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Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4430	Posted - 2014.01.13 16:21:00 - [1] - Quote The Minmatar Scout racial is the only Scout racial that has a combat orientated bonus. Assuming the Caldari and Amarr Bonuses remain the same. Scouts and combat dont mix, the Minmatar Scout should get a more 'Scoutly' bonus, say a bonus to hack speed, or a bonus to the effectiveness of Biotics. On top of this, we're also losing a Sidearm, which, in my opinion is a good trade-off considering we get an extra EQ slot. Meaning if we do decide to knife, we'll be stuck with one weapon that is really limited when it comes to combat. The Nova Knife bonus should be reserved for a more aggresive light frame class in the future, or could even become the Basic Frame bonus for Minmatar. But please dont forget about the Minmatar Scout, if these changes go ahead without a change to the Min Scout bonus, than the Min Scout will become the worst Scout suit in the game, and possibly the worst suit all together. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3998	Posted - 2014.01.13 16:24:00 - [2] - Quote Knight I like you, but go away. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4430	Posted - 2014.01.13 16:29:00 - [3] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Knight I like you, but go away. Why? Why should I be locked down to one specific playstyle like Nova Knifing, Knives are a very niche weapon, and do not appeal to everybody. Right now I feel as if I'm being forced to equip a pair of Knives so I can get full use out of my bonuses, which isn't a problem, because I can equip Knives and a decent ranged weapon to make up for the fact that I have to be in humping distance to get a kill. Scouts with a Shotgun and SMG are laughable as is, could you imagine a Scout with just Knives? And what +10-20 Extra melee damage? Minmatar Scout will be useless if this bonus remains. Nova Knives should recieve a 25% Damage Buff, and the Bonus for the Min Scout should be replaced, everyone is a winner. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 1189	Posted - 2014.01.13 16:32:00 - [4] - Quote that might work. if the knives get a 25% buff, then it'll be like we still have the knifing bonus. then a possible bonus for min scout would be bonus to running/movement speed. Anime > EVERYTHING
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 714	Posted - 2014.01.13 16:36:00 - [5] - Quote Silent assassins "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4000	Posted - 2014.01.13 16:39:00 - [6] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Knight I like you, but go away. Why? Why should I be locked down to one specific playstyle like Nova Knifing, Knives are a very niche weapon, and do not appeal to everybody. Right now I feel as if I'm being forced to equip a pair of Knives so I can get full use out of my bonuses, which isn't a problem, because I can equip Knives and a decent ranged weapon to make up for the fact that I have to be in humping distance to get a kill. Scouts with a Shotgun and SMG are laughable as is, could you imagine a Scout with just Knives? And what +10-20 Extra melee damage? Minmatar Scout will be useless if this bonus remains. Nova Knives should recieve a 25% Damage Buff, and the Bonus for the Min Scout should be replaced, everyone is a winner. Matatri scout will be keeping it's weapon slots I hear, so you can keep your light weapon yes? And just because some choose not to use a bonus isn't ground to have it removed, there are those who love their NK bonus myself included, you knew what you were signing up for when you donned the gear so if the bonus isn't to your liking there's not much else to say. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 627	Posted - 2014.01.13 16:40:00 - [7] - Quote Voil+á Live long and prosper. In your blind spot
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4432	Posted - 2014.01.13 16:43:00 - [8] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Matatri scout will be keeping it's weapon slots I hear, so you can keep your light weapon yes? And just because some choose not to use a bonus isn't ground to have it removed, there are those who love their NK bonus myself included, you knew what you were signing up for when you donned the gear so if the bonus isn't to your liking there's not much else to say. If thats true about the weapon slots then its an entirely different story. I also knew when speccing into the Minmatar Scout that I could equip Knives, and a decent ranged weapon for more troublesome targets. But of course, in classic CCP fashion, they expect me to predict the future. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 266	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:38:00 - [9] - Quote Please leave my bonus alone.
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:42:00 - [10] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Please leave my bonus alone. If the Knives recieve a 25% buff there shouldn't be a problem with it. The bonus is ridiculous. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)

Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1898	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:46:00 - [11] - Quote Hacking Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4922	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:48:00 - [12] - Quote I definitely agree that scouts should not be combat oriented at all, but purely stealth and intel oriented. In exchange, CCP can then release a new specialization from the light frame called "Assassin" which is a light frame more focused purely on combat. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2782	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:51:00 - [13] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I definitely agree that scouts should not be combat oriented at all, but purely stealth and intel oriented. In exchange, CCP can then release a new specialization from the light frame called "Assassin" which is a light frame more focused purely on combat. Nope. Don't need another SP sink for another crap suit. Scouts kill people. Scouts will continue to kill people. Scouts should be good at killing people within their niche. The day scouts shouldn't have a combat role is the day that all logi's should have to equip a rep tool and NO weapons. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2563	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:53:00 - [14] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: On top of this, we're also losing a Sidearm, which, in my opinion is a good trade-off considering we get an extra EQ slot. Meaning if we do decide to knife, we'll be stuck with one weapon that is really limited when it comes to combat. The same thread where Remnant says this he then says... except Minmatar. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 266	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:55:00 - [15] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: mr musturd wrote: Please leave my bonus alone. If the Knives recieve a 25% buff there shouldn't be a problem with it. The bonus is ridiculous. If knives received a 25% buff any suit could out knife the minny hello speed tanked logi with knives, you knew the bonus when you spec'd into it my friend, I suggest you grab a pair of knives
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:56:00 - [16] - Quote We Scouts have always nagged on about how useless we are in competitive gamemodes, what is more useful to your team in PC? A Hacking Bonus (Like the on the Logi mk.0 got, for all who dont know, it allowed the Logi to hack at a speed of 5s through just passives, compared to a base of 10s) or 25% Extra Damage to Nova Knives. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 266	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:58:00 - [17] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: We Scouts have always nagged on about how useless we are in competitive gamemodes, what is more useful to your team in PC? A Hacking Bonus (Like the on the Logi mk.0 got, for all who dont know, it allowed the Logi to hack at a speed of 5s through just passives, compared to a base of 10s) or 25% Extra Damage to Nova Knives. I do just fine with my knives in PC
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:59:00 - [18] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: mr musturd wrote: Please leave my bonus alone. If the Knives recieve a 25% buff there shouldn't be a problem with it. The bonus is ridiculous. If knives received a 25% buff any suit could out knife the minny hello speed tanked logi with knives, you knew the bonus when you spec'd into it my friend, I suggest you grab a pair of knives Thats a ** poor excuse for having a bonus. The bonus is **, and will be even more terrible with the Sidearm removal, I specced into Minmatar Scout because of their base speed, and Shield Tanking. Any Logi can pick up a pair of Knives and use it because all it requires is 2x Comp Damage Mods to get a comparable bonus to the Scout. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2563	Posted - 2014.01.13 17:59:00 - [19] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I definitely agree that scouts should not be combat oriented at all, but purely stealth and intel oriented. In exchange, CCP can then release a new specialization from the light frame called "Assassin" which is a light frame more focused purely on combat. Nope. Don't need another SP sink for another crap suit. Scouts kill people. Scouts will continue to kill people. Scouts should be good at killing people within their niche. The day scouts shouldn't have a combat role is the day that all logi's should have to equip a rep tool and NO weapons. They could release variants that use the same model and the same skill but has a different layout and tweaked stats. We have a Combat Rifle and an Assault Combat Rifle that use the same skills with the variant generally being a weaker copy of another race's primary role. Why not have a primary Scout and an alternate for each race? (Extend this to the other suits as appropriate.) The primary role of the Minmatar Scout has always been Assassin. The secondary role could be Recon/Pathfinder/Whatever and loses the sidearm slot for the equipment and maybe some weak attempt with some scanning bonus. The primary role of the Caldari Scout is shaping up to be electronic warfare but they could have a variant that gains a sidearm and loses an equipment to be the weak attempt at a Caldari Assassin. Of course, they would focus on long range combat being the cowards that they are and would get some form of bonus to Sniper Rifles. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1204	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:00:00 - [20] - Quote mr musturd wrote: If knives received a 25% buff any suit could out knife the minny hello speed tanked logi with knives, you knew the bonus when you spec'd into it my friend, I suggest you grab a pair of knives Aren't knifers always talking about how effective a counter back pedaling is to knifing? A logi knifer is going to have it much, much worse than the min scout (as long as charging while sprinting isn't added). Edit: Anyways, release the T3 assassin class. Problem solved. Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist \| C-Chaos Weaver \| G-Stealth Recon \| A-Endurance Hunter

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 786	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:01:00 - [21] - Quote relax and put away your crystal ball. we have no idea what everything will look like after a complete overhaul so stop panicing and quietly contemplate the near infinate things that could be changed.
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:03:00 - [22] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: We Scouts have always nagged on about how useless we are in competitive gamemodes, what is more useful to your team in PC? A Hacking Bonus (Like the on the Logi mk.0 got, for all who dont know, it allowed the Logi to hack at a speed of 5s through just passives, compared to a base of 10s) or 25% Extra Damage to Nova Knives. I do just fine with my knives in PC But that doesn't make you anymore useful than the Logi who gets a comparable score with his AR. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4925	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:03:00 - [23] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: relax and put away your crystal ball. we have no idea what everything will look like after a complete overhaul so stop panicing and quietly contemplate the near infinate things that could be changed. We have no idea what everything will look like? I'd say we have a pretty darn good idea. Doesn't mean that that will necessarily be how they look when they launch, but it is still enough information to provide feedback on. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 267	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:05:00 - [24] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: mr musturd wrote: If knives received a 25% buff any suit could out knife the minny hello speed tanked logi with knives, you knew the bonus when you spec'd into it my friend, I suggest you grab a pair of knives Aren't knifers always talking about how effective a counter back pedaling is to knifing? A logi knifer is going to have it much, much worse than the min scout (as long as charging while sprinting isn't added). Edit: Anyways, release the T3 assassin class. Problem solved. Like I've said many times if your trying to knife an aware enemy your doing it wrong, good knifers don't really have a problem with the back pedalling knifers like Moody and I use the knife as a situational weapon and don't run head on trying to kill a guy with a effing knife
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:05:00 - [25] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: relax and put away your crystal ball. Please stop saying this, last time CCP said this the proposed changes that everyone was complaining about actually made their way into the update. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4925	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:06:00 - [26] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: I definitely agree that scouts should not be combat oriented at all, but purely stealth and intel oriented. In exchange, CCP can then release a new specialization from the light frame called "Assassin" which is a light frame more focused purely on combat. Nope. Don't need another SP sink for another crap suit. Scouts kill people. Scouts will continue to kill people. Scouts should be good at killing people within their niche. The day scouts shouldn't have a combat role is the day that all logi's should have to equip a rep tool and NO weapons. Do scouts really kill people, though? I think a lot of this has to do with many games inaccurately using the term "scout" to describe anything that is small and fast. For instance, Team Fortress 2's "scout" is nothing at all like a scout. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:07:00 - [27] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: mr musturd wrote: If knives received a 25% buff any suit could out knife the minny hello speed tanked logi with knives, you knew the bonus when you spec'd into it my friend, I suggest you grab a pair of knives Aren't knifers always talking about how effective a counter back pedaling is to knifing? A logi knifer is going to have it much, much worse than the min scout (as long as charging while sprinting isn't added). Edit: Anyways, release the T3 assassin class. Problem solved. Like I've said many times if your trying to knife an aware enemy your doing it wrong, good knifers don't really have a problem with the back pedalling knifers like Moody and I use the knife as a situational weapon and don't run head on trying to kill a guy with a effing knife And this is where Logis will fail. Why? Because of their Suit Profile, an enemy will always be aware of their position, and if they sacrifice biotics to fill their Lows with Complex Dampeners they're not nearly as fast as a Minmatar Scout. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 267	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:07:00 - [28] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: mr musturd wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: We Scouts have always nagged on about how useless we are in competitive gamemodes, what is more useful to your team in PC? A Hacking Bonus (Like the on the Logi mk.0 got, for all who dont know, it allowed the Logi to hack at a speed of 5s through just passives, compared to a base of 10s) or 25% Extra Damage to Nova Knives. I do just fine with my knives in PC But that doesn't make you anymore useful than the Logi who gets a comparable score with his AR. The thing is I out kill the logi with the Ar and the assault guys in Pc while stopping hacks in one swing of my knives
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F 4435	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:09:00 - [29] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: mr musturd wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: We Scouts have always nagged on about how useless we are in competitive gamemodes, what is more useful to your team in PC? A Hacking Bonus (Like the on the Logi mk.0 got, for all who dont know, it allowed the Logi to hack at a speed of 5s through just passives, compared to a base of 10s) or 25% Extra Damage to Nova Knives. I do just fine with my knives in PC But that doesn't make you anymore useful than the Logi who gets a comparable score with his AR. The thing is I out kill the logi with the Ar and the assault guys in Pc while stopping hacks in one swing of my knives If enemies are always unaware of your position like you said you shouldn't have a problem half charging or full charging to achieve the damage that you would usually do with one quick swipe with the 25%. Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 268	Posted - 2014.01.13 18:09:00 - [30] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: mr musturd wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: mr musturd wrote: If knives received a 25% buff any suit could out knife the minny hello speed tanked logi with knives, you knew the bonus when you spec'd into it my friend, I suggest you grab a pair of knives Aren't knifers always talking about how effective a counter back pedaling is to knifing? A logi knifer is going to have it much, much worse than the min scout (as long as charging while sprinting isn't added). Edit: Anyways, release the T3 assassin class. Problem solved. Like I've said many times if your trying to knife an aware enemy your doing it wrong, good knifers don't really have a problem with the back pedalling knifers like Moody and I use the knife as a situational weapon and don't run head on trying to kill a guy with a effing knife And this is where Logis will fail. Why? Because of their Suit Profile, an enemy will always be aware of their position, and if they sacrifice biotics to fill their Lows with Complex Dampeners they're not nearly as fast as a Minmatar Scout. Its not that hard to damp an assault or logi suit and keep your speed.



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