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Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 944	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:45:00 - [1] - Quote YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10237	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:46:00 - [2] - Quote Posting in a duplicate troll thread. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 290	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:03:00 - [3] - Quote LOL NO SP RESPEC YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHOOSING SKILLS WITH ONE BONUS AND HAVING IT AND THE SUIT REPLACED WITH SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT? FOR THE REPLACEMENT, IT'S INVALIDATING YOUR CHOICE AND FORCING YOU TO PLAY WHAT THEY HAVE NOW DECIDED UPON. FOR A REFUND YOU'D BE ALLOWED TO ACTUALLY MAKE AN INFORMED CHOICE INSTEAD OF BEING FORCED TO REMAIN WITH SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU GOT INTO THE SUIT FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY PEOPLE WHO DON'T SUPPORT REFUNDS DURING MASSIVE OVERHAULS ARE SPACTARDS. That will be all.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 328	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:07:00 - [4] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. Well apparently you don't understand it completely either or you wouldn't be calling what happened in 1.7 a respec... It was a skill point REFUND. They refunded skillpoints for skills that no longer existed. Plain and simple. Players need to get terms right for real meaning to be accomplished. Words do in fact mean things and using cute terms like "respec" improperly only muddies the arguments more. In the meantime, please read and discuss things here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1308	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:07:00 - [5] - Quote YES BUT THERE CHANGING UP THE SUIT ROLE BONUSES AND SH!T SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEIR JUST ADDING A COUPLE WEAPONS AND SUITS YOU CAN EXPECT ATLEAST A DROPSUIT COMAND REFUND! that will be all. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2117	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:12:00 - [6] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. The scrub is strong in you. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1201	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:14:00 - [7] - Quote PLEASE STOP TYPING IN CAPS, I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO READ. if they weren't changing the bonuses on existing suits I might be inclined to agree with you however they are. that combine with the addition of racial heavies makes it worthwhile to give a dropsuit SP refund to me. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2718	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:22:00 - [8] - Quote They also can't just stop with Dropsuit Command. They'll need to do the other two infantry trees if they do one. I'm public in my anti-respec stance but I'd be cool with one last refund due to the sweeping changes just to shut people up. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that some players think this sets a precedence for it happening again when more items are added and things are balanced. CCP feels the exact same way. What happens when racial heavy weapons are added? Respec! Pilot suits? Respec! Bored? Respec! Your finely tuned 100% FOTM skill set is nerfed? Respec! I think CCP won't give one because the trees are not being changed. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Teilka Darkmist 41	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:24:00 - [9] - Quote The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
DR FEB DARKSTAR ARMY 141	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:24:00 - [10] - Quote CAAAAAPPPPPPSSS ARRRREEE ALLL OOVVEERRR TTHHHHEE PLLACCCEE please don't -I'm so awesome,when I walk in a pub, I raise the bar Leader of the Blah

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1499	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:27:00 - [11] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: They also can't just stop with Dropsuit Command. They'll need to do the other two infantry trees if they do one. I'm public in my anti-respec stance but I'd be cool with one last refund due to the sweeping changes just to shut people up. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that some players think this sets a precedence for it happening again when more items are added and things are balanced. CCP feels the exact same way. What happens when racial heavy weapons are added? Respec! Pilot suits? Respec! Bored? Respec! Your finely tuned 100% FOTM skill set is nerfed? Respec! I think CCP won't give one because the trees are not being changed. The skill trees are not being changed, but most of the skills in the dropsuit command tree are being changed. Answer me this. What is your favorite dropsuit? Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
xxwhitedevilxx M Expert Intervention Caldari State 1497	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:27:00 - [12] - Quote WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING!!??!?! Tank 514.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1684	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:28:00 - [13] - Quote Do we have confirmation that the skill tree for infantry isn't being changed? 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1726	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:31:00 - [14] - Quote I support refund Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10242	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:31:00 - [15] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. Wow, you just enlightened me. I had no idea DUST played anything like EVE. Wow, I should just run out to a belt and do some mining, maybe go clear up some rats or just fly around looking for people to troll. Let me just unlock a host of new suits with a single skill and go run some cool scams in a trade hub local while I'm scanning the market for good trade opportunities. Nope, guess I'll just go plexing for a while, stop some Incursions, maybe go infiltrate some null sec space just for giggles. You learnt me, man DUST is so much cooler than I remember. Wow. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 292	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:34:00 - [16] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. There's a difference between entitlement and expectation. Entitlement essentially means that you have a right to something: I'd guess that most of the people that want a skill refund with the dropsuit skill changes are not feeling entitled to a refund, but feel that it would engender a lot of goodwill because it is an enormous shift in what we have been looking at. We are not merely looking at additions to the line-up of suits and modules, but we're looking at a great overhaul of skills, module layouts, SP costs, ISK costs and, most importantly, [b]changes to our choices[/n]. We have all chosen certain things for certain reasons, some for roleplay reasons, some for power and many in between. Personally, I chose my Logistics suit (Gallente) back at the beginning of Uprising because it had the best Logi bonus (the 25% fitting reduction) so that I could support my squadmates the best. I've endured, as have many other Logibros, the torrent of abuse about being FOTM or that I'm overpowered. But the truth is that I chose what I chose because it was the best for doing what I wanted to do, which was support my team to the best of my ability. If the 1.8 update were simply adding suits that I suddenly wanted to go into I would not be adamant about a refund, but that is simply not the case: we are getting new suits (that should have been in from the beginning, bear in mind), new skills and having the rug pulled from under us with regards to the choices we have already made. Instead, the majority of people calling for a refund of dropsuit skill points are expecting a refund because of the incredible upheaval that such an undertaking will have on not only the game but their own playstyles. Changing things so drastically means players need to reevaluate what they are wanting to do and the way they wish to go about it and providing a refund is the best way of doing so.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4149	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:39:00 - [17] - Quote **** MY CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN NOW I CAN'T TURN IT OFF Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Teilka Darkmist 41	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:42:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. Wow, you just enlightened me. I had no idea DUST played anything like EVE. Wow, I should just run out to a belt and do some mining, maybe go clear up some rats or just fly around looking for people to troll. Let me just unlock a host of new suits with a single skill and go run some cool scams in a trade hub local while I'm scanning the market for good trade opportunities. Nope, guess I'll just go plexing for a while, stop some Incursions, maybe go infiltrate some null sec space just for giggles. You learnt me, man DUST is so much cooler than I remember. Wow. So your point is that because a free, one year old game isn't as well developed as a ten year old game with thousands of monthly subscribers yet you should get SP back bcause you're too lazy to work out how to play the way you want to with the skills you already have? Because in terms of fitting dropsuits to complement your style, dust is pretty damn similar to fitting ships in eve so my point is actually valid. Also, and this is a pretty minor point, all things considered, I'm not a man, I'm a woman, you really shouldn't make assumptions. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1884	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:46:00 - [19] - Quote I specced mimintar assault for the sidearm bonus. Thats now gone. Hows that fair for me? Minmatar Assault. Hopeful Caldari Scout soon. praying for that respec.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10242	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:48:00 - [20] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. Wow, you just enlightened me. I had no idea DUST played anything like EVE. Wow, I should just run out to a belt and do some mining, maybe go clear up some rats or just fly around looking for people to troll. Let me just unlock a host of new suits with a single skill and go run some cool scams in a trade hub local while I'm scanning the market for good trade opportunities. Nope, guess I'll just go plexing for a while, stop some Incursions, maybe go infiltrate some null sec space just for giggles. You learnt me, man DUST is so much cooler than I remember. Wow. So your point is that because a free, one year old game isn't as well developed as a ten year old game with thousands of monthly subscribers yet you should get SP back bcause you're too lazy to work out how to play the way you want to with the skills you already have? Because in terms of fitting dropsuits to complement your style, dust is pretty damn similar to fitting ships in eve so my point is actually valid. Also, and this is a pretty minor point, all things considered, I'm not a man, I'm a woman, you really shouldn't make assumptions. 'man' used like that does not refer to gender. Also, DUST is only free if you didn't pay for it, just like EVE only costs money if you do pay for it, cuz you know, PLEX. The point is that in EVE if some of your bonuses are jumbled around, you have PLENTY of other things to do still, and many of those skills will cross over to other playstyles. This is not so in DUST. In DUST, you shoot the other dude, you heal that dude shooting the other dude, or you AFK. Those are your in game options. Changing everything up entirely invalidates some past decisions, it totally throws current builds out of wack (for better or worse), and when you are stuck in your single type of suit with your couple of guns game in and game out, it takes a significantly larger toll on a players enjoyment. Basically speaking: different games are in fact, different. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Onesimus Tarsus 901	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:52:00 - [21] - Quote FULL RESPECS ON DEMAND FROM AN ITEM ON THE NEOCOM MENU. Because, it just doesn't make a difference to the overall game, and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. I don't date magnets, but it's difficult to deny the attraction.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 950	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:54:00 - [22] - Quote 'inb4lock' Smeehf.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2547	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:54:00 - [23] - Quote I'm sure it's been touched on, but they might as well of removed skills and replaced items with the reworking of bonuses and introduction of missing racial suits. I'm all for not refunding weapon and dropsuit upgrade SP (although I'd love to have it), but I just can't see how anyone couldn't support getting SP back for dropsuits. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2194	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:55:00 - [24] - Quote CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 441	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:02:00 - [25] - Quote OP is clearly afraid of people streamlining their SP cause he's a soft **** scrub who's going to get owned.. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making Proud Minmatar
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 570	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:07:00 - [26] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. The scrub is strong in you. LMFAO!!!!!! Beautiful... CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2196	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:15:00 - [27] - Quote I'M GOING TO PRETEND LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS IN THESE FINAL STAGES OF BETA SO I CAN HAVE MY E-HONOR TO LEAN ON WHEN CHATTING WITH THE 238 PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE IN A YEAR. HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE FUN PLAYING THAT GAME THAT HAD ALL OF ITS BASIC CONTENT IN ORDER AND BALANCED AT LAUNCH WITH MUCH BETTER SERVERS THAT AREN'T OUTPERFORMED BY A FEW THOUSAND USERS. Natalie Portman.
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 175	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:17:00 - [28] - Quote Heavies had ONE suit to choose from. Scouts had TWO. Now we will both have four. That's a major change. We should both get a SP suit refund. Even though the other suits are getting less of a change they should get a suit refund also just to be fair. But no one should get a total respec.
Onesimus Tarsus 902	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:17:00 - [29] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: I'M GOING TO PRETEND LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS IN THESE FINAL STAGES OF BETA SO I CAN HAVE MY E-HONOR TO LEAN ON WHEN CHATTING WITH THE 238 PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE IN A YEAR. HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE FUN PLAYING THAT GAME THAT HAD ALL OF ITS BASIC CONTENT IN ORDER AND BALANCED AT LAUNCH WITH MUCH BETTER SERVERS THAT AREN'T OUTPERFORMED BY A FEW THOUSAND USERS. I'm just replying to this to see if you'll repost, because I want to see your signature again. Rowr. I don't date magnets, but it's difficult to deny the attraction.
Teilka Darkmist 41	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:20:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: 'man' used like that does not refer to gender. Also, DUST is only free if you didn't pay for it, just like EVE only costs money if you do pay for it, cuz you know, PLEX. The point is that in EVE if some of your bonuses are jumbled around, you have PLENTY of other things to do still, and many of those skills will cross over to other playstyles. This is not so in DUST. In DUST, you shoot the other dude, you heal that dude shooting the other dude, or you AFK. Those are your in game options. Changing everything up entirely invalidates some past decisions, it totally throws current builds out of wack (for better or worse), and when you are stuck in your single type of suit with your couple of guns game in and game out, it takes a significantly larger toll on a players enjoyment. Basically speaking: different games are in fact, different. I'm not here to argue about gender politics and semantics, which I could, so I'll leave that point alone. Dust is free because you do not have to pay to play it. Your argument is that in eve you can pay with isk and that's true to a point. The isk buys you a plex from the player market which another player has paid real money to buy in the first place. Just because CCP let you buy plex with isk doesn't mean they haven't got money for the time you get to play. If plex weren't on the market, you would have to pay to play. True, there are other things to do in Eve, but quite a number of people choose not to do them and not to skill for them like you, and others, including me, chose not to spread your sp out across more options. And each expansion brings changes to one or more playstyles, even the more minor seeming ones. Yes the free game has less options than the paid one, I fail to see why that makes it so you have to have the refund to keep playing how you want to. Each type of suit will still have bonuses to assist the roles it was designed for, you don't have to fit to those bonuses if you don't want to. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.

Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4517	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:27:00 - [31] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. Well they're also changing the bonuses on every single suit as well as the fitting slots and PG/CPU, which has the likelihood to completely invalidate quite a few fits that people have worked on for a while and gotten good with. When you look at it that way, the idea of a respec seems a bit more reasonable. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Onesimus Tarsus 905	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:30:00 - [32] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: 'man' used like that does not refer to gender. Also, DUST is only free if you didn't pay for it, just like EVE only costs money if you do pay for it, cuz you know, PLEX. The point is that in EVE if some of your bonuses are jumbled around, you have PLENTY of other things to do still, and many of those skills will cross over to other playstyles. This is not so in DUST. In DUST, you shoot the other dude, you heal that dude shooting the other dude, or you AFK. Those are your in game options. Changing everything up entirely invalidates some past decisions, it totally throws current builds out of wack (for better or worse), and when you are stuck in your single type of suit with your couple of guns game in and game out, it takes a significantly larger toll on a players enjoyment. Basically speaking: different games are in fact, different. I'm not here to argue about gender politics and semantics, which I could, so I'll leave that point alone. Dust is free because you do not have to pay to play it. Your argument is that in eve you can pay with isk and that's true to a point. The isk buys you a plex from the player market which another player has paid real money to buy in the first place. Just because CCP let you buy plex with isk doesn't mean they haven't got money for the time you get to play. If plex weren't on the market, you would have to pay to play. True, there are other things to do in Eve, but quite a number of people choose not to do them and not to skill for them like you, and others, including me, chose not to spread your sp out across more options. And each expansion brings changes to one or more playstyles, even the more minor seeming ones. Yes the free game has less options than the paid one, I fail to see why that makes it so you have to have the refund to keep playing how you want to. Each type of suit will still have bonuses to assist the roles it was designed for, you don't have to fit to those bonuses if you don't want to. CCP gave three choices: A, B, and C. Except A and C didn't exist. Someone wanted C and wanted to play, since B was the closest in the unchoices available, they unchose B. Then C and A were made and put into the game, and the player said, "Okay, now can I have C like I wanted form the start since you basically said it was coming but wasn't here yet and I wanted to play in the interim and that was as close as I could unchoose?" CCP, wisely and sagely, should say, "Yes." Because: It doesn't matter at all to the overall game and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. I don't date magnets, but it's difficult to deny the attraction.
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 280	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:37:00 - [33] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: True, there are other things to do in Eve, but quite a number of people choose not to do them and not to skill for them like you, and others, including me, chose not to spread your sp out across more options. And each expansion brings changes to one or more playstyles, even the more minor seeming ones. Yes the free game has less options than the paid one, I fail to see why that makes it so you have to have the refund to keep playing how you want to. Each type of suit will still have bonuses to assist the roles it was designed for, you don't have to fit to those bonuses if you don't want to. So, as someone who only plays heavy, and only enjoys playing heavy, I should have done exactly what for the two years I've been playing the game? Run militia suits? I was promised racial heavies "soon-not-Gäó" a year ago, yet here we are still a month or two away from actually having them. **** off with your hurrdurr I play EVE and we didn't get this so neither should anyone in Dust elitist BS, it's an apples to oranges comparison and you know it. Want to talk entitlement? I'm entitled to stop playing the game for several months while I gain passive SP for the suit I want, during which time CCP will be entitled to a 0% chance of me spending money if I don't get a refund for the SP I was forced to put into Amarr heavies to play the game how I wanted to play. I am far from the only person who feels this way. Some of you "NO RESPEC EVER" lot need to get over yourselves.
major faux-pas Valor Coalition 91	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:37:00 - [34] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. lol, not so clever. on twitter, ccp say the reason for not making a #decision# on sp respec is because whereas vehicles got an overhaul, suits are just getting better at their role.... total bs to a) suggest vehicles didnt get much better in their role, and b) dropsuits are not getting a complete overhaul.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2196	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:38:00 - [35] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Rynoceros wrote: I'M GOING TO PRETEND LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS IN THESE FINAL STAGES OF BETA SO I CAN HAVE MY E-HONOR TO LEAN ON WHEN CHATTING WITH THE 238 PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE IN A YEAR. HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE FUN PLAYING THAT GAME THAT HAD ALL OF ITS BASIC CONTENT IN ORDER AND BALANCED AT LAUNCH WITH MUCH BETTER SERVERS THAT AREN'T OUTPERFORMED BY A FEW THOUSAND USERS. I'm just replying to this to see if you'll repost, because I want to see your signature again. Rowr. Done. Natalie Portman.
Onesimus Tarsus 907	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:41:00 - [36] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Rynoceros wrote: I'M GOING TO PRETEND LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS IN THESE FINAL STAGES OF BETA SO I CAN HAVE MY E-HONOR TO LEAN ON WHEN CHATTING WITH THE 238 PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE IN A YEAR. HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE FUN PLAYING THAT GAME THAT HAD ALL OF ITS BASIC CONTENT IN ORDER AND BALANCED AT LAUNCH WITH MUCH BETTER SERVERS THAT AREN'T OUTPERFORMED BY A FEW THOUSAND USERS. I'm just replying to this to see if you'll repost, because I want to see your signature again. Rowr. Done. Woot! Dang straight I'm skilling into repecs after the next respec!
Lankur Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:44:00 - [37] - Quote EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP TYPING SO LOUD
Sgt Buttscratch 1376	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:57:00 - [38] - Quote We here at the Torgue Corporation sincerely think that this is F*CKING AWESOME!! I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 896	Posted - 2014.01.22 18:49:00 - [39] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. The scrub is strong in you. Quote: Introducing...the Scrub The derogatory term GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ means several different things. One definition is someone (especially a game player) who is not good at something (especially a game). By this definition, we all start out as scrubs, and there is certainly no shame in that. I mean the term differently, though. A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win. Now, everyone begins as a poor playerGÇöit takes time to learn a game to get to a point where you know what youGÇÖre doing. There is the mistaken notion, though, that by merely continuing to play or GÇ£learnGÇ¥ the game, one can become a top player. In reality, the GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before it starts. HeGÇÖs lost the game even before deciding which game to play. His problem? He does not play to win. The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevents him from ever truly competing. These made-up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant. http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6075	Posted - 2014.01.22 18:52:00 - [40] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. I'd happily pay a subscription for Dust if I could earn ISK freely, play for Dust Side PLEX and have even one 10th the features EVE has. That's a **** poor argument and you know it. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 896	Posted - 2014.01.22 18:55:00 - [41] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: So, as someone who only plays heavy, and only enjoys playing heavy, I should have done exactly what for the two years I've been playing the game? Run militia suits? I was promised racial heavies "soon-not-Gäó" a year ago, yet here we are still a month or two away from actually having them. ** off with your hurrdurr I play EVE and we didn't get this so neither should anyone in Dust elitist BS, it's an apples to oranges comparison and you know it. Want to talk entitlement? I'm entitled to stop playing the game for several months while I gain passive SP for the suit I want, during which time CCP will be entitled to a 0% chance of me spending money if I don't get a refund for the SP I was forced to put into Amarr heavies to play the game how I wanted to play. I am far from the only person who feels this way. Some of you "NO RESPEC EVER" lot need to get over yourselves. Bethhy wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote:** Op im too lasy to spend 5 minutes reselecting everything, thats littary the OP arguments. Also based on past precedents people have been forced into the amarr heavy due to no other choice so at the very minimum scouts and heavys need refunds It's been 8 month's..... At some point the Amarr heavy was the only heavy content in the game... and CCP set their bar to high... CCP DIdn't "Owe" anyone the few racial suits.... but it would be nice to have them into the game and like has been asking since uprising launch... and the patch notes of the suits then... specialized bonuses that fit the role instead of what we got. Does it suck that it took 8 months to get this content? yes... does it make the skills that have been part of DUST 514 Launch useless? and everyone should get to trade those in for a new pair of shoes? Meh... Everyone should progress naturally into the new content just like the RR, and the CR, two racial variants of a gun missing... and many more updates of racial parity in the future by the sounds of CCP. If they delete or alter tree's, change multiplyers... Remove items from the game? then they might have to respec skills back to a certain point... But not because new content comes out that everyone feels they have been "owed" even though That IS and Has been been DUST 514. Then now we will get 1.8 and gasp new content, save your Speeeeeeee's
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5837	Posted - 2014.01.22 18:55:00 - [42] - Quote /me jumps on OP's head and pees on it MEOW That will teach you to troll in my territory Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1288	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:00:00 - [43] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: I specced mimintar assault for the sidearm bonus. Thats now gone. Hows that fair for me? As ridiculous as it is to spec into Min Assault for the sidearm bonus, everyone should get a respec because people skill into suits with the intention of playing a certain way. If you force a change that ends up forcing players to play differently than they wanted to, the players should get the option to back out into something else they prefer. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Captain-Awesome Imperfects Negative-Feedback 556	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:11:00 - [44] - Quote You gotta be real ** to want your entire SP refunded back to you. it's not even 2 mill sp to get proto suit, and even then, I doubt many of the QQ'ers can even support themselves with it. So why QQ about something you can't afford? Just HTFU. I don't even play. Not even mad. > Registered: March 2011 >Role:** Logistics Waiting for dust to go on PS4
Onesimus Tarsus 915	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:14:00 - [45] - Quote Captain-Awesome wrote: You gotta be real **** to want your entire SP refunded back to you. it's not even 2 mill sp to get proto suit, and even then, I doubt many of the QQ'ers can even support themselves with it. So why QQ about something you can't afford? Because it doesn't affect the overall game in any way and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. I gotta make this my sig. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 148	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:16:00 - [46] - Quote If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, the you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair.
Onesimus Tarsus 915	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:18:00 - [47] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, the you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair. If you need SP in this game, then you are a bad player. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 148	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:24:00 - [48] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, then you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair. If you need SP in this game, then you are a bad player. At no point did I mention any need for skill points to be good. Sorry that was strictly for the top tier players who only compete because they FOTM, not the little pubstompers.
Onesimus Tarsus 915	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:27:00 - [49] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, then you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair. If you need SP in this game, then you are a bad player. At no point did I mention any need for skill points to be good. Sorry that was strictly for the top tier players who only compete because they FOTM, not the little pubstompers. You're right, they shouldn't have the SP system at all. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 148	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:32:00 - [50] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, then you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair. If you need SP in this game, then you are a bad player. At no point did I mention any need for skill points to be good. Sorry that was strictly for the top tier players who only compete because they FOTM, not the little pubstompers. You're right, they shouldn't have the SP system at all. 0/10 You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear.

Onesimus Tarsus 918	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:35:00 - [51] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, then you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair. If you need SP in this game, then you are a bad player. At no point did I mention any need for skill points to be good. Sorry that was strictly for the top tier players who only compete because they FOTM, not the little pubstompers. You're right, they shouldn't have the SP system at all. 0/10 I quiver in the grip of your logic. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 149	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:39:00 - [52] - Quote You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear.
Sladen Faust 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 29	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:47:00 - [53] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Rynoceros wrote: I'M GOING TO PRETEND LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS IN THESE FINAL STAGES OF BETA SO I CAN HAVE MY E-HONOR TO LEAN ON WHEN CHATTING WITH THE 238 PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE IN A YEAR. HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE FUN PLAYING THAT GAME THAT HAD ALL OF ITS BASIC CONTENT IN ORDER AND BALANCED AT LAUNCH WITH MUCH BETTER SERVERS THAT AREN'T OUTPERFORMED BY A FEW THOUSAND USERS. I'm just replying to this to see if you'll repost, because I want to see your signature again. Rowr. Done. You sir are a genius. GÇ£In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.GÇ¥GÇò Friedrich Nietzsche
Onesimus Tarsus 918	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:49:00 - [54] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear. Right. Remove SP from the game. Agreed. Bumped. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Zimander Tickle My Null-Sac 25	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:52:00 - [55] - Quote I spec to Amarr Assault for there bonus to my shiny Scramble rifle bun now is say by by
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 149	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:53:00 - [56] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear. Right. Remove SP from the game. Agreed. Bumped. You may like Cod better...
Onesimus Tarsus 918	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:56:00 - [57] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear. Right. Remove SP from the game. Agreed. Bumped. You may like Cod better... Or I MIGHT like C.O.D. better, depending on reading level, since we're into personal attacks now. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 149	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:58:00 - [58] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear. Right. Remove SP from the game. Agreed. Bumped. You may like Cod better... Or I MIGHT like C.O.D. better, depending on reading level, since we're into personal attacks now. Or you could try Battlefield.... either or should suit you more...
Onesimus Tarsus 918	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:02:00 - [59] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear. Right. Remove SP from the game. Agreed. Bumped. You may like Cod better... Or I MIGHT like C.O.D. better, depending on reading level, since we're into personal attacks now. Or you could try Battlefield.... either or should suit you more... Why are you seemingly so afraid of a Skill Points system removal? Do you need Skill Points that badly? Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 149	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:05:00 - [60] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Why are you seemingly so afraid of a Skill Points system removal? Do you need Skill Points that badly? I don't..... that's why I have 2 million unallocated SP's. The real question is... why do you need to FOTM so badly?

Onesimus Tarsus 920	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:06:00 - [61] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Why are you seemingly so afraid of a Skill Points system removal? Do you need Skill Points that badly? I don't..... that's why I have 2 million unallocated SP's. The real question is... why do you need to FOTM so badly? So, you never need SP, and all I can do is abuse it, we need to remove it, right? Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Teilka Darkmist 45	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:16:00 - [62] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: [quote=Teilka Darkmist] So, as someone who only plays heavy, and only enjoys playing heavy, I should have done exactly what for the two years I've been playing the game? Run militia suits? I was promised racial heavies "soon-not-Gäó" a year ago, yet here we are still a month or two away from actually having them. **** off with your hurrdurr I play EVE and we didn't get this so neither should anyone in Dust elitist BS, it's an apples to oranges comparison and you know it. Want to talk entitlement? I'm entitled to stop playing the game for several months while I gain passive SP for the suit I want, during which time CCP will be entitled to a 0% chance of me spending money if I don't get a refund for the SP I was forced to put into Amarr heavies to play the game how I wanted to play. I am far from the only person who feels this way. Some of you "NO RESPEC EVER" lot need to get over yourselves. No, as someone who plays heavy and only plays heavy you should have put your SP into the heavy related skill tree, and just not used the excess if you knew that all you ever wanted to do was heavy and there were additional skills coming which you'd most likely want. If I was an eve elitist, I would play eve exclusively. As I play dust as well it's pretty safe to assume I'm not. I keep referring to eve as it's the closest comparison available to dust and the systems in dust originated in eve. You're entitled to play or not as you see fit, I personally think that the queue up skills and learn them over time skill system is preferable to the passive sp system that we have in dust currently, however I can see there would possibly have been problems with that considering a large portion of the skills weren't available at launch. But no-one forced you to spend those SP, you could have, just as easily saved them. I'm not advocating no respec ever as it goes, I'm trying to get my point across that there is an alternative to a respec, which is to work with what you have already skilled into until you have the additional SP to get the additional skills you want for the new equipment. I've already said that if there is a respec, I'll use it to move my SP around so I have better level in what I want to specialise in. But I'm not demanding a respec because bonuses have changed around and things don't do exactly the same things that they did before the patch. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Teilka Darkmist 45	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:21:00 - [63] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. I'd happily pay a subscription for Dust if I could earn ISK freely, play for Dust Side PLEX and have even one 10th the features EVE has. That's a **** poor argument and you know it. I'd happily pay for a sub to dust as it is, knowing from CCP's track record that they're most likely going to use my money to hire the people and spend the time to make the game better. So it's a pretty good argument really. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Siv Ravenwood Ruthless Freedom Force 11	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:26:00 - [64] - Quote Ether way I am staying with Minny Logi however the 2mill I have tied into Cal suits would get places else where and even the points in AR and SCR would get dumped into the combat rifle or maybe into something like RE or Nades. But at the end of the day they are just making my logi suit better so meh
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 340	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:34:00 - [65] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: They also can't just stop with Dropsuit Command. They'll need to do the other two infantry trees if they do one. I'm public in my anti-respec stance but I'd be cool with one last refund due to the sweeping changes just to shut people up. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that some players think this sets a precedence for it happening again when more items are added and things are balanced. CCP feels the exact same way. What happens when racial heavy weapons are added? Respec! Pilot suits? Respec! Bored? Respec! Your finely tuned 100% FOTM skill set is nerfed? Respec! I think CCP won't give one because the trees are not being changed. Actually the heavy weapons yes... the pilot suits NO. Why the difference? Fairness and verisimilitude. Right now we have only two races' versions of heavy weapons. This FORCES the other two races to have to skill into them and use them if they want to use a heavy weapon at all. On the other hand NO ONE has a pilot suit yet. So if you were to introduce ALL four races' versions of a pilot suit AT THE SAME TIME, then everyone is equally able to take advantage of them. Does this help you to see the difference now? Also, I have a thread bout respecs here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 948	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:17:00 - [66] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: LOL NO SP RESPEC YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHOOSING SKILLS WITH ONE BONUS AND HAVING IT AND THE SUIT REPLACED WITH SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT? FOR THE REPLACEMENT, IT'S INVALIDATING YOUR CHOICE AND FORCING YOU TO PLAY WHAT THEY HAVE NOW DECIDED UPON. FOR A REFUND YOU'D BE ALLOWED TO ACTUALLY MAKE AN INFORMED CHOICE INSTEAD OF BEING FORCED TO REMAIN WITH SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU GOT INTO THE SUIT FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY PEOPLE WHO DON'T SUPPORT REFUNDS DURING MASSIVE OVERHAULS ARE SPACTARDS. That will be all. Psst, hey, they previously said (months ago) that Logi/Scout stuff was going to be changed. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1732	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:13:00 - [67] - Quote evetards. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 261	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:20:00 - [68] - Quote Is this thread even viable? Alldin Kan is the OP. This should have been ignored from the get go.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1666	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:20:00 - [69] - Quote I DON'T REALLY CARE BUT CHANCES LIKE THIS TO WTITE IN ALL CAPS ARE JUST TOO FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. I HAVE NOTHING RELEVANT TO SAY, MUCH LIKE THE OP.... http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 951	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:48:00 - [70] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Is this thread even viable? Alldin Kan is the OP. This should have been ignored from the get go. YOU DOUBT THE GREAT ALLDIN??? D: Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon

m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 262	Posted - 2014.01.23 13:54:00 - [71] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: m twiggz wrote: Is this thread even viable? Alldin Kan is the OP. This should have been ignored from the get go. YOU DOUBT THE GREAT ALLDIN??? D: NOT ONLY DO I DOUBT, BUT I DEFY!
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 994	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:16:00 - [72] - Quote bump Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Battle Academy LOL Plasma Cannon
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10963	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:21:00 - [73] - Quote Backlogged content =/= new content /thread Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
BAD FURRY SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 534	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:22:00 - [74] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. Report ! Yes i am a Undead Hell Wolf ... nice to meat you!
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 304	Posted - 2014.02.17 17:30:00 - [75] - Quote I think Respec respec is supposed to be reskill SP Respec refund? No?


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