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Teilka Darkmist wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Teilka Darkmist wrote:

The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust?

Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want.

Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no.

Wow, you just enlightened me.

I had no idea DUST played anything like EVE. Wow, I should just run out to a belt and do some mining, maybe go clear up some rats or just fly around looking for people to troll. Let me just unlock a host of new suits with a single skill and go run some cool scams in a trade hub local while I'm scanning the market for good trade opportunities. Nope, guess I'll just go plexing for a while, stop some Incursions, maybe go infiltrate some null sec space just for giggles.

You learnt me, man DUST is so much cooler than I remember.

Wow.

So your point is that because a free, one year old game isn't as well developed as a ten year old game with thousands of monthly subscribers yet you should get SP back bcause you're too lazy to work out how to play the way you want to with the skills you already have? Because in terms of fitting dropsuits to complement your style, dust is pretty damn similar to fitting ships in eve so my point is actually valid.

Also, and this is a pretty minor point, all things considered, I'm not a man, I'm a woman, you really shouldn't make assumptions.

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Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 944	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:45:00 - [1] - Quote YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10237	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:46:00 - [2] - Quote Posting in a duplicate troll thread. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 290	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:03:00 - [3] - Quote LOL NO SP RESPEC YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHOOSING SKILLS WITH ONE BONUS AND HAVING IT AND THE SUIT REPLACED WITH SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT? FOR THE REPLACEMENT, IT'S INVALIDATING YOUR CHOICE AND FORCING YOU TO PLAY WHAT THEY HAVE NOW DECIDED UPON. FOR A REFUND YOU'D BE ALLOWED TO ACTUALLY MAKE AN INFORMED CHOICE INSTEAD OF BEING FORCED TO REMAIN WITH SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU GOT INTO THE SUIT FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY PEOPLE WHO DON'T SUPPORT REFUNDS DURING MASSIVE OVERHAULS ARE SPACTARDS. That will be all.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 328	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:07:00 - [4] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. Well apparently you don't understand it completely either or you wouldn't be calling what happened in 1.7 a respec... It was a skill point REFUND. They refunded skillpoints for skills that no longer existed. Plain and simple. Players need to get terms right for real meaning to be accomplished. Words do in fact mean things and using cute terms like "respec" improperly only muddies the arguments more. In the meantime, please read and discuss things here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1308	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:07:00 - [5] - Quote YES BUT THERE CHANGING UP THE SUIT ROLE BONUSES AND SH!T SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEIR JUST ADDING A COUPLE WEAPONS AND SUITS YOU CAN EXPECT ATLEAST A DROPSUIT COMAND REFUND! that will be all. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2117	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:12:00 - [6] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. The scrub is strong in you. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1201	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:14:00 - [7] - Quote PLEASE STOP TYPING IN CAPS, I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO READ. if they weren't changing the bonuses on existing suits I might be inclined to agree with you however they are. that combine with the addition of racial heavies makes it worthwhile to give a dropsuit SP refund to me. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2718	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:22:00 - [8] - Quote They also can't just stop with Dropsuit Command. They'll need to do the other two infantry trees if they do one. I'm public in my anti-respec stance but I'd be cool with one last refund due to the sweeping changes just to shut people up. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that some players think this sets a precedence for it happening again when more items are added and things are balanced. CCP feels the exact same way. What happens when racial heavy weapons are added? Respec! Pilot suits? Respec! Bored? Respec! Your finely tuned 100% FOTM skill set is nerfed? Respec! I think CCP won't give one because the trees are not being changed. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Teilka Darkmist 41	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:24:00 - [9] - Quote The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
DR FEB DARKSTAR ARMY 141	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:24:00 - [10] - Quote CAAAAAPPPPPPSSS ARRRREEE ALLL OOVVEERRR TTHHHHEE PLLACCCEE please don't -I'm so awesome,when I walk in a pub, I raise the bar Leader of the Blah

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1499	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:27:00 - [11] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: They also can't just stop with Dropsuit Command. They'll need to do the other two infantry trees if they do one. I'm public in my anti-respec stance but I'd be cool with one last refund due to the sweeping changes just to shut people up. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that some players think this sets a precedence for it happening again when more items are added and things are balanced. CCP feels the exact same way. What happens when racial heavy weapons are added? Respec! Pilot suits? Respec! Bored? Respec! Your finely tuned 100% FOTM skill set is nerfed? Respec! I think CCP won't give one because the trees are not being changed. The skill trees are not being changed, but most of the skills in the dropsuit command tree are being changed. Answer me this. What is your favorite dropsuit? Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
xxwhitedevilxx M Expert Intervention Caldari State 1497	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:27:00 - [12] - Quote WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING!!??!?! Tank 514.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1684	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:28:00 - [13] - Quote Do we have confirmation that the skill tree for infantry isn't being changed? 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1726	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:31:00 - [14] - Quote I support refund Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10242	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:31:00 - [15] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. Wow, you just enlightened me. I had no idea DUST played anything like EVE. Wow, I should just run out to a belt and do some mining, maybe go clear up some rats or just fly around looking for people to troll. Let me just unlock a host of new suits with a single skill and go run some cool scams in a trade hub local while I'm scanning the market for good trade opportunities. Nope, guess I'll just go plexing for a while, stop some Incursions, maybe go infiltrate some null sec space just for giggles. You learnt me, man DUST is so much cooler than I remember. Wow. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 292	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:34:00 - [16] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. There's a difference between entitlement and expectation. Entitlement essentially means that you have a right to something: I'd guess that most of the people that want a skill refund with the dropsuit skill changes are not feeling entitled to a refund, but feel that it would engender a lot of goodwill because it is an enormous shift in what we have been looking at. We are not merely looking at additions to the line-up of suits and modules, but we're looking at a great overhaul of skills, module layouts, SP costs, ISK costs and, most importantly, [b]changes to our choices[/n]. We have all chosen certain things for certain reasons, some for roleplay reasons, some for power and many in between. Personally, I chose my Logistics suit (Gallente) back at the beginning of Uprising because it had the best Logi bonus (the 25% fitting reduction) so that I could support my squadmates the best. I've endured, as have many other Logibros, the torrent of abuse about being FOTM or that I'm overpowered. But the truth is that I chose what I chose because it was the best for doing what I wanted to do, which was support my team to the best of my ability. If the 1.8 update were simply adding suits that I suddenly wanted to go into I would not be adamant about a refund, but that is simply not the case: we are getting new suits (that should have been in from the beginning, bear in mind), new skills and having the rug pulled from under us with regards to the choices we have already made. Instead, the majority of people calling for a refund of dropsuit skill points are expecting a refund because of the incredible upheaval that such an undertaking will have on not only the game but their own playstyles. Changing things so drastically means players need to reevaluate what they are wanting to do and the way they wish to go about it and providing a refund is the best way of doing so.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4149	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:39:00 - [17] - Quote **** MY CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN NOW I CAN'T TURN IT OFF Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Teilka Darkmist 41	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:42:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. Wow, you just enlightened me. I had no idea DUST played anything like EVE. Wow, I should just run out to a belt and do some mining, maybe go clear up some rats or just fly around looking for people to troll. Let me just unlock a host of new suits with a single skill and go run some cool scams in a trade hub local while I'm scanning the market for good trade opportunities. Nope, guess I'll just go plexing for a while, stop some Incursions, maybe go infiltrate some null sec space just for giggles. You learnt me, man DUST is so much cooler than I remember. Wow. So your point is that because a free, one year old game isn't as well developed as a ten year old game with thousands of monthly subscribers yet you should get SP back bcause you're too lazy to work out how to play the way you want to with the skills you already have? Because in terms of fitting dropsuits to complement your style, dust is pretty damn similar to fitting ships in eve so my point is actually valid. Also, and this is a pretty minor point, all things considered, I'm not a man, I'm a woman, you really shouldn't make assumptions. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1884	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:46:00 - [19] - Quote I specced mimintar assault for the sidearm bonus. Thats now gone. Hows that fair for me? Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10242	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:48:00 - [20] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. Wow, you just enlightened me. I had no idea DUST played anything like EVE. Wow, I should just run out to a belt and do some mining, maybe go clear up some rats or just fly around looking for people to troll. Let me just unlock a host of new suits with a single skill and go run some cool scams in a trade hub local while I'm scanning the market for good trade opportunities. Nope, guess I'll just go plexing for a while, stop some Incursions, maybe go infiltrate some null sec space just for giggles. You learnt me, man DUST is so much cooler than I remember. Wow. So your point is that because a free, one year old game isn't as well developed as a ten year old game with thousands of monthly subscribers yet you should get SP back bcause you're too lazy to work out how to play the way you want to with the skills you already have? Because in terms of fitting dropsuits to complement your style, dust is pretty damn similar to fitting ships in eve so my point is actually valid. Also, and this is a pretty minor point, all things considered, I'm not a man, I'm a woman, you really shouldn't make assumptions. 'man' used like that does not refer to gender. Also, DUST is only free if you didn't pay for it, just like EVE only costs money if you do pay for it, cuz you know, PLEX. The point is that in EVE if some of your bonuses are jumbled around, you have PLENTY of other things to do still, and many of those skills will cross over to other playstyles. This is not so in DUST. In DUST, you shoot the other dude, you heal that dude shooting the other dude, or you AFK. Those are your in game options. Changing everything up entirely invalidates some past decisions, it totally throws current builds out of wack (for better or worse), and when you are stuck in your single type of suit with your couple of guns game in and game out, it takes a significantly larger toll on a players enjoyment. Basically speaking: different games are in fact, different. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Onesimus Tarsus 901	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:52:00 - [21] - Quote FULL RESPECS ON DEMAND FROM AN ITEM ON THE NEOCOM MENU. Because, it just doesn't make a difference to the overall game, and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. I don't date magnets, but it's difficult to deny the attraction.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 950	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:54:00 - [22] - Quote 'inb4lock' Smeehf.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2547	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:54:00 - [23] - Quote I'm sure it's been touched on, but they might as well of removed skills and replaced items with the reworking of bonuses and introduction of missing racial suits. I'm all for not refunding weapon and dropsuit upgrade SP (although I'd love to have it), but I just can't see how anyone couldn't support getting SP back for dropsuits. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2194	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:55:00 - [24] - Quote CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 441	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:02:00 - [25] - Quote OP is clearly afraid of people streamlining their SP cause he's a soft **** scrub who's going to get owned.. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making Proud Minmatar
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 570	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:07:00 - [26] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. The scrub is strong in you. LMFAO!!!!!! Beautiful... CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2196	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:15:00 - [27] - Quote I'M GOING TO PRETEND LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS IN THESE FINAL STAGES OF BETA SO I CAN HAVE MY E-HONOR TO LEAN ON WHEN CHATTING WITH THE 238 PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE IN A YEAR. HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE FUN PLAYING THAT GAME THAT HAD ALL OF ITS BASIC CONTENT IN ORDER AND BALANCED AT LAUNCH WITH MUCH BETTER SERVERS THAT AREN'T OUTPERFORMED BY A FEW THOUSAND USERS. Natalie Portman.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 175	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:17:00 - [28] - Quote Heavies had ONE suit to choose from. Scouts had TWO. Now we will both have four. That's a major change. We should both get a SP suit refund. Even though the other suits are getting less of a change they should get a suit refund also just to be fair. But no one should get a total respec.
Onesimus Tarsus 902	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:17:00 - [29] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: I'M GOING TO PRETEND LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS IN THESE FINAL STAGES OF BETA SO I CAN HAVE MY E-HONOR TO LEAN ON WHEN CHATTING WITH THE 238 PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE IN A YEAR. HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE FUN PLAYING THAT GAME THAT HAD ALL OF ITS BASIC CONTENT IN ORDER AND BALANCED AT LAUNCH WITH MUCH BETTER SERVERS THAT AREN'T OUTPERFORMED BY A FEW THOUSAND USERS. I'm just replying to this to see if you'll repost, because I want to see your signature again. Rowr. I don't date magnets, but it's difficult to deny the attraction.
Teilka Darkmist 41	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:20:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: 'man' used like that does not refer to gender. Also, DUST is only free if you didn't pay for it, just like EVE only costs money if you do pay for it, cuz you know, PLEX. The point is that in EVE if some of your bonuses are jumbled around, you have PLENTY of other things to do still, and many of those skills will cross over to other playstyles. This is not so in DUST. In DUST, you shoot the other dude, you heal that dude shooting the other dude, or you AFK. Those are your in game options. Changing everything up entirely invalidates some past decisions, it totally throws current builds out of wack (for better or worse), and when you are stuck in your single type of suit with your couple of guns game in and game out, it takes a significantly larger toll on a players enjoyment. Basically speaking: different games are in fact, different. I'm not here to argue about gender politics and semantics, which I could, so I'll leave that point alone. Dust is free because you do not have to pay to play it. Your argument is that in eve you can pay with isk and that's true to a point. The isk buys you a plex from the player market which another player has paid real money to buy in the first place. Just because CCP let you buy plex with isk doesn't mean they haven't got money for the time you get to play. If plex weren't on the market, you would have to pay to play. True, there are other things to do in Eve, but quite a number of people choose not to do them and not to skill for them like you, and others, including me, chose not to spread your sp out across more options. And each expansion brings changes to one or more playstyles, even the more minor seeming ones. Yes the free game has less options than the paid one, I fail to see why that makes it so you have to have the refund to keep playing how you want to. Each type of suit will still have bonuses to assist the roles it was designed for, you don't have to fit to those bonuses if you don't want to. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.



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