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f*ck this care bare bull. this is molden heath. not nickelodeon. HTFU, we want comp, not farming sissies. only were allowed to farm in this piece. you gotta problem? well come attack us then. i dare you.

District locking and increasing the number of corps in pc are not related. Those are two separate issues....i dont feel that a lower tiered corp doesnt want to pc because of district locking. They dont want to pc because they feel they may lose the one district overnight that they saved up a month to get.

Your idea sounds similar to the tiered system that was proposed way back. It's cool...but an issue that this has is that it may limit corps to fighting the same corps over and over. Stronger corps should just own one planet and merc out. More of MH would be available to lower tiered corps.....which would then allow for a more active merc game and more battles between those corps.

Hi Ari

You expect feedback in the war room? You realize... there's a feedback section of the forums?

I really care about Dust. Total nerd epeen hard on status. I'm sick of the same things going on in PC over and over again. Whether it's giant alliances farming ISK or corps locking districts. Both are annoying and shameful. Unfortunately that's how Eve has worked for 10+ years. Giant alliances hold sovereignty in nullsec areas from smaller alliances and farm materials (ISK) while smaller alliances/corps sit in low sec locking down their systems. It's the same concept. It's what you get with sandbox games. It's sad and true. This mentality is now in Dust. It'll never stop. As long as giant alliances hold the majority of land those capable of gaining some land will hold on to it by any means necessary. It's much like the real world. Giant alliances of countries hold lots of land and smaller counties and nations defend their land from them by any means necessary. I'd give examples of real world situations EXACTLY like what is going on in PC on Dust but I'm sure it would go far over the heads of the majority of this community.

Go watch boku

I'm really shocked how you go from glitching to win every game for 3 months - to wanting everyone else to stop doing it. What did it take for you to stop glitching in the past? Oh, right, CCP had to do it themselves.

General Discussion is probably a better place for you - that's where the rest of the idiots go.

Pissed? Over the suggestion? Nah, I even suggested you put it where it belongs.

What I find strange is this:




I'm sure you wanted melee glitch to get fixed too - and that's why you spammed it everywhere. So why not let ppl spam lock districts till CCP fixes that too? Isn't that your logic, as well?

KDR is not the good thing for your ranking system. KDR is not relevant, victory is relevant.

Let's do it with the Win / Lose ratio.

Ranking Qualifications- Ranks will be scaled by maximums and not minimums, for the sake of blueberry corps wanting the try their luck at the big time.The KDR requirment is merrily an initial guideline for which corps go where. It in no way defines their true division. Big smile (NOTE: YOU MUST APPLY HERE TO BE LISTED UNDER ANY CATEGORY AT THIS TIME)

Well, in that regard I couldn't agree more. But there won't be any PC action for indie corps if all the mid tier corps have to pick on them to get games themselves. If you hadn't noticed - no one is fighting each other - it's all AE and FA vs everyone else.

The reason we're in this state is because of loss of interest, and it's because of bad game mechanics that allow people to play dirty. Does this ring any bells?

But getting away from the cheap shot: There's no solution to the indie problem that's going to work. The only real solution is open up more systems other then MH so that indies have breathing room.

Tiercide for PC?

Good luck policing that. It's put a strain on corps just dealing with PFC.

I support the idea. It's a good concept and hopefully CCP can look at it and put a thinking cap to categorize this as high priority: district locking that is.

Everyone wants fights in PC, it's why you join PC in the first place. Veteran players don't login daily to pub stomp, they login to either get their ass handed to them or whoop up on someone else.

The only way, as mentioned - for the idea to take off, would be for fixing district locking.

Nyain San just wants Renegade to hold x amount of districts. When it comes to some players in the community though, it's hard to steer people away from ISK. That's the biggest issue PC has is the ISK rewards when you hold land.
- In order to give up a vast amount of land, means your players are being paid less. Personally, I couldn't care about ISK. I am probably one of the brokest CEO's in the game to be honest. But to some players, and AE. is guilty: ISK is what makes Dust 514 fun, and make people whine about proto stomping.

The tiered ranking is still good on paper - however, every corp in MH would have to abide by being allotted a certain amount of land. With current mechanics, you will see corporations spreading into territory outside their division. And by having "A tiered" corps regulating those rules that may be broken, it's asking common enemies to join up and fix it. To some egos, that's another issue to fix. In simpler words, your asking FA and AE. essentially to police these divisions together as a join op. That's hard convincing when we are enemies at heart.

There's a lot of underlying factors that are problematic which can not be 'fixed.' (A few mentioned above.)

At what cost does enemies have to rally up to fix a game we didn't design? Is the community making this game or is CCP? It's supposed to be CCP, but quite frankly it seems to the be community actually calling the shots. Has it's ups and downs, it's a good business idea - "the customer is always right." But economics is a customer based section of the world. Without customers, there would be no economics. In our every day jobs, we see where the saying "The customer is always right" becomes faulty. In which, they are sometimes wrong, more times than not to be fair.

It's a consensus of problems with possible fixations - it's up to CCP to implement.

Again it's the mechanics. PC has to get away from the 24 to 48 hr wait for battles. You should be able to attack and have that battle happen within 30 minutes to an hour. This would eliminate the possibility of small groups of players from controlling huge chunks of land.

It should be a pain in the ass to face AE, but if I've got 80 people online I should be able to put pressure on them. It would be difficult for anyone to dominate even large alliances. You'd have constant battles going on.

Just allow a corp to set a window of 8-12 hours of downtime on their district. It would force corps to use players that aren't on their A teams as well. If you want to see an improvement in gameplay there needs to be a better flow in these attacks.

Take the passive ISK away and increase payouts for attacks, consecutive wins, and multipliers for consecutive successful defenses.

Fixing district locking only guarantees more and more players give up on PC altogether and the continuing flow of ISK to an ever shrinking portion of the player base.

If you take away passive ISK and provide larger payouts for successful attacks and defenses with multipliers for consecutive wins I don't think you'd have any incentive to lock districts. Small corps, no matter how good, couldn't control so much land. You'd see a lot more activity in PC and I think it wouldn't take long for the overall competitiveness to rise.

Excusez-moi!

All this horsedung coming from someone who abused the game mechanics in every possible way... You must really like to to chew on all the horsedung coming out of your mouth right? Whats the secret ? Siracha Sauce?

After abusing the game mechanics for months you try to portray yourself as a the savior of PC just because you are so fatted up on ISK you got nothing better to do?

Creating corps and alts on Dust are like bunnies humping during peak season. There numerous ways to counter the nonsense that just came out of your mouth and the simplest thing to do is create multiple corps or alts.

KD? Seriously? All you need is a single corp with a single dude as a sniper. Get a kill... leave the game... You can statpad your alt to kingdom come.

Stick to glitching Arirana... That's your forte... Dont even try attempting anything that remotely has to do with using your common sense or lack there off.

Excusez-moi!

All this horsedung coming from someone who abused the game mechanics in every possible way... You must really like to to chew on all the horsedung coming out of your mouth right? Whats the secret ? Siracha Sauce?

After abusing the game mechanics for months you try to portray yourself as a the savior of PC just because you are so fatted up on ISK you got nothing better to do?

Creating corps and alts on Dust are like bunnies humping during peak season. There numerous ways to counter the nonsense that just came out of your mouth and the simplest thing to do is create multiple corps or alts.

KD? Seriously? All you need is a single corp with a single dude as a sniper. Get a kill... leave the game... You can statpad your alt to kingdom come.

Stick to glitching Arirana... That's your forte... Dont even try attempting anything that remotely has to do with using your common sense or lack there off.

Im sorry! You mistake me for someone that gives a ding dong didley to what you think or say or do. You are as insignificant now as the melee glitch.

But... since you asked someone has already put in a much better sugestion than you.

It takes someone with common sense to understand that the PC issues can only be sorted out by the strong corps giving up their districts and letting the smaller corps fight it among themselves. The smaller corps dont need any policing untill something goes out of hand. You with you exceptional common or lack there off either fails to see this or doesnt give a ding dong didley. Either way its bad news.

And if you or those numnuts in AE really care why dont you dont some ISK to people or corps that dont have it? If I can have over 500 million ISK after donating to randoms along the way I dont see any reason why you wont be able to do that.

Try to take action rather than force feeding the community with that horsedung you call lollogic.

Hello! Dumdum! Dust 514 is a sandbox game! Google it genius.

It is in the Eve environment which has High, Low and Null Sec. Carebaring takes place in High sec which are your pub matches and FW matches.

PC falls under the low sec category which means no carebaring i.e. no policing.

Your Battle Royale scheme is as flawed as your MHR. Whats to stop a A class corp with a single dude of 3.0 KD to get in ringers to defend a district?

Go back to drawing board son and rethink this. (My bad I shouldnt have used think and Arirana in the same sentence. My apologies for my gramatical errors)

Sureeeee. My ignorance is at the same level of the ignorance of people who think you cannot AFK anymore.

Your alliance is nothing but a bunch of rejects with PBS and glory holes so big you could shove the Washington Monument through it. The only the worthwhile in your alliance is eatsbabies cienfuegos and his bunch of pirates. I have mad respect for that guy. The rest of y'all are scrubs to the nth order.

Ydubbs idea is the best. Period! Your idea on paper is as good as the paper is use to wipe my royal behind when im done taking a dump.

when will people learn that the LEAST amount of work to get the expected result is what will happen, so crackpot off the wall ideas, while many are cool, simply aren't gonna happen before PS5 is released..


remove passive isk, implement a system to increase payouts for actually playing matches, with a mechanic that the match becomes void when less than 12ppl in there.

some huge isk bonus for capturing a district

have to look at it in this regard... attempting to separate areas and divide skill levels etc will only lead to sandbagging, alt corps and people finding ways to work around it.

a universal, as simple as possible fix is the solution,

that and someone remembering to pick up rampage from his ballet class at 3:30.

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try not digging yourself further below ground bud.

PFC is a purely failed concept. It worked for a time, well, got CLOSE to working as intended for a time, and there are moments it works but is far from being something the community has gotten to work.

the action u took was talk crap and openly accept and even promote it, until it was actually fixed.

I do agree though, that the state of PC and its imminent future ARE in the hands of the players. that being said there is little reason to unlock districts when you have 90% of the top talent in this game spread to 3 or 4 groups.

then you have 1/4 of all districts on a time no one aside from TSOL and maybe 1 other corp could ever logically ATTEMPT to take...

bottom line no one is going to give up their isk.

just not gonna happen

Sandbox environments mean that you should have flexibility in doing what the environment lets you do. If it can be done;- do it. In New Eden;- if you can make ISK off it, do it. And we all ove ISK because the cool stuff is expensive. What you are talking about is limiting combat in tiers. Thats not fair at all. What if some tier C corp wants to fight AE just for ***** and giggles? You method would prevent them from doing that. Instead they have to first fight the lower tiers corps, then move to tier b and then to tier A.

Ever heard of the Russian Stealth Bomb squadrons vs Goonswarm? That what sandbox should be like.

If the freedom to fight whoever we want to and whenever we want to! Those silly clocks need to go and alliance corps should be able to defend another alliance corps districts.

But thats a long way away. Till then carebaring is required and Ydubbs idea meets those goals. Reason being the number of people playing dust isnt that great (Please IWS... Dont come up with your BS stats of how the Dust numbers are great).

Its simple;- let the smaller corps duke it out. Once someone gets overconfident and gets balsy enough to do something stupid;- thats when you show them their place.

Anything else?

What you are talking about is limiting combat in tiers. Thats not fair at all. What if some tier C corp wants to fight AE just for ***** and giggles? You method would prevent them from doing that. Instead they have to first fight the lower tiers corps, then move to tier b and then to tier A.

Ranking Qualifications- Ranks will be scaled by maximums and not minimums, for the sake of blueberry corps wanting the try their luck at the big time.The KDR requirment is merrily an initial guideline for which corps go where. It in no way defines their true division. (NOTE: YOU MUST APPLY HERE TO BE LISTED UNDER ANY CATEGORY AT THIS TIME)

A corp cannot attack another corp in a lower division than them under the pretense of flipping their district unless it is warranted MHR Police work. Mutual wars between corps from different divisions may be carried out under the MHR Police's watchful eye.

For starters let me say that in no way am I insulting your alliance. I even made reference about eatsbabies cienfuegos
who I have mad respect for and is in your alliance. I did however derogate your corp i.e. AE and Nyan San can KMA!

I however have a condescending nature. That would explain my so called insult to you and your corp. Its not personal. I did shoot you with a scrambler pistol a few times which was most gratifying.

Anywho back to answering your question;-

1. Player base is too small to have a tiering system
2. By having a tiering system you limit who attacks you or who you get attacked by
3. The payouts are the same in your system despite the risk vs reward motto of Eve
4. PC is the foothold to Null Sec. If and when null sec is implemented Eve corps would want proven track record. Tiering doesnt help prove track record.
5. There will be no distincting between the casual and hardcore. Casual players can just own tier C districts and mint ISK without even doing anything.
6. Its the EZ mode

Ariana,
First off, I appreciate your OP and taking it at face value I think your intent is actually aimed at trying to make Dust a better game. I think youGÇÖve also shown a certain amount of fortitude just by proposing the idea continuing to actively and engage the thread in a logical and patient manner (mostly) even with the somewhat justified hate being thrown at you.

To your concept; what you are essentially proposing is a actually in line with the sandbox feel that most of us want. Effectively you are proposing a self-regulating body for Private Military Corporations (PMCs) aka just plain old merc outfits. There are plenty of historical and recent examples of this in real life. If you want to throw New Eden flavor on it the MHR would be a self-regulating body that naturally developed to protect all merc interests (read profit and safety) in relation to Concord and the Factions.

You are laying out a profit structure that allows for upward mobility and gives smaller corps a shot at PC which, frankly, is needed in the game. Right now there is little incentive for most corps to actually get into PC, big alliances to accept smaller corps, and the ISK divide between the top and bottom just gets bigger. EVE utilizes the high/low/null sec model to provide this framework and if that type of model were overlaid it might make your proposal a bit unnecessary. Until that time I think the MHR construct you are proposing not bad; lots of holes in it but not bad.

Issues/questions:

1) Aside from whole getting all the major powers to essentially sign on to a GÇ£charterGÇ¥ of some sort I think one of the big concerns is how you tier or rank corps. I like the win and youGÇÖre in style for upward mobility but I donGÇÖt think KDR is good answer as a qualifier. I think you would have most corps self-selecting into the 2nd and 3rd bracket just out of practicality. Do you think you need an additional Tier to further separate things? The corp base is pretty small.

2) How would you determine the GÇ£capGÇ¥ on districts/planets being owned by corps? As noted in #1 there would likely be many more corps in 2nd and 3rd tierGǪwhatGÇÖs the acceptable scale by tier? Maybe a Tier 1 corp gets a system, Tier 2 whole planet, and Tier 3 a couple districts?

3) How do you regulate the alliance overlay? If you have a lower tier outfit thatGÇÖs in an alliance with that pulls in varsity players that might skew things. Example, BobGÇÖs Mercs joins CI and every time they PC itGÇÖs 2 or 3 guys from BobGÇÖs Mercs and a squad of FA, an OSG HAV / Dropship squad, and a couple other heavy hitters from other corpsGǪ.are they being tiered or is the Alliance being tiered?

Lastly, I donGÇÖt hold your past glitching against you but I certainly donGÇÖt condone it. You get stung by the fallout of it every time you post or guys see you play and question your skills but that doesnGÇÖt mean you donGÇÖt want to genuinely help the game and by extension player and corps not in the GÇ£upper 10%GÇ¥. Again, I appreciate the conversation you are trying to start with the thread.

Just thoughts from my perspective as veteran player with average skills that would like PC to be relevant to everyone if they want to participate.

Just to add to this idea

Maybe each alliance has Junior varsity team tier b and a c team they can be corps that we adopt.

Then it would be much easier to regulate
We have a limit to how many alliance members can be in a match say 1-4 allowing these lowers tier corps a chance to have fc from their alliance and also that alliance member can witness if either team is using ringers or more than the agreed to 1-4

So lower tier corps get adopted by the larger corps/alliances they keep their identity but have the protection of the larger corp/alliance.


Obviously if our b and c level corps are going at it we let them go. Giving more smaller corps the ability to enjoy PC

This may be easier to regulate because we will be in contact with our b and c level corps watching their development

I should have cleared up the KDR question; I re-read and you did state it. Basically, I was more focused on how to do the intial tiering of Corps beyond the basic lay down. Seems you need to have a bit of subjective scoring involved as a sanity check....I'm ok with that in theory but it needs to be a pretty transparent discussion. My recommendation is to essentially let corps seed themselves in the category of their choosing and things will probably sort themselves out in a week or two by using the "win and in / lose and out" forumula.

I think you are on the right track with the "no cap" deal, however, you probably do need to have some established "by-laws" or charter so to speak so no one calls foul that MHR Police whackec someone out of turn. It's also probably feasible that you'll have a couple B Tier corps that can dominate in that tier but still not match A Tier Corps. Without some up front discussion or rules of the road that could get sticky.

This right here, I don't even agree with pc on a fundamental level and your ideas merely polish that pile of sht arirana but you need this in the feedback section. The war room is the biggest pile of non constructive trash in dust, see any dev tags? They have the decency to at least acknowledge anything they really like, your ideas won't even get noticed here.

I like the corp battles and applying corp ranking to that would be sweet but keep the tournament style antics out of pc, you should know that has no place there.

Pc will truly be fixed when its changed drastically, my ideas have had likes from relevant people and I don't mean players either

And posting in a page of threads containing calling people out, whining about melee glitches , bullying other players and self entitled idiocy isn't the way to go mate, I'd copy and paste this to feedback/requests, despite what you may think, that is the best place to post it trust me.