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Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4517	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:27:00 - [31] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. Well they're also changing the bonuses on every single suit as well as the fitting slots and PG/CPU, which has the likelihood to completely invalidate quite a few fits that people have worked on for a while and gotten good with. When you look at it that way, the idea of a respec seems a bit more reasonable. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Onesimus Tarsus 905	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:30:00 - [32] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: 'man' used like that does not refer to gender. Also, DUST is only free if you didn't pay for it, just like EVE only costs money if you do pay for it, cuz you know, PLEX. The point is that in EVE if some of your bonuses are jumbled around, you have PLENTY of other things to do still, and many of those skills will cross over to other playstyles. This is not so in DUST. In DUST, you shoot the other dude, you heal that dude shooting the other dude, or you AFK. Those are your in game options. Changing everything up entirely invalidates some past decisions, it totally throws current builds out of wack (for better or worse), and when you are stuck in your single type of suit with your couple of guns game in and game out, it takes a significantly larger toll on a players enjoyment. Basically speaking: different games are in fact, different. I'm not here to argue about gender politics and semantics, which I could, so I'll leave that point alone. Dust is free because you do not have to pay to play it. Your argument is that in eve you can pay with isk and that's true to a point. The isk buys you a plex from the player market which another player has paid real money to buy in the first place. Just because CCP let you buy plex with isk doesn't mean they haven't got money for the time you get to play. If plex weren't on the market, you would have to pay to play. True, there are other things to do in Eve, but quite a number of people choose not to do them and not to skill for them like you, and others, including me, chose not to spread your sp out across more options. And each expansion brings changes to one or more playstyles, even the more minor seeming ones. Yes the free game has less options than the paid one, I fail to see why that makes it so you have to have the refund to keep playing how you want to. Each type of suit will still have bonuses to assist the roles it was designed for, you don't have to fit to those bonuses if you don't want to. CCP gave three choices: A, B, and C. Except A and C didn't exist. Someone wanted C and wanted to play, since B was the closest in the unchoices available, they unchose B. Then C and A were made and put into the game, and the player said, "Okay, now can I have C like I wanted form the start since you basically said it was coming but wasn't here yet and I wanted to play in the interim and that was as close as I could unchoose?" CCP, wisely and sagely, should say, "Yes." Because: It doesn't matter at all to the overall game and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. I don't date magnets, but it's difficult to deny the attraction.
Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 280	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:37:00 - [33] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: True, there are other things to do in Eve, but quite a number of people choose not to do them and not to skill for them like you, and others, including me, chose not to spread your sp out across more options. And each expansion brings changes to one or more playstyles, even the more minor seeming ones. Yes the free game has less options than the paid one, I fail to see why that makes it so you have to have the refund to keep playing how you want to. Each type of suit will still have bonuses to assist the roles it was designed for, you don't have to fit to those bonuses if you don't want to. So, as someone who only plays heavy, and only enjoys playing heavy, I should have done exactly what for the two years I've been playing the game? Run militia suits? I was promised racial heavies "soon-not-Gäó" a year ago, yet here we are still a month or two away from actually having them. **** off with your hurrdurr I play EVE and we didn't get this so neither should anyone in Dust elitist BS, it's an apples to oranges comparison and you know it. Want to talk entitlement? I'm entitled to stop playing the game for several months while I gain passive SP for the suit I want, during which time CCP will be entitled to a 0% chance of me spending money if I don't get a refund for the SP I was forced to put into Amarr heavies to play the game how I wanted to play. I am far from the only person who feels this way. Some of you "NO RESPEC EVER" lot need to get over yourselves.
major faux-pas Valor Coalition 91	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:37:00 - [34] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. lol, not so clever. on twitter, ccp say the reason for not making a #decision# on sp respec is because whereas vehicles got an overhaul, suits are just getting better at their role.... total bs to a) suggest vehicles didnt get much better in their role, and b) dropsuits are not getting a complete overhaul.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2196	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:38:00 - [35] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Rynoceros wrote: I'M GOING TO PRETEND LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS IN THESE FINAL STAGES OF BETA SO I CAN HAVE MY E-HONOR TO LEAN ON WHEN CHATTING WITH THE 238 PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE IN A YEAR. HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE FUN PLAYING THAT GAME THAT HAD ALL OF ITS BASIC CONTENT IN ORDER AND BALANCED AT LAUNCH WITH MUCH BETTER SERVERS THAT AREN'T OUTPERFORMED BY A FEW THOUSAND USERS. I'm just replying to this to see if you'll repost, because I want to see your signature again. Rowr. Done. Natalie Portman.
Onesimus Tarsus 907	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:41:00 - [36] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Rynoceros wrote: I'M GOING TO PRETEND LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS IN THESE FINAL STAGES OF BETA SO I CAN HAVE MY E-HONOR TO LEAN ON WHEN CHATTING WITH THE 238 PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE IN A YEAR. HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE FUN PLAYING THAT GAME THAT HAD ALL OF ITS BASIC CONTENT IN ORDER AND BALANCED AT LAUNCH WITH MUCH BETTER SERVERS THAT AREN'T OUTPERFORMED BY A FEW THOUSAND USERS. I'm just replying to this to see if you'll repost, because I want to see your signature again. Rowr. Done. Woot! Dang straight I'm skilling into repecs after the next respec!
Lankur Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:44:00 - [37] - Quote EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP TYPING SO LOUD
Sgt Buttscratch 1376	Posted - 2014.01.22 17:57:00 - [38] - Quote We here at the Torgue Corporation sincerely think that this is F*CKING AWESOME!! I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 896	Posted - 2014.01.22 18:49:00 - [39] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: YOU KNOW THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SP RESPEC FOR 1.7 AND 1.8? FOR 1.7 THE ENTIRE SKILL TREE FOR VEHICLES GOT RESTRUCTURED. FOR 1.8 WE'RE GETTING NEW CONTENT + EXTRA SKILLS TO THE CURRENT SKILL TREE. UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY THERE'S LITTLE CHANCE FOR 1.8 SP RESPEC. That will be all. The scrub is strong in you. Quote: Introducing...the Scrub The derogatory term GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ means several different things. One definition is someone (especially a game player) who is not good at something (especially a game). By this definition, we all start out as scrubs, and there is certainly no shame in that. I mean the term differently, though. A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win. Now, everyone begins as a poor playerGÇöit takes time to learn a game to get to a point where you know what youGÇÖre doing. There is the mistaken notion, though, that by merely continuing to play or GÇ£learnGÇ¥ the game, one can become a top player. In reality, the GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before it starts. HeGÇÖs lost the game even before deciding which game to play. His problem? He does not play to win. The scrub would take great issue with this statement for he usually believes that he is playing to win, but he is bound up by an intricate construct of fictitious rules that prevents him from ever truly competing. These made-up rules vary from game to game, of course, but their character remains constant. http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 6075	Posted - 2014.01.22 18:52:00 - [40] - Quote Teilka Darkmist wrote: The entitlement some people obviously feel is amazing. Tell me, how much is your monthly subscription to Dust? Go look at the Eve forums around whenever an expansion comes out. We don't keep moaning about how the game's changed so much and we want our SP back so we can play the role we want. We look at the stats, look at our skills and what we want to do and we play around with fittings so we can do what we want. Will I use a respec/refund/ whatever if they give it? Yes, I'd be stupid not to. Do I feel entitled to one? Hell no. I'd happily pay a subscription for Dust if I could earn ISK freely, play for Dust Side PLEX and have even one 10th the features EVE has. That's a **** poor argument and you know it. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 896	Posted - 2014.01.22 18:55:00 - [41] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: So, as someone who only plays heavy, and only enjoys playing heavy, I should have done exactly what for the two years I've been playing the game? Run militia suits? I was promised racial heavies "soon-not-Gäó" a year ago, yet here we are still a month or two away from actually having them. ** off with your hurrdurr I play EVE and we didn't get this so neither should anyone in Dust elitist BS, it's an apples to oranges comparison and you know it. Want to talk entitlement? I'm entitled to stop playing the game for several months while I gain passive SP for the suit I want, during which time CCP will be entitled to a 0% chance of me spending money if I don't get a refund for the SP I was forced to put into Amarr heavies to play the game how I wanted to play. I am far from the only person who feels this way. Some of you "NO RESPEC EVER" lot need to get over yourselves. Bethhy wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote:** Op im too lasy to spend 5 minutes reselecting everything, thats littary the OP arguments. Also based on past precedents people have been forced into the amarr heavy due to no other choice so at the very minimum scouts and heavys need refunds It's been 8 month's..... At some point the Amarr heavy was the only heavy content in the game... and CCP set their bar to high... CCP DIdn't "Owe" anyone the few racial suits.... but it would be nice to have them into the game and like has been asking since uprising launch... and the patch notes of the suits then... specialized bonuses that fit the role instead of what we got. Does it suck that it took 8 months to get this content? yes... does it make the skills that have been part of DUST 514 Launch useless? and everyone should get to trade those in for a new pair of shoes? Meh... Everyone should progress naturally into the new content just like the RR, and the CR, two racial variants of a gun missing... and many more updates of racial parity in the future by the sounds of CCP. If they delete or alter tree's, change multiplyers... Remove items from the game? then they might have to respec skills back to a certain point... But not because new content comes out that everyone feels they have been "owed" even though That IS and Has been been DUST 514. Then now we will get 1.8 and gasp new content, save your Speeeeeeee's
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5837	Posted - 2014.01.22 18:55:00 - [42] - Quote /me jumps on OP's head and pees on it MEOW That will teach you to troll in my territory Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1288	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:00:00 - [43] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: I specced mimintar assault for the sidearm bonus. Thats now gone. Hows that fair for me? As ridiculous as it is to spec into Min Assault for the sidearm bonus, everyone should get a respec because people skill into suits with the intention of playing a certain way. If you force a change that ends up forcing players to play differently than they wanted to, the players should get the option to back out into something else they prefer. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Captain-Awesome Imperfects Negative-Feedback 556	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:11:00 - [44] - Quote You gotta be real ** to want your entire SP refunded back to you. it's not even 2 mill sp to get proto suit, and even then, I doubt many of the QQ'ers can even support themselves with it. So why QQ about something you can't afford? Just HTFU. I don't even play. Not even mad. > Registered: March 2011 >Role:** Logistics Waiting for dust to go on PS4
Onesimus Tarsus 915	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:14:00 - [45] - Quote Captain-Awesome wrote: You gotta be real **** to want your entire SP refunded back to you. it's not even 2 mill sp to get proto suit, and even then, I doubt many of the QQ'ers can even support themselves with it. So why QQ about something you can't afford? Because it doesn't affect the overall game in any way and no one should care what anyone else does with their SP. I gotta make this my sig. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 148	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:16:00 - [46] - Quote If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, the you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair.
Onesimus Tarsus 915	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:18:00 - [47] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, the you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair. If you need SP in this game, then you are a bad player. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 148	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:24:00 - [48] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, then you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair. If you need SP in this game, then you are a bad player. At no point did I mention any need for skill points to be good. Sorry that was strictly for the top tier players who only compete because they FOTM, not the little pubstompers.
Onesimus Tarsus 915	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:27:00 - [49] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, then you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair. If you need SP in this game, then you are a bad player. At no point did I mention any need for skill points to be good. Sorry that was strictly for the top tier players who only compete because they FOTM, not the little pubstompers. You're right, they shouldn't have the SP system at all. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 148	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:32:00 - [50] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, then you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair. If you need SP in this game, then you are a bad player. At no point did I mention any need for skill points to be good. Sorry that was strictly for the top tier players who only compete because they FOTM, not the little pubstompers. You're right, they shouldn't have the SP system at all. 0/10 You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear.

Onesimus Tarsus 918	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:35:00 - [51] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: If you need to have a respec/refund in this game, then you are a bad player. Do not reward QQ'rs and people who want to FOTM. What about my 2 mil SP's that are unspent awaiting the new content? Double unallocated SP's then things might be more fair. If you need SP in this game, then you are a bad player. At no point did I mention any need for skill points to be good. Sorry that was strictly for the top tier players who only compete because they FOTM, not the little pubstompers. You're right, they shouldn't have the SP system at all. 0/10 I quiver in the grip of your logic. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 149	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:39:00 - [52] - Quote You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear.
Sladen Faust 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 29	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:47:00 - [53] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Rynoceros wrote: I'M GOING TO PRETEND LIKE IT REALLY MATTERS IN THESE FINAL STAGES OF BETA SO I CAN HAVE MY E-HONOR TO LEAN ON WHEN CHATTING WITH THE 238 PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL HERE IN A YEAR. HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE FUN PLAYING THAT GAME THAT HAD ALL OF ITS BASIC CONTENT IN ORDER AND BALANCED AT LAUNCH WITH MUCH BETTER SERVERS THAT AREN'T OUTPERFORMED BY A FEW THOUSAND USERS. I'm just replying to this to see if you'll repost, because I want to see your signature again. Rowr. Done. You sir are a genius. GÇ£In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.GÇ¥GÇò Friedrich Nietzsche
Onesimus Tarsus 918	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:49:00 - [54] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear. Right. Remove SP from the game. Agreed. Bumped. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Zimander Tickle My Null-Sac 25	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:52:00 - [55] - Quote I spec to Amarr Assault for there bonus to my shiny Scramble rifle bun now is say by by
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 149	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:53:00 - [56] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear. Right. Remove SP from the game. Agreed. Bumped. You may like Cod better...
Onesimus Tarsus 918	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:56:00 - [57] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear. Right. Remove SP from the game. Agreed. Bumped. You may like Cod better... Or I MIGHT like C.O.D. better, depending on reading level, since we're into personal attacks now. Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 149	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:58:00 - [58] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear. Right. Remove SP from the game. Agreed. Bumped. You may like Cod better... Or I MIGHT like C.O.D. better, depending on reading level, since we're into personal attacks now. Or you could try Battlefield.... either or should suit you more...
Onesimus Tarsus 918	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:02:00 - [59] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Gunmouse wrote: You saying that the need for SP's make you bad in this game is hypocritical. By that logic why did you feel the need to spend all your SP's on skills that you now obviously regret...... because you needed those skills to be "good". While I on the other hand save skill points because I don't have that same need to be "good" as you. I'm comfortable and competitive in a PC environment and don't have the need to spend additional SP's to be at that level. Nice try though, you'll still probably be able to skill in to FOTM still so don't worry carebear. Right. Remove SP from the game. Agreed. Bumped. You may like Cod better... Or I MIGHT like C.O.D. better, depending on reading level, since we're into personal attacks now. Or you could try Battlefield.... either or should suit you more... Why are you seemingly so afraid of a Skill Points system removal? Do you need Skill Points that badly? Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 149	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:05:00 - [60] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Why are you seemingly so afraid of a Skill Points system removal? Do you need Skill Points that badly? I don't..... that's why I have 2 million unallocated SP's. The real question is... why do you need to FOTM so badly?



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