DUST Search - LOL SP RESPEC

DUST Fiend wrote:

Teilka Darkmist wrote:

The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust?

Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want.

Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no.

Wow, you just enlightened me.

I had no idea DUST played anything like EVE. Wow, I should just run out to a belt and do some mining, maybe go clear up some rats or just fly around looking for people to troll. Let me just unlock a host of new suits with a single skill and go run some cool scams in a trade hub local while I'm scanning the market for good trade opportunities. Nope, guess I'll just go plexing for a while, stop some Incursions, maybe go infiltrate some null sec space just for giggles.

You learnt me, man DUST is so much cooler than I remember.

Wow.

When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.


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Teilka Darkmist 41	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:24:00 - [1] - Quote The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Teilka Darkmist 41	Posted - 2014.01.22 16:42:00 - [2] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. Wow, you just enlightened me. I had no idea DUST played anything like EVE. Wow, I should just run out to a belt and do some mining, maybe go clear up some rats or just fly around looking for people to troll. Let me just unlock a host of new suits with a single skill and go run some cool scams in a trade hub local while I'm scanning the market for good trade opportunities. Nope, guess I'll just go plexing for a while, stop some Incursions, maybe go infiltrate some null sec space just for giggles. You learnt me, man DUST is so much cooler than I remember. Wow. So your point is that because a free, one year old game isn't as well developed as a ten year old game with thousands of monthly subscribers yet you should get SP back bcause you're too lazy to work out how to play the way you want to with the skills you already have? Because in terms of fitting dropsuits to complement your style, dust is pretty damn similar to fitting ships in eve so my point is actually valid. Also, and this is a pretty minor point, all things considered, I'm not a man, I'm a woman, you really shouldn't make assumptions. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Teilka Darkmist 41	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:20:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: 'man' used like that does not refer to gender. Also, DUST is only free if you didn't pay for it, just like EVE only costs money if you do pay for it, cuz you know, PLEX. The point is that in EVE if some of your bonuses are jumbled around, you have PLENTY of other things to do still, and many of those skills will cross over to other playstyles. This is not so in DUST. In DUST, you shoot the other dude, you heal that dude shooting the other dude, or you AFK. Those are your in game options. Changing everything up entirely invalidates some past decisions, it totally throws current builds out of wack (for better or worse), and when you are stuck in your single type of suit with your couple of guns game in and game out, it takes a significantly larger toll on a players enjoyment. Basically speaking: different games are in fact, different. I'm not here to argue about gender politics and semantics, which I could, so I'll leave that point alone. Dust is free because you do not have to pay to play it. Your argument is that in eve you can pay with isk and that's true to a point. The isk buys you a plex from the player market which another player has paid real money to buy in the first place. Just because CCP let you buy plex with isk doesn't mean they haven't got money for the time you get to play. If plex weren't on the market, you would have to pay to play. True, there are other things to do in Eve, but quite a number of people choose not to do them and not to skill for them like you, and others, including me, chose not to spread your sp out across more options. And each expansion brings changes to one or more playstyles, even the more minor seeming ones. Yes the free game has less options than the paid one, I fail to see why that makes it so you have to have the refund to keep playing how you want to. Each type of suit will still have bonuses to assist the roles it was designed for, you don't have to fit to those bonuses if you don't want to. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Teilka Darkmist 45	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:16:00 - [4] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: [quote=Teilka Darkmist] So, as someone who only plays heavy, and only enjoys playing heavy, I should have done exactly what for the two years I've been playing the game? Run militia suits? I was promised racial heavies "soon-not-Gäó" a year ago, yet here we are still a month or two away from actually having them. **** off with your hurrdurr I play EVE and we didn't get this so neither should anyone in Dust elitist BS, it's an apples to oranges comparison and you know it. Want to talk entitlement? I'm entitled to stop playing the game for several months while I gain passive SP for the suit I want, during which time CCP will be entitled to a 0% chance of me spending money if I don't get a refund for the SP I was forced to put into Amarr heavies to play the game how I wanted to play. I am far from the only person who feels this way. Some of you "NO RESPEC EVER" lot need to get over yourselves. No, as someone who plays heavy and only plays heavy you should have put your SP into the heavy related skill tree, and just not used the excess if you knew that all you ever wanted to do was heavy and there were additional skills coming which you'd most likely want. If I was an eve elitist, I would play eve exclusively. As I play dust as well it's pretty safe to assume I'm not. I keep referring to eve as it's the closest comparison available to dust and the systems in dust originated in eve. You're entitled to play or not as you see fit, I personally think that the queue up skills and learn them over time skill system is preferable to the passive sp system that we have in dust currently, however I can see there would possibly have been problems with that considering a large portion of the skills weren't available at launch. But no-one forced you to spend those SP, you could have, just as easily saved them. I'm not advocating no respec ever as it goes, I'm trying to get my point across that there is an alternative to a respec, which is to work with what you have already skilled into until you have the additional SP to get the additional skills you want for the new equipment. I've already said that if there is a respec, I'll use it to move my SP around so I have better level in what I want to specialise in. But I'm not demanding a respec because bonuses have changed around and things don't do exactly the same things that they did before the patch. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Teilka Darkmist 45	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:21:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. I'd happily pay a subscription for Dust if I could earn ISK freely, play for Dust Side PLEX and have even one 10th the features EVE has. That's a **** poor argument and you know it. I'd happily pay for a sub to dust as it is, knowing from CCP's track record that they're most likely going to use my money to hire the people and spend the time to make the game better. So it's a pretty good argument really. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.