DUST Search - Petition and discucion: Remove flaylock and refund SP

D legendary hero wrote:

Chief-Shotty wrote:

I got to admit, getting kills with a flaylock pistol is just LOL!

However it really has no role on the field. The MD is a niche weapon but great when red dots crowd an objective/area. Flaylock is a finisher? Anything could be a finisher, try sleek locus grenades.

However as a sidearm, it does not serve its purpose. A sidearm should fulfill 1 of 3 conditions

1) an alternate when primary is unsuited to a situation. CQB Situation: an SMG sidearm to Mass Driver or Sniper fit
2)a fallback when in a last ditch defense or when primary runs dry mid battle. I.E Scrambler pistol
3)a specialty weapon for special engagements i.e nova knives for assassination or behind lines work

Now ask yourself can the flaylock meet any of those conditions and RELIABLY perform that role consistently?
i say remove, but a buff to damage OR blast radius would bring it back. Plus a bonus to clip size wouldn't hurt either?

^^This. I couldn't agree more. If they buffed it to have prenerf values and 10-20% more damage, radius, and fire rate (possibly fire rate) and increased the ammo count OR something like that it could be fixed.
-OR-

It can specialized to have a truely niche role of CQC by increasing Blast radius, damage, clip by 2, and increasing projectile travel speed BUT having its rounds explode after traveling 15m distance, and increasing the projectile arch increasing reload time to a little more than an SMG.

Increasing reload time and decreasing range will prevent roof spamming (although TBH spamming from the roof took skill because the flaylocks fire actual projectiles with travel speeds and trajectorys). The increased reload will always prevent spamming because SMGs, and scrambler pistols reload much faster and punish you less for missing. Increasing the arch will make longer shots difficult to pull off and the shorter maximum distance will make mid range combat all but impossible. So, it will effectively be pigeon holed to CQC. That is niche.

However, you and I both know everyone will complain and moan about any buffs to it so, forget it, i'd rather have it removed now and get my SP back and spam Scr pistols and SMGs and the new side arms (the caldari SMG will have more range and damage than the current SMG), than fight for months on end to get a possible buff only to have it reversed or worse completely rejected.

Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!


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Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 856	Posted - 2014.01.26 16:27:00 - [1] - Quote Nah, it's cool. It was fine to spend SP in FP back when it was OP it should be fine to keep it now that it's not OP anymore. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 856	Posted - 2014.01.26 16:49:00 - [2] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Chief-Shotty wrote: I got to admit, getting kills with a flaylock pistol is just LOL! However it really has no role on the field. The MD is a niche weapon but great when red dots crowd an objective/area. Flaylock is a finisher? Anything could be a finisher, try sleek locus grenades. However as a sidearm, it does not serve its purpose. A sidearm should fulfill 1 of 3 conditions 1) an alternate when primary is unsuited to a situation. CQB Situation: an SMG sidearm to Mass Driver or Sniper fit 2)a fallback when in a last ditch defense or when primary runs dry mid battle. I.E Scrambler pistol 3)a specialty weapon for special engagements i.e nova knives for assassination or behind lines work Now ask yourself can the flaylock meet any of those conditions and RELIABLY perform that role consistently? i say remove, but a buff to damage OR blast radius would bring it back. Plus a bonus to clip size wouldn't hurt either? ^^This. I couldn't agree more. If they buffed it to have prenerf values and 10-20% more damage, radius, and fire rate (possibly fire rate) and increased the ammo count OR something like that it could be fixed. -OR- It can specialized to have a truely niche role of CQC by increasing Blast radius, damage, clip by 2, and increasing projectile travel speed BUT having its rounds explode after traveling 15m distance, and increasing the projectile arch increasing reload time to a little more than an SMG. Increasing reload time and decreasing range will prevent roof spamming (although TBH spamming from the roof took skill because the flaylocks fire actual projectiles with travel speeds and trajectorys). The increased reload will always prevent spamming because SMGs, and scrambler pistols reload much faster and punish you less for missing. Increasing the arch will make longer shots difficult to pull off and the shorter maximum distance will make mid range combat all but impossible. So, it will effectively be pigeon holed to CQC. That is niche. However, you and I both know everyone will complain and moan about any buffs to it so, forget it, i'd rather have it removed now and get my SP back and spam Scr pistols and SMGs and the new side arms (the caldari SMG will have more range and damage than the current SMG), than fight for months on end to get a possible buff only to have it reversed or worse completely rejected. So basically you want it to be an MD in the secondary slot? Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!