. But people like you who specced into caldari logi which was OP for several months (6) used flaylocks and were practically invincible.

To nail the point on the head the flaylock wasn't realy OP it was caldailofi's and scouts with framerate lagg who used it to great effect against armor tankers etc... Flaylock was only out for 2 months prenerf. I specced into it, people complained about 1 month in, then it got nerfed. I used it for a month after but the AA update killed it.


Think please! Ask yourself: What trend do 90% of the weapons nerfed in this game follow?

Is it not true that with the exception of the TAC AR most of the guns nerfed were all specialty weapons? They were all different from the norm of regular FPS or normally play a less pronounced role in other FPS'...
observe,
HMG
flaylock
Lazer
Mass driver
Flux (if you dnt remember the radius was drastically cut)
shotgun
forge gun
...

Why is it that the weapons that never get nerfed are ARs and Snipers?
So, ask yourself then. Was the flaylock truely flavor of the month? Or were the weapons that never got nerfed the flavor of the year?

Actually ARs were nerfed twice and sniper, theyre basicaly useless withou specs on that, and even with specs theyre somehow overlooked. The problem is CCP, theyre push too much in CoD style and less on strategy and thats reason why pinnacle of dust is now protosomps and HAVs. But i still believe on better "tomorows".

Since, it is obvious from the responses of the community that Flaylocks are undesirable it should be removed and SP refunded.

Observe:

• Flaylocks are despised by most of the community.
• Flaylocks fail to produce consistant results, and fail at their intendd use.
• their intended use was obscured because of the nerf.
• hitting targets is too hard because of the inconsitancy in splahs damage distribution and small radius
• Even prototype flaylocks cannot compete with a milita scambler pistol

The SP refund is deserved because Flaylocks are an entire field of SP that is useless. When tactical assault rilfes where nerfed, no SP was refunded because it was a field of Assault rifles. Therefore, you could simply switch to using std AR, breach and burst without investing more SP.

Since very few if any are using flaylocks on their fits and the FLaylock is getting no kills (CCP has the information and charts and knows these numbers are in the 10s out of the 1,000s of players in DUST) it should just be removed. When the information for flaylocks is reviewed and compared to that of SMGs, nova knives and scramble pistols we can see that it doesn't even make average.

According to Lore Minmatar use cheap but RELIABLE weaponry. Anything ineffective and/or unreliable is discarded. The lfaylock is both unreliable and ineffective even when it does connect.


This is a petition and discusion.

I move for us to remove the flaylock and refund SP. All in favor just confirm it.

DONT YOU EVER SAY STUFF ABOUT MY FLAYLOCK AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A weapons respec with 1.8 will solve the issue.

People will dump the Flaylock and not look back.

So basically you want it to be an MD in the secondary slot?

there is no way you are unholylegion of dark star and using flaylocks. just stop.

Or, buff the Flaylock.