DUST Search - Making PC More Active....only solution??

CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:

JL3Eleven wrote:

I am against this because it does not follow the "teach them to fish" theory, what will they learn if they are simply handed districts?

Well, there are a lot of smaller corps out there that are plenty capable of hanging in PC against corps of their caliber while the "superpowers" have their wars. The way it is now a corp takes a district and within 24 hrs it is attacked and taken by one of the larger corps and that's it.

Can't learn to play at the supposed "upper level" until being able to fight in PC against like sized corps and like skilled corps and then move up. Pubs is not any good for training and learning cause a bad group of blues can screw up the whole game. If they brought back the old corp battles that would be a help. My corp has PC ready players that can play with any corp our size and compete just fine. Do we have the PC experience and skill that those who control MH do, no, reason? Most of the big corps have hundreds of PC battles of experience and tactics established.

There is nowhere for us middle teir corps to properly train, "PFC is a fkng joke" I know AE is trying to help and has helped us in the past, but, the districts will be taken by other larger corps and added to their money farms so their players can run proto in pubs non stop.

CCP opening up new land will not help "unless" the new land is restricted by the community itself so others can break into PC and have great battles against other similar corps and build their ability to compete with the primary forces in MH. I agree with the OP with everything stated, but unfortunately it will probably fall upon deaf ears and nothing will change and there won't be any new competition.

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TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2246	Posted - 2014.01.20 12:46:00 - [121] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: But limiting the amount of matches players can do would screw smaller corps and favour mega corps. If I'm not getting this then please enlighten me. Limiting the amount of matches per day isn't a good idea, it would be a bad attempt at polishing a turd. awww damm a catgirl just die there no wonder that i never seen one yet Absolutely pathetic, you may as well have just posted 'yeah it is sht, what was I thinking' So can you explain how limiting players would work or am I right? Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2246	Posted - 2014.01.20 13:29:00 - [122] - Quote Or was that oxymoron meme link your admittance that it is a rubbish idea? Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Bear D'Grassi Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 38	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:03:00 - [123] - Quote Why, as mercs, are we holding real estate anyway? Get rid of the ability to "own" a district. But, we need an income and not just pubs. Get EVE corps involved, expand PC out of MH and have it affect PI infrastructure denying EVE corp's income. Our ISK then comes from them paying us to do what we do. Hold their districts on planets or attack other districts to enable them to install PI infrastructure. This of course requires a major reworking of both items, PC and PI. But I believe that PC needs to change dramatically anyway, it needs to be something other than an upscale skirmish match. Make it something entirely unique and worthy of being the pinnacle form of combat in the game. Give it even more room for strategic and tactical play than it has at present. A nice idea perhaps, doubtfull it could be implemented within the next CPM term or two though. However if we don't ask we don't get.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2096	Posted - 2014.01.20 14:31:00 - [124] - Quote 1 planet per corp would achieve nothing. The only thing you would achieve is that multiple holder corps will be created to get more planets under their controll. it would be more effort to do this but the result is the same. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2247	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:51:00 - [125] - Quote Bear D'Grassi wrote: Why, as mercs, are we holding real estate anyway? Get rid of the ability to "own" a district. But, we need an income and not just pubs. Get EVE corps involved, expand PC out of MH and have it affect PI infrastructure denying EVE corp's income. Our ISK then comes from them paying us to do what we do. Hold their districts on planets or attack other districts to enable them to install PI infrastructure. This of course requires a major reworking of both items, PC and PI. But I believe that PC needs to change dramatically anyway, it needs to be something other than an upscale skirmish match. Make it something entirely unique and worthy of being the pinnacle form of combat in the game. Give it even more room for strategic and tactical play than it has at present. A nice idea perhaps, doubtfull it could be implemented within the next CPM term or two though. However if we don't ask we don't get. Iv tried pushing that for ages, I'm sad to say that from all the responses that its not going to happen. It will always be stupid. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2247	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:01:00 - [126] - Quote Iv even said how we could!d gain standings with eve corps, these could be multipliers for interest on the contracts payout and higher standings would determine what equipment level you can use from their corp hangar, they'd obviously have to manufacture items and it'd be optional and fighting against a corp that you have good standings for wouldn't ruin said standings. We are mercs. I also stated how if you wanted to play empire you could apply to join an eve corp you have Max standings with, you'd give up merc status and become a soldier, you'd then benefit from x corps pi but be unable to accept contracts as you'd no longer be a merc. We could then begin to take sovereignty involvement of dust mercs seriously. We could then open up more systems without a worry. Anyway that's what I have in mind but people much prefer the stagnant bullsht we have now and seen as this is in the war room its wasted anyway, this whole thread is void. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2247	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:07:00 - [127] - Quote You could also operate as pirates when you are a merc, you'd attack a district, if taken then all production of any kind would hault, you can then set an amount of ransom for the district or sell it on. Avass ye swine All of this would give people CHOICE, something a lot of you l33t scrubs don't seem to know nothing about. You could play pc on whatever level you want. Merc, soldier or pirate. Console only scrubbers think pc is fine though and just needs tweaking, game will always be sht, gg ccp. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2247	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:09:00 - [128] - Quote Now compare that in your mind to now, see how ridiculously stupid and childish what we have now is in comparison? Magic timers and mercs holding land generating isk that's worthless because of how fundamentally sht pc is itself. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2247	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:14:00 - [129] - Quote This wouldn't be a problem either, it'd be implemented For eve side, all that would change for us are our options. And being transported. Bare in mind that when your being transported its not you per se, its the clones, our consciousness would simply be uploaded at every death so this also makes sense how you'd be able to do fw and pubs in the mean time. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2247	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:16:00 - [130] - Quote And if someone wants to literally copy and push my idea then feel free, iv given up, my motive was to show how short sighted most ideas of pc are, stop trying to polish your precious turd. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2247	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:26:00 - [131] - Quote And for those of you who think 'where'd I get that from' let me enlighten you console nubs. On pc (personnel computer) all of this has been done before in one fashion or another in many games, the only thing unique about dust is its link to eve and the particular fictional galaxy it exists in. PCs have had the same or better spec than the ps4 for about 5 years now. Nubs. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2248	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:34:00 - [132] - Quote And that's also another reason why so many people quit the game often, when they see how pc actually works, its is laughable seriously and the worst kind of world domination type play I have ever experienced. Let be realistic here guys, risk did it better on the board game Hahahaha. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2248	Posted - 2014.01.20 17:40:00 - [133] - Quote Now the question really is, shall we make pc epic and push for it together OR keep moaning about district locks, ringers, timers etc etc Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2248	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:21:00 - [134] - Quote This is seriously an all time low, considering limiting players amount of battles per day, the warning light of shttness is flashing guys and girls. For anyone who is responding to the op, scroll up to see a radical yet amazing way to change pc for the better. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2248	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:36:00 - [135] - Quote And you could easily still do the whole minerals thing, mercs could acquire it as rewards to sell to eve pilots If they win or you could plunder it as a pirate and it'd naturally be there anyway, the eve pilots would simply get it as part of the motive for bothering with pc in the first place if/when we have acquired a district for them. My idea firmly brings both games together. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Omareth Nasadra The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 263	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:41:00 - [136] - Quote having fun talking to yourself? Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2248	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:00:00 - [137] - Quote Omareth Nasadra wrote: having fun talking to yourself? Silence speaks volumes, the views speak for themselves Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 247	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:16:00 - [138] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Omareth Nasadra wrote: having fun talking to yourself? Silence speaks volumes, the views speak for themselves Honestly its a moot point unless the "big dogs" agree to it. As Kujo and Arirana said they won't be doing anything until district locking is fixed, which will probably never happen. Not to mention they said they would campaign to take 100% of Molden Heath if that was the case anyways. Doesn't sound very helpful to the livelihood of PC.
Dachande Anasazi Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 128	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:25:00 - [139] - Quote We can do what FoM (Face of Mankind did) but it'll require free roaming. Pretty much players go into a planet and hack objectives. THe owners need to counter hack it. This effects the timer for the Final battle to take place. Trick is to hack targets in a timezone that works for you the owners counter hack to make it a good time for their timezone OR sometimes owners let the hacks go and do not counter hack because the timer will be in their time zone etc.) Then final battle takes place...u win it, you own the district.
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2250	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:35:00 - [140] - Quote m twiggz wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Omareth Nasadra wrote: having fun talking to yourself? Silence speaks volumes, the views speak for themselves Honestly its a moot point unless the "big dogs" agree to it. As Kujo and Arirana said they won't be doing anything until district locking is fixed, which will probably never happen. Not to mention they said they would campaign to take 100% of Molden Heath if that was the case anyways. Doesn't sound very helpful to the livelihood of PC. The whole thread is moot for being in the war room lol. And that relevancy bullsht is self entitled idiocy, when it comes to shaping the game, everyone is relevant, people have to accept that. Just because someone may have low enough standards than most to put up with a game mode longer than most does not make them more relevant. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic

TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2259	Posted - 2014.01.20 20:43:00 - [141] - Quote My idea isn't absolute either obviously, innovations or whatever are just as valid but we need to change the fundamentals of pc itself and stop with trying to put a plaster (band aid) on a gaping infected hole. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
LionTurtle91 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 28	Posted - 2014.01.21 10:32:00 - [142] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: LionTurtle91 wrote: I remember mentioning that awhile ago, or maybe being stationed on a planet and it takes time to transfer to another depending on the distance. I dont see how this will get more people to play pc, but i like this idea. It's one thing that I do like about eve.....that it takes real time to get to places instead of a teleportation sort of thing. Although, guys will just sign on earlier to get there. Yeah it they made it so that it would be hard to own more than a planet it'd be nice. It would require more strategy on where you station your players. Of course, there's always the issue of our community and all the skilled players flocking to one corp and killing the competition of the game. Which is something that would probably happen if they implemented that, or increasing numbers to 24 v 24 or higher. The community is as much of a problem as the game mechanics imo. =ƒæë=ƒæî
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2308	Posted - 2014.01.21 15:27:00 - [143] - Quote Bear D'Grassi wrote: Why, as mercs, are we holding real estate anyway? Get rid of the ability to "own" a district. But, we need an income and not just pubs. Get EVE corps involved, expand PC out of MH and have it affect PI infrastructure denying EVE corp's income. Our ISK then comes from them paying us to do what we do. Hold their districts on planets or attack other districts to enable them to install PI infrastructure. This of course requires a major reworking of both items, PC and PI. But I believe that PC needs to change dramatically anyway, it needs to be something other than an upscale skirmish match. Make it something entirely unique and worthy of being the pinnacle form of combat in the game. Give it even more room for strategic and tactical play than it has at present. A nice idea perhaps, doubtfull it could be implemented within the next CPM term or two though. However if we don't ask we don't get. This is how I thought dust was going to be. And it will get more eve corps involved since it will affect them. weRideNDie2getha since 2010
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2263	Posted - 2014.01.21 16:56:00 - [144] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bear D'Grassi wrote: Why, as mercs, are we holding real estate anyway? Get rid of the ability to "own" a district. But, we need an income and not just pubs. Get EVE corps involved, expand PC out of MH and have it affect PI infrastructure denying EVE corp's income. Our ISK then comes from them paying us to do what we do. Hold their districts on planets or attack other districts to enable them to install PI infrastructure. This of course requires a major reworking of both items, PC and PI. But I believe that PC needs to change dramatically anyway, it needs to be something other than an upscale skirmish match. Make it something entirely unique and worthy of being the pinnacle form of combat in the game. Give it even more room for strategic and tactical play than it has at present. A nice idea perhaps, doubtfull it could be implemented within the next CPM term or two though. However if we don't ask we don't get. This is how I thought dust was going to be. And it will get more eve corps involved since it will affect them. Yes, I thought you was going to spout some kind of crap about how this is a bad idea like a lot of vets do. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 558	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:15:00 - [145] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: I am against this because it does not follow the "teach them to fish" theory, what will they learn if they are simply handed districts? Well, there are a lot of smaller corps out there that are plenty capable of hanging in PC against corps of their caliber while the "superpowers" have their wars. The way it is now a corp takes a district and within 24 hrs it is attacked and taken by one of the larger corps and that's it. Can't learn to play at the supposed "upper level" until being able to fight in PC against like sized corps and like skilled corps and then move up. Pubs is not any good for training and learning cause a bad group of blues can screw up the whole game. If they brought back the old corp battles that would be a help. My corp has PC ready players that can play with any corp our size and compete just fine. Do we have the PC experience and skill that those who control MH do, no, reason? Most of the big corps have hundreds of PC battles of experience and tactics established. There is nowhere for us middle teir corps to properly train, "PFC is a fkng joke" I know AE is trying to help and has helped us in the past, but, the districts will be taken by other larger corps and added to their money farms so their players can run proto in pubs non stop. CCP opening up new land will not help "unless" the new land is restricted by the community itself so others can break into PC and have great battles against other similar corps and build their ability to compete with the primary forces in MH. I agree with the OP with everything stated, but unfortunately it will probably fall upon deaf ears and nothing will change and there won't be any new competition. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2038	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:16:00 - [146] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: I am against this because it does not follow the "teach them to fish" theory, what will they learn if they are simply handed districts? Well, there are a lot of smaller corps out there that are plenty capable of hanging in PC against corps of their caliber while the "superpowers" have their wars. The way it is now a corp takes a district and within 24 hrs it is attacked and taken by one of the larger corps and that's it. Can't learn to play at the supposed "upper level" until being able to fight in PC against like sized corps and like skilled corps and then move up. Pubs is not any good for training and learning cause a bad group of blues can screw up the whole game. If they brought back the old corp battles that would be a help. My corp has PC ready players that can play with any corp our size and compete just fine. Do we have the PC experience and skill that those who control MH do, no, reason? Most of the big corps have hundreds of PC battles of experience and tactics established. There is nowhere for us middle teir corps to properly train, "PFC is a fkng joke" I know AE is trying to help and has helped us in the past, but, the districts will be taken by other larger corps and added to their money farms so their players can run proto in pubs non stop. CCP opening up new land will not help "unless" the new land is restricted by the community itself so others can break into PC and have great battles against other similar corps and build their ability to compete with the primary forces in MH. I agree with the OP with everything stated, but unfortunately it will probably fall upon deaf ears and nothing will change and there won't be any new competition. Corp battles... corp battles corp battles... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2264	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:21:00 - [147] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: I am against this because it does not follow the "teach them to fish" theory, what will they learn if they are simply handed districts? Well, there are a lot of smaller corps out there that are plenty capable of hanging in PC against corps of their caliber while the "superpowers" have their wars. The way it is now a corp takes a district and within 24 hrs it is attacked and taken by one of the larger corps and that's it. Can't learn to play at the supposed "upper level" until being able to fight in PC against like sized corps and like skilled corps and then move up. Pubs is not any good for training and learning cause a bad group of blues can screw up the whole game. If they brought back the old corp battles that would be a help. My corp has PC ready players that can play with any corp our size and compete just fine. Do we have the PC experience and skill that those who control MH do, no, reason? Most of the big corps have hundreds of PC battles of experience and tactics established. There is nowhere for us middle teir corps to properly train, "PFC is a fkng joke" I know AE is trying to help and has helped us in the past, but, the districts will be taken by other larger corps and added to their money farms so their players can run proto in pubs non stop. CCP opening up new land will not help "unless" the new land is restricted by the community itself so others can break into PC and have great battles against other similar corps and build their ability to compete with the primary forces in MH. I agree with the OP with everything stated, but unfortunately it will probably fall upon deaf ears and nothing will change and there won't be any new competition. If you go a bit further up the thread, iv stated how it could easily work, it'd radically change pc but for the better, iv been whining about it for months. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2264	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:21:00 - [148] - Quote Page 7 Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 561	Posted - 2014.01.21 17:40:00 - [149] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Page 7 Ah, got it mate! CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2540	Posted - 2014.01.21 19:52:00 - [150] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Bear D'Grassi wrote: Why, as mercs, are we holding real estate anyway? Get rid of the ability to "own" a district. But, we need an income and not just pubs. Get EVE corps involved, expand PC out of MH and have it affect PI infrastructure denying EVE corp's income. Our ISK then comes from them paying us to do what we do. Hold their districts on planets or attack other districts to enable them to install PI infrastructure. This of course requires a major reworking of both items, PC and PI. But I believe that PC needs to change dramatically anyway, it needs to be something other than an upscale skirmish match. Make it something entirely unique and worthy of being the pinnacle form of combat in the game. Give it even more room for strategic and tactical play than it has at present. A nice idea perhaps, doubtfull it could be implemented within the next CPM term or two though. However if we don't ask we don't get. This is how I thought dust was going to be. And it will get more eve corps involved since it will affect them. Yes, I thought you was going to spout some kind of crap about how this is a bad idea like a lot of vets do. My first Eve character went into PI because I was sure that the districts we held would be tied to PI somehow. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott



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