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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.19 11:36:00 -
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Lets laugh at the irony of this situation right now and get it out of our systems. Now lets start:
District locking is bad. 1 alliance ruling MH with an iron fist is even worse. Both problems are mutual and exist due to eachother's existence. Some deep stuff, huh?
District locking should be the first to go. There are two ways to lock a district. So there need to be two fixes. These ideas are a rough draft and were made without total knowledge of how PC mechanics work. Open to discussion and revision. Note this is an attempt at making contesting district locking fair, not eliminating district locking altogether as a one time tactical choice mid war.
My idea for fixing district locking: Alt Corp Clone pack locking
Districts locked in this manner are attacked by an alt corp with a clone pack. In every instance of this, the alt corp attacking with a clone pack LOSES. This is the key to the fix. Following the successful defense of that district being locked, it should be immune to all clone pack attacks for the next 25 hours. (1 hour would not suffice as they could use an ally to move clones to lock, then lock up with a clone pack afterwards)
Add battle timers to the star map, all timers being visible for all corps for fair contesting district locks. On top of this, more info regarding who is attacking, how many clones they are sending (or not, debatable issue). Where they are attacking from, etc. (please suggest more possible info star map could reveal)
My idea for fixing district locking: Allies moving clones
[*]Districts locked in this manner are attacked by an ally via moving clones from another district. In every instance of this, the district being locked is victorious, and the district that moves clones is is defeated (technically not, but the clones sent are, and it should reflect back on that district negatively). Districts that move clones and are then defeated should be deemed unable to send for the next 24 hours (this is a very bad solution as it would limit how often people can go on the offensive in MH, please pipe up with a better solution if you think of one  )
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
347
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Posted - 2014.01.19 11:36:00 -
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reserved
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Doc DDD
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
137
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Posted - 2014.01.19 11:48:00 -
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Just mash L3 R3 over and over.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
347
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:04:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:Just mash L3 R3 over and over.
/thread
lol maybe I should have had someone more liked by the community post this for me so it gets taken seriously...
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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DJINN n Juice
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
23
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:18:00 -
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f*ck this care bare bull. this is molden heath. not nickelodeon. HTFU, we want comp, not farming sissies. only were allowed to farm in this piece. you gotta problem? well come attack us then. i dare you.
Krybrah is a faggot.
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Marad''er
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
417
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:19:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Doc DDD wrote:Just mash L3 R3 over and over.
/thread lol maybe I should have had someone more liked by the community post this for me so it gets taken seriously...
Quiet glitcher
You have no opinion 
lol :P
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
347
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:20:00 -
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DJINN n Juice wrote:f*ck this care bare bull. this is molden heath. not nickelodeon. HTFU, we want comp, not farming sissies. only were allowed to farm in this piece. you gotta problem? well come attack us then. i dare you.
With starmap info and the removal of district locking farming will be fuucking hard to do without getting attacked a few times. Also, greedy bastard :p
You have to admit, the community is only gonna go downhill from here without something similar to this. Will update my plan for MH resurrection err'day
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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DJINN n Juice
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
23
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:26:00 -
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Arirana wrote:DJINN n Juice wrote:f*ck this care bare bull. this is molden heath. not nickelodeon. HTFU, we want comp, not farming sissies. only were allowed to farm in this piece. you gotta problem? well come attack us then. i dare you. With starmap info and the removal of district locking farming will be fuucking hard to do without getting attacked a few times. Also, greedy bastard :p You have to admit, the community is only gonna go downhill from here without something similar to this. Will update my plan for MH resurrection err'day
lol im all for attacks ari, i lovvve getting my ass kicked a few times. and greedy? psh, who isn't. lol MY DISTRICTS!! ALLL MINEE!!! :D
Krybrah is a faggot.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
347
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:31:00 -
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Soo I reported my OP for constructive ideas regarding district locking. Dunno if that was the right way to go about it, not like sh**s are given 
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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DJINN n Juice
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
23
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:33:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Soo I reported my OP for constructive ideas regarding district locking. Dunno if that was the right way to go about it, not like sh**s are given
inb4lock
Krybrah is a faggot.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2298
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:42:00 -
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District locking and increasing the number of corps in pc are not related. Those are two separate issues....i dont feel that a lower tiered corp doesnt want to pc because of district locking. They dont want to pc because they feel they may lose the one district overnight that they saved up a month to get.
Your idea sounds similar to the tiered system that was proposed way back. It's cool...but an issue that this has is that it may limit corps to fighting the same corps over and over. Stronger corps should just own one planet and merc out. More of MH would be available to lower tiered corps.....which would then allow for a more active merc game and more battles between those corps.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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DJINN n Juice
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
23
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Posted - 2014.01.19 12:45:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:District locking and increasing the number of corps in pc are not related. Those are two separate issues....i dont feel that a lower tiered corp doesnt want to pc because of district locking. They dont want to pc because they feel they may lose the one district overnight that they saved up a month to get.
Your idea sounds similar to the tiered system that was proposed way back. It's cool...but an issue that this has is that it may limit corps to fighting the same corps over and over. Stronger corps should just own one planet and merc out. More of MH would be available to lower tiered corps.....which would then allow for a more active merc game and more battles between those corps.
myb you should have proposed that when eon owned 70% of molden heath
Krybrah is a faggot.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
349
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Posted - 2014.01.19 13:14:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:District locking and increasing the number of corps in pc are not related. Those are two separate issues....i dont feel that a lower tiered corp doesnt want to pc because of district locking. They dont want to pc because they feel they may lose the one district overnight that they saved up a month to get.
Your idea sounds similar to the tiered system that was proposed way back. It's cool...but an issue that this has is that it may limit corps to fighting the same corps over and over. Stronger corps should just own one planet and merc out. More of MH would be available to lower tiered corps.....which would then allow for a more active merc game and more battles between those corps.
MH Resurrection wouldn't work without district locking being fixed, because A team corps can't enforce the rules on someone locking their districts.
Never said mercing out wasn't an option, just that the tier method is alot more sandbox than only being allowed one planet. I don't want to stop all out wars, just seclude corps to prevent little guys being too afraid of the big guys. You can always do practice matches, if fighting the same corp gets boring. This is intended for growth in MH, not immediate excitement for everyone.
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Roner General
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
418
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Posted - 2014.01.19 13:22:00 -
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Shotgun fag
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RevoItZ
The Rainbow Effect
321
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Posted - 2014.01.19 14:54:00 -
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Hi Ari
Winner of EU Prime League Tournament
Winner of EU Squad Cup
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
351
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Posted - 2014.01.19 15:26:00 -
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o/
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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VIRDJINN Rampage
Diaper Rash.
2
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:19:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Doc DDD wrote:Just mash L3 R3 over and over.
/thread lol maybe I should have had someone more liked by the community post this for me so it gets taken seriously...
Might have helped...but I doubt it
I failed English as a 2nd Language and wear a seatbelt on the shortbus.
don't laugh.. I only have 1 eye
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VIRDJINN Rampage
Diaper Rash.
2
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:23:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:District locking and increasing the number of corps in pc are not related. Those are two separate issues....i dont feel that a lower tiered corp doesnt want to pc because of district locking. They dont want to pc because they feel they may lose the one district overnight that they saved up a month to get.
Your idea sounds similar to the tiered system that was proposed way back. It's cool...but an issue that this has is that it may limit corps to fighting the same corps over and over. Stronger corps should just own one planet and merc out. More of MH would be available to lower tiered corps.....which would then allow for a more active merc game and more battles between those corps.
U want a tier system it could be done easily, but requires programming...
EvE has lowsec/highsec/nullsec
same is present in dust and restrictions can be put in place for certain PC systems to be confined to 1, thus a tier system
#mindblown#toosimple#changesomethingsoicanberelevant
I failed English as a 2nd Language and wear a seatbelt on the shortbus.
don't laugh.. I only have 1 eye
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Palatinate
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
226
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:52:00 -
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It can be done but I don't know if Nyain San will be so willing to give up more than half of their districts. It will take a while to implement but expect problems along the way. I support this in hopes of a renewed MH just like when 1.0 released.
"Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3
Me: lol what?
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Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1380
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Posted - 2014.01.19 17:02:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Doc DDD wrote:Just mash L3 R3 over and over.
/thread lol maybe I should have had someone more liked by the community post this for me so it gets taken seriously...
I know who started "your" exploit so don't even worry about it, hell more than just those 2 used it as well. But they epically failed with it. As for your idea people will say no cuz they don't want to lose districts to NS
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Long Evity
1145
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Posted - 2014.01.19 17:06:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Lets laugh at the irony of this situation right now and get it out of our systems. Now lets start: District locking is bad. 1 alliance ruling MH with an iron fist is even worse. Both problems are mutual and exist due to eachother's existence. Some deep stuff, huh? District locking should be the first to go. There are two ways to lock a district. So there need to be two fixes. These ideas are a rough draft and were made without total knowledge of how PC mechanics work. Open to discussion and revision. Note this is an attempt at making contesting district locking fair, not eliminating district locking altogether as a one time tactical choice mid war. My idea for fixing district locking: Alt Corp Clone pack locking Districts locked in this manner are attacked by an alt corp with a clone pack. In every instance of this, the alt corp attacking with a clone pack LOSES. This is the key to the fix. Following the successful defense of that district being locked, it should be immune to all clone pack attacks for the next 25 hours. (1 hour would not suffice as they could use an ally to move clones to lock, then lock up with a clone pack afterwards)
Add battle timers to the star map, all timers being visible for all corps for fair contesting district locks. On top of this, more info regarding who is attacking, how many clones they are sending (or not, debatable issue). Where they are attacking from, etc. (please suggest more possible info star map could reveal)
My idea for fixing district locking: Allies moving clones Districts locked in this manner are attacked by an ally via moving clones from another district. In every instance of this, the district being locked is victorious, and the district that moves clones is is defeated (technically not, but the clones sent are, and it should reflect back on that district negatively). Districts that move clones and are then defeated should be deemed unable to send for the next 24 hours (this is a very bad solution as it would limit how often people can go on the offensive in MH, please pipe up with a better solution if you think of one )
You know what else is bad? Melee glitching. Didn't stop you from doing it until CCP fixed it themselves - so why is anyone going to listen to you now?
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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The Baby Shaker
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
86
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Posted - 2014.01.19 17:16:00 -
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They need to just let us attack a locked district but only by moving clones, no clone packs. I could care less about them getting the clone reinforcement, just as long as the attack will go through afterwards. This way they get their clones filled up then the attack goes through and every1 is happy. The problem with locked districts is you cant attack them and only have a very small window to launch an attack
I'm too drunk to taste this chicken
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
8047
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Posted - 2014.01.19 17:20:00 -
[23] - Quote
Aside from the obvious 'ermahgerd glitcher cheater bashing on broken mechanics' these suggestions don't seem too bad.
It is, however, very open to abuse. Corp KDR a method of judging? No problem, get an alt corp with a bad KDR and field your top team to take B and C districts.
There are workarounds for that kind of thing I'm sure, but can you really cover everything?
Level 8 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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Long Evity
1146
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Posted - 2014.01.19 17:24:00 -
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The Baby Shaker wrote:The problem with locked districts is you cant attack them and only have a very small window to launch an attack
You're a damn genius. I see why DDB wins all there games themselves now.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Jigoku No ReizaSan
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2014.01.19 17:49:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:The Baby Shaker wrote:The problem with locked districts is you cant attack them and only have a very small window to launch an attack You're a damn genius. I see why DDB wins all there games themselves now.
Hey! Even though they're the butt of the Renegade alliance they still... I don't even know how to make fun of them, they're just sooooooo good. 
You, are a million years under-evolved, primitive monkey
Skype:JigokuNo.Reizasan
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Superhero Rawdon
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
151
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:15:00 -
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best proposals ive seen for fixing match-making (irrelevant here, i know, but hold on, my point is coming) and PC (THERE it is) are the ones that are tier-based. so +1 for that.
i personally am against mercing out, especially if MH gets active. even more so if it gets beehive-active.
and u should rethink those kds....most corps have logis that support and arent necessarily assault-logi, therefore their kd is lower which = corp kd being lower. or some corps are good bc of their tanking and tanking support, etc etc etc. see wut im saying?
but other than that, i like your proposal, regardless of your preceeding rep 
i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
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Kingseeker Kobra
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:24:00 -
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So the problem is locking districts, and one alliance ruling MH....both things renegade alliance does..
So the problem is you, OP? thanks, we already knew that.
Ariana glitches 31 free kills and loses anyways, LMFAO @ AE GARBAGE
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Superhero Rawdon
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
152
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:26:00 -
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Kingseeker Kobra wrote:So the problem is locking districts, and one alliance ruling MH....both things renegade alliance does..
So the problem is you, OP? thanks, we already knew that.
"......but on the other hand......."
sheesh. this community is fuc#ed
i bleed chocolate milk........and poop batarangs
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Long Evity
1154
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:30:00 -
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I am going to continue to troll the **** out of you Arirana - even though I like you now - forgive me for it, you know I can't let it go.
But can you possibly repost this in the feedback section of the forums? It really is a good idea and well thought out. Hopefully the guys who hold a grudge against you, like myself, won't be there lurking. 
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1159
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Posted - 2014.01.19 19:17:00 -
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- This is way too complicated for anyone to police it, given how fail the community has been at policing PFC.
- KDR means nothing.
- If we find a good and balanced PC game, PFC becomes irrelevant. You shouldn't plan for it's continuity in a world where corps can fight corps on even tier.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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MadMatt Four20
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
33
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:34:00 -
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Kingseeker Kobra wrote:So the problem is locking districts, and one alliance ruling MH....both things renegade alliance does..
So the problem is you, OP? thanks, we already knew that.
When has Renegade ever locked districts? They havent ur just mad cuzz ur corp locks every single district they own. |
DJINN n Juice
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
30
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Posted - 2014.01.19 20:45:00 -
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MadMatt Four20 wrote:Kingseeker Kobra wrote:So the problem is locking districts, and one alliance ruling MH....both things renegade alliance does..
So the problem is you, OP? thanks, we already knew that. When has Renegade ever locked districts? They havent ur just mad cuzz ur corp locks every single district they own.
he's not even worth it matt. he's a baby killer who doesn't even love america.
Krybrah is a faggot
King "Baby Killer" Krybrah.
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usuckatdust fanboy
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:39:00 -
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A new way to glitch districts?!?! Awesome!!! How come AE doesnt try this?
My rail rifle is bigger and longer than yours wink
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Kingseeker Kobra
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:40:00 -
[34] - Quote
MadMatt Four20 wrote:Kingseeker Kobra wrote:So the problem is locking districts, and one alliance ruling MH....both things renegade alliance does..
So the problem is you, OP? thanks, we already knew that. When has Renegade ever locked districts? They havent ur just mad cuzz ur corp locks every single district they own.
Nyain san has half their districts locked as we speak LOL
Ariana glitches 31 free kills and loses anyways, LMFAO @ AE GARBAGE
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usuckatdust fanboy
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:42:00 -
[35] - Quote
Oh...and i use rail rifles to. Stack dmg mods and armor plates, throw down a bunch of nanoreps fire from the other side of the map. Is that righ? Sorry but i hate confrontations.
My rail rifle is bigger and longer than yours wink
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
357
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:11:00 -
[36] - Quote
I'm kinda disappointed this immediately became a "Lol, f**k this sh**, ima troll" thread. Then again it is the war room and I'm me so...
Still gonna keep updating the thread
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Long Evity
1191
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:12:00 -
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Arirana wrote:I'm kinda disappointed this immediately became a "Lol, f**k this sh**, ima troll" thread. Then again it is the war room and I'm me so...
Still gonna keep updating the thread
You expect feedback in the war room? You realize... there's a feedback section of the forums?
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
357
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:15:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Arirana wrote:I'm kinda disappointed this immediately became a "Lol, f**k this sh**, ima troll" thread. Then again it is the war room and I'm me so...
Still gonna keep updating the thread You expect feedback in the war room? You realize... there's a feedback section of the forums?
Actually considering we are the forum section directly related to PC, it made more sense to post it in here to get a good discussion going. A bunch of FW and pub players wouldn't give a crap about this issue. But you're right. I'll try my luck there, par the course.
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Long Evity
1191
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:17:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Long Evity wrote:Arirana wrote:I'm kinda disappointed this immediately became a "Lol, f**k this sh**, ima troll" thread. Then again it is the war room and I'm me so...
Still gonna keep updating the thread You expect feedback in the war room? You realize... there's a feedback section of the forums? Actually considering we are the forum section directly related to PC, it made more sense to post it in here to get a good discussion going. A bunch of FW and pub players wouldn't give a crap about this issue. But you're right. I'll try my luck there, par the course.
I see, your reasonings is logical, but your rep around here prevents that meaningful conversation. Everyone whose PC active has also had there face smacked in by you at one point. Lol
I'll wish you luck getting proper feedback in the feedback section, though. The big core mechanic guys will tear your post to shreds for ya and critique / discuss it in the manner you're searching for.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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DJINN n Juice
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
40
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Posted - 2014.01.20 00:20:00 -
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L3R3L3R3L3R3L3R3
Krybrah is a faggot
King "Baby Killer" Krybrah.
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Jin no kami
Valor Coalition
23
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:39:00 -
[41] - Quote
Just make a no name corp and invite a division corp simple =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè=ƒÖî |
m twiggz
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
236
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:39:00 -
[42] - Quote
Good ideas. I thoroughly enjoy the thought put behind this post. Now come up with a post on how to fix giant blue donut corps/alliances too afraid to go to war with each other. Sitting around farming ISK from their districts while preying on small indie corps.
We lock our districts with alt corps, you lock your districts with mega alliances. Welcome to New Eden. The land of sandbox gaming. I'm building castles while watching you drown in QQ tears. |
Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
361
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:48:00 -
[43] - Quote
You should all feel ashamed. A glitcher cares more about the state of this game than you do.
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1393
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:52:00 -
[44] - Quote
Arirana wrote:You should all feel ashamed. A glitcher cares more about the state of this game than you do.
Go watch boku
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m twiggz
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
238
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:59:00 -
[45] - Quote
Arirana wrote:You should all feel ashamed. A glitcher cares more about the state of this game than you do.
lulz. |
Long Evity
1202
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:01:00 -
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Arirana wrote:You should all feel ashamed. A glitcher cares more about the state of this game than you do.
Oh, what's this? You care more about a game you helped ruin for many people? Someone should give you a flaming cookie. LOL
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Jin no kami
Valor Coalition
23
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:07:00 -
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Never seen a game community cry and yammer about having power taken away from them. Why not argue that a big alliance with in PC drops orbitals from eve that are better then no name corp orbitals. Argue that big corps pub stomp while people not in big corps get beat .complain that everyone who played this game got a respec and ppl who joined after said respec didn't I want another respec. Start tranquility over and let people buy districts again or reset districts every 4months. Reset all characters |
Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
361
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:07:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:Arirana wrote:You should all feel ashamed. A glitcher cares more about the state of this game than you do. I really care about Dust. Total nerd epeen hard on status. I'm sick of the same things going on in PC over and over again. Whether it's giant alliances farming ISK or corps locking districts. Both are annoying and shameful. Unfortunately that's how Eve has worked for 10+ years. Giant alliances hold sovereignty in nullsec areas from smaller alliances and farm materials (ISK) while smaller alliances/corps sit in low sec locking down their systems. It's the same concept. It's what you get with sandbox games. It's sad and true. This mentality is now in Dust. It'll never stop. As long as giant alliances hold the majority of land those capable of gaining some land will hold on to it by any means necessary. It's much like the real world. Giant alliances of countries hold lots of land and smaller counties and nations defend their land from them by any means necessary. I'd give examples of real world situations EXACTLY like what is going on in PC on Dust but I'm sure it would go far over the heads of the majority of this community.
EVE online is not the be all end all of what Dust could be. We have this tiny player base, it has its disadvantages and its advantages. Simply saying its human nature to group up and stomp on the indies and not trying just isn't gonna cut it anymore. You wot have fun? We wot have fun.
So lets fix this sh** together. We have only scratched the surface of what a sandbox game can become at the hands of a tiny community with PFC.
This is a real possibility and all it will take is for those A division corps to enforce these rules. We have the power to push everyone out of MH, thats obvious because we already do. So it is well within our power to get a handful of leaders together and set something similar to this up. Farming isk is fun and all, but I feel we're at the stage of the game where we just want good fights.
F**k me, right?
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:12:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Arirana wrote:You should all feel ashamed. A glitcher cares more about the state of this game than you do. Go watch boku
I already tried, just can't do it. Never made it through the first H scene.
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Long Evity
1202
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:15:00 -
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I'm really shocked how you go from glitching to win every game for 3 months - to wanting everyone else to stop doing it. What did it take for you to stop glitching in the past? Oh, right, CCP had to do it themselves.
General Discussion is probably a better place for you - that's where the rest of the idiots go.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
362
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:22:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:I'm really shocked how you go from glitching to win every game for 3 months - to wanting everyone else to stop doing it. What did it take for you to stop glitching in the past? Oh, right, CCP had to do it themselves.
General Discussion is probably a better place for you - that's where the rest of the idiots go.
I really don't care how it gets done, what is said about me, or how things were that complicates this. I made this post because I wanted to see it happen and no one else is willing to suggest it. I'm suggesting that my own alliance gives up land and goes out of their way to make this game more fun for new players.
Its not glitching in general thats the problem, its the lack of anything going on besides petty fighting and farming.
It was only a suggestion, so you don't really need to get pissed over it 
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1394
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:25:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Arirana wrote:You should all feel ashamed. A glitcher cares more about the state of this game than you do. Go watch boku I already tried, just can't do it. Never made it through the first H scene.
I did it just so everyone on comms would hear it lol marauder thinks it's sexy. Tho he hasn't seen it
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Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1394
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:28:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Long Evity wrote:I'm really shocked how you go from glitching to win every game for 3 months - to wanting everyone else to stop doing it. What did it take for you to stop glitching in the past? Oh, right, CCP had to do it themselves.
General Discussion is probably a better place for you - that's where the rest of the idiots go. I really don't care how it gets done, what is said about me, or how things were that complicates this. I made this post because I wanted to see it happen and no one else is willing to suggest it. I'm suggesting that my own alliance gives up land and goes out of their way to make this game more fun for new players. Its not glitching in general thats the problem, its the lack of anything going on besides petty fighting and farming. It was only a suggestion, so you don't really need to get pissed over it
Never give away land it will be locked..I got up to 250m from running std gear so you don't need PC to use proto just run std for a while instead of going broke every other game
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Marad''er
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
433
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:30:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Arirana wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Arirana wrote:You should all feel ashamed. A glitcher cares more about the state of this game than you do. Go watch boku I already tried, just can't do it. Never made it through the first H scene. I did it just so everyone on comms would hear it lol marauder thinks it's sexy. Tho he hasn't seen it
I said it sounded sexy over coms. I know that it must have been pretty bad though watching it lol
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Long Evity
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:33:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Long Evity wrote:I'm really shocked how you go from glitching to win every game for 3 months - to wanting everyone else to stop doing it. What did it take for you to stop glitching in the past? Oh, right, CCP had to do it themselves.
General Discussion is probably a better place for you - that's where the rest of the idiots go. I really don't care how it gets done, what is said about me, or how things were that complicates this. I made this post because I wanted to see it happen and no one else is willing to suggest it. I'm suggesting that my own alliance gives up land and goes out of their way to make this game more fun for new players. Its not glitching in general thats the problem, its the lack of anything going on besides petty fighting and farming. It was only a suggestion, so you don't really need to get pissed over it
Pissed? Over the suggestion? Nah, I even suggested you put it where it belongs.
What I find strange is this:
Arirana wrote:
So lets fix this sh** together.
I'm sure you wanted melee glitch to get fixed too - and that's why you spammed it everywhere. So why not let ppl spam lock districts till CCP fixes that too? Isn't that your logic, as well?
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
364
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:36:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Arirana wrote:Long Evity wrote:I'm really shocked how you go from glitching to win every game for 3 months - to wanting everyone else to stop doing it. What did it take for you to stop glitching in the past? Oh, right, CCP had to do it themselves.
General Discussion is probably a better place for you - that's where the rest of the idiots go. I really don't care how it gets done, what is said about me, or how things were that complicates this. I made this post because I wanted to see it happen and no one else is willing to suggest it. I'm suggesting that my own alliance gives up land and goes out of their way to make this game more fun for new players. Its not glitching in general thats the problem, its the lack of anything going on besides petty fighting and farming. It was only a suggestion, so you don't really need to get pissed over it Pissed? Over the suggestion? Nah, I even suggested you put it where it belongs. What I find strange is this: Arirana wrote:
So lets fix this sh** together.
I'm sure you wanted melee glitch to get fixed too - and that's why you spammed it everywhere. So why not let ppl spam lock districts till CCP fixes that too? Isn't that your logic, as well?
I'm not suggesting everyone stops locking districts. The only way for that to happen is if district locking is fixed/nerfed.
I was talking about MHR when I said lets fix this sh** together. Fix as in implement player made divisions to allow noob corps some PC action.
That can only happen, when district locking is easier to counter. See what I mean?
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Traky78
What The French
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:37:00 -
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KDR is not the good thing for your ranking system. KDR is not relevant, victory is relevant.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
364
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:40:00 -
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Traky78 wrote:KDR is not the good thing for your ranking system. KDR is not relevant, victory is relevant.
Let's do it with the Win / Lose ratio.
Arirana wrote:
Ranking Qualifications- Ranks will be scaled by maximums and not minimums, for the sake of blueberry corps wanting the try their luck at the big time.The KDR requirment is merrily an initial guideline for which corps go where. It in no way defines their true division. Big smile (NOTE: YOU MUST APPLY HERE TO BE LISTED UNDER ANY CATEGORY AT THIS TIME)
Alright I'll add W/L, but neither will define a corps division. We will throw corps in these divisions based on these stats, and they will be promoted and demoted accordingly based on who gets pushed out/ stomps on everyone else.
Also, what division would WTF like to be in? A or B? No you cannot choose C :p
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The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Long Evity
1204
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:43:00 -
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Well, in that regard I couldn't agree more. But there won't be any PC action for indie corps if all the mid tier corps have to pick on them to get games themselves. If you hadn't noticed - no one is fighting each other - it's all AE and FA vs everyone else.
The reason we're in this state is because of loss of interest, and it's because of bad game mechanics that allow people to play dirty. Does this ring any bells?
But getting away from the cheap shot: There's no solution to the indie problem that's going to work. The only real solution is open up more systems other then MH so that indies have breathing room.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:46:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Well, in that regard I couldn't agree more. But there won't be any PC action for indie corps if all the mid tier corps have to pick on them to get games themselves. If you hadn't noticed - no one is fighting each other - it's all AE and FA vs everyone else.
The reason we're in this state is because of loss of interest, and it's because of bad game mechanics that allow people to play dirty. Does this ring any bells?
But getting away from the cheap shot: There's no solution to the indie problem that's going to work. The only real solution is open up more systems other then MH so that indies have breathing room.
if we were talking about mechanics, that would be true. But we're talking about something playermade sota. PLAYERMADE. What the fuuck can't anyone read. A division corps will host this. Corps like FA, AE, TP, OH, Imps, DDB, etc.
Its more than possible, look at PFC. As I said, almur would remain in anarchy just in case this care bear sh** is too much for some people.
Techncally A division space will be in anarchy too, that accounts for 119 districts. Half of MH would remain the same.
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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DJINN Kujo
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
848
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:48:00 -
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I support the idea. It's a good concept and hopefully CCP can look at it and put a thinking cap to categorize this as high priority: district locking that is.
Everyone wants fights in PC, it's why you join PC in the first place. Veteran players don't login daily to pub stomp, they login to either get their ass handed to them or whoop up on someone else.
The only way, as mentioned - for the idea to take off, would be for fixing district locking.
Nyain San just wants Renegade to hold x amount of districts. When it comes to some players in the community though, it's hard to steer people away from ISK. That's the biggest issue PC has is the ISK rewards when you hold land.
- In order to give up a vast amount of land, means your players are being paid less. Personally, I couldn't care about ISK. I am probably one of the brokest CEO's in the game to be honest. But to some players, and AE. is guilty: ISK is what makes Dust 514 fun, and make people whine about proto stomping.
The tiered ranking is still good on paper - however, every corp in MH would have to abide by being allotted a certain amount of land. With current mechanics, you will see corporations spreading into territory outside their division. And by having "A tiered" corps regulating those rules that may be broken, it's asking common enemies to join up and fix it. To some egos, that's another issue to fix. In simpler words, your asking FA and AE. essentially to police these divisions together as a join op. That's hard convincing when we are enemies at heart.
There's a lot of underlying factors that are problematic which can not be 'fixed.' (A few mentioned above.)
At what cost does enemies have to rally up to fix a game we didn't design? Is the community making this game or is CCP? It's supposed to be CCP, but quite frankly it seems to the be community actually calling the shots. Has it's ups and downs, it's a good business idea - "the customer is always right." But economics is a customer based section of the world. Without customers, there would be no economics. In our every day jobs, we see where the saying "The customer is always right" becomes faulty. In which, they are sometimes wrong, more times than not to be fair.
It's a consensus of problems with possible fixations - it's up to CCP to implement.
Ancient Exiles, CEO
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m twiggz
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
238
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:48:00 -
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Arirana wrote:m twiggz wrote:Arirana wrote:You should all feel ashamed. A glitcher cares more about the state of this game than you do. I really care about Dust. Total nerd epeen hard on status. I'm sick of the same things going on in PC over and over again. Whether it's giant alliances farming ISK or corps locking districts. Both are annoying and shameful. Unfortunately that's how Eve has worked for 10+ years. Giant alliances hold sovereignty in nullsec areas from smaller alliances and farm materials (ISK) while smaller alliances/corps sit in low sec locking down their systems. It's the same concept. It's what you get with sandbox games. It's sad and true. This mentality is now in Dust. It'll never stop. As long as giant alliances hold the majority of land those capable of gaining some land will hold on to it by any means necessary. It's much like the real world. Giant alliances of countries hold lots of land and smaller counties and nations defend their land from them by any means necessary. I'd give examples of real world situations EXACTLY like what is going on in PC on Dust but I'm sure it would go far over the heads of the majority of this community. EVE online is not the be all end all of what Dust could be. We have this tiny player base, it has its disadvantages and its advantages. Simply saying its human nature to group up and stomp on the indies and not trying just isn't gonna cut it anymore. You wot have fun? We wot have fun. So lets fix this sh** together. We have only scratched the surface of what a sandbox game can become at the hands of a tiny community with PFC. This is a real possibility and all it will take is for those A division corps to enforce these rules. We have the power to push everyone out of MH, thats obvious because we already do. So it is well within our power to get a handful of leaders together and set something similar to this up. Farming isk is fun and all, but I feel we're at the stage of the game where we just want good fights. F**k me, right?
I agree. I was in two very tough PC battles today, both of which I thoroughly enjoyed. The problem is talking these bigs corps/alliances into being on board with this idea. You being apart of the biggest alliance in the game right now should look within and try convincing them to take part. Perhaps if one of the big powers gets on board some of the community will follow.
I don't want to make this about AE and RA but it seems both do a lot of talking about policing PFC, changing PC, etc. and nothing ever gets done. It's a lot of talk with very little action. Seems the leadership of both and/or either don't see eye to eye on much. I'd personally like PC to change, see some of these small corps be able to hold land against other small corps without the big boys steam rolling them (which happened to my indie corp months ago).
The sad truth is it seems like these big alliances and blue donuts care more about farming ISK than good fights, despite what is written here on the forums. Actions speak louder than words, both in the real world and here on Dust. |
Long Evity
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:50:00 -
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Tiercide for PC?
Good luck policing that. It's put a strain on corps just dealing with PFC.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
364
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:52:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Tiercide for PC?
Good luck policing that. It's put a strain on corps just dealing with PFC.
Better than whats happening now. Its a question of whether you want struggle or no competition at all. Also, corps mentioned above can more than keep the community in line.
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Long Evity
1204
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:57:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Long Evity wrote:Tiercide for PC?
Good luck policing that. It's put a strain on corps just dealing with PFC. Better than whats happening now. Its a question of whether you want struggle or no competition at all. Also, corps mentioned above can more than keep the community in line.
You know what some of us did when competition got stale? We left our corp and made a new one.
Maybe you guys should consider it?
:3
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
364
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:00:00 -
[66] - Quote
DJINN Kujo wrote:I support the idea. It's a good concept and hopefully CCP can look at it and put a thinking cap to categorize this as high priority: district locking that is.
Everyone wants fights in PC, it's why you join PC in the first place. Veteran players don't login daily to pub stomp, they login to either get their ass handed to them or whoop up on someone else.
The only way, as mentioned - for the idea to take off, would be for fixing district locking.
Nyain San just wants Renegade to hold x amount of districts. When it comes to some players in the community though, it's hard to steer people away from ISK. That's the biggest issue PC has is the ISK rewards when you hold land.
- In order to give up a vast amount of land, means your players are being paid less. Personally, I couldn't care about ISK. I am probably one of the brokest CEO's in the game to be honest. But to some players, and AE. is guilty: ISK is what makes Dust 514 fun, and make people whine about proto stomping.
The tiered ranking is still good on paper - however, every corp in MH would have to abide by being allotted a certain amount of land. With current mechanics, you will see corporations spreading into territory outside their division. And by having "A tiered" corps regulating those rules that may be broken, it's asking common enemies to join up and fix it. To some egos, that's another issue to fix. In simpler words, your asking FA and AE. essentially to police these divisions together as a join op. That's hard convincing when we are enemies at heart.
There's a lot of underlying factors that are problematic which can not be 'fixed.' (A few mentioned above.)
At what cost does enemies have to rally up to fix a game we didn't design? Is the community making this game or is CCP? It's supposed to be CCP, but quite frankly it seems to the be community actually calling the shots. Has it's ups and downs, it's a good business idea - "the customer is always right." But economics is a customer based section of the world. Without customers, there would be no economics. In our every day jobs, we see where the saying "The customer is always right" becomes faulty. In which, they are sometimes wrong, more times than not to be fair.
It's a consensus of problems with possible fixations - it's up to CCP to implement.
I know the idea is very far fetched, but I'd like the community to view this as a challenge rather than a necessity. I can honestly see FA and AE drafting their own rules for B and C division space while still at war. It all depends on what we want more, after district locking is fixed of course.
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2527
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:06:00 -
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Again it's the mechanics. PC has to get away from the 24 to 48 hr wait for battles. You should be able to attack and have that battle happen within 30 minutes to an hour. This would eliminate the possibility of small groups of players from controlling huge chunks of land.
It should be a pain in the ass to face AE, but if I've got 80 people online I should be able to put pressure on them. It would be difficult for anyone to dominate even large alliances. You'd have constant battles going on.
Just allow a corp to set a window of 8-12 hours of downtime on their district. It would force corps to use players that aren't on their A teams as well. If you want to see an improvement in gameplay there needs to be a better flow in these attacks.
Take the passive ISK away and increase payouts for attacks, consecutive wins, and multipliers for consecutive successful defenses.
Fixing district locking only guarantees more and more players give up on PC altogether and the continuing flow of ISK to an ever shrinking portion of the player base.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Long Evity
1204
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:09:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
Fixing district locking only guarantees more and more players give up on PC altogether and the continuing flow of ISK to an ever shrinking portion of the player base.
I wonder if anyone else realizes this.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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m twiggz
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
239
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Posted - 2014.01.20 03:30:00 -
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DJINN Kujo wrote:I support the idea. It's a good concept and hopefully CCP can look at it and put a thinking cap to categorize this as high priority: district locking that is.
Everyone wants fights in PC, it's why you join PC in the first place. Veteran players don't login daily to pub stomp, they login to either get their ass handed to them or whoop up on someone else.
The only way, as mentioned - for the idea to take off, would be for fixing district locking.
Nyain San just wants Renegade to hold x amount of districts. When it comes to some players in the community though, it's hard to steer people away from ISK. That's the biggest issue PC has is the ISK rewards when you hold land.
- In order to give up a vast amount of land, means your players are being paid less. Personally, I couldn't care about ISK. I am probably one of the brokest CEO's in the game to be honest. But to some players, and AE. is guilty: ISK is what makes Dust 514 fun, and make people whine about proto stomping.
The tiered ranking is still good on paper - however, every corp in MH would have to abide by being allotted a certain amount of land. With current mechanics, you will see corporations spreading into territory outside their division. And by having "A tiered" corps regulating those rules that may be broken, it's asking common enemies to join up and fix it. To some egos, that's another issue to fix. In simpler words, your asking FA and AE. essentially to police these divisions together as a join op. That's hard convincing when we are enemies at heart.
There's a lot of underlying factors that are problematic which can not be 'fixed.' (A few mentioned above.)
At what cost does enemies have to rally up to fix a game we didn't design? Is the community making this game or is CCP? It's supposed to be CCP, but quite frankly it seems to the be community actually calling the shots. Has it's ups and downs, it's a good business idea - "the customer is always right." But economics is a customer based section of the world. Without customers, there would be no economics. In our every day jobs, we see where the saying "The customer is always right" becomes faulty. In which, they are sometimes wrong, more times than not to be fair.
It's a consensus of problems with possible fixations - it's up to CCP to implement.
I'd like to point out that anything I say is simply my beliefs and opinions, not to be held accountable towards the corporation or alliance I am in.
I don't want to sound disrespectful but this is a sandbox game Kujo. CCP sets the framework, we make it work the way we want it. Thats how sandbox games work. Just like in Eve, CCP set no rules to what happens in null sec, it could have been a bunch of players working together to gain resources and ISK, instead the players decided to make it an area of giant PvP wars and sovereignty land. As of right now it looks like you want Molden Heath to be a giant ISK farming area, because thats what your alliance has made it into. Stop making CCP responsible for the way that you are currently controlling Molden Heath to what you want it to be.
Much like a child playing in a sandbox, we are here to create whatever "sculptures" we want out of the sand CCP has provided for us. Whether its giant alliances farming ISK or a fair land of PC for everyone. The players have to make this happen, the community, not CCP.
Onto the other point in your post, about egos. There comes a point in which you put those petty differences aside and do what is best for a community. All an ego is is a lack of maturity, which this community is littered with.
If something like Arirana's plan was to come into motion district locking would fade into the past. There would be no reason for it. The reason most corps are locking districts is due to ridiculously unfair fights, and to break up the giant blue donut of ISK farming going on right now. Why should they unlock their districts? For you to send attack after attack after attack with your stacks of ISK? Even if they were to win the majority of the battles you could simply wear most corps down with your unlimited supply of ISK. Some corps are doing it just to rub it in the faces of RA that you can't farm ISK here. If district locking is your main concern here then you honestly don't see both sides of the argument. A giant alliance of the majority of the powerful corps left in this game is just the same as someone locking districts. You hide behind mass amounts of good players and corps, while district lockers hide behind lock and key. Its the same concept just done in different ways. If AE, NS and DDB weren't blue with every large corp capable of putting up a fight things in Molden Heath would be much different.
Arirana has a good plan here, maybe needs some tweaks, but good groundwork for something that is completely plausible. Kujo, you, your corp, the alliance you are in, could help put this into motion. You know it as well as I know, and as well as the community knows. |
Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
367
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:30:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Again it's the mechanics. PC has to get away from the 24 to 48 hr wait for battles. You should be able to attack and have that battle happen within 30 minutes to an hour. This would eliminate the possibility of small groups of players from controlling huge chunks of land.
It should be a pain in the ass to face AE, but if I've got 80 people online I should be able to put pressure on them. It would be difficult for anyone to dominate even large alliances. You'd have constant battles going on.
Just allow a corp to set a window of 8-12 hours of downtime on their district. It would force corps to use players that aren't on their A teams as well. If you want to see an improvement in gameplay there needs to be a better flow in these attacks.
Take the passive ISK away and increase payouts for attacks, consecutive wins, and multipliers for consecutive successful defenses.
Fixing district locking only guarantees more and more players give up on PC altogether and the continuing flow of ISK to an ever shrinking portion of the player base.
^^^
Window timers should be how its played. A corp sets their districts to a certain timer, and at any time during that timer, a corp could attack them and the battle would take place within the hour.
Fixing district locking is still necessary to make it fair. I know it will force more corps to quit which is why I want to immediately implement MHR after the district lock fix. It would be better if CCP implemented tiericide in PC though :/
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2535
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Posted - 2014.01.20 04:49:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Again it's the mechanics. PC has to get away from the 24 to 48 hr wait for battles. You should be able to attack and have that battle happen within 30 minutes to an hour. This would eliminate the possibility of small groups of players from controlling huge chunks of land.
It should be a pain in the ass to face AE, but if I've got 80 people online I should be able to put pressure on them. It would be difficult for anyone to dominate even large alliances. You'd have constant battles going on.
Just allow a corp to set a window of 8-12 hours of downtime on their district. It would force corps to use players that aren't on their A teams as well. If you want to see an improvement in gameplay there needs to be a better flow in these attacks.
Take the passive ISK away and increase payouts for attacks, consecutive wins, and multipliers for consecutive successful defenses.
Fixing district locking only guarantees more and more players give up on PC altogether and the continuing flow of ISK to an ever shrinking portion of the player base. ^^^ Window timers should be how its played. A corp sets their districts to a certain timer, and at any time during that timer, a corp could attack them and the battle would take place within the hour. Fixing district locking is still necessary to make it fair. I know it will force more corps to quit which is why I want to immediately implement MHR after the district lock fix. It would be better if CCP implemented tiericide in PC though :/
If you take away passive ISK and provide larger payouts for successful attacks and defenses with multipliers for consecutive wins I don't think you'd have any incentive to lock districts. Small corps, no matter how good, couldn't control so much land. You'd see a lot more activity in PC and I think it wouldn't take long for the overall competitiveness to rise.
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Arirana wrote:Doc DDD wrote:Just mash L3 R3 over and over.
/thread lol maybe I should have had someone more liked by the community post this for me so it gets taken seriously...
Anything is bettet than what we have now... but I like Ydubbs Idea too, a merger of the two might make an Ideal way of doing things...
or just eliminate passive ISK generation with active ISK generation... Crazy talk I know... working for money
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Posted - 2014.01.20 06:58:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Arirana wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Again it's the mechanics. PC has to get away from the 24 to 48 hr wait for battles. You should be able to attack and have that battle happen within 30 minutes to an hour. This would eliminate the possibility of small groups of players from controlling huge chunks of land.
It should be a pain in the ass to face AE, but if I've got 80 people online I should be able to put pressure on them. It would be difficult for anyone to dominate even large alliances. You'd have constant battles going on.
Just allow a corp to set a window of 8-12 hours of downtime on their district. It would force corps to use players that aren't on their A teams as well. If you want to see an improvement in gameplay there needs to be a better flow in these attacks.
Take the passive ISK away and increase payouts for attacks, consecutive wins, and multipliers for consecutive successful defenses.
Fixing district locking only guarantees more and more players give up on PC altogether and the continuing flow of ISK to an ever shrinking portion of the player base. ^^^ Window timers should be how its played. A corp sets their districts to a certain timer, and at any time during that timer, a corp could attack them and the battle would take place within the hour. Fixing district locking is still necessary to make it fair. I know it will force more corps to quit which is why I want to immediately implement MHR after the district lock fix. It would be better if CCP implemented tiericide in PC though :/ If you take away passive ISK and provide larger payouts for successful attacks and defenses with multipliers for consecutive wins I don't think you'd have any incentive to lock districts. Small corps, no matter how good, couldn't control so much land. You'd see a lot more activity in PC and I think it wouldn't take long for the overall competitiveness to rise.
Not really... a locked district battle would still be a successful defense, which would only increase the profit of locking districts. There is no way to make locking districts less profitable without making PC less profitable in general. That goes for making it more profitable as well. District locking needs to become easily counterable.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 14:53:00 -
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Posted - 2014.01.20 15:33:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Arirana wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Again it's the mechanics. PC has to get away from the 24 to 48 hr wait for battles. You should be able to attack and have that battle happen within 30 minutes to an hour. This would eliminate the possibility of small groups of players from controlling huge chunks of land.
It should be a pain in the ass to face AE, but if I've got 80 people online I should be able to put pressure on them. It would be difficult for anyone to dominate even large alliances. You'd have constant battles going on.
Just allow a corp to set a window of 8-12 hours of downtime on their district. It would force corps to use players that aren't on their A teams as well. If you want to see an improvement in gameplay there needs to be a better flow in these attacks.
Take the passive ISK away and increase payouts for attacks, consecutive wins, and multipliers for consecutive successful defenses.
Fixing district locking only guarantees more and more players give up on PC altogether and the continuing flow of ISK to an ever shrinking portion of the player base. ^^^ Window timers should be how its played. A corp sets their districts to a certain timer, and at any time during that timer, a corp could attack them and the battle would take place within the hour. Fixing district locking is still necessary to make it fair. I know it will force more corps to quit which is why I want to immediately implement MHR after the district lock fix. It would be better if CCP implemented tiericide in PC though :/ If you take away passive ISK and provide larger payouts for successful attacks and defenses with multipliers for consecutive wins I don't think you'd have any incentive to lock districts. Small corps, no matter how good, couldn't control so much land. You'd see a lot more activity in PC and I think it wouldn't take long for the overall competitiveness to rise. Not really... a locked district battle would still be a successful defense, which would only increase the profit of locking districts. There is no way to make locking districts less profitable without making PC less profitable in general. That goes for making it more profitable as well. District locking needs to become easily counterable.
You are correct, district locking could become more profitable in my scenario which wouldn't solve anything.
What if NPC corporations acted as Real Estate Brokers? If you do not hold a district you have to purchase a district and the only way to launch clones would be from an owned district.
Obviously this would mean expanding the arena.
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Diaper Rash.
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Arirana wrote:I'm kinda disappointed this immediately became a "Lol, f**k this sh**, ima troll" thread. Then again it is the war room and I'm me so...
Still gonna keep updating the thread
u posted it in the WAR room FFS...
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Posted - 2014.01.20 16:23:00 -
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VIRDJINN Rampage wrote:Arirana wrote:I'm kinda disappointed this immediately became a "Lol, f**k this sh**, ima troll" thread. Then again it is the war room and I'm me so...
Still gonna keep updating the thread u posted it in the WAR room FFS...
I believe it was the best place too. As this pertains to PC, it affects all of us here in the War room. Thus here you can get the most feedback of the people it affects.
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DJINN n Juice wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:District locking and increasing the number of corps in pc are not related. Those are two separate issues....i dont feel that a lower tiered corp doesnt want to pc because of district locking. They dont want to pc because they feel they may lose the one district overnight that they saved up a month to get.
Your idea sounds similar to the tiered system that was proposed way back. It's cool...but an issue that this has is that it may limit corps to fighting the same corps over and over. Stronger corps should just own one planet and merc out. More of MH would be available to lower tiered corps.....which would then allow for a more active merc game and more battles between those corps. myb you should have proposed that when eon owned 70% of molden heath
whether you guys do it or not..makes no difference to me. If dust players want more corps active in pc and healthy again, then this is the only way. If you guys prefer to farm all of MH then it is your right.
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Posted - 2014.01.21 16:45:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Lets laugh at the irony of this situation right now and get it out of our systems. Now lets start:
Blah blah blah ... yadda yadda yadda ... (lets throw some more horsedung and the community)
Excusez-moi!
All this horsedung coming from someone who abused the game mechanics in every possible way... You must really like to to chew on all the horsedung coming out of your mouth right? Whats the secret ? Siracha Sauce?
After abusing the game mechanics for months you try to portray yourself as a the savior of PC just because you are so fatted up on ISK you got nothing better to do?
Creating corps and alts on Dust are like bunnies humping during peak season. There numerous ways to counter the nonsense that just came out of your mouth and the simplest thing to do is create multiple corps or alts.
KD? Seriously? All you need is a single corp with a single dude as a sniper. Get a kill... leave the game... You can statpad your alt to kingdom come.
Stick to glitching Arirana... That's your forte... Dont even try attempting anything that remotely has to do with using your common sense or lack there off.
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Arirana
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:35:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Arirana wrote:Lets laugh at the irony of this situation right now and get it out of our systems. Now lets start:
Blah blah blah ... yadda yadda yadda ... (lets throw some more horsedung and the community)
Excusez-moi! All this horsedung coming from someone who abused the game mechanics in every possible way... You must really like to to chew on all the horsedung coming out of your mouth right? Whats the secret ? Siracha Sauce? After abusing the game mechanics for months you try to portray yourself as a the savior of PC just because you are so fatted up on ISK you got nothing better to do? Creating corps and alts on Dust are like bunnies humping during peak season. There numerous ways to counter the nonsense that just came out of your mouth and the simplest thing to do is create multiple corps or alts. KD? Seriously? All you need is a single corp with a single dude as a sniper. Get a kill... leave the game... You can statpad your alt to kingdom come. Stick to glitching Arirana... That's your forte... Dont even try attempting anything that remotely has to do with using your common sense or lack there off.
I know alot of what you said is warranted so I'll let that slide. Furthermore, the idea behind MHR is all I was trying to portray in this post, not the final product. As I stated in the OP, I don't care for taking credit, whether this will make people like me again, or if I get rich off it. I want 2-3 constellations set aside for noob corps that want in on PC, that's it.
Unless you're willing to contribute to this idea I suggest you refrain from posting. This is like looking at Hit-ler trying to stage a humanitarian operation to atone for his sins and telling him to stfu and stay a genocidal maniac. You guys are counter-productive in your own right. Mature the fuuck up.
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:47:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Arirana wrote:Lets laugh at the irony of this situation right now and get it out of our systems. Now lets start:
Blah blah blah ... yadda yadda yadda ... (lets throw some more horsedung and the community)
Excusez-moi! All this horsedung coming from someone who abused the game mechanics in every possible way... You must really like to to chew on all the horsedung coming out of your mouth right? Whats the secret ? Siracha Sauce? After abusing the game mechanics for months you try to portray yourself as a the savior of PC just because you are so fatted up on ISK you got nothing better to do? Creating corps and alts on Dust are like bunnies humping during peak season. There numerous ways to counter the nonsense that just came out of your mouth and the simplest thing to do is create multiple corps or alts. KD? Seriously? All you need is a single corp with a single dude as a sniper. Get a kill... leave the game... You can statpad your alt to kingdom come. Stick to glitching Arirana... That's your forte... Dont even try attempting anything that remotely has to do with using your common sense or lack there off.
Now that that's out of the way, can you explain what can be countered and how from what I've stated?
If you're talking about district locking I've already considered the possibility of double locking to counter the fix, and I've estimated that if an alliance were to try and lock up their districts, at least half would be left open within a day, while ALL of their districts could be "sniped" (as what the guys at DDB like to call attacking a district in the 30 second window before they have the chance to lock it). What this fix will accomplish will make district locking alot more obvious and impossible to do constantly, as well as to make sniping districts easier and less "wait an hour spamming x" time consuming.
With MHR, the KDR requirements are held for the purpose of the Battle Royale that will take play as soon as all of the corps that want to participate have districts in their designated division. If they prove to be too weak, or too strong for their division, MHR police would demote and promote corps accordingly, as well as set more accurate requirements for each division based on some consistencies and patterns in the skill level of each corp participating based on their division. Kinda like a survey, if you will.
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The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:52:00 -
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Arirana wrote:I know alot of what you said is warranted so I'll let that slide. Furthermore, the idea behind MHR is all I was trying to portray in this post, not the final product. As I stated in the OP, I don't care for taking credit, whether this will make people like me again, or if I get rich off it. I want 2-3 constellations set aside for noob corps that want in on PC, that's it.
Unless you're willing to contribute to this idea I suggest you refrain from posting. This is like looking at Hit-ler trying to stage a humanitarian operation to atone for his sins and telling him to stfu and stay a genocidal maniac. You guys are counter-productive in your own right. Mature the fuuck up.
Im sorry! You mistake me for someone that gives a ding dong didley to what you think or say or do. You are as insignificant now as the melee glitch.
But... since you asked someone has already put in a much better sugestion than you.
It takes someone with common sense to understand that the PC issues can only be sorted out by the strong corps giving up their districts and letting the smaller corps fight it among themselves. The smaller corps dont need any policing untill something goes out of hand. You with you exceptional common or lack there off either fails to see this or doesnt give a ding dong didley. Either way its bad news.
And if you or those numnuts in AE really care why dont you dont some ISK to people or corps that dont have it? If I can have over 500 million ISK after donating to randoms along the way I dont see any reason why you wont be able to do that.
Try to take action rather than force feeding the community with that horsedung you call lollogic.
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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:59:00 -
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Arirana wrote:Now that that's out of the way, can you explain what can be countered and how from what I've stated?
If you're talking about district locking I've already considered the possibility of double locking to counter the fix, and I've estimated that if an alliance were to try and lock up their districts, at least half would be left open within a day, while ALL of their districts could be "sniped" (as what the guys at DDB like to call attacking a district in the 30 second window before they have the chance to lock it). What this fix will accomplish will make district locking alot more obvious and impossible to do constantly, as well as to make sniping districts easier and less "wait an hour spamming x" time consuming.
With MHR, the KDR requirements are held for the purpose of the Battle Royale that will take play as soon as all of the corps that want to participate have districts in their designated division. If they prove to be too weak, or too strong for their division, MHR police would demote and promote corps accordingly, as well as set more accurate requirements for each division based on some consistencies and patterns in the skill level of each corp participating based on their division. Kinda like a survey, if you will.
Hello! Dumdum! Dust 514 is a sandbox game! Google it genius.
It is in the Eve environment which has High, Low and Null Sec. Carebaring takes place in High sec which are your pub matches and FW matches.
PC falls under the low sec category which means no carebaring i.e. no policing.
Your Battle Royale scheme is as flawed as your MHR. Whats to stop a A class corp with a single dude of 3.0 KD to get in ringers to defend a district?
Go back to drawing board son and rethink this. (My bad I shouldnt have used think and Arirana in the same sentence. My apologies for my gramatical errors)
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Arirana
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Posted - 2014.01.21 18:59:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Arirana wrote:I know alot of what you said is warranted so I'll let that slide. Furthermore, the idea behind MHR is all I was trying to portray in this post, not the final product. As I stated in the OP, I don't care for taking credit, whether this will make people like me again, or if I get rich off it. I want 2-3 constellations set aside for noob corps that want in on PC, that's it.
Unless you're willing to contribute to this idea I suggest you refrain from posting. This is like looking at Hit-ler trying to stage a humanitarian operation to atone for his sins and telling him to stfu and stay a genocidal maniac. You guys are counter-productive in your own right. Mature the fuuck up. Im sorry! You mistake me for someone that gives a ding dong didley to what you think or say or do. You are as insignificant now as the melee glitch. But... since you asked someone has already put in a much better sugestion than you.It takes someone with common sense to understand that the PC issues can only be sorted out by the strong corps giving up their districts and letting the smaller corps fight it among themselves. The smaller corps dont need any policing untill something goes out of hand. You with you exceptional common or lack there off either fails to see this or doesnt give a ding dong didley. Either way its bad news. And if you or those numnuts in AE really care why dont you dont some ISK to people or corps that dont have it? If I can have over 500 million ISK after donating to randoms along the way I dont see any reason why you wont be able to do that. Try to take action rather than force feeding the community with that horsedung you call lollogic.
You are fuucking ignorant. First of all, he doesn't give a single fix for district locking. One thing my post has better than his.
Second, the whole idea of MHR is based off of most of strong corps, MY ALLIANCE WAS SPECIFIED, in giving up districts and handing them off to smaller corps. If you read all of the important bits instead of skipping straight to the A-B-C division requirements like a e-peen stroking idiot that has no intention of giving a shiit about anything else, you would have realized that.
Ydubbs has a good idea, its good on paper. The same could be said about my idea. But my idea is a lot more realistic. Telling a corp capable of holding a quarter of Molden Heath they may only have 1 planet and never leave it defeats the whole purpose of "Planetary Conquest".
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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:06:00 -
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Arirana wrote:You are fuucking ignorant. First of all, he doesn't give a single fix for district locking. One thing my post has better than his.
Second, the whole idea of MHR is based off of most of strong corps, MY ALLIANCE WAS SPECIFIED, in giving up districts and handing them off to smaller corps. If you read all of the important bits instead of skipping straight to the A-B-C division requirements like a e-peen stroking idiot that has no intention of giving a shiit about anything else, you would have realized that.
Ydubbs has a good idea, its good on paper. The same could be said about my idea. But my idea is a lot more realistic. Telling a corp capable of holding a quarter of Molden Heath they may only have 1 planet and never leave it defeats the whole purpose of "Planetary Conquest".
Sureeeee. My ignorance is at the same level of the ignorance of people who think you cannot AFK anymore.
Your alliance is nothing but a bunch of rejects with PBS and glory holes so big you could shove the Washington Monument through it. The only the worthwhile in your alliance is eatsbabies cienfuegos and his bunch of pirates. I have mad respect for that guy. The rest of y'all are scrubs to the nth order.
Ydubbs idea is the best. Period! Your idea on paper is as good as the paper is use to wipe my royal behind when im done taking a dump.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:07:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Arirana wrote:Now that that's out of the way, can you explain what can be countered and how from what I've stated?
If you're talking about district locking I've already considered the possibility of double locking to counter the fix, and I've estimated that if an alliance were to try and lock up their districts, at least half would be left open within a day, while ALL of their districts could be "sniped" (as what the guys at DDB like to call attacking a district in the 30 second window before they have the chance to lock it). What this fix will accomplish will make district locking alot more obvious and impossible to do constantly, as well as to make sniping districts easier and less "wait an hour spamming x" time consuming.
With MHR, the KDR requirements are held for the purpose of the Battle Royale that will take play as soon as all of the corps that want to participate have districts in their designated division. If they prove to be too weak, or too strong for their division, MHR police would demote and promote corps accordingly, as well as set more accurate requirements for each division based on some consistencies and patterns in the skill level of each corp participating based on their division. Kinda like a survey, if you will. Hello! Dumdum! Dust 514 is a sandbox game! Google it genius. It is in the Eve environment which has High, Low and Null Sec. Carebaring takes place in High sec which are your pub matches and FW matches. PC falls under the low sec category which means no carebaring i.e. no policing. Your Battle Royale scheme is as flawed as your MHR. Whats to stop a A class corp with a single dude of 3.0 KD to get in ringers to defend a district? Go back to drawing board son and rethink this. (My bad I shouldnt have used think and Arirana in the same sentence. My apologies for my gramatical errors)
Seriously Arch, you JUST told me an idea that utterly destroys the Sandbox is a better idea than mine, now you think I don't know what a sandbox is?
*sigh* this is gonna be a long afternoon. Alright, let me explain it this way. A division space is the sandbox where big boys play.
B division space is the sandbox where the up and coming medium sized boys play.
While C division space is the sandbox for nooby small boys that want to fight other nooby small boys.
The sandbox we currently have in PC sucks, only the best of the best can compete while those small corps are pushed out. What I suggested is that we only fight corps on our level, to give small corps a chance. Not camp on a planet of districts sworn never to leave them while ringing ourselves into all of those smaller corps battles so that they do not have to fight eachother.
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:10:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Arirana wrote:You are fuucking ignorant. First of all, he doesn't give a single fix for district locking. One thing my post has better than his.
Second, the whole idea of MHR is based off of most of strong corps, MY ALLIANCE WAS SPECIFIED, in giving up districts and handing them off to smaller corps. If you read all of the important bits instead of skipping straight to the A-B-C division requirements like a e-peen stroking idiot that has no intention of giving a shiit about anything else, you would have realized that.
Ydubbs has a good idea, its good on paper. The same could be said about my idea. But my idea is a lot more realistic. Telling a corp capable of holding a quarter of Molden Heath they may only have 1 planet and never leave it defeats the whole purpose of "Planetary Conquest". Sureeeee. My ignorance is at the same level of the ignorance of people who think you cannot AFK anymore. Your alliance is nothing but a bunch of rejects with PBS and glory holes so big you could shove the Washington Monument through it. The only the worthwhile in your alliance is eatsbabies cienfuegos and his bunch of pirates. I have mad respect for that guy. The rest of y'all are scrubs to the nth order. Ydubbs idea is the best. Period! Your idea on paper is as good as the paper is use to wipe my royal behind when im done taking a dump.
explain why its better. Give me 3 reasons that have nothing to do with insulting me and my alliance. go.
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CUBS UNbanned Alt
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:11:00 -
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when will people learn that the LEAST amount of work to get the expected result is what will happen, so crackpot off the wall ideas, while many are cool, simply aren't gonna happen before PS5 is released..
remove passive isk, implement a system to increase payouts for actually playing matches, with a mechanic that the match becomes void when less than 12ppl in there.
some huge isk bonus for capturing a district
have to look at it in this regard... attempting to separate areas and divide skill levels etc will only lead to sandbagging, alt corps and people finding ways to work around it.
a universal, as simple as possible fix is the solution,
that and someone remembering to pick up rampage from his ballet class at 3:30.
#suxtoB2Young2Drive#11thgraderepeater#BooMRoasTeD
Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
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Arirana
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:17:00 -
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CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote:when will people learn that the LEAST amount of work to get the expected result is what will happen, so crackpot off the wall ideas, while many are cool, simply aren't gonna happen before PS5 is released..
remove passive isk, implement a system to increase payouts for actually playing matches, with a mechanic that the match becomes void when less than 12ppl in there.
some huge isk bonus for capturing a district
have to look at it in this regard... attempting to separate areas and divide skill levels etc will only lead to sandbagging, alt corps and people finding ways to work around it.
a universal, as simple as possible fix is the solution,
that and someone remembering to pick up rampage from his ballet class at 3:30.
#suxtoB2Young2Drive#11thgraderepeater#BooMRoasTeD
Its as simple as PFC, just on a bigger scale. Waiting around for CCP to take care of this while it is well within our power, frankly, its embarrassing. I'm honestly ashamed to be a part of a playerbase that is willing to ***** and complain about glitching but do nothing about it. I may have glitched, but the difference between me and the rest of you, is that I'm willing to take action.
The same goes for the state of PC. We are in control, there is nothing stopping us from keeping tiny corps and griefers w/ringers in line. In fact, I am looking forward to it. It will be fun.
I have an ego?! O.O
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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CUBS UNbanned Alt
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:26:00 -
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Arirana wrote:CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote:when will people learn that the LEAST amount of work to get the expected result is what will happen, so crackpot off the wall ideas, while many are cool, simply aren't gonna happen before PS5 is released..
remove passive isk, implement a system to increase payouts for actually playing matches, with a mechanic that the match becomes void when less than 12ppl in there.
some huge isk bonus for capturing a district
have to look at it in this regard... attempting to separate areas and divide skill levels etc will only lead to sandbagging, alt corps and people finding ways to work around it.
a universal, as simple as possible fix is the solution,
that and someone remembering to pick up rampage from his ballet class at 3:30.
#suxtoB2Young2Drive#11thgraderepeater#BooMRoasTeD Its as simple as PFC, just on a bigger scale. Waiting around for CCP to take care of this while it is well within our power, frankly, its embarrassing. I'm honestly ashamed to be a part of a playerbase that is willing to ***** and complain about glitching but do nothing about it. I may have glitched, but the difference between me and the rest of you, is that I'm willing to take action. The same goes for the state of PC. We are in control, there is nothing stopping us besides district locking from keeping tiny corps and griefers w/ringers in line. In fact, I am looking forward to it. It will be fun.
try not digging yourself further below ground bud.
PFC is a purely failed concept. It worked for a time, well, got CLOSE to working as intended for a time, and there are moments it works but is far from being something the community has gotten to work.
the action u took was talk crap and openly accept and even promote it, until it was actually fixed.
I do agree though, that the state of PC and its imminent future ARE in the hands of the players. that being said there is little reason to unlock districts when you have 90% of the top talent in this game spread to 3 or 4 groups.
then you have 1/4 of all districts on a time no one aside from TSOL and maybe 1 other corp could ever logically ATTEMPT to take...
bottom line no one is going to give up their isk.
just not gonna happen
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Sentient Archon
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Arirana wrote:Seriously Arch, you JUST told me an idea that utterly destroys the Sandbox is a better idea than mine, now you think I don't know what a sandbox is?
Why you ask? Let me explain to you since I got nothing better to do for the next 1.5 hours. Im done picking my nose and scratching my nuts...
Lets go back to a very famous statement in Eve;- With great risk comes great reward!
With that in mind;- PC is all about the big boys. It is the Cr+¿me de la Cr+¿me of what Dust has to offer (Unfortunately or fortunately). Its for those of us who are dedicated to the game which includes you and those clowns in AE. Its not for everyone. Thats what pub matches are for.
Arirana wrote: A division space is the sandbox where big boys play.
AKA PC!
Arirana wrote:B division space is the sandbox where the up and coming medium sized boys play.
These are for the peeps who cant make up their minds whether they are serious or not. They dont deserve to be in PC.
Arirana wrote:While C division space is the sandbox for nooby small boys that want to fight other nooby small boys.
AKA Pubs
Sandbox environments mean that you should have flexibility in doing what the environment lets you do. If it can be done;- do it. In New Eden;- if you can make ISK off it, do it. And we all ove ISK because the cool stuff is expensive. What you are talking about is limiting combat in tiers. Thats not fair at all. What if some tier C corp wants to fight AE just for ***** and giggles? You method would prevent them from doing that. Instead they have to first fight the lower tiers corps, then move to tier b and then to tier A.
Ever heard of the Russian Stealth Bomb squadrons vs Goonswarm? That what sandbox should be like.
If the freedom to fight whoever we want to and whenever we want to! Those silly clocks need to go and alliance corps should be able to defend another alliance corps districts.
But thats a long way away. Till then carebaring is required and Ydubbs idea meets those goals. Reason being the number of people playing dust isnt that great (Please IWS... Dont come up with your BS stats of how the Dust numbers are great).
Its simple;- let the smaller corps duke it out. Once someone gets overconfident and gets balsy enough to do something stupid;- thats when you show them their place.
Anything else?
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:37:00 -
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CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote:Arirana wrote:CUBS UNbanned Alt wrote:when will people learn that the LEAST amount of work to get the expected result is what will happen, so crackpot off the wall ideas, while many are cool, simply aren't gonna happen before PS5 is released..
remove passive isk, implement a system to increase payouts for actually playing matches, with a mechanic that the match becomes void when less than 12ppl in there.
some huge isk bonus for capturing a district
have to look at it in this regard... attempting to separate areas and divide skill levels etc will only lead to sandbagging, alt corps and people finding ways to work around it.
a universal, as simple as possible fix is the solution,
that and someone remembering to pick up rampage from his ballet class at 3:30.
#suxtoB2Young2Drive#11thgraderepeater#BooMRoasTeD Its as simple as PFC, just on a bigger scale. Waiting around for CCP to take care of this while it is well within our power, frankly, its embarrassing. I'm honestly ashamed to be a part of a playerbase that is willing to ***** and complain about glitching but do nothing about it. I may have glitched, but the difference between me and the rest of you, is that I'm willing to take action. The same goes for the state of PC. We are in control, there is nothing stopping us besides district locking from keeping tiny corps and griefers w/ringers in line. In fact, I am looking forward to it. It will be fun. try not digging yourself further below ground bud. PFC is a purely failed concept. It worked for a time, well, got CLOSE to working as intended for a time, and there are moments it works but is far from being something the community has gotten to work. the action u took was talk crap and openly accept and even promote it, until it was actually fixed. I do agree though, that the state of PC and its imminent future ARE in the hands of the players. that being said there is little reason to unlock districts when you have 90% of the top talent in this game spread to 3 or 4 groups. then you have 1/4 of all districts on a time no one aside from TSOL and maybe 1 other corp could ever logically ATTEMPT to take... bottom line no one is going to give up their isk. just not gonna happen
If PFC were a purely failed concept, Nyain would be in there clearing out the scrubs. People are still making an effort in PFC. The original plan for PFC was far too unrealistic. 24 corps battling it out, never flipping each others districts, bringing in ringers, etc. District Locking is a problem plaguing PFC, which is why I don't see MHR happening until that gets fixed/nerfed.
I understand there will always be griefers. What I'm counting on is once district locking is fixed, A division corps will be more than happy to fend off the griefers and make their endeavors unprofitable.
The sad truth will be that A division corps will be the ones making alts and griefing MHR anonymously, funding the act with their A division isk. I'm confident I can find those people, and make them quickly realize how pointless it is.
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Long Evity
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:41:00 -
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Let's stop with this pointless confrontation of Arirana's past vs his present, he's making an honest effort and it's for all to see.
But it's unrealistic at best. If you could get the entire AE leadership here with FA and NF saying they'd support this, then we'd have something to continue your idea with.
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Sentient Archon
1397
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:48:00 -
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Arirana wrote:
explain why its better. Give me 3 reasons that have nothing to do with insulting me and my alliance. go.
For starters let me say that in no way am I insulting your alliance. I even made reference about eatsbabies cienfuegos
who I have mad respect for and is in your alliance. I did however derogate your corp i.e. AE and Nyan San can KMA!
I however have a condescending nature. That would explain my so called insult to you and your corp. Its not personal. I did shoot you with a scrambler pistol a few times which was most gratifying.
Anywho back to answering your question;-
1. Player base is too small to have a tiering system
2. By having a tiering system you limit who attacks you or who you get attacked by
3. The payouts are the same in your system despite the risk vs reward motto of Eve
4. PC is the foothold to Null Sec. If and when null sec is implemented Eve corps would want proven track record. Tiering doesnt help prove track record.
5. There will be no distincting between the casual and hardcore. Casual players can just own tier C districts and mint ISK without even doing anything.
6. Its the EZ mode
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:48:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:
Sandbox environments mean that you should have flexibility in doing what the environment lets you do. If it can be done;- do it. In New Eden;- if you can make ISK off it, do it. And we all ove ISK because the cool stuff is expensive. What you are talking about is limiting combat in tiers. Thats not fair at all. What if some tier C corp wants to fight AE just for ***** and giggles? You method would prevent them from doing that. Instead they have to first fight the lower tiers corps, then move to tier b and then to tier A.
Ever heard of the Russian Stealth Bomb squadrons vs Goonswarm? That what sandbox should be like.
If the freedom to fight whoever we want to and whenever we want to! Those silly clocks need to go and alliance corps should be able to defend another alliance corps districts.
But thats a long way away. Till then carebaring is required and Ydubbs idea meets those goals. Reason being the number of people playing dust isnt that great (Please IWS... Dont come up with your BS stats of how the Dust numbers are great).
Its simple;- let the smaller corps duke it out. Once someone gets overconfident and gets balsy enough to do something stupid;- thats when you show them their place.
Anything else?
Hell yeah, I have more. Sentient Archon wrote:
What you are talking about is limiting combat in tiers. Thats not fair at all. What if some tier C corp wants to fight AE just for ***** and giggles? You method would prevent them from doing that. Instead they have to first fight the lower tiers corps, then move to tier b and then to tier A.
I will say it again. Read my OP then reply, because you are talking about problems I HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSEDQuote:Ranking Qualifications- Ranks will be scaled by maximums and not minimums, for the sake of blueberry corps wanting the try their luck at the big time.The KDR requirment is merrily an initial guideline for which corps go where. It in no way defines their true division. (NOTE: YOU MUST APPLY HERE TO BE LISTED UNDER ANY CATEGORY AT THIS TIME)
Quote:A corp cannot attack another corp in a lower division than them under the pretense of flipping their district unless it is warranted MHR Police work. Mutual wars between corps from different divisions may be carried out under the MHR Police's watchful eye.
Read the OP. I don't care how much you think you know, read the fuucking OP. READ THE OP. How many times must I say it? Come back with constructive criticism. Not insults made without knowledge of what I have already thought of.
Though you had a good point in the first half of what you said (had to delete because too many quotes). Even so, noob corps should be able to taste at least a small amount of PC. Otherwise they may never strive to get better. Bringing back Corp Battles just won't cut it. Its not the same as war. As the risk of losing your stuff.
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CUBS UNbanned Alt
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:52:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Let's stop with this pointless confrontation of Arirana's past vs his present, he's making an honest effort and it's for all to see.
But it's unrealistic at best. If you could get the entire AE leadership here with FA and NF saying they'd support this, then we'd have something to continue your idea with.
STFU or u getting trolled next waterboy 
Don't drink the koolaid... Rampage made it from scratch and didn't wash his hands
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Sentient Archon
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Posted - 2014.01.21 19:54:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Let's stop with this pointless confrontation of Arirana's past vs his present, he's making an honest effort and it's for all to see.
But it's unrealistic at best. If you could get the entire AE leadership here with FA and NF saying they'd support this, then we'd have something to continue your idea with.
Trust is New Eden is earned my friend not gained just because you want to do the right thing. When Arirana used the melee glitch AE went to great extents to cover it up and say that it was an in game mechanics. Arirana did come out and accept that it was a glitch and should be fixed but that didnt stop him from using it in pubs and PC matches. He had the choice to do what was right and not use it. I guess he was having way too much fun then. But actions and consequences go hand in hand.
He may be trying to do the right thing now but once bitten twice shy.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
691
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Posted - 2014.01.21 20:44:00 -
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Ariana,
First off, I appreciate your OP and taking it at face value I think your intent is actually aimed at trying to make Dust a better game. I think youGÇÖve also shown a certain amount of fortitude just by proposing the idea continuing to actively and engage the thread in a logical and patient manner (mostly) even with the somewhat justified hate being thrown at you.
To your concept; what you are essentially proposing is a actually in line with the sandbox feel that most of us want. Effectively you are proposing a self-regulating body for Private Military Corporations (PMCs) aka just plain old merc outfits. There are plenty of historical and recent examples of this in real life. If you want to throw New Eden flavor on it the MHR would be a self-regulating body that naturally developed to protect all merc interests (read profit and safety) in relation to Concord and the Factions.
You are laying out a profit structure that allows for upward mobility and gives smaller corps a shot at PC which, frankly, is needed in the game. Right now there is little incentive for most corps to actually get into PC, big alliances to accept smaller corps, and the ISK divide between the top and bottom just gets bigger. EVE utilizes the high/low/null sec model to provide this framework and if that type of model were overlaid it might make your proposal a bit unnecessary. Until that time I think the MHR construct you are proposing not bad; lots of holes in it but not bad.
Issues/questions:
1) Aside from whole getting all the major powers to essentially sign on to a GÇ£charterGÇ¥ of some sort I think one of the big concerns is how you tier or rank corps. I like the win and youGÇÖre in style for upward mobility but I donGÇÖt think KDR is good answer as a qualifier. I think you would have most corps self-selecting into the 2nd and 3rd bracket just out of practicality. Do you think you need an additional Tier to further separate things? The corp base is pretty small.
2) How would you determine the GÇ£capGÇ¥ on districts/planets being owned by corps? As noted in #1 there would likely be many more corps in 2nd and 3rd tierGǪwhatGÇÖs the acceptable scale by tier? Maybe a Tier 1 corp gets a system, Tier 2 whole planet, and Tier 3 a couple districts?
3) How do you regulate the alliance overlay? If you have a lower tier outfit thatGÇÖs in an alliance with that pulls in varsity players that might skew things. Example, BobGÇÖs Mercs joins CI and every time they PC itGÇÖs 2 or 3 guys from BobGÇÖs Mercs and a squad of FA, an OSG HAV / Dropship squad, and a couple other heavy hitters from other corpsGǪ.are they being tiered or is the Alliance being tiered?
Lastly, I donGÇÖt hold your past glitching against you but I certainly donGÇÖt condone it. You get stung by the fallout of it every time you post or guys see you play and question your skills but that doesnGÇÖt mean you donGÇÖt want to genuinely help the game and by extension player and corps not in the GÇ£upper 10%GÇ¥. Again, I appreciate the conversation you are trying to start with the thread.
Just thoughts from my perspective as veteran player with average skills that would like PC to be relevant to everyone if they want to participate.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.21 21:48:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:Arirana wrote:
explain why its better. Give me 3 reasons that have nothing to do with insulting me and my alliance. go.
For starters let me say that in no way am I insulting your alliance. I even made reference about eatsbabies cienfuegos who I have mad respect for and is in your alliance. I did however derogate your corp i.e. AE and Nyan San can KMA! I however have a condescending nature. That would explain my so called insult to you and your corp. Its not personal. I did shoot you with a scrambler pistol a few times which was most gratifying. Anywho back to answering your question;- 1. Player base is too small to have a tiering system 2. By having a tiering system you limit who attacks you or who you get attacked by 3. The payouts are the same in your system despite the risk vs reward motto of Eve 4. PC is the foothold to Null Sec. If and when null sec is implemented Eve corps would want proven track record. Tiering doesnt help prove track record. 5. There will be no distincting between the casual and hardcore. Casual players can just own tier C districts and mint ISK without even doing anything. 6. Its the EZ mode
Reason one is no excuse. There are still dozens of corps that want some PC action, though the playerbase is very small. I agree.
Reason two is only half right. You can have mutual wars. Plus, Ydubbs idea prevents strong corps from attacking small corps, considering he said we would only hold one planet and cannot leave it. In essence, his idea the same as mine but less organized.
Reason three is a solid reason. 10 points to Gryffindor. Though I intentionally made A division Space (119 districts) > B (55 districts) Division space > (45 districts) C division Space to encourage corps to upgrade and get better so that they may have a chance at more districts.
Reason four, I'm gonna need to to explain this one, missed the point.
Reason five, it will be the same as PFC in that regard. MHR police will step in if farming districts is > wars.
Reason six, idk what you meant by that, but ok lol
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4473
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Posted - 2014.01.21 22:44:00 -
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Just to add to this idea
Maybe each alliance has Junior varsity team tier b and a c team they can be corps that we adopt.
Then it would be much easier to regulate
We have a limit to how many alliance members can be in a match say 1-4 allowing these lowers tier corps a chance to have fc from their alliance and also that alliance member can witness if either team is using ringers or more than the agreed to 1-4
So lower tier corps get adopted by the larger corps/alliances they keep their identity but have the protection of the larger corp/alliance.
Obviously if our b and c level corps are going at it we let them go. Giving more smaller corps the ability to enjoy PC
This may be easier to regulate because we will be in contact with our b and c level corps watching their development |
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
370
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Posted - 2014.01.21 23:21:00 -
[101] - Quote
Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Ariana,
First off, I appreciate your OP and taking it at face value I think your intent is actually aimed at trying to make Dust a better game. I think youGÇÖve also shown a certain amount of fortitude just by proposing the idea continuing to actively and engage the thread in a logical and patient manner (mostly) even with the somewhat justified hate being thrown at you.
To your concept; what you are essentially proposing is a actually in line with the sandbox feel that most of us want. Effectively you are proposing a self-regulating body for Private Military Corporations (PMCs) aka just plain old merc outfits. There are plenty of historical and recent examples of this in real life. If you want to throw New Eden flavor on it the MHR would be a self-regulating body that naturally developed to protect all merc interests (read profit and safety) in relation to Concord and the Factions.
You are laying out a profit structure that allows for upward mobility and gives smaller corps a shot at PC which, frankly, is needed in the game. Right now there is little incentive for most corps to actually get into PC, big alliances to accept smaller corps, and the ISK divide between the top and bottom just gets bigger. EVE utilizes the high/low/null sec model to provide this framework and if that type of model were overlaid it might make your proposal a bit unnecessary. Until that time I think the MHR construct you are proposing not bad; lots of holes in it but not bad.
Issues/questions:
1) Aside from whole getting all the major powers to essentially sign on to a GÇ£charterGÇ¥ of some sort I think one of the big concerns is how you tier or rank corps. I like the win and youGÇÖre in style for upward mobility but I donGÇÖt think KDR is good answer as a qualifier. I think you would have most corps self-selecting into the 2nd and 3rd bracket just out of practicality. Do you think you need an additional Tier to further separate things? The corp base is pretty small.
2) How would you determine the GÇ£capGÇ¥ on districts/planets being owned by corps? As noted in #1 there would likely be many more corps in 2nd and 3rd tierGǪwhatGÇÖs the acceptable scale by tier? Maybe a Tier 1 corp gets a system, Tier 2 whole planet, and Tier 3 a couple districts?
3) How do you regulate the alliance overlay? If you have a lower tier outfit thatGÇÖs in an alliance with that pulls in varsity players that might skew things. Example, BobGÇÖs Mercs joins CI and every time they PC itGÇÖs 2 or 3 guys from BobGÇÖs Mercs and a squad of FA, an OSG HAV / Dropship squad, and a couple other heavy hitters from other corpsGǪ.are they being tiered or is the Alliance being tiered?
Lastly, I donGÇÖt hold your past glitching against you but I certainly donGÇÖt condone it. You get stung by the fallout of it every time you post or guys see you play and question your skills but that doesnGÇÖt mean you donGÇÖt want to genuinely help the game and by extension player and corps not in the GÇ£upper 10%GÇ¥. Again, I appreciate the conversation you are trying to start with the thread.
Just thoughts from my perspective as veteran player with average skills that would like PC to be relevant to everyone if they want to participate.
1: I was never intending to use KDR as a absolute outline but as a guideline on who should go where. I stated right next to it that it will be overruled by requirement 3, which is whether you can hold a presence in the division higher than your own or not. All I said was that corps with a KDR higher than 3.0 cannot participate in B division, and corps with higher than a 2.0 kdr cannot participate in C division, UNLESS they get pushed out of A or B division. Even then corps may be excluded from MHR if they are far too strong for one division, but too weak (seemly, they could be faking it) for the one above it.
2: There is no cap, but if a corp is rolling over all of the others in their division, it would warrant a promotion to the next division above that one. MHR Police would reserve the right to make that decision as well as revise any rules put in place.
3:Ringing will be a huge issue. Its quite debatable, but as of right now all I can think of to be fair is that you can ONLY ring in players that are a part of your division, and MHR Police decides who is in what. Alliance is irrelevant when it comes to C and B division space, unless your entire alliance is in B or C division. Say Regynum left his corp so that he isn't a part of an A division corp, so he can ring for B and C division corps. That would be against the rules if MHR police decide he is an A division player. However, ringing will remain a flexible topic based on what the party's involved want. You cannot use A division ringers in B division space unless the opponent allows it.
To clear up the matter of maintaining sandbox in PC, Almur will remain under anarchy, anything goes. However, I expect it will look much like PC does today with A division corps ruling, so it would be considered A division space among most. A large amount of districts will be fair game for anyone, 119 to be exact, so it won't necessarily make PC care bear land. Just partly
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
370
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:05:00 -
[102] - Quote
HowDidThatTaste wrote:Just to add to this idea
Maybe each alliance has Junior varsity team tier b and a c team they can be corps that we adopt.
Then it would be much easier to regulate
We have a limit to how many alliance members can be in a match say 1-4 allowing these lowers tier corps a chance to have fc from their alliance and also that alliance member can witness if either team is using ringers or more than the agreed to 1-4
So lower tier corps get adopted by the larger corps/alliances they keep their identity but have the protection of the larger corp/alliance.
Obviously if our b and c level corps are going at it we let them go. Giving more smaller corps the ability to enjoy PC
This may be easier to regulate because we will be in contact with our b and c level corps watching their development
That will be entirely up to the opponent. It just won't be fair to train them using A division players if the other side doesn't have the same advantage or condone to it. Though the idea of having multi-division alliances is extremely interesting (to me anyway) and I would like to see that happen.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
691
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:40:00 -
[103] - Quote
Arirana wrote:1: I was never intending to use KDR as a absolute outline but as a guideline on who should go where. I stated right next to it that it will be overruled by requirement 3, which is whether you can hold a presence in the division higher than your own or not. All I said was that corps with a KDR higher than 3.0 cannot participate in B division, and corps with higher than a 2.0 kdr cannot participate in C division, UNLESS they get pushed out of A or B division. Even then corps may be excluded from MHR if they are far too strong for one division, but too weak (seemly, they could be faking it) for the one above it. 2: There is no cap, but if a corp is rolling over all of the others in their division, it would warrant a promotion to the next division above that one. MHR Police would reserve the right to make that decision as well as revise any rules put in place. 3:Ringing will be a huge issue. Its quite debatable, but as of right now all I can think of to be fair is that you can ONLY ring in players that are a part of your division, and MHR Police decides who is in what. Alliance is irrelevant when it comes to C and B division space, unless your entire alliance is in B or C division. Say Regynum left his corp so that he isn't a part of an A division corp, so he can ring for B and C division corps. That would be against the rules if MHR police decide he is an A division player. However, ringing will remain a flexible topic based on what the party's involved want. You cannot use A division ringers in B division space unless the opponent allows it. To clear up the matter of maintaining sandbox in PC, Almur will remain under anarchy, anything goes. However, I expect it will look much like PC does today with A division corps ruling, so it would be considered A division space among most. A large amount of districts will be fair game for anyone, 119 to be exact, so it won't necessarily make PC care bear land. Just partly
I should have cleared up the KDR question; I re-read and you did state it. Basically, I was more focused on how to do the intial tiering of Corps beyond the basic lay down. Seems you need to have a bit of subjective scoring involved as a sanity check....I'm ok with that in theory but it needs to be a pretty transparent discussion. My recommendation is to essentially let corps seed themselves in the category of their choosing and things will probably sort themselves out in a week or two by using the "win and in / lose and out" forumula.
I think you are on the right track with the "no cap" deal, however, you probably do need to have some established "by-laws" or charter so to speak so no one calls foul that MHR Police whackec someone out of turn. It's also probably feasible that you'll have a couple B Tier corps that can dominate in that tier but still not match A Tier Corps. Without some up front discussion or rules of the road that could get sticky.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
370
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Posted - 2014.01.22 00:45:00 -
[104] - Quote
Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:
I should have cleared up the KDR question; I re-read and you did state it. Basically, I was more focused on how to do the intial tiering of Corps beyond the basic lay down. Seems you need to have a bit of subjective scoring involved as a sanity check....I'm ok with that in theory but it needs to be a pretty transparent discussion. My recommendation is to essentially let corps seed themselves in the category of their choosing and things will probably sort themselves out in a week or two by using the "win and in / lose and out" forumula.
I think you are on the right track with the "no cap" deal, however, you probably do need to have some established "by-laws" or charter so to speak so no one calls foul that MHR Police whackec someone out of turn. It's also probably feasible that you'll have a couple B Tier corps that can dominate in that tier but still not match A Tier Corps. Without some up front discussion or rules of the road that could get sticky.
I assume this will become standard procedure to have the leader of each party involved discussing this to reach an ultimate conclusion. Noted, plan on updating rules.
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8213
0uter.Heaven
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1435
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Posted - 2014.01.22 06:06:00 -
[105] - Quote
A tier system I think would work better in corp contracts. PC is for the big boys.
As far as one alliance holding most of MH, can't you attack anyone at any time? What stops AE & DDB rolling on NS for example?
It looks like NS joined RA for the simple reason they didn't want to be gained up on.
Fish in a bucket!
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
372
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Posted - 2014.01.22 06:40:00 -
[106] - Quote
If they add corp battles back MHR won't really be worth it anymore, maybe an extension on PFC and that's it.
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The scales have fallen from my eyes.
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Marad''er
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.22 07:01:00 -
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Arirana wrote:If they add corp battles back MHR won't really be worth it anymore, maybe an extension on PFC and that's it.
I fear that corp battles would actually destroy PC. Why wait for someone to attack you and Wait a whole day when you can just battle immediately?
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The Baby Shaker
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.22 07:14:00 -
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Marad''er wrote:Arirana wrote:If they add corp battles back MHR won't really be worth it anymore, maybe an extension on PFC and that's it. I fear that corp battles would actually destroy PC. Why wait for someone to attack you and Wait a whole day when you can just battle immediately?
everyone locks up districts to avoid pc and keep their districts. Why would they show up to a corp battle if theres nothing to win/lose. Honor and courage doesnt seem to mean much to most corps
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2014.01.22 07:32:00 -
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Marad''er wrote:Arirana wrote:If they add corp battles back MHR won't really be worth it anymore, maybe an extension on PFC and that's it. I fear that corp battles would actually destroy PC. Why wait for someone to attack you and Wait a whole day when you can just battle immediately?
Because you don't take land which means passive ISK.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2290
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Posted - 2014.01.22 08:20:00 -
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I like the corp battles and applying corp ranking to that would be sweet but keep the tournament style antics out of pc, you should know that has no place there.
Pc will truly be fixed when its changed drastically, my ideas have had likes from relevant people and I don't mean players either
And posting in a page of threads containing calling people out, whining about melee glitches , bullying other players and self entitled idiocy isn't the way to go mate, I'd copy and paste this to feedback/requests, despite what you may think, that is the best place to post it trust me.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.01.22 08:25:00 -
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In fact if this got noticed it'd be moved to feedback/requests and if you want it noticed then you should move it there.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.01.22 08:39:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:I am going to continue to troll the **** out of you Arirana - even though I like you now - forgive me for it, you know I can't let it go. But can you possibly repost this in the feedback section of the forums? It really is a good idea and well thought out. Hopefully the guys who hold a grudge against you, like myself, won't be there lurking.
This right here, I don't even agree with pc on a fundamental level and your ideas merely polish that pile of sht arirana but you need this in the feedback section. The war room is the biggest pile of non constructive trash in dust, see any dev tags? They have the decency to at least acknowledge anything they really like, your ideas won't even get noticed here.
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Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
373
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Posted - 2014.01.22 10:29:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Long Evity wrote:I am going to continue to troll the **** out of you Arirana - even though I like you now - forgive me for it, you know I can't let it go. But can you possibly repost this in the feedback section of the forums? It really is a good idea and well thought out. Hopefully the guys who hold a grudge against you, like myself, won't be there lurking. This right here, I don't even agree with pc on a fundamental level and your ideas merely polish that pile of sht arirana but you need this in the feedback section. The war room is the biggest pile of non constructive trash in dust, see any dev tags? They have the decency to at least acknowledge anything they really like, your ideas won't even get noticed here.
What I was hoping for was maybe the first pages to be filled with hate and constructive criticism, then when people start realizing that I'm listening and improving on my idea's they will start discussing this seriously. I've already seen a few good replies in here that helped me quite alot, you just gotta know how to look for them. Once my ideas are presentable, I'll repost in feedback/requests.
Getting honest discussions going in feedback seemed less possible, most likely my post will just get ignored under the pile of new weapon requests, or be commented on by a dozen people without a single ounce of crap given about the state of PC and what it stands for. I'm hoping someone will come up with better idea's to fix district locking than mine, because clonepack immunity and moving clones/cooldown has it's flaws.
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Arirana
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
373
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Posted - 2014.01.22 10:43:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:I like the corp battles and applying corp ranking to that would be sweet but keep the tournament style antics out of pc, you should know that has no place there. Pc will truly be fixed when its changed drastically, my ideas have had likes from relevant people and I don't mean players either And posting in a page of threads containing calling people out, whining about melee glitches , bullying other players and self entitled idiocy isn't the way to go mate, I'd copy and paste this to feedback/requests, despite what you may think, that is the best place to post it trust me.
Feedback really isn't the best section for this type of discussion. The purpose of this thread was to throw ideas around and get a solid product presentable for feedback/requests. In fact, I already made a post in feedback and it was entirely ignored. I dug through the first five pages and couldn't find it again.
If you haven't noticed, feedback is filled with people who's idea of contributing to the thread is saying "I like it" and demanding more info
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2291
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Posted - 2014.01.22 12:06:00 -
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Arirana wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I like the corp battles and applying corp ranking to that would be sweet but keep the tournament style antics out of pc, you should know that has no place there. Pc will truly be fixed when its changed drastically, my ideas have had likes from relevant people and I don't mean players either And posting in a page of threads containing calling people out, whining about melee glitches , bullying other players and self entitled idiocy isn't the way to go mate, I'd copy and paste this to feedback/requests, despite what you may think, that is the best place to post it trust me. Feedback really isn't the best section for this type of discussion. The purpose of this thread was to throw ideas around and get a solid product presentable for feedback/requests. In fact, I already made a post in feedback and it was entirely ignored. I dug through the first five pages and couldn't find it again. If you haven't noticed, feedback is filled with people who's idea of contributing to the thread is saying "I like it" and demanding more info
Well people showing they back it is good, theres nothing you haven't put that doesn't make sense and you have to bump to rise above the sht but fair play.
The devs read it all but don't always answer confirmed by CPM, they have most likely read your thread then, they know who has been around for a good while so im sure they'd have read it.
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Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
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